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Channel log from 19 March 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:38 | <greenmang0> ogra:
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| 02:39 | ogra: who's graphics card gets utilized by display, server or client?
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| 10:38 | <Keaton> Hey, #ltsp, I've got another Ubuntu question. Anyone out there know a way to disable some of the services that come up on login that take up big ol' gobs of RAM, like tracker, bluetooth daemon, etc.? Thus far I haven't found anything but the 'Session' preferences GUI, but I don't know where it writes it's settings to or how to set them globally.
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| 10:39 | <ogra> System-Admin->Services ...
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| 10:40 | <Keaton> Oh. wow, now I feel like a jackass. :P
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| 10:40 | <ogra> and uninstall tracker completely ... its just evil in multiuser envs
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| 11:46 | * Lns wishes he knew about calendarserver before installing webdav/apache =p | |
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| 11:46 | <Nubae> why, whats calendar server?
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| 11:49 | <Lns> Nubae: it's apple's open-source caldav server
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| 11:49 | <Nubae> ah
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| 11:49 | <Lns> i'm thinking not to use it actually, it seems more complex than what i want
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| 11:50 | supposed to be better than webdav though, as it only transfers single events/items from an ics
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| 11:50 | instead of the whole thing
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| 11:50 | i got a corrupted calendar because i think i shut down my system with sunbird still open in the middle of a sync...
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| 11:51 | kinda lame, calendarserver requires a filesystem with extended attributes turned on
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| 11:52 | <Lns> how goes it Nubae ?
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| 11:54 | <Nubae> yeah not too bad
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| 11:54 | been real busy though
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| 11:54 | had to leave a lot of edubuntu stuff on the back burner...
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| 12:05 | <Lns> i hear you
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| 12:06 | the nice thing is, we usually all stick around so when we have downtime we can all pitch in =)
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| 12:06 | <Nubae> do u know if domino (lotus) server works on ltsp?
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| 12:06 | I'd imagine it should...
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| 12:06 | <Lns> i would imagine
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| 12:07 | my brother works a lot w/domino
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| 12:07 | <Nubae> yeah this software company wants me to put together a package small business server, based on ltsp and lotus
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| 12:08 | it seems like a nice alternative to MS
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| 12:19 | <epsas> so... running 32 bit terminals on a 64bit server is possible?
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| 12:20 | <NeonLicht> if you have plenty of RAM, yes
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| 12:20 | mainly if users will run browsers
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| 12:22 | <epsas> ok
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| 12:33 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: I received your company's 1520 client today. It seems really awesome.
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| 12:44 | <ogra> is that the atom based one ?
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| 12:52 | <warren> ogra: yes
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| 12:55 | <stgraber> warren: yeah, the 1520 rocks, just a small issue with LVDS appearing when there's none but that's easily fixed
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| 12:55 | (that's fixed in Ubuntu so the 1520 works out of the box in Jaunty)
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| 12:56 | <warren> stgraber: LVDS appearing when there's none means?
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| 12:56 | stgraber: what did you do to fix it?
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| 12:57 | <stgraber> if you do a xrandr call, you see a LVDS output because the video card is a laptop one (and at least in Ubuntu X forces a LVDS output for the mobile chipsets)
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| 12:58 | warren: http://paste.ubuntu.com/133799/
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| 12:59 | <warren> stgraber: why not push this to ltsp usptream?
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| 13:00 | <stgraber> warren: I only push upstream what I know to be broken on all distro, I didn't test that thin client with all distros
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| 13:00 | <warren> stgraber: ok, how do i test this?
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| 13:00 | stgraber: plug which video out into what?
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| 13:01 | <stgraber> usually if you're unable to change your resolution it's because of that LVDS output
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| 13:02 | warren: with that fix the LVDS output completely disappears from xrandr
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| 13:02 | <warren> stgraber: ok testing
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| 13:02 | <ltsppbot> "stgraber" pasted "expected xrandr output on 1520" (14 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/287
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| 13:04 | <warren> stgraber: could you post this workaround to the upstream list so it is on record?
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| 13:04 | stgraber: our X guys are looking at this box now, so maybe they can come up with a real fix
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| 13:05 | <stgraber> warren: issue being that the ship is just 100% identical on netbooks (EEE 1000H for example) and that box, Ubuntu's X guys haven't found an easy way to detect it and a bug upstream was rejected IIRC
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| 13:05 | warren: I'll post on the mailinglist and attach the 3 workarounds I added for Ubuntu
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| 13:05 | <warren> stgraber: thanks, that's perfect
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| 13:06 | stgraber: please also include bad xrandr and expected?
