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Channel log from 12 July 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:54 | <Ahmuck_> chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 aptitude install package_name
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| 00:54 | ltsp-update-image
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| 00:54 | k, i've done this
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| 00:55 | and LOCAL_APPS_MENU=true in lts.conf
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| 00:55 | create /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 00:55 | this as well
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| 00:55 | however i don't see the apps on the thin client menu, nor are they on the server menu
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| 01:01 | <cyberorg> Ahmuck, here is how we install localapps http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Localapps
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| 01:02 | Ahmuck, with http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Localapps application icon in the menu launches localapp and not the one on the server
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| 01:02 | *with LOCAL_APPS_MENU=true in lts.conf
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| 01:07 | <Ahmuck_> ltsp-update-image should be run at the very last, even after the lts.conf
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| 01:07 | cyberorg: thx for the info and links. i've considered suse ltsp (kiwi) for a number of reasons
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| 01:08 | problem is, when i tried to install it via virtualbox, it failed on the install, so i did not look at it again
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| 01:08 | <cyberorg> Ahmuck, it does not matter as lts.conf is fetched over tftp
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| 01:08 | <Ahmuck_> i'll re-consider it
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| 01:09 | <cyberorg> Ahmuck, next time you try use li-f-e DVD, it has ltsp pre-installed/configured
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| 01:09 | <Ahmuck_> well, the /opt/ltsp/i386/eetc/lts.conf file suggest that one needs to ltsp-update-image after anything changes in the lts.conf
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| 01:09 | * Ahmuck_ goes to search for life DVD | |
| 01:09 | <cyberorg> do not change that file, do the one in tftpboot folder
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| 01:10 | http://en.opensuse.org/Education/Live
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| 01:12 | <Ahmuck_> what is on the edu dvd ?
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| 01:12 | i noticed a sugar cd as well
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| 01:14 | <cyberorg> edu-desktop dvd li-f-e without LTSP, LAMP, sugar etc, li-f-e is all in one distro :)
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| 01:14 | <Ahmuck_> let me rephrase the question. is the edu cd/dvd the same as all the other distros?
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| 01:15 | k, there is edu, then ltsp unstable, and sugar
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| 01:15 | <cyberorg> ltsp one just hast ltsp, nothing extra, same with sugar, it comes with sugar only
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| 01:16 | * cyberorg thought the names/sizes were obvious enough :) | |
| 01:17 | <Ahmuck_> it's 1:30 am
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| 01:17 | nothing's obvious at this hour :(
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| 01:17 | <cyberorg> ah, that explains :D
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| 01:18 | <Ahmuck_> so, there is a dvd that has all three?
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| 01:18 | ah, edu-deskto
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| 01:18 | er, desktop
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| 01:18 | all in one ?
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| 01:18 | <cyberorg> i think you are also done configuring localapps, it should just work in the morning, just change lts.conf in the tftpboot folder
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| 01:19 | "li-f-e is all in one distro"
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| 01:19 | <Ahmuck_> well, i thought i was too, but i booted the thin client, and no menu change
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| 01:19 | i'll try again
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| 01:19 | <cyberorg> when you download, the image that is biggest has everything in it ;)
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| 01:22 | <Ahmuck_> k, i suppose i'll report as a bug, the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf doc suggests looking in /usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/lts-parameters.txt.gz for valid options, however, there is no /usr/share/doc/ltsp-client folder
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| 01:27 | <Ahmuck_> i'll be reporting as well, volume control playback is using the server card for playback rather than the client card. i would have expected ltsp server to detect the client card (as it appears to) and pass the sound to the client sound card. is this the SDL issue perhaps? the ltsp server is trying to send the sound through the network rather than using the clients sound card?
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| 01:29 | <Ahmuck_> cyberorg: in suse, the apps are not on the same menu, but on a separate menu where you click a local apps button?
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| 01:29 | "pass the sound function to the client sound card"
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| 01:29 | <cyberorg> Ahmuck, i think they are on same menu on all distros
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| 01:30 | <Ahmuck_> so, the application menu should have the "localapps" under applications --> graphics --> blender, etc?
