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Channel log from 27 May 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:45 | <alkisg> ogra, I'm looking (and from what I've seen so far it's possible) for a way to enable the ltsp clients and server to seamlessly co-exist with other dhcp servers and clients (like, in mixed linux/windows environments). This will be done by slightly modifying ipconfig to send a specific dhcp request option, and by putting a match directive to dhcpd.conf to only reply to pxe/bootp/etherboot and ipconfig requests. My question is: if I do this, and if t
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| 01:45 | ogra, this "confirmation" will be helpful for me to convince the ipconfig maintainers. :)
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| 01:49 | <Pascal_1> bonjour
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| 01:50 | <johnny> why don't you just set dhcport
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| 01:50 | sounds easier
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| 01:50 | dhcpport*
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| 01:50 | <alkisg> to enable pxe clients to boot
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| 01:50 | if I put 1068 they won't boot. :(
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| 01:52 | If I'm correct, then there won't be a need for a custom dhcp port (I think)
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| 02:03 | <alkisg> ogra, of course the dhcp match directive will be optional (a documentation hint), because some sites will only have the ltsp server as a dhcp server, and they'll need it to reply to non-ltsp clients as well.
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| 03:46 | <alkisg> Using /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default I can pass options to the initramfs for pxe clients. Anyone knows if I can pass similar options to etherboot clients?
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| 04:37 | <alkisg> OK, I found it, in dhcpd.conf I have to pass a special Etherboot signature as option-128 and the kernel parameters as option-129.
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| 05:00 | <primary> q-funk i double checked that amd-geode and core are installed but we still have the issue with the terminals not booting through to log in screen
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| 05:00 | <Q-FUNK> installed, updated and the LTSP image rebuilt?
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| 05:04 | <primary> yep
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| 05:07 | <Q-FUNK> hm
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| 05:09 | deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/q-funk/ubuntu hardy main
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| 05:09 | can you try those core and geode packages instead and see if it improves anything?
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| 05:10 | those use al alternate solution
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| 05:45 | <Nubae> I'm getting this in my log files, and I've seen it either has something to do with VMware or mounting usb sticks: VMBlock warning: DentryOpRevalidate: invalid args from kernel
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| 05:45 | <stgraber> vmblock is one of vmware's module
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| 05:46 | <Nubae> could it interfere with usb stick mounting?
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| 05:46 | <stgraber> maybe, IIRC it's managing I/O
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| 05:47 | <Nubae> yeah, since its coming up sticks have stopped automounting... but there's little information, other than other people are getting the same error on launchpad
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| 05:48 | <stgraber> did you search on vmware forum ?
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| 05:50 | <Nubae> yeah, didn't get much luck there, launchpad seems to have the most info
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| 05:58 | <new2linux> does installing k12ltsp on fedora core 8 found on this site https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/InstallGuide is the same way as installing ltsp5 on fc9 http://k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/FC9-LTSP5_walk-through?
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| 05:59 | <alkisg> stgraber, hi, in hardy scp-client (I think it's the old thin client manager) is running as a service. Is this supposed to happen? Haven't we moved to iTalc?
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| 05:59 | <stgraber> ogra: ^ ?
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| 06:00 | <ogra> alkisg, the client part is still there so you can easier connect the gui to it thin client manager will persist as lightweight tool but not as the default
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| 06:00 | if i find the time i'll drop the vnc pieces from it, the rest seems to work fine and doesnt need much maintenance
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| 06:01 | its nothing to manage a classroom with but for a 5 client office setup its a fine tool
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| 06:02 | the scp-client binary will only start if it detects you are on a thin client, else it stays off
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| 06:02 | <alkisg> ogra, thanks! When you have 5 minutes, I'd like to talk to you about ipconfig -c bootp...
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| 06:02 | <ogra> sure, shoot
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| 06:03 | <stgraber> ogra: I'm looking at today's commits for iTalc and it looks like the UI in 1.0.9 will be a lot easier to change (user defined menu entry, toolbars where we can show/hide buttons, ...)
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| 06:03 | ogra: I may well be able to drop one more of my patches there :)
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| 06:03 | <ogra> sweet !
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| 06:04 | sigh, that willowng code gives me headdaches
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| 06:04 | <stgraber> and I'll probably push a debug release of iTalc to my PPA (if LP doesn't remove the dbg symbols) with some debug options turned on to get more details about those VNC crashes
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| 06:04 | <ogra> i wonder how Amaranth ever got it to work ...
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| 06:05 | stgraber, if LP removes them from a clear -dbg package its a bug that needs to be fixed
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| 06:05 | <alkisg> Here it goes: after a talk in ipconfig list, I learned that we should have a resident dhcp client, like dhclient. Now, with ipconfig, leases may expire and we may get into trouble. As a viable workaround, we may use ipconfig -c bootp, which (according to the RFC) requests for an infinent lease. This has a nice side effect, that ltsp clients ignore requests from other dhcp servers (e.g. routers) and it makes mixed environments (e.g. linux/windows) coo
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| 06:05 | <ogra> makes mixed environments (e.g. linux/windows) co
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| 06:06 | ^^^ was cut off there ^^^
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| 06:06 | <alkisg> cooperate better
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| 06:06 | <stgraber> ogra: do you have any webpage or something for willowng ? the only thing I can see is a 125 weeks old branch on LP :)
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| 06:07 | <alkisg> ogra, so, in pxelinux.cfg/default, we should add ip=bootp, and somehow enable the nbd.img take the same kernel parameter... I tried option-128 and option-129 in dhcpd.conf and etherboot clients, but I couldn't pass the parameter to the kernel.
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| 06:07 | <ogra> stgraber, i was woking the last three days on it, i'll push my branch and upload a package as soon as i have something that partially works
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| 06:07 | <stgraber> ogra: ok, cool
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| 06:07 | <ogra> (and i have to write up the spec we discussed at UDS)
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| 06:08 | guadalinex is urgently waiting for a working branch as well :) and i'm hoping for something suitable to push into gnome upstream :)
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| 06:08 | alkisg, how would that hanlde the case where you have more than 254 clients ?
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| 06:09 | <alkisg> ogra, is there a limit in bootp clients?
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| 06:09 | <ogra> if you have permanaent leases you run out at some point
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| 06:09 | no, but on IPs in a class C network
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| 06:10 | <alkisg> ogra, I'm not saying that this should be the default behavior, rather a documented and supported option
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| 06:10 | <ogra> i'm not really fond of switching on bootp by default without very very widespread testing what breaks
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| 06:10 | ah
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| 06:10 | well, additions are always welcome ;)
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| 06:10 | <alkisg> ogra, if a network has more than 254 clients, how do we guarantee that there won't be ip conflicts now?
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| 06:11 | I mean, if a client stays up for some time and its lease expires?
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| 06:11 | <ogra> we dont but if you have say 300 clients and not all of them run at the same time the remaining 46 need to be able to get an IP
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| 06:11 | so having a fixed lease might break it
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| 06:11 | <alkisg> Yes, but if they also have another 300 non-ltsp clients, ip collisions could occur...
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| 06:12 | <new2linux> hey guys
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| 06:12 | mind if i ask a question
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| 06:12 | <alkisg> From what I understood, it would be better for admins to erase a lease file once in a while, than to risk ip collisions.
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| 06:12 | <new2linux> You'll need to configure your NSF exports file so that the client will have access to its operating system. Just add this line to your /etc/exports file: /opt/ltsp *(ro,async,no_root_squash)
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| 06:12 | <ogra> we had people running out of IPs at some point where there was a bug in ubuntus dhcpd that caused the client to request a new IP even on the second request ...
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| 06:13 | <alkisg> But I'm just a teacher, I'm not sure if I understood correctly!
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| 06:13 | <ogra> i dont want to see such issues again :)
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| 06:13 | <new2linux> do i just go terminal, become root and then type vi /etc/reports
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| 06:13 | <ogra> (that were 125 clients eaing up 250 IPs automatically)
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| 06:14 | <alkisg> OK, so an option then. It's already there, we just have to document it. (1) tell me where, (2) tell me how to pass kernel parameters to etherboot images! :)
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| 06:14 | for pxe clients, just ip=bootp in pxelinux.cfg/default.