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| 13:07 | <stgraber> if I can find the hardware :) some where reported by users, some others by customers and I only have a few at the office. I'll at least add a description of what it's fixing so if someone see the same bug he can uses the script (that someone can be a distro maintainer :))
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| 13:09 | <jammcq> hello all
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| 13:09 | <ogra> yo
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| 13:10 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: your smartcard slot seems to be a benefit over the devonit unit
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| 13:14 | <epsas> re re vagrantc
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| 13:15 | * vagrantc waves | |
| 13:16 | <epsas> i am installing debian lenny for an ltsp server
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| 13:16 | <vagrantc> epsas: i just got backports of ltsp for lenny readied the other day :)
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| 13:16 | <NeonLicht> good for you, you coudn't choose better, epsas :-)
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| 13:17 | <ogra> sure, he could have choosen ubuntu :)
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| 13:17 | <warren> brb
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| 13:18 | <vagrantc> and we obviously managed to scare off fedora
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| 13:18 | <ogra> heh
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| 13:18 | he is quickly gone to talk to his marketing dept. ;)
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| 13:18 | <epsas> i evaluated fedora out of respect for Mr Togami =)
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| 13:19 | <NeonLicht> I'm trying to understand pulseaudio and get the sound working on my thin clients
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| 13:19 | <ogra> there is not much to understand
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| 13:20 | does sound and volume control not work for you ?
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| 13:20 | <NeonLicht> ogra, well, I need to understand how to get it running XDD
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| 13:20 | <ogra> you shouldnt have to do anything
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| 13:20 | i.e. it should work out of the box
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| 13:21 | at least as long as your soundcard is supported by the kernel
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| 13:21 | s/kernel/alsa driver/
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| 13:21 | <NeonLicht> well it does not
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| 13:21 | is it a sound card needed on the server?
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| 13:22 | or just on the thin clients?
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| 13:22 | <ogra> only on the clients
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| 13:22 | <NeonLicht> the thin clients do have one, of cours, but the server most probably does not
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| 13:22 | <ogra> in ubuntu we have an Xsession.d script that sets up a virtual alsa device, not sure any other distro uses that
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| 13:22 | <NeonLicht> it is a 1U rackable box
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| 13:23 | <vagrantc> NeonLicht:
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| 13:23 | <Lns> NeonLicht: you only need a soundcard in the server if you're running MS Terminal Server
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| 13:23 | <vagrantc> !release
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| 13:23 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "release" is please mention the linux distro and release you're using :)
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| 13:23 | <ogra> but with that connecting to the pulse server on the client it should just work as long as your driver works
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| 13:23 | <NeonLicht> I see
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| 13:24 | I get mplayer complaining about being not able to find card '0'
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| 13:24 | <ogra> how do you run mpolayer ?
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| 13:24 | <NeonLicht> and then [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: No such file or directory
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| 13:24 | <ogra> indeed
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| 13:24 | you need the right -ao setting for mplayer
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| 13:24 | <NeonLicht> ogra, I run mplayer from the command line, of course, as I run everything :-)
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| 13:25 | <ogra> esd or pulse or if you run ubuntu alsa should all work
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| 13:26 | <vagrantc> NeonLicht: what distro?
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| 13:27 | <NeonLicht> Debian GNU/Linux, vagrantc, of course :-)
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| 13:27 | -ao esd works!
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| 13:27 | <ogra> sure
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| 13:27 | <NeonLicht> thanks a lot, ogra, vagrantc
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| 13:27 | <ogra> pulse emulates esd
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| 13:27 | pulse should work as well
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| 13:27 | not sure about alsa on debian
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| 13:27 | <vagrantc> NeonLicht: /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/README.Debian.sound
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| 13:27 | <NeonLicht> neither pulse nor alsa do
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| 13:27 | <ogra> i doubt vargrant likes my hack :)
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| 13:28 | <NeonLicht> thanks, vagrantc!
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| 13:28 | <vagrantc> NeonLicht: it may need some updating, but it gets most applications to work out of the box.
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| 13:28 | some unusual apps definitely still have problems.