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| 01:30 | assuming ur using gnome
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| 01:31 | <cyberorg> no, if firefox is installed as localapps, clicking on firefox in the main-menu will launch local firefox
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| 01:31 | if you have LOCAL_APPS_MENU=true in lts.conf, without that it will start firefox on the server
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| 01:33 | <Ahmuck_> hrm, i have that, however, i did "chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 aptitude install package_name" and installed the package, but it does not show up on the menu on the server or the client
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| 01:33 | i watched it install
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| 01:36 | <Ahmuck_> odd, the programs are there ... /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/games/ri-li
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| 01:39 | <Ahmuck_> hrm, i'm way to tired now. i'm going home ... i get the impression that local apps is broke on ubuntu
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| 01:39 | i can see the programs there, but nothing works, even from the command line
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| 01:40 | <cyberorg> then use "ltsp-localapps appsname" to launch it
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| 01:56 | <Ahmuck_> um, that worked
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| 01:56 | so now i'm confused
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| 01:56 | why is the server still serving up the "server" menu rather than the localapps menu
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| 02:13 | how odd. launching firefox does from server and i get out on the inet. launching as a localapp, and it's dead to the world
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| 13:54 | <GGD> is the fedora guru here?
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| 15:47 | <GGD> is the fedora guru here?
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| 15:47 | i have a question for him
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| 15:52 | * vagrantc doesn't see warren | |
| 15:53 | <GGD> has he been here?
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| 15:54 | <Ryan52> !seen warren
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| 15:54 | <ltspbot> Ryan52: warren was last seen in #ltsp 1 week, 3 days, 23 hours, 19 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <warren> g
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| 15:54 | <Ryan52> GGD: ^----
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| 15:56 | <GGD> oh ok
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| 15:56 | i didn't know
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| 15:56 | thanks
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| 16:02 | <Ryan52> tho he's around and talking in another channel...not that I'm suggesting you bother him. :)
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| 16:51 | <jimi_> Is it possible to have a wifi thin client?
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| 16:57 | <klausade> jimi_: no. bandwidth to bad and no wifi cards doing pxe. but you can "cheat" it by having a small local install that does wifi, and use simple xdmp or FreeNX, or vnc to connect to the server.
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| 16:58 | <jimi_> I figured there wasnt any. Was just hoping to convert a few of these 2-3 year old machines that are wifi
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| 16:59 | <klausade> jimi_: if they have a harddrive, then just install your favourite OS, and use some client to connect.
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| 17:00 | <jimi_> klausade, hmm , i could do that, then i really dont need a terminal server running if i use xdmp
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| 17:08 | <klausade> jimi_: you don't need a boot-server, you just need a server to log into.
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| 17:09 | <jimi_> klausade, yeah , thats what imeant
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| 17:12 | <klausade> jimi_: you could probably use thinstation. i used that sevaral years ago when I need 30 laptops to become wireless thinclients. we put support for wpa into thinstation, which we needed and thinstation didn̈́'t have at that time. that setup is still working today.
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| 17:13 | <jimi_> haven't used thinstation before, is that the one that runs on java?
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| 17:15 | <klausade> jimi_: no. have a look at http://www.thinstation.org/
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| 17:16 | <jimi_> hmm
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| 17:16 | brb
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| 17:43 | <jimi_> klausade, back, so thinstation is a linux os, can you run it as is without connecting to a windows / linux server?
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| 18:00 | <klausade> jimi_: yes, it's a very very small linux os. it doesn't do much on it's own. mostly meant to just get some kind of client running, like rdesktop, ssh, freenx, ica, xdmp.
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| 18:00 | <jimi_> ah ok, n/m
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| 18:00 | I will run thinstation in a VM then, and just pass it through to an already running/ installed / configed version of windows
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| 20:49 | <jim1> hello!
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| 20:50 | i am having a problem connecting a thin client to a ltsp server...