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| 06:15 | <ogra> alkisg, http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edubuntu/handbook/C/ch03s06.html
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| 06:15 | it should go there
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| 06:15 | <alkisg> for etherboot clients, dhcpd.conf option 128 and 129 should be able to do it, but I couldn't make it.
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| 06:16 | <ogra> new2linux, thats how it should work on fedora, yes
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| 06:16 | (as fasr as i understand it at least, not a fedora user here)
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| 06:16 | s/fasr/far/
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| 06:16 | <alkisg> ogra, e.g. a random page that describes the 128/129 options is this: http://osdir.com/ml/ubuntu.user.edubuntu/2006-08/msg00000.html but i couldn't reproduce it.
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| 06:18 | ogra, I don't have access to write in this page, maybe I should write something to a wiki page and someone else to transfer it there?
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| 06:18 | <new2linux> so vi /etc/exports --> press i for input --> type /opt/ltsp *(ro,async,no_root_squash) --> esc --> :wq
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| 06:19 | <ogra> alkisg, talk to the ubuntu-doc team (via their mailin list or irc channel)
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| 06:20 | new2linux, i guess thats right, yes (we dont do such stuff in ubuntu, it's set up out f the box here)
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| 06:20 | (and we dont use nfs anyway by default :) )
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| 06:20 | <alkisg> ogra, ok. If you know of someway to pass parameters to the nbi.img kernel, tell me please. :)
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| 06:21 | <new2linux> what does nfs for?
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| 06:21 | it said e325 attention
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| 06:22 | found a swap file by the name /etc/.exports.swp
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| 06:22 | owned by root
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| 06:22 | while opening file "/etc/exports"
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| 06:22 | what should i do to erase the old one?
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| 06:23 | recover or vim?
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| 06:23 | what is vim?
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| 06:23 | what is vi?
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| 06:24 | <ogra> alkisg, iirc you can create /etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf in the chroot, add BOOTPROMPT_OPTS to it and run sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 /usr/lib/ltsp/update-kernels
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| 06:26 | <alkisg> ogra, that's what I wanted to avoid. In Greece we'll be deplying ltsp in some schools (I'm part of a pilot program) and many of them never saw a console
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| 06:27 | <ogra> new2linux, vim is an editor (in ubuntu we ship nano for users which is more like the windows editor so its less complicated for users to understand)
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| 06:27 | <alkisg> ogra, it would be OK to tell them to edit a file like pxelinux.cfg/default, but rebuilding the kernels may be too much for them, they'll hate linux instantly! :)
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| 06:27 | <new2linux> sounds like ubuntu is easier for user who just migrate from windows to linux
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| 06:27 | <ogra> alkisg, well, does the default setup not work for you ? many many schools use ubuntu ltsp out of the box without tweaking parametaers
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| 06:28 | <alkisg> ogra, no, in all schools here we'll have to have a windows server and some windows pcs also, and a router=dhcp server
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| 06:28 | * ogra doesnt understand why alkisg needs to tweak at all | |
| 06:28 | <alkisg> ogra, this gets us in a busybox :(
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| 06:28 | the ltsp clients get an address from the router and fall to busybox
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| 06:28 | <stgraber> why can't you have a separate network for the thin clients ?
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| 06:28 | <alkisg> No money! :)
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| 06:29 | <stgraber> can't you use VLANs ? (if your switches support it)
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| 06:29 | <ogra> wel, then fix your dhcp server to supply the proper next-server option
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| 06:29 | <alkisg> ltsp_nbd already has provision for this with the IPOPTS kernel parameter, I just can't pass it the correct value from etherboot disks
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| 06:30 | <ogra> use PXE emulation in etherboot
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| 06:30 | and you dont need to care anymore
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| 06:30 | <alkisg> usually the routers (=dhcp servers) are very cheap with no configuration options like these
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| 06:30 | <ogra> well, then use one of the LTSP servers ad dhcpd
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| 06:30 | s/ad/as/
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| 06:30 | or a windows machine if you feel more comfortable with that
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| 06:31 | <alkisg> the ltsp-server is not always online! :) I've been thinking about this for weeks!
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| 06:31 | <stgraber> alkisg: my house router cost me ~40$, has VLAN support, runs Linux and can do everything you want from VPN to custom DHCP server :)
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| 06:31 | <ogra> keep it online then :)
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| 06:31 | <alkisg> ogra, OK with the pxe emulation, how does that work?
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| 06:31 | stgraber, I had 2 serial mice I wanted to change and it took me 2 months to convince the principal...
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| 06:31 | <ogra> etherboot acts as PXE client after the image was loaded
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| 06:32 | <stgraber> alkisg: erk
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| 06:32 | <alkisg> ogra, I'll dig into that.
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| 06:32 | <ogra> look at rom-o-matic
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| 06:32 | there is a configuration option
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| 06:33 | <alkisg> there's another problem with rom-o-matic, not all clients have the same NICs, so we usually use another disk (anadex.de) which supports most of them... Anyway, I'll manage!
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| 06:33 | <new2linux> stgraber: you said your house router cost you only 40$, what are you using?
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| 06:34 | * ogra guesses linksys | |
| 06:34 | <stgraber> new2linux: Buffalo WHR-G54S
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| 06:34 | <new2linux> linksys cost more than that
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| 06:34 | <stgraber> ogra: nope, same hardware but cheaper than Linksys
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| 06:34 | <new2linux> see
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| 06:34 | linksys acquired by cisco already
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| 06:34 | <ogra> mine costed €59 but has a DSL gateway integrated
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| 06:35 | (linksys)
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| 06:35 | <new2linux> what does the router benefits for thin-client?
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| 06:37 | i've got so many setroubleshoot
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| 06:37 | anyway to get it fix automatically
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| 06:41 | <ogra> new2linux, get a server with two network cards, download the ubuntu alternate iso and follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 06:41 | thats the easiest you can get
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| 06:43 | <new2linux> i think so
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| 06:43 | ;asdlfjadfj
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| 06:43 | which architecture should i get
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| 06:43 | for intel xeon 3065?
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| 06:43 | <ogra> i368
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| 06:44 | <new2linux> ok
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| 06:44 | <ogra> and after install of the system use the -server kernel image instead of the default if you have more than 4G in your machine
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| 06:44 | <new2linux> what's that for?
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| 06:44 | i have 4 g
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| 06:44 | <ogra> (the i386 -server kernel flavour supports up to 64G)
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| 06:45 | usual i386 kernels end at 3G
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| 06:45 | <new2linux> and about to share it to 10 thin-clients only
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| 06:45 | <ogra> well, you will need about 128M per running client session on the server plus about 256M once for the server to operate
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| 06:45 | <new2linux> u say get ubuntu alternate iso
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| 06:45 | u mean the edubuntu / kubuntu
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| 06:46 | xubuntu / gobuntu
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| 06:46 | <ogra> so for ten clients you are easy up with 2.5G
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| 06:46 | <new2linux> do you what does buntu means in my country?
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| 06:46 | <ogra> there s link on the page i pasted
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| 06:46 | <new2linux> it meant dead end
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| 06:46 | :(
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| 06:46 | indonesian language
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| 06:46 | * ogra hasnt heard about that | |
| 06:47 | <new2linux> just fyi only
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| 06:47 | :)
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| 06:47 | <ogra> i know ubuntu in russian means something rather rude though
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| 06:47 | <new2linux> ok
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| 06:47 | <ogra> check he link on the page
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| 06:47 | <new2linux> so, i get the server ubuntu 1st?
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| 06:47 | <ogra> look for ubuntu-alternate-i386.iso or something similar
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| 06:47 | <new2linux> i get the server edition or the desktop edition?
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| 06:47 | <ogra> desktop
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| 06:48 | <new2linux> why not the server?
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| 06:48 | i have server chipset
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| 06:48 | on the motherboard
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| 06:49 | <ogra> the server doesnt have a desktop installed
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| 06:49 | ltsp needs a desktop to log in to
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| 06:49 | just follow the help page
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| 06:49 | <new2linux> ok
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| 06:49 | <ogra> if you are done with everything, open the package tool and look for linux-image-server and install that package
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| 06:50 | <new2linux> and after install of the system use the -server kernel image instead of the default if you have more than 4G in your machine --> so i just type "- server kernel image" on the terminal?