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| 13:28 | * vagrantc returns to work | |
| 13:29 | <NeonLicht> going to try ogg123... I need some music! haha
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| 13:31 | ogg123 works both with pulse and esd
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| 13:32 | it does not with alsa
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| 13:33 | <ogra> you need the virtual alsa device for that
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| 13:34 | <NeonLicht> it shpuld be convenient for me to have it then, I guess, since most programs seem to use alsa as their default
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| 13:38 | <NeonLicht> ogra: could it be on the alsa-oss deb pack?
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| 13:39 | <ogra> NeonLicht, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/annotate/head%3A/server//80_ltsp-sound
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| 13:40 | thats what we have in /etc/X11/Xsession.d in ubuntu
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| 13:42 | <NeonLicht> is that related in any way to the virtual alsa device you refered to b4?
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| 13:43 | <vagrantc> ogra: that script doesn't work at all on debian
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| 13:43 | ogra: it requires patches to alsa-foo
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| 13:44 | NeonLicht: the instructions for setting up the alsa -> pulse stuff are in /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/README.Debian.sound
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| 13:44 | <NeonLicht> the more I know Ubuntu, the more I like Debian :-)
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| 13:44 | ok, vagrantc, thank you!
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| 13:44 | * vagrantc values the contributions of both Debian and Ubuntu, but often grumbles about Ubuntu | |
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| 13:47 | <NeonLicht> great, vagrantc, mplayer and ogg123 both run now with alsa, ie, wo having to instruct them what to use :-)
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| 13:47 | <NeonLicht> thanks a lot, ogra, vagrantc, your help has been very heplful!
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| 13:47 | <vagrantc> sure beats my help being harmful :)
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| 13:48 | <NeonLicht> haha
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| 13:51 | <ogra> vagrantc, that comes from upstream
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| 13:51 | no idea why debian rips out the asoundconf script
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| 13:52 | <NeonLicht> I don't know the asoundconf script, but if Debian decides to trash it I belive it must sucks a lot XDDD
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| 13:53 | <vagrantc> ogra: the set-pulseaudio and unset-pulseaudio commands were implemented as ubuntu patches, last i looked.
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| 13:54 | <NeonLicht> (just pecking XDD)
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| 13:55 | <vagrantc> ogra: would be really nice to get those features upstream
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| 13:57 | <NeonLicht> well, I'm leaving for home now, very happy for having the sound matter fixed, again thank you!
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| 13:57 | cya
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| 14:30 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: hmm... bleeding edge kernel modesetting is having trouble with your 1520
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| 16:47 | <Eviltechie> Does your server have to run a DHCP server to use LTSP, or can you have a router do it?
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| 16:51 | <alkisg> Eviltechie: typically, your server has to run a DHCP server. But if you have a programmable router that can send a boot filename etc, you can also use it. Another option is to use a proxydhcp. And another one is to use gpxe.
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| 16:53 | <Eviltechie> alkisg: Which one is easiest?
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| 16:53 | <alkisg> The first one, to install dhcp3-server in your dhcp server.
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| 16:53 | *ltsp server
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| 16:54 | <Eviltechie> The thing is, I only have one network card, and a home router. I tried setting it up in vmware, but it keeps locking up during the install.
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| 16:56 | <alkisg> Where do you want to install ltsp, in the real box or in vmware?
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| 16:56 | <alkisg> You can install ltsp with one NIC, that's not a problem...
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| 16:57 | <Eviltechie> I just want something to play around with, not for a production enviroment.
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| 16:58 | <alkisg> Well, you can install ltsp server in your real box, and use vmware as a thin client
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| 16:58 | Or you can install both the server and a client in vmware; again no problem
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| 16:58 | <Eviltechie> I was originally trying to install both in vmware, but the install kept hanging at 50%
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| 16:59 | <alkisg> Which distro?
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| 16:59 | <Eviltechie> Ubuntu
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| 16:59 | <alkisg> Alternate cd?
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| 16:59 | <Eviltechie> Yes
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| 16:59 | <alkisg> It shouldn't hang because of 1 or 2 nics; something else may be the problem
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| 16:59 | <Eviltechie> It was giving a RSOD.
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| 16:59 | <alkisg> But you may tell vmware that you want 2 nics...
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| 17:00 | <Eviltechie> Yes, but I think that the problem is that my vm dosen't know what NIC is which. They show up as exactly the same.
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| 17:01 | <alkisg> Why don't you try with vbox? Networking is much easier with it.
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| 17:02 | <Eviltechie> Virtual box?