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| 20:58 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 21:00 | jim1: You might get more responses if you actually describe what the problem is
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| 21:01 | <jim1> ahh yes... thank you... i was waiting for someone to reply... allow me to elaborate
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| 21:14 | <jim1> I am running Ubuntu 9.04 Desktop with a double nic configuration and LTSP. I subnetted a block of internal IPs and can ping the entire network from the ltsp server. The ltsp server has full internet connectivity. The thin is a desktop PC that I recently stripped down with the intention of using it as a thin media pc in the living room. All Ethernet cards are linksys eg1032 gigabit adapters. When I boot the thin client, it acquires a
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| 21:16 | In troubleshooting I have updated the LTSP kernel, image and sshkeys any time I made any change to the configuration files
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| 21:17 | <sbalneav> Sorry, your description was cut off after "it acquires a"
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| 21:17 | <jim1> When I boot the thin client, it acquires an IP in the proper subnet, loads the Ubuntu splash screen and crashes with, "[62.760503] Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!" I am very familiar with Linux, but I am by no means an expert. I have researched this problem on the forums and other linux/ubuntu websites. I have yet to find a solution that works. Since I am new to LTSP, I researched the software and mainly followed
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| 21:19 | im sure that I am missing something small and simple... but I have no clue as to where to look first
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| 21:19 | <sbalneav> Simplest would be first to eliminate the graphical splash screen.
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| 21:20 | cd /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg
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| 21:20 | edit default
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| 21:20 | remove the "quiet splash"
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| 21:20 | that will allow you to see what exactly's going on at boot.
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| 21:21 | <jim1> thank you for the tip!
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| 21:22 | <sbalneav> Do you have a firewall on the machine?
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| 21:23 | LTSP uses a nbd to mount a compressed root image
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| 21:23 | <jim1> my firewall is configured on my router
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| 21:23 | <sbalneav> it might be being blocked by a firewall, if you have one.
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| 21:23 | Ok, so nothing on the machine then.
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| 21:24 | What does the boot say, with the "quiet splash" removed?
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| 21:29 | <Ahmuck_> it's a video problem i bet
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| 21:29 | sbalneav: u familiar with localapps
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| 21:30 | <jim1> The last thing it does before giving an error is load the USB driver for the mouse. After that:
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| 21:30 | IP-Config: no response after 60 secs - giving up
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| 21:30 | /init: .: line 1: can't open /tmp/net-eth0.conf
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| 21:30 | then the kernel error
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| 21:32 | I am not familiar with localapps... i have been using ubuntu for about two years though so I have become pretty familiar with editing files and I am sure that I have edited this file/folder before... i recognize the term
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| 21:36 | i am running a Galaxy GeForce 8400 GS in the server with a dual monitor configuration with 2 Panasonic S110i... the client is running a Chaintek GeForce FX5200 with a single monitor, a Samsung SyncMaster997DF... all are VGA...
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| 21:37 | all Nvidia drivers are up to date on the server
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| 21:39 | <sbalneav> Sounds like it could be video related.
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| 21:40 | Try maybe setting XSERVER = vesa in the lts.conf file
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| 21:40 | Ahmuck_: see my responses in #edubuntu
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| 21:43 | <jim1> when I open /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf - there is nothing in the file, like i'm creating it... just add XSERVER - vesa in the file?
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| 21:43 | **XSERVER = vesa
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| 21:44 | <Ahmuck_> yes
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| 21:44 | <sbalneav> Well
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| 21:44 | [Default]
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| 21:44 | <Ahmuck_> lts.conf file format is "this=that"
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| 21:44 | <sbalneav> XSERVER = Vesa
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| 21:44 | err, vesa
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| 21:44 | no cap
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| 21:44 | <Ahmuck_> where "THIS=that"
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| 21:44 | no caps?
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| 21:44 | ah, no caps on vesa
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| 21:44 | <sbalneav> for vesa
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| 21:45 | <Ahmuck_> sbalneav: ur responses in edubutu on localapps?
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| 21:47 | <jim1> [Default]? I added the lts.conf file to the directory with "XSERVER=vesa" in the context... I rebooted the client twice with no luck
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| 21:47 | what does it mean that it cannot open "/tmp/net-eth0.conf"
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| 21:48 | <Ahmuck_> don't you have to rebuild the client image for any change in the lts.conf?