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| 06:51 | <ogra> no
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| 06:51 | i can walk you through, finish a normal install first
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| 06:52 | <new2linux> the ubuntu-alternate-i386.iso is different than the desktop installation is it?
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| 06:53 | <new2linux> which one should i download now?
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| 06:53 | <ogra> ubuntu-alternate-i386.iso
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| 06:53 | <wwx> <ogra> i know ubuntu in russian means something rather rude though
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| 06:53 | i doubt
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| 06:53 | <ogra> wwx, well, someone told me its "fuck" or "fucking"
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| 06:54 | <wwx> just strange word and nothing more
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| 06:54 | <wwx> ogra, nope, fucking is jebat
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| 06:54 | <ogra> ah, k
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| 06:54 | <wwx> :)
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| 06:54 | <ogra> then i probably was misinformed, i dont speak russian beyon da/njet :)
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| 06:54 | <new2linux> indonesia-english dictionary and type buntu
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| 06:56 | i can't find the alternate file on the website
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| 06:57 | try google and must use torrent to download
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| 06:57 | <ogra> do you see the link at the top ?
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| 06:57 | saying "get the iso from" ... with a link behind it
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| 06:58 | and a little CD icon in front
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| 06:58 | <new2linux> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
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| 06:58 | i'm on there
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| 06:58 | <ogra> no
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| 06:58 | the page i pasted 30min ago
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| 06:58 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 06:58 | <new2linux> owh
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| 06:59 | so, i just click ubuntu desktop
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| 06:59 | <ogra> no
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| 06:59 | <new2linux> and click standard personal computer
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| 06:59 | <ogra> alternate
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| 06:59 | <new2linux> and below
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| 06:59 | there's a check box
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| 06:59 | <ogra> no
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| 06:59 | gplease go to the page i pasted
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| 06:59 | <new2linux> saying check here if you need the alternate desktop cd
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| 06:59 | ok
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| 06:59 | <ogra> there is a direct link to the download dir
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| 07:00 | <ogra> "PC (Intel x86) alternate install CD" is what you want
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| 07:01 | <new2linux> done :)
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| 07:01 | <ogra> good
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| 07:01 | <new2linux> 40 minutes to go
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| 07:01 | <ogra> there are also torrents
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| 07:01 | <new2linux> i see now
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| 07:01 | so, i don't have to install all the way back
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| 07:01 | just upgrade from fedora 9 to ubuntu
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| 07:01 | right?
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| 07:01 | <ogra> no
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| 07:01 | thats doesnt work
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| 07:02 | fedora != ubuntu
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| 07:02 | <new2linux> i still have to start all over?
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| 07:02 | <ogra> you need a fresh install
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| 07:02 | it takes about 1h
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| 07:02 | <new2linux> yes
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| 07:02 | 699 mb
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| 07:02 | <ogra> and if your server has two network cards, everything will work out of the box
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| 07:02 | <new2linux> i click on the pc (intel x86) desktop cd
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| 07:02 | <ogra> (the install takes about 1h)
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| 07:02 | <new2linux> wrong click
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| 07:02 | oops
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| 07:02 | alternate
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| 07:03 | ubuntu-8.04-alternate-i386.iso, 697mb
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| 07:03 | <ogra> right
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| 07:03 | <new2linux> 3 hours 40 mins remaining
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| 07:03 | -_-
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| 07:04 | so, it's a fresh install
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| 07:04 | <ogra> right
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| 07:04 | you cant mix up distros
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| 07:04 | <new2linux> ok
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| 07:05 | after that, install linux-image-server
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| 07:05 | you said
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| 07:05 | <ogra> well, you probably technically could with deep knowledge about both distros you want to mix :)
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| 07:05 | <new2linux> and, after that what shold i do next
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| 07:05 | isn't ltsp integrated on ubuntu hardy heron?
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| 07:05 | <ogra> right
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| 07:05 | <new2linux> i'm really new2linux
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| 07:05 | can't even do 1 rightfully
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| 07:05 | <ogra> everything will work out of the box after the fresh install
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| 07:06 | <new2linux> ok
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| 07:06 | so, after linux-image-server, i just boot the client?
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| 07:06 | <ogra> the -server kernel package is only needed for using all your RAM which you wont need in the beginning ... you can add it later at every tme
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| 07:06 | <ogra> you can just boot the client after the CD finished and rebooted your system
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| 07:06 | <new2linux> simple as like that?
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| 07:07 | <ogra> linux-image-server isnt needed for that
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| 07:07 | yes
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| 07:07 | <new2linux> so, what does the image server for?
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| 07:07 | <ogra> using all your ram
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| 07:07 | the kernel image on the CD can only use up to 3G
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| 07:07 | <new2linux> i thought the ram will be used automatically?
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| 07:07 | i see
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| 07:08 | the image is to use the memory more than 3g
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| 07:08 | <ogra> which is still enough for you
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| 07:08 | right
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| 07:08 | <new2linux> nice
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| 07:08 | what about flash player on ubuntu?
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| 07:08 | which should i download?
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| 07:08 | flash-nonfree?
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| 07:09 | <ogra> if you have done your install, open the applications menu on the desktop
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| 07:09 | <new2linux> i did install ubuntu at 1st
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| 07:09 | <ogra> go to "Add/Remove software"
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| 07:09 | search for flash :)
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| 07:09 | <new2linux> and change to fedora, coz i can't install flash player onit
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| 07:09 | on it
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| 07:10 | <ogra> or just open firefox and go to youtube, open a flash movie and firefox will handle the install
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| 07:10 | <new2linux> really take an effort just to have flash player on the website
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| 07:10 | :p
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| 07:10 | i tried that
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| 07:10 | <ogra> its a two click install in ubuntu
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| 07:10 | <new2linux> just won't allow to install adobe flash player
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| 07:10 | <ogra> from the firefox dialog ?
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| 07:10 | works flawless here on al my machines
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| 07:11 | <new2linux> can't recall
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| 07:11 | i think yes
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| 07:11 | from firefox
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| 07:11 | on the tabs that shows up when you're missing a plug-in
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| 07:11 | <ogra> it tels you it cant find flash and if it should install it ... you click yes, and thats it ... after some minutes flash works
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| 07:11 | <new2linux> i install the server ubuntu
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| 07:12 | server i386 ubuntu
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| 07:12 | <ogra> no idea about server, i dont use it for desktops :)
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| 07:12 | so i dont need flash on it
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| 07:12 | <new2linux> i thought i need server for linux thin-client, when buying the hardware
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| 07:12 | didn't know that standard desktop hardware will do
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| 07:13 | <ogra> you need desktop software
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| 07:13 | not HW
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| 07:13 | <new2linux> coz, when reading ncomputing
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| 07:13 | <ogra> the user session runs on the server
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| 07:13 | <new2linux> it only can support 10 tc with windows xp
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| 07:13 | and lots more with windows server 2000/2003
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| 07:13 | so, i thought linux is the same
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| 07:13 | <ogra> ncomputing is a hardware solution ... has nothing to do with the way ltsp works
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| 07:14 | not even remotely
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| 07:14 | <new2linux> is not the same?
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| 07:14 | on technology term?
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| 07:15 | <ogra> nope
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| 07:15 | totally different
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| 07:15 | <new2linux> ok
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| 07:18 | 5 hours to go...
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| 07:18 | could i just install the server i386?
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| 07:18 | i have the iso file for that
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| 07:18 | laksdjf
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| 07:18 | buntu
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| 07:19 | <Big-K> I would recommend you the edubuntu desktop installation
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| 07:20 | <new2linux> i do have that one as well
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| 07:20 | what's the different between ubuntu and edubuntu?