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| 17:02 | <alkisg> Yes, 2.1.x uses packet injection and works without tun/tap devices
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| 17:02 | You don't have to do anything, it just works :)
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| 17:03 | <Eviltechie> I'll give vmware one last shot. If that fails, I'll go for vbox
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| 17:06 | <alkisg> Eviltechie: you may also try `sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone` in your real box, followed by `sudo ltsp-build-client`.
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| 17:06 | <Eviltechie> I tried that, but I noticed that it came with dhcp.
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| 17:06 | <alkisg> Yes, but you do want dhcp to properly test it...
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| 17:07 | If you don't want dhcp, you do `sudo apt-get install ltsp-server`
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| 17:07 | <Eviltechie> I absolutrly cannot mess my home network.
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| 17:07 | <alkisg> Then you may install ltsp-server, and test with a gpxe boot disk in a vmware client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/grubgpxe
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| 17:09 | <epsas> vagrantc - are your new packages in the backports repository?
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| 17:23 | <vagrantc> epsas: they're not at backports.org, but at http://pkg-ltsp.alioth.debian.org/debian
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| 17:23 | epsas: i've been meaning to updated the instructions for it on http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto ... there's already instructions for etch backports.
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| 17:24 | epsas: i hope to have them at backports.org someday, but they're indefinitely stalled in migrating to testing, so i can't get an upload to backports.org until they make it there.
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| 17:27 | <epsas> okay - that is good to know
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| 17:45 | <epsas> vagrantc - what line should I add to my sources.list?
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| 17:45 | <vagrantc> epsas: deb http://pkg-ltsp.alioth.debian.org/debian lenny-backports main
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| 17:45 | <epsas> cool
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| 17:45 | <vagrantc> epsas: basically, follow the instructions on http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto/Etch-With-Backports and replace "etch" with lenny ...
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| 17:46 | and s,etch-ltsp-backports,lenny-backports,g
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| 17:47 | known issues shouldn't be issues, but and i'm not sure users need to be added to the audio group ..
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| 17:50 | * Lns takes a mental note - there is no better backup solution than dd+gzip+fdisk. | |
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| 18:01 | <epsas> okay - very cool
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| 18:07 | <SDuensin> Anyone (try to) run FreeNX on Ubuntu?
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| 18:54 | <SDuensin> Arrgh. LTSP for road warriors is going to kill me.
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| 18:55 | <Lns> SDuensin: :)
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| 18:55 | A road warrior without LTSP is like a dog without bricks tied to its head
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| 18:56 | <SDuensin> Uh. Yea. :-P
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| 18:56 | I installed FreeNX on top my LTSP machine. It hates me.
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| 18:56 | <Lns> i need to check out freenx again sometime..i did it a while ago but not recently
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| 18:57 | <SDuensin> I've installed and run it before. Now it just gets to "downloading session information" (or whatever it says) and times out.
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| 18:58 | <Lns> weird
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| 18:58 | SDuensin: vnc won't cut it, eh?
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| 18:58 | <SDuensin> Tells me it's going to use /etc/nxserver/nxacl to determine settings or if the user should be there or not, but doesn't actually run it.
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| 18:58 | I don't know how to dynamically allocate connections for VNC users.
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| 18:59 | <Lns> SDuensin: how many roadwarriors do you potentially have?
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| 18:59 | <SDuensin> Dunno.
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| 19:01 | * SDuensin looked for a FreeNX IRC channel, but no dice. | |
| 19:02 | <Lns> SDuensin: #nx
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| 19:02 | <SDuensin> Now I feel stupid. :-P
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| 19:03 | <Lns> that's ok, i feel stupid all the time, haha
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| 19:03 | * Lns waves goodnight to chan | |
| 19:03 | <SDuensin> Thanks, Lns - later!
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| 19:03 | <Lns> SDuensin: np, good luck!
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| 23:37 | <vagrantc> epsas: http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto/Lenny-With-Backports
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| 23:55 | <cyberorg> vagrantc, hi, i tested rdesktop -s shell, works, but slight different than we expect
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| 23:56 | -s kde4, -s icewm, -s gnome, etc works, there is startwm.sh script that xrdp uses to launch session properly with /path/to/Xsession startwm.sh
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| 23:59 | <vagrantc> cyberorg: huh. so why didn't it work with your initial patch?
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| 23:59 | but very nice if xrdp properly handles Xsession ...
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| 23:59 | <cyberorg> vagrantc, what does ldm.session return?
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| 23:59 | <vagrantc> saves us some hassle.
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