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| 21:48 | nm
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| 21:49 | <jim1> im going to run the image through its update processes anyways and give it a shot
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| 21:49 | <Ahmuck_> [default]
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| 21:50 | <jim1> excuse me... but are you asking me to place the text [default] at the beginning of the lts.conf file with "XSERVER=vesa" below it
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| 21:52 | <Ahmuck_> yes
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| 21:53 | it appears that if your using the lts.conf in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf that you would need to update the image according to the instructions in the file
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| 21:55 | <vagrantc> use /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 21:55 | <Ahmuck_> however, you should be using instead /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf file
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| 21:56 | vagrantc: good thing your hear. lts.conf file is confusing. for one, one file refers to /usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/lts-parameters.txt.gz
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| 21:56 | <sbalneav> Ahmuck_: No, docs
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| 21:56 | <Ahmuck_> *here
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| 21:56 | <vagrantc> lts-parameters.txt.gz is just documentation of the configuration options
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| 21:56 | hence, it's location in /usr/share/doc/
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| 21:56 | <Ahmuck_> the other refers to lts_parameters.txt, which using locate comes up with nothing
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| 21:57 | ah, the file is wrong. it should be ltsp-server directory
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| 21:57 | not ltsp-client
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| 21:57 | * Ahmuck_ shakes head a bit | |
| 21:58 | <Ahmuck_> so, i need to file a bug to get it changed?
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| 21:58 | <sbalneav> We're in the midst of re-doing the docs.
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| 21:59 | <Ahmuck_> ah, ok
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| 21:59 | <sbalneav> The file should, really, disappear altogether, and be replaced by the lts.conf.5 manpage.
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| 21:59 | <Ahmuck_> sooo, vagrantc i did that u suggested, however i did not have a local apps menu
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| 21:59 | <vagrantc> ah well, i've only tinkered with local apps ... stgraber and gadi have worked with it a lot more.
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| 22:00 | <Ahmuck_> i was able to launch some local apps using "local-apps appname"
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| 22:00 | * vagrantc thought it was "ltsp-localapps" for quite some time | |
| 22:00 | <vagrantc> perhaps you're using an older version?
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| 22:00 | <sbalneav> Ahmuck_: Are you running Jaunty?
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| 22:01 | <Ahmuck_> sbalneav: yes
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| 22:01 | well, intrepid upgrade to jaunty
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| 22:01 | vagrantc: yes, ltsp-localapps
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| 22:01 | <vagrantc> Ahmuck_: did you upgrade the chroot as well?
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| 22:01 | <Ahmuck_> i've forgotten what i did at 1:00 am in the morning
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| 22:01 | yes
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| 22:02 | hrm, upgrade chroot?
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| 22:02 | that might be my whole problem with a lot of things. never occured to me
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| 22:03 | sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 aptitude safe-upgrade
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| 22:03 | No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
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| 22:04 | i assume i'm kosher
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| 22:05 | so at this point, i assume that the upgrade also upgraded the chroot
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| 22:05 | jim1: that work?
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| 22:06 | <sbalneav> Ahmuck_: I'd ditch the chroot, rebuild it.
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| 22:06 | Unless you updated the sources.conf in the chroot.
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| 22:06 | <jim1> sorry I got caught up on the phone for a minute and I was just finishing reading what you were saying... i am trying it now
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| 22:07 | <Ahmuck_> ditching the chroot. rm -rf /usr/ltsp_something?
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| 22:08 | <sbalneav> Ahmuck_: mv /opt/ltsp /opt/oldltsp
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| 22:08 | <Ahmuck_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/UpdatingChroot
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| 22:08 | i assume
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| 22:10 | client building now
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| 22:14 | <jim1> yes the client is building now... thank you for the assistance
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| 22:15 | <Ahmuck_> er, that link is 8.04 based. i assume that it applies to 9.04?
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| 22:18 | sbalneav: using that method, that link instructs me to re-install any previously installed packages
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| 22:20 | <sbalneav> If you simply move the old one out of the way, and do an ltsp-build-client, you'll get a new jaunty chroot.
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| 22:22 | <Ahmuck_> sbalneav: pm?
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| 22:22 | new jaunty chroot, as what's on the server i assume
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| 22:24 | <jim1> I am still getting the exact same error.
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| 22:25 | <sbalneav> pm?
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| 22:26 | Ahmuck_: Yes
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| 22:26 | <Ahmuck_> sbalneav: private message?
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| 22:29 | <sbalneav> Sure, if you'd like.
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| 22:50 | <sbalneav> !docs
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| 22:50 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 22:57 | <Ahmuck_> in your lts.conf file in the appropriate stanza - what is the proper "stanza"
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| 22:57 | ie, [default] ?
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| 22:57 | stanza == section ?
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| 22:58 | <sbalneav> yes.
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| 23:02 | <sbalneav> Updated the docs.