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| 07:21 | <ogra> Big-K, there is no edubuntu desktop install CD anymor with hardy
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| 07:21 | <Big-K> ogra, huh
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| 07:21 | <ogra> the CD bits moved into the alternate CD now
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| 07:21 | <Big-K> sorry didn't know that
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| 07:21 | <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyClassromServer
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| 07:21 | the edu content is an addon CD now
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| 07:22 | giving us about 400M free diskspace to fill now
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| 07:22 | <Big-K> | |
| 07:22 | <ogra> (as opposed to having the edubuntu install CD which always forced us to drop stuff)
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| 07:22 | right, the edubuntu-desktop package still exists an wont go away
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| 07:22 | <Big-K> ok
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| 07:23 | <ogra> but the Classroom CD isnt existing anymore
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| 07:23 | whoops, typo in the link
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| 07:23 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyClassromServer
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| 07:24 | <new2linux> so, between all the ubuntu, edubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu, gobuntu
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| 07:24 | why you pick edubuntu? big-k
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| 07:24 | <ogra> new2linux, it had the best ltsp integration until hardy ... all of LTSP5 was developed on edubuntu initially
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| 07:25 | now we moved that into ubuntu itself
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| 07:25 | <new2linux> owh
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| 07:25 | <ogra> new2linux, here you can read some history while downloading http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5
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| 07:25 | <new2linux> so i don't need to add the edubuntu now, right?
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| 07:25 | to get the ltsp
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| 07:26 | <Big-K> right
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| 07:26 | <ogra> right
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| 07:26 | <new2linux> i see
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| 07:26 | <ogra> and some more info on LTSP5 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/Content/UbuntuContributions#head-ad8371c02ef631489e14cc76ad6c6fbd1a4b72a0
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| 07:26 | <new2linux> i'm a linux specialist in 6 months
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| 07:26 | <Big-K> :D
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| 07:26 | <new2linux> lots of reading on linux
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| 07:27 | <ogra> yeah :)
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| 07:27 | <new2linux> cheers
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| 07:27 | <Big-K> I am pretty new to linux, too
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| 07:27 | <new2linux> here linux specialist get better paid than windows specialist
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| 07:27 | <Big-K> who wants to be a windows "specialist"? :D
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| 07:28 | <new2linux> throw ur windows out of the windows, who needs windows and gates in the free world
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| 07:28 | i love that quote
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| 07:28 | <Big-K> In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates?
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| 07:29 | <ogra> :)
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| 07:29 | <Big-K> didn't know the other one
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| 07:29 | * ogra goes for some late lunch | |
| 07:30 | <new2linux> have a nice lunch
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| 07:30 | * new2linux needs to take shower | |
| 07:30 | <new2linux> 4 hours 30 mins to go
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| 07:30 | be back big-k
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| 07:31 | <Big-K> new2linux, what is in 4 hours 30 mins?
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| 07:31 | <new2linux> downloading the alternate iso file
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| 07:31 | ubuntu alternate iso file
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| 07:31 | <Big-K> uh
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| 07:32 | what a connection o.O
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| 07:32 | <new2linux> 768kb/s conn. :(
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| 07:32 | 3rd world conn. sux
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| 07:32 | but singapore has good conn.
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| 07:32 | s$45 for 3mb/s
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| 07:33 | where are you at big-k?
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| 07:33 | <Big-K> germany
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| 07:33 | <new2linux> what do u use for the conn. and how much do u pay for it?
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| 07:33 | <Big-K> I'm @ work
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| 07:33 | we have a pretty fast one
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| 07:33 | <new2linux> here that 768kb/s through cable conn. is about us$25
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| 07:33 | t1?
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| 07:34 | <Big-K> | |
| 07:34 | <new2linux> 16 megabits or 16 megabytes?
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| 07:34 | <Big-K> bits
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| 07:35 | <new2linux> wow
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| 07:35 | 16!!
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| 07:35 | i'll download all linux distros
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| 07:35 | <Big-K> u only need debian :D
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| 07:35 | <new2linux> hehe
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| 07:35 | <Big-K> ubuntu is nice too
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| 07:35 | <new2linux> but it's nice to know the differences
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| 07:36 | anyway, need my shower
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| 07:36 | talk to u later big-k
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| 07:37 | <Big-K> ok, bye
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| 07:59 | <Nubae> Q-Funk u there?
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| 08:13 | <Appiah> I'm running Suse 10.3 and I setup ltsp acording to the wiki page on opensuse. When I'm booting on this newly created image , it complains about ifplugd not beeing installed
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| 08:13 | and it cant seam to setup the network
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| 08:13 | then the screen just goes black
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| 08:14 | kiwi-ltsp-setup -p says all mandatory packages are installed
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| 08:15 | <cyberorg> Appiah, using prebuilt image?
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| 08:15 | <Appiah> Yes
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| 08:15 | Since I have no idea on how to build my own
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| 08:15 | and the wiki does not describe that
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| 08:17 | <cyberorg> Appiah, ok, network is already set up, ltsp clears screen before setting up xorg.conf, what graphics hardware you have?
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| 08:19 | <Appiah> it's a virtual machine and it should be using VESA
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| 08:19 | <cyberorg> Appiah, how much memory?
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| 08:19 | <Appiah> 512mb
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| 08:20 | <cyberorg> Appiah, what vm?
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| 08:21 | <Appiah> Vmware
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| 08:22 | <cyberorg> Appiah, try full screen, i haven't had any problem with it, how big is your monitor
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| 08:22 | <Appiah> 22w
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| 08:24 | does not help
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| 08:24 | is there any logs I can check? beacuse I think there are more errors , I just cant see them
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| 08:24 | last error I see is about ifplugd not beeing installed
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| 08:24 | <cyberorg> Appiah, you can ssh into the client
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| 08:24 | <Appiah> aah
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| 08:24 | true
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| 08:25 | I'll check
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| 08:25 | dmesg and such
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| 08:25 | <cyberorg> /var/log/ldm.log and check xorg logs too
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| 08:26 | <Appiah> well that was stupid of me , I turned it off and THEN tried to ssh to it xD
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| 08:29 | <cyberorg> Appiah, can you pastebin /srv/tftpboot/pxelinux.cfg/default ?
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| 08:30 | <Appiah> hold on im checkin the logs
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| 08:31 | <cyberorg> Appiah, also check if /etc/X11/xorg.conf is generated in the client
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| 08:32 | <Appiah> there is and its using driver vmware
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| 08:32 | and Xorg log shows no errors about it
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| 08:33 | cant find any modelines thought
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| 08:34 | <cyberorg> Appiah, you can try XSERVER = vesa in /srv/tftpboot/KIWI/lts.conf
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| 08:35 | <Appiah> umm
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| 08:35 | <cyberorg> also try booting another machine or a laptop if you have just to make sure everything is alright
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| 08:35 | <Appiah> I did "startx" from ssh
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| 08:35 | and X started up
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| 08:35 | I think it dosent even try to run
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| 08:35 | X
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| 08:35 | and it wont allow me to see the tty?
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| 08:36 | console*
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| 08:37 | SCREEN_07=ldm , but ldm is nowhere to be found
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| 08:39 | <cyberorg> Appiah, ldm is in the client
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| 08:40 | <Appiah> oh
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| 08:41 | <cyberorg> Appiah, try another machine first, just to know the entire sequence
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| 08:41 | <Appiah> problem is that I cant right now
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| 08:41 | Have to try that later
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| 08:42 | <Appiah> its ESX server and havent patched this VirutalSwitch to a realswitch so I cant pxeboot from a physicalmachine
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| 08:43 | <cyberorg> k
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| 08:45 | Appiah, is the server in vmware too?
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| 08:46 | <Appiah> yupp
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| 08:46 | <cyberorg> it didnt like nbdroot last time i tested server in vmware
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| 08:46 | <Appiah> ndbroot ?
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| 08:47 | <cyberorg> we use nbdroot, but as you get as far as getting xorg.conf generated, that is not an issue here
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| 08:47 | tried vesa in lts.conf?
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| 08:49 | <Appiah> yupp vesa did not help
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| 08:52 | <cyberorg> Appiah, tray vga=791 in /srv/tftpboot/pxelinux.cfg/default on the server, not sure if that would help, but try anyway
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| 08:52 | *try
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| 08:53 | <Appiah> I got a bunch of errors in kiwi.log
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| 08:53 | <cyberorg> scp it on the server and pastebin it
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| 08:54 | <Appiah> on the way
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| 09:04 | <x86> I'm looking for a suggestion on HP thin clients
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| 09:04 | <x86> any ideas?
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| 09:08 | <x86> not sure if I should get the HP Compaq t5135 thin clients for $199 each, or the HP Neoware c50 thin clients for $249
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| 09:09 | the t5135 does not say it supports Linux
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| 09:09 | which I'm sure is just a marketing ploy
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| 09:09 | the Neoware ones all say they support "NeoLinux"
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| 09:20 | <Nubae> x86... take a look at: thincan.com
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| 09:24 | <x86> I want something supportable
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| 09:24 | HP gives me 3 years parts AND labor warranty on all thin clients
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| 09:24 | also we've standardized our IT infrastructure to HP
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| 09:24 | so I have to buy HP clients
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| 09:25 | <new2linux> i love that thincan clients
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| 09:26 | do they sold in my country yet?
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| 09:26 | all we have here is ncomputing and those hp clients
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| 09:27 | 5watts power consumption
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| 09:28 | <x86> new2linux: HP clients work well with LTSP?
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| 09:28 | new2linux: and which model are you using?
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| 09:28 | <new2linux> no, never use one before
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| 09:29 | i'm only using old pc
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| 09:29 | but pentium 3 still consuming 100 watts over
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| 09:29 | not including monitor
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| 09:30 | 200 watts x 30 = 6000 watts
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| 09:31 | 5 watts x 30 = 150 watts
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| 09:31 | 40w x 30 = 1200w
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| 09:32 | good on electricity bill
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| 09:38 | <Nubae> well, the thincan devs are on this channel a lot of the time
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| 09:38 | so that's pretty good support
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| 09:39 | <x86> no one has LTSP experience using HP thin clients?
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| 09:39 | or Neoware thin clients?
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| 09:39 | I just want to make sure they'll work fine before I spend 30k on all new clients
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| 09:40 | <new2linux> try 1 first
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| 09:40 | working well or not, depends on the server as well
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| 09:40 | <Nubae> can understand that... waht I did is order 1 as new2linux points out
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| 09:41 | We run a HP server though
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| 09:42 | has been excellent, except can't mention debian to the support staff at HP or they quickly tell you its unsupported
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| 09:42 | <new2linux> see if it's running well all the applications that your company needs
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| 09:42 | <Nubae> actually, debian is slightly supported, ubuntu they totally frown at
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| 09:43 | <x86> HP sells thin clients running Debian
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| 09:43 | http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF05a/12454-12454-321959-338927-89307-3634729.html
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| 09:43 | <Nubae> yeah I live in Spain
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| 09:43 | and I'm talking about the server
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| 09:45 | my god that's expensive...
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| 09:46 | <new2linux> 450 for a tc
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| 09:46 | :D
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| 09:46 | might as well buy a pc
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| 09:46 | <Nubae> there's no mention of etherboot or pxe either
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| 09:46 | <stgraber> ogra: oh btw, the thin client I had for the demo on saturday worked just fine (the one with the transmetta CPU)
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| 09:47 | <new2linux> can it be attach to the monitor like ncomputing?
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| 09:47 | <Nubae> heh, dell is selling laptops for that price
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| 09:47 | seems a much better deal
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| 09:47 | <x86> not what I'm buying
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| 09:47 | <Nubae> with ubuntu preinstalled!
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| 09:47 | <x86> I was just pointing out they do sell Debian thin clients
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| 09:48 | <x86> think I'm going to buy this: http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF05a/12454-12454-321959-338927-89307-3341342.html
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| 09:48 | but not sure what "HP ThinConnect" is
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| 09:48 | <Nubae> thincan.com sells for 50 and 100 euro
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| 09:48 | <new2linux> 50 - 100 euro
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| 09:48 | let me convert
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| 09:48 | how much is that in us?
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| 09:49 | <Nubae> x 1.3
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| 09:49 | I believe
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| 09:49 | <x86> lol
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| 09:49 | <stgraber> $80 - $160
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| 09:49 | <x86> try 2.2 ;)
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| 09:49 | <Nubae> 2.2?
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| 09:49 | <new2linux> 80 - 160, fair price
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| 09:49 | love those things
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| 09:49 | <Nubae> come one the euro is not that high yet
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| 09:49 | <x86> hmm wait
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| 09:50 | I was thinking pounds not euros
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| 09:50 | <Big-K> no dollar is that weak :D
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| 09:50 | <x86> 1.5727 dollars for 1 euro
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| 09:50 | 80 euro = 128.82 USD
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| 09:50 | <Nubae> right, well its still a good deal
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| 09:50 | <new2linux> oanda.com
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| 09:51 | <x86> http://ichart.finance.yahoo.com/1y?eurusd=x
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| 09:51 | <new2linux> yes 1.57
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| 09:51 | <x86> that image is very sad
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| 09:51 | <Nubae> I'm surprised some american company hasn't started selling generic thin terminals yet
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| 09:51 | * stgraber is just using google :) "50€ in USD" and you get the result :) | |
| 09:51 | <Nubae> hehe, gotta love that fuzzy logic stuff
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| 09:52 | <new2linux> 50 euro = 78.5 us, fair price for the cheapest one
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| 09:52 | it's the best deal
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| 09:52 | 80 us with only 5w!
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| 09:53 | ROI in only a year
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| 09:53 | <Nubae> seriously though, once you calculate teh price of the flat screen tft, you're almost better off getting a laptop
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| 09:53 | <johnny> yeah.. that's the problem with thin clients :(
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| 09:53 | <new2linux> just saving from the electricity bills
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| 09:53 | <johnny> who's doing one imac style?
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| 09:53 | anybody?
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| 09:54 | <Nubae> think the best solution is with the classmate/eeepc style laptops + thin booting
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| 09:54 | <johnny> screens are too small
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| 09:54 | <new2linux> flat screen is only 30-40w mostly
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| 09:54 | <Nubae> for cost that is
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| 09:54 | <new2linux> totally 35-45w per tc
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| 09:54 | <Nubae> the newer ones have bigger screens now though
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| 09:54 | <new2linux> with thincan
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| 09:54 | <johnny> still not big enough
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| 09:55 | if i gave somebody less than 15 inch screen.. they'd laugh
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| 09:55 | <new2linux> 17"
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| 09:55 | <Nubae> well then the pre-mentioned dell laptops
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| 09:55 | <new2linux> normally
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| 09:55 | <johnny> dell laptops ain't that cheap..
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| 09:55 | <Nubae> teh real cheapies are like 450$
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| 09:55 | <new2linux> 19" is quite medium
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| 09:55 | 22" is big
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| 09:55 | <johnny> new2linux, yeah right
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| 09:55 | nowhere i've ever been
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| 09:55 | <new2linux> how big a laptop screen is?
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| 09:55 | <johnny> i'm using one 17 and one 19 atm
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| 09:55 | one flat, one not
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| 09:56 | <Nubae> http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/linux_3x?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs
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| 09:56 | <johnny> usually 12-15.4 inch
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| 09:56 | <johnny> there are 17's tho
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| 09:56 | <Nubae> ok, I'm 50$ off
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| 09:56 | <new2linux> but it's a very big laptop
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| 09:56 | with 17" monitor
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| 09:56 | :D
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| 09:56 | <johnny> yep
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| 09:56 | HUGE
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| 09:56 | <Nubae> still in euros thats 315$
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| 09:56 | <johnny> need a solution to MOUNT the laptop
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| 09:56 | <new2linux> hassle free to move around though
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| 09:56 | <Nubae> thats a good deal
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| 09:57 | <johnny> Nubae, power savings not so good tho
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| 09:57 | and then you still need to make it easier to add discs
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| 09:57 | <Nubae> better than a desktop
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| 09:57 | <new2linux> but a thincan and a 17" monitor almost require less energy or almost the same as bringing around a 17" laptop
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| 09:57 | <johnny> disc drives in laptops are not something i'd trust a user with, if the laptops were mine
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| 09:57 | somebody would snap it off accidentally
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| 09:58 | <Nubae> disc drives?