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| 23:02 | <Ahmuck_> stanza should be replaced with section. i've not heard of stanza before, and it's only used in two places in the docs
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| 23:03 | <sbalneav> Already done.
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| 23:11 | <marks256> anyone know how to get sound working on an LTSP client? using ubuntu 9.04 x64
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| 23:11 | clients are booting an i386 image however
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| 23:11 | <sbalneav> Is it not working at all? Or not working for certain programs?
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| 23:15 | marks256: Is it not working at all? Or not working for certain programs?
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| 23:16 | <marks256> sbalneav, not at all. if i mess with the volume on the client, it actually changes the volume on the server.
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| 23:17 | <Ahmuck_> heh, happens here as well
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| 23:18 | <marks256> all the tutorials i've found on the net are either A out of date, or B terrible at explainations.
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| 23:18 | <Ahmuck_> what is NBD swap?
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| 23:19 | marks256: tutorials for ltsp?
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| 23:19 | NBD_SWAP ... swap space on the server or client?
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| 23:19 | <marks256> Ahmuck, no, tutorials for getting sound to work on the client side.
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| 23:20 | <Ahmuck_> what distro?
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| 23:21 | <marks256> ubuntu 9.04
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| 23:21 | <Ahmuck_> chapter 13 in the ltsp manual
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| 23:21 | ?
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| 23:22 | <marks256> where is that?
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| 23:22 | ltsp website documentation?
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| 23:23 | <sbalneav> marks256: If you open the volume control, and select the device, what options are there?
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| 23:23 | <marks256> sbalneav, i'll check quick. you mean on the client?
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| 23:23 | <sbalneav> Yes, on a client.
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| 23:23 | Ahmuck_: What's your question about chapter 13?
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| 23:23 | <Ahmuck_> i've got a amd64 proc with ubuntu ltsp 32 bit installed and intel 32 bit clients. part of my problem?
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| 23:24 | sbalneav: nothing, that's where "sound" is
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| 23:24 | however i didn't have to "enable" true to get it to work on my network
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| 23:24 | but i have strange volume problems
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| 23:24 | <sbalneav> Ahmuck_: NBD_SWAP is swap space on the server.
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| 23:24 | <marks256> sbalneav, i think i see my laptop in there. i'll try to play something quick
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| 23:24 | <sbalneav> SOUND=True by default in Ubuntu.
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| 23:25 | <Ahmuck_> one user listens to something on the client and sound comes out on the server
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| 23:25 | <sbalneav> There should be a pulseaudio device.
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| 23:25 | That's the one you want.
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| 23:25 | <Ahmuck_> another user adjusts sound on the client and it changes the server
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| 23:25 | etc. etc.
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| 23:26 | <sbalneav> It's probably not picking the remote pulse audio device by default.
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| 23:26 | <marks256> exactly. i have the same problem as Ahmuck
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| 23:26 | <sbalneav> So, like I said, drop down the device selection in the volume control, and select the remote pulse device.
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| 23:27 | <marks256> i've got a pulse audio mixer there. Do i use it?
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| 23:27 | i did but it doesnt work.
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| 23:28 | <Ahmuck_> LOCAL_APPS boolean default False should be LOCAL_APPS boolean default false as in LOCAL_APPS=false
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| 23:30 | <marks256> sbalneav, i still can't get it working. no matter what device i choose, no sound
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| 23:31 | sbalneav, i'm running x64 server with i386 clients. is that the problem?
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| 23:31 | <sbalneav> Well, the pulseaudio mixer works fine here. I'm not running 64 bit on the server though.
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| 23:31 | Maybe, I'd have to test.
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| 23:31 | Or, you could just boot a 32 bit server kernel and try, as well.
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| 23:32 | <marks256> sbalneav, i want all the memory in my server to be used though ;)
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| 23:32 | <Ahmuck_> how interesting. user1 shows the server sound card in volume control --> device, whereas user2 shows a muted volume control and does not know there is a sound card and user three shows a intel sound card as an option all on the same machine
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| 23:32 | <sbalneav> That's easy.
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| 23:32 | just install the -server kernel
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| 23:32 | it's got PAE enabled.
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| 23:33 | If it's the case that sound doesn't work in a mixed 64/32 environment, then it's a pulseaudio bug.