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| 09:58 | <johnny> cds
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| 09:58 | dvd
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| 09:58 | <Nubae> why do u need disc drives?
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| 09:58 | <johnny> cuz people would like to burn cds?
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| 09:58 | <Nubae> that isnt possible anyway with ltsp
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| 09:58 | <johnny> atm
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| 09:58 | <Nubae> I just get tehm to use the server
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| 09:58 | one place to burn
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| 09:59 | <johnny> i would only do that if i had a jukebox
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| 09:59 | err media changer
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| 09:59 | so i could stock 100 or so at one time
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| 09:59 | and it would just spit em out
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| 09:59 | but those ain't cheape ither
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| 09:59 | <Nubae> cds are not needed... use memory sticks instead
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| 09:59 | <johnny> you can't put a memory stick in a car cd player
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| 10:00 | or in a discman
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| 10:00 | <Nubae> discman... that still exists?
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| 10:00 | <johnny> or whatever else peopel still have laying around
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| 10:00 | <Nubae> :-)
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| 10:00 | <johnny> sure
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| 10:00 | my gf's car still has cd player
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| 10:00 | <Nubae> well, the kids at this school are unlikely to have that laying around
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| 10:00 | <johnny> no way to put a flash drive in :)
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| 10:00 | yet..
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| 10:00 | her car is too new for me to try to take it apart and mod it :(
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| 10:01 | <Nubae> heh
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| 10:01 | car too new, player too old
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| 10:01 | <johnny> yep
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| 10:01 | <new2linux> -_-
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| 10:01 | <johnny> and newer cars come with ipod connections
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| 10:01 | but i'll never buy an ipod
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| 10:01 | stupid proprietary nonsense
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| 10:01 | <new2linux> in here, some still have cassette player
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| 10:01 | :D
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| 10:01 | <johnny> hehe
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| 10:01 | <new2linux> a double din player, that has a single cd/dvd with cassette player
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| 10:02 | <johnny> yeah
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| 10:02 | * johnny <3 mix tapes | |
| 10:02 | <new2linux> i never see a music store that still selling cassette
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| 10:02 | <johnny> been awhile since i could play one tho
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| 10:02 | <Nubae> here in Spain you see caswettes sold at the bus stations :-)
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| 10:02 | but mostly in rural places
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| 10:03 | like local folk music
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| 10:03 | <johnny> my friend is in spain right now
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| 10:03 | meeting some old revolutionary ...
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| 10:03 | <Nubae> oh yeah, what part?
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| 10:03 | <new2linux> cool
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| 10:04 | <johnny> not sure atm... but he's prolly on his way back today
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| 10:04 | <Nubae> why would this: sudo ltsp-update-image -a fati386
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| 10:04 | suddenly not do anything anymore
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| 10:05 | I took out ltsp-client-core from it... maybe that's why?
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| 10:07 | heh, yeah
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| 10:07 | <Big-K> what is -a fati386 for?
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| 10:07 | <Nubae> so one cannot do apt-get remove ltsp-client-core
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| 10:07 | or image wont rebuild anymore
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| 10:07 | I put it back and now it works again, funny
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| 10:07 | Big-K: Low Fat clients
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| 10:07 | <new2linux> 11 minutes to installing alternate ubuntu
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| 10:08 | <Big-K> aha
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| 10:08 | <new2linux> :D
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| 10:08 | hey big-k
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| 10:08 | <Big-K> hey new2linux
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| 10:08 | <new2linux> 5 hours just now was using dl program from firefox
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| 10:09 | after installing the addons, download them all
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| 10:09 | it's getting faster
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| 10:09 | no more 5 hours
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| 10:09 | hehe
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| 10:09 | <Big-K> :)
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| 10:09 | <new2linux> 3 hrs
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| 10:10 | how do we manage internet bandwidth on thin-client?
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| 10:10 | can still using the standard bandwidth management?
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| 10:11 | <Nubae> what's teh screen command to get a console, something like SCREEN_04=terminal?
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| 10:12 | <new2linux> don't ask me any commands
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| 10:12 | <Big-K> afaik shell
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| 10:12 | <rjune> I think that's it.
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| 10:12 | <Big-K> SCREEN_02=shell
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| 10:14 | <Nubae> cool, thanks
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| 10:20 | <slappy> Hi, I would like to use the autologin feature with LDM. When I make a ifconfig -a on the client, it gives me the MAC adress of the server's network card. My question is: how can I get the MAC of the client's NIC?
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| 10:21 | <johnny> you would have to either read it from the card itself on the outside, or login locally on the client
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| 10:21 | or read your dhcp server log
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| 10:21 | i always go with dhcp server log
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| 10:21 | err dhcp lease file
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| 10:21 | <slappy> in /var/log ?
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| 10:21 | <johnny> no.. dhcp lease.. i don't know where isc dhcpd stores it
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| 10:22 | i use dnsmasq
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| 10:22 | <Nubae> /var/lib/dhcp3/dhcpd.leases
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| 10:22 | on ubuntu
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| 10:25 | <slappy> I (you) found it. Thanks
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| 10:26 | <Nubae> I couldn't get autologin to work... let me know if it works for you
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| 10:29 | <x86> does NX work with LTSP?
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| 10:29 | I guess I'm not sure how the whole thin client thing works ;)
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| 10:33 | <slappy> Nubae:I doesn't work in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf or in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf (with an lstp-update-image / sshkeys). Any clues?
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| 10:33 | <Big-K> does anyone know how to execute a script when a user log out?
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| 10:34 | <Nubae> slappy... like I said, I couldn't get autologin to work either
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| 10:34 | <johnny> autologin is great.. i use it with guests
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| 10:34 | and assigned hostnames
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| 10:35 | <Nubae> think there are problems, read something in launchpad - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/161794
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| 10:36 | <slappy> johnny: wich release do you use. I'm using ubuntu 8.04
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| 10:36 | <johnny> me too
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| 10:36 | <slappy> humm
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| 10:36 | did you spell some magic?
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| 10:36 | <Nubae> johnny, u just added teh usera nd pass to lts.conf?
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| 10:37 | jeez... sticky fingers
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| 10:37 | <johnny> no
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| 10:37 | i used sshkeys.. cuz some idiot logged in remotely and setup an irc bot
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| 10:37 | <Nubae> sshkeys?
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| 10:37 | <johnny> yes.. auth with ssh keys
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| 10:37 | <slappy> can you give us a starting point?
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| 10:37 | <x86> does NX work with LTSP?
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| 10:37 | <johnny> this is my config
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| 10:37 | http://rafb.net/p/fdesot35.html
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| 10:38 | x86, no idea.. but people often ask that
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| 10:38 | <x86> just got off the phone with HP, and the HP Neoware c50 does indeed support PXE booting
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| 10:38 | <Nubae> LDM_ALLOW_GUEST=Y - that's how
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| 10:38 | <johnny> it doesn't natively work
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| 10:38 | <x86> is that the only requirement for using it with LTSP?
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| 10:38 | <johnny> x86, and enough ram
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| 10:38 | <x86> on the server or the client?
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| 10:38 | <Nubae> both
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| 10:38 | <x86> not sure what the client would need much ram for
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| 10:39 | <johnny> it needs at least 64
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| 10:39 | 128 is a better bet
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| 10:39 | <x86> these have 256
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| 10:39 | <johnny> you won't be able to run local apps tho
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| 10:39 | so flash will prolly suck
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| 10:39 | <Nubae> yeah almost enough to run them as low fat
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| 10:39 | <johnny> not full fat?
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| 10:39 | <x86> I dont want to run local apps at all -- and no Internet at all
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| 10:39 | purely OpenOffice and some other office-like apps (abiword, koffice, etc)
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| 10:40 | <Nubae> then u dont need much ram at all
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| 10:40 | <x86> right
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| 10:40 | these come with 256mb standard, I figured that'd be fine
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| 10:40 | <johnny> if you want the proprietary drivers you need at least 30M for them
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| 10:40 | hopefully you won't need those
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| 10:40 | <x86> proprietary drivers for what?
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| 10:40 | <johnny> video
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| 10:42 | <Nubae> so hang on johnny... autologin works with which user as guest?
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| 10:42 | <johnny> all my users are guests
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| 10:43 | but they all have accounts
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| 10:43 | named after the PC
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| 10:43 | the user/pass was hostname/hostname
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| 10:43 | thats why i had to implement sshkeys
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| 10:43 | too easy to guess
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| 10:44 | i used dnsmasq to give map hostnames to mac
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| 10:44 | <Nubae> ok, so just by having the hostname the same as the user/pass it allows guests to autologin?
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| 10:44 | <johnny> yes, without configuration per user
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| 10:44 | which is ultra annoying to manage a flat file for that
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| 10:44 | <Nubae> yeah I already have that, though do it through dhcp
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| 10:45 | <johnny> the ALLOW_GUEST doesn't actually do autologin
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| 10:45 | if you want just autologin you use LDM_AUTOLOGIN
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| 10:46 | <x86> anyone use Neolinux with LTSP?
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| 10:46 | <Nubae> that doesnt work
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| 10:46 | <x86> (is that even possible?)
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| 10:46 | <Nubae> there's a bug in autologin
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| 10:46 | <johnny> why would you wnt to do that?
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| 10:46 | <Nubae> but if you're saying it works you're way, I'll do it that way
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| 10:46 | <johnny> my solution brings up the greeter, with a button called "Login as Guest"
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| 10:46 | <Nubae> good enough I guess
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| 10:46 | and it doesnt log out?
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| 10:47 | <johnny> people never logout .. the machines stay up all day
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| 10:47 | in the guest account
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| 10:47 | <Nubae> so when it logins as guest, its the user guest?
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| 10:47 | <johnny> no
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| 10:47 | hostname/hostname
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| 10:47 | <Nubae> this is what is confusing me :-)
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| 10:47 | ok... so its hardwired that way
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| 10:47 | <johnny> you can still override it
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| 10:47 | that's just the default
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| 10:48 | a happy default for me
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| 10:48 | <Nubae> where is that set then?
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| 10:48 | <johnny> inside the code
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| 10:48 | <Nubae> hardcoded
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| 10:48 | ?
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| 10:48 | <johnny> defaults are always hardcoded
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| 10:48 | that's what makes them defaults
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| 10:48 | <Nubae> but you said you can override it
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| 10:48 | <johnny> sure
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| 10:49 | <Nubae> dont say by changing the code...
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| 10:49 | <johnny> LDM_USERNAME, LDM_PASSWORD or whatever it is
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| 10:49 | but why bother
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| 10:49 | <Nubae> that doesnt work... well it might with ldm_allow_guest
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| 10:49 | <johnny> why?
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| 10:49 | why do that
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| 10:49 | <x86> anyone use Neolinux with LTSP? or is this even possible?
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| 10:49 | <Nubae> well, cause I want seperate users for each machine I want guest access too
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| 10:49 | <johnny> x86, wtf is neolinux
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| 10:49 | if it's a normal distro.. then it would need an ltsp5 port
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| 10:49 | <x86> johnny: Neoware's thin client linux platform
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| 10:50 | <Nubae> otherwise what happens if they run firefox or whatever?
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| 10:50 | <johnny> Nubae, i said each machine goes by hostname
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| 10:50 | 10 times :)
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| 10:50 | <Nubae> oh wait... hostnames... they are alrady sepeate
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| 10:50 | doh
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| 10:50 | ok ok
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| 10:50 | <johnny> makes it simple to manage
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| 10:50 | <Nubae> fine... well thats a solutino I guess... not real autologin
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| 10:50 | but close enough
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| 10:50 | <johnny> autologin will work with that too
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| 10:50 | or should
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| 10:51 | i know it did for me
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| 10:51 | maybe the overrides are just broken
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| 10:51 | <Nubae> it doesn't... I've tested it several times on gutsy and hardy
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| 10:51 | <johnny> try setting the username and pass as the hostname
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| 10:51 | and enable LDM_AUTOLOGN
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| 10:51 | <Nubae> yeah I'll try that
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| 10:52 | <johnny> the GUEST thing didn't exist in gutsy
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| 10:52 | <Nubae> autologin I'm talking about
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| 10:52 | <johnny> just mentioning that i was using autologin and not guest in gutsy
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| 10:52 | <Nubae> the guest thing, you've just made me realise exists today
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| 10:52 | <johnny> cuz guest didn't work in hardy
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| 10:53 | the guest thing is nice if you have some real accounts
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| 10:53 | and some guest
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| 10:53 | that way they can still login with their username and pass
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| 10:53 | if they have one
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| 10:53 | from any terminal
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| 10:53 | <Nubae> yeah, figures that's pretty nice
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| 10:53 | <johnny> you can thank vagrantc for that feature i think
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| 10:54 | all that's missing is timed autologin for the guest feature
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| 10:54 | that way you get the best of both worlds
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| 10:54 | <Nubae> wow, that would be nice
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| 10:54 | anyway, have to go...
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| 10:54 | <johnny> cya
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| 11:10 | <jitan> hi
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| 11:11 | anyone speaking french or spanish?
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| 11:14 | <slappy> jitan: oui
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| 11:15 | <jitan> slappy: cool
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| 11:15 | j'ai une question
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| 11:15 | je voudrais savoir comment démarrer un client depuis grub ou lilo
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| 11:16 | tu sais comment?
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| 11:16 | <stgraber> jitan: tu dois pouvoir utiliser l'image disquette d'etherboot
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| 11:16 | jitan: et l'utiliser comme image disque
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| 11:17 | <jitan> est-ce qu'il y a un lien à me donner?
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| 11:17 | <stgraber> rom-o-matic.net pour le .img
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| 11:18 | <jitan> uoi, comme pour une disquette?
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| 11:18 | oui
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| 11:18 | <stgraber> ouais
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| 11:19 | <jitan> et puis?
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| 11:19 | <stgraber> tu utilises quelle distribution ?
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| 11:19 | <jitan> ubuntu 8.04
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| 11:19 | pour les clients mandriva
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| 11:19 | <stgraber> ok, donc install le paquet "syslinux"
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| 11:20 | ah, donc il faut faire cette partie là sur les clients ...
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| 11:20 | donc faut trouver le paquet syslinux pour mandriva
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| 11:21 | <jitan> pas de problème avec ça
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| 11:21 | <stgraber> ensuite tu dois avoir un fichier /usr/lib/syslinux/memdisk
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| 11:21 | il faut l'utiliser comme kernel dans grub
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| 11:21 | et mettre le .img comme initrd
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| 11:21 | ça permet de booter n'importe quelle image de disquette avec grub
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| 11:23 | <jitan> c'est très intéressant ça, linux me surprend de plus en plus!!!!
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| 11:23 | je vous remercie les deux, je vais essayer ça.
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| 11:24 | à bientôt, merci
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| 11:24 | <stgraber> np
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| 11:58 | <x86> anyone use Neolinux with LTSP? or is this even possible?
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| 11:59 | <johnny> nobody knows
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| 11:59 | <gbolte> not heard of it...
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| 11:59 | <johnny> ask them :)
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| 11:59 | <gbolte> what is its claim to fame?
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| 11:59 | <johnny> x86, go to their chatrooms or list and find out
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| 12:09 | <x86> they have no chatroom it looks like
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| 12:10 | <alkisg> Hi, does anyone know of a boot floppy that supports multiple NICs, but is based on the newer etherboot version, gpxe? Something like http://etherboot.anadex.de/ (this is for the old version...)
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| 12:14 | <johnny> x86, list perhaps?
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| 12:14 | <x86> list what?
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| 12:14 | <johnny> mailing list
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| 12:14 | did a web search tell you anything?
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| 12:15 | my thought is that if it is another thin client solution, then they prolly wont' play together
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| 12:15 | but that's why i suggest you ask them
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| 12:18 | <gbolte> x86, according to wikipedia HP purchased neoware so I suggest you go talk to your hp rep
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| 12:18 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoware
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| 12:18 | <x86> yeah HP has no idea what LTSP is though
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| 12:18 | gah this is such a headache!
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| 12:18 | <gbolte> http://www.hp.com/sbso/busproducts_thinclient.html?jumpid=ex_r295_go/thinclient
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| 12:19 | thats what I could find
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| 12:19 | sorry
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| 12:22 | <johnny> x86, from that description.. no
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| 12:22 | they will not work together
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| 12:22 | <gbolte> anyway x86 I dont see why the devices would not work with ltsp but I doubt the os will
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| 12:22 | <johnny> they are two products that do the same thing or similiar
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| 12:22 | <gbolte> yeah
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| 12:23 | agreed
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| 12:23 | but that means the hardware will most likely work provided you can pxe boot them
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| 12:23 | <johnny> yeah.. but the hardware will tho.. as gbolte said
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| 12:23 | <gbolte> need to choose another distro to boot them with
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| 12:23 | eg ubuntu
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| 12:24 | x86, if you tell us a little more about the devices eg model numbers there may be more research that can be done to see if it will work
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| 12:32 | <gbolte> johnny, you are working on ltsp for gentoo right?
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| 12:33 | <johnny> yes
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| 12:33 | also sorta for ubuntu
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| 12:33 | barely
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| 12:33 | <gbolte> have you got to the point of being able to login to gentoo with ldm?
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| 12:33 | <johnny> i only knew how to do it for gentoo, because i had already deployed it with ubuntu
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| 12:34 | yes
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| 12:34 | there are 3 manual steps. which is why it hasn't been pushed to ltsp upstream yet
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| 12:34 | but the chroot part is automated
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| 12:34 | <gbolte> do you have an issue where ldm freezes if you type the wrong password in
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| 12:34 | <johnny> i've seen that on ubuntu before
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| 12:34 | but not lately
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| 12:35 | <gbolte> hmm k
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| 12:35 | <johnny> i'm using either the latest bzr (for gentoo) or whatever is in hardy
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| 12:35 | <gbolte> we have it with opensuse and cyberorg said that it is because ldm is expecting a password failed response from sshd
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| 12:35 | <johnny> what does it actually get?
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| 12:35 | <gbolte> but our default is to just prompt for password again
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| 12:36 | so it never gets a failed password response and then gets confused
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| 12:36 | <johnny> what does it get?
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| 12:36 | <gbolte> what do you mean
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| 12:36 | <johnny> it expects password failed as you said
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| 12:36 | but what happens instead
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| 12:36 | <gbolte> it gets a login prompt again just like with gentoo
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| 12:36 | <johnny> just like ubuntu does
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| 12:36 | but it says password failed?
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| 12:36 | <johnny> on the greeter
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| 12:37 | <gbolte> no no thats what it wants to say
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| 12:37 | it just sits there
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| 12:37 | with nothing
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| 12:37 | heh
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| 12:37 | <johnny> i'll have to go to my clients and see
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| 12:37 | can't now tho.. doing web dev stuff
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| 12:37 | <gbolte> k
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| 12:37 | <johnny> that's my primary means of income
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| 12:37 | not ltsp..
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| 12:37 | <gbolte> heh
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| 12:37 | yeah
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| 12:37 | <johnny> i'm not making any money off ltsp yet
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| 12:37 | <gbolte> I am working on getting it deployed for work
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| 12:37 | so we are trying to smooth out the bugs
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| 12:38 | so it is usable
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| 12:38 | <johnny> i just haven't been able to spendtime on ltsp in the past few weeks
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| 12:38 | i hope i can soon tho
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| 12:38 | <gbolte> heh yeah
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| 12:40 | <gbolte> oh johnny if you put the wrong pass it just gets stuck on Verifying password, please wait....
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| 12:40 | :D
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| 12:42 | <johnny> you really should setup a reference implementation of ubuntu or debian
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| 12:42 | most likely debian tho.. until closer to intrepid
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| 12:42 | that way you'll know if the brokeness is from your stuff or in general
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| 12:43 | vm are nice for that ;)
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| 12:43 | <gbolte> heh yeah
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| 12:43 | <cyberorg> gbolte, see devzilla, it is sshd_config settings
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| 12:44 | <gbolte> cyberorg, yeah I just tried setting it to 2 and 0
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| 12:44 | both do not work
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| 12:44 | <cyberorg> gbolte, you need rcsshd restart
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| 12:44 | <gbolte> I did
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| 12:44 | after each change
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| 12:44 | and restarted the client
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| 12:45 | <cyberorg> gbolte, try ssh and see if you get failure on first wrong password first
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| 12:45 | <gbolte> k
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| 12:46 | it disconnects and then said too many auth failures
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| 12:46 | <japerry> cyberorg: Received disconnect from 10.0.x.x: 2: Too many authentication failures for admin
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| 12:46 | <cyberorg> japerry, on settings it 0?
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| 12:46 | <gbolte> yes
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| 12:46 | <japerry> yes set on 0
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| 12:47 | <cyberorg> try 1
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| 12:47 | <japerry> thats what happens after putting a bad password once
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| 12:47 | <gbolte> alright
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| 12:47 | <gbolte> changing it to 1
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| 12:47 | <cyberorg> oh, then it seems ok
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| 12:47 | "<japerry> thats what happens after putting a bad password once"
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| 12:47 | ldm should now give you login again
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| 12:48 | <japerry> yah it should
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| 12:48 | ;-)
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| 12:48 | but it doesn't
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| 12:48 | <cyberorg> that worked for me here
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| 12:49 | <japerry> I wonder if our ldm is outdated.. we're still using our nvidia image
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| 12:49 | <gbolte> I could switch to cyberorg's prebuilt
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| 12:49 | but I dont know if it would make any difference
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| 12:50 | <cyberorg> try prebuilt one, but i think they are all same
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| 12:50 | japerry, btw, did you try initrd with the bootsplash i attached to your bug report?
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| 12:50 | <japerry> cyberorg: yah I saw that, we tried it and it didn't boot
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| 12:50 | no network drivers
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| 12:51 | <cyberorg> what drivers you need? default should have all covered
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| 12:51 | <gbolte> forcedeth
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| 12:52 | <cyberorg> gbolte, that is there, i am using it on my laptop
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| 12:52 | <gbolte> hmm
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| 12:52 | it said that it couldnt find it
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| 12:53 | <cyberorg> it is present <file name="drivers/net/forcedeth.ko"/>
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| 12:53 | <gbolte> :/
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| 12:54 | <cyberorg> gbolte, japerry try it with prebuilt image, you shout get "Too many authentication failures" on first wrong password, but should be able to log in with correct password on first try
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| 12:55 | <gbolte> hmm alright
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| 12:56 | cyberorg, I just tried your boot splash image again and it is still saying failed to load network module
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| 12:57 | and the splash is not showing...I assume it is supposed to show after the initrd is downloaded from tftp
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| 12:57 | <cyberorg> gbolte, put kiwidebug=1 in /srv/tftpboot/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 12:57 | <gbolte> k
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| 12:58 | <cyberorg> you should get a prompt when it fails next, try to modprobe it
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| 12:58 | <gbolte> in the append line?
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| 12:59 | <cyberorg> yes
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| 13:00 | btw the initrd will work with opensuse 11.0 beta3 image only
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| 13:01 | <gbolte> cyberorg, could not load /lib/modules/2.6.22.17-0.1-default/modules.dep no such file or directory
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| 13:01 | oh
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| 13:01 | well thats why
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| 13:01 | :P
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| 13:01 | lol
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| 13:03 | <x86> how many XDMCP clients can I have on a single server with (2) quad-core processors and 2GB of RAM?
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| 13:04 | <dyn> x86: how fast are the CPU's ?
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| 13:05 | 2gb of ram is not very much.. but, it kinda depends on what your thin clients are going to be doing
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| 13:06 | A lot of firefox and openoffice? You need maybe.. 256-512 per thin client to be safe
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| 13:07 | <x86> no firefox
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| 13:08 | just open office
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| 13:08 | <dyn> are you stuck with 2 gigs or can you at least go to 4?
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| 13:08 | how many clients would you *like* to have ?
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| 13:09 | we have about 25 people using FF and OpenOffice and other intenstive stuff w/ 16gb of RAM on quad 3.0ghz w/ a good adaptec RAID card
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| 13:10 | we could probably get away with 12 gigs but.. we're being 'scalable'
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| 13