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| 23:35 | <marks256> sbalneav, the server kernel will let me use 4+ gigs of ram on a 32 bit os?
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| 23:35 | <sbalneav> Yes.
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| 23:35 | That's what I run.
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| 23:36 | My machines have 8 gigs of ram.
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| 23:36 | <marks256> sbalneav, how do i do that?
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| 23:37 | <sbalneav> sbalneav@sputnik:~$ uname -a
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| 23:37 | Linux sputnik 2.6.24-19-server #1 SMP Wed Aug 20 23:54:28 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
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| 23:38 | sbalneav@sputnik:~$ free total used free shared buffers cached
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| 23:38 | Mem: 8308360 1047308 7261052 0 62128 663920
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| 23:38 | -/+ buffers/cache: 321260 7987100
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| 23:38 | Swap: 2955920 314692 2641228
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| 23:38 | sbalneav@sputnik:~$ dpkg -l | grep linux-image-server
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| 23:38 | ii linux-image-server 2.6.24.19.21 Linux kernel image on Server Equipment.
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| 23:38 | install the package linux-image-server
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| 23:39 | that gets you a PAE enabled 32 bit kernel.
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| 23:39 | <marks256> sbalneav, and i install that where
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| 23:39 | sbalneav, so basically sound should work by default on the clients?
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| 23:40 | <sbalneav> Should. But those of us who develop for LTSP don't have ready access to 64 bit hardware sometimes, so 64 -> 32 sometimes doesn't get tested as well.
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| 23:41 | <Ahmuck_> hrm, sounds fixed
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| 23:41 | or seems to be, and some other issues as well
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| 23:41 | <marks256> Ahmuck, how'd you do it?
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| 23:41 | Ahmuck, i haven't been paying attention. :$
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| 23:41 | <Ahmuck_> marks256: i won't know till later this week
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| 23:42 | <marks256> Ahmuck, aww why :)
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| 23:42 | <Ahmuck_> i had a 8.10 --> 9.04 upgrade. i rebuilt my thin client
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| 23:43 | <marks256> Ahmuck, oh. i see.
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| 23:44 | sbalneav, i think i have an i386 version of ubuntu 9.04 here, but it is the desktop install. does that include the LTSP install on it, or will i have to do it manually?
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| 23:45 | <Ahmuck_> hrm, and now it's gone
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| 23:47 | nn
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| 23:47 | <marks256> Ok i got sound working on a machine (guess my laptops are just picky... i knew it always took extra work to get sound working on them...) but it it really glitchy! :o like... TERRIBLE
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| 23:47 | i'm on a 10/100 network though
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| 23:48 | <sbalneav> marks256: No, you'll have to install the ltsp-server-standalone package after the fact.
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| 23:49 | <marks256> sbalneav, ok. i'll still try i386, but sound IS working for me now. but it is really glitchy. any ideas why that may be?
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| 23:49 | <sbalneav> glitchy in *what*? Listening to an ogg?
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| 23:51 | <marks256> sbalneav, WTF! now it just STOPPED being gltchy! it's working great now... :??:
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| 23:51 | <Ahmuck_> i found my sound problem
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| 23:51 | <marks256> Ahmuck, what was it?
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| 23:51 | <Ahmuck_> or the symtom
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| 23:51 | <marks256> Ahmuck, explain :)
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| 23:52 | <Ahmuck_> started the program, sound was working, and had five devices listed
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| 23:52 | sound was going and i could hear it on the client. then it stopped and i had two devices, both alsa
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| 23:52 | <marks256> Ahmuck, so there are two alsas running?
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| 23:53 | <Ahmuck_> no, i'm not sure what's going on
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| 23:55 | <sbalneav> There will be two devices, the one on the server, and the one on the thin client.
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| 23:55 | <marks256> Now sound just quit working for me. all together.
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| 23:55 | <sbalneav> I'll ask again: in what?
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| 23:55 | What are you using to test sound?
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| 23:56 | <marks256> sbalneav, rhythmbox
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| 23:56 | <Ahmuck_> k, logging the client out and back in does not get sound back. rebooting does. in addition, the additional devices are listed upon reboot
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| 23:57 | <marks256> Ahmuck, i think i have the same problem. i had an entire list of devices from all my clients, then all of a sudden only two appeared. So i'm restarting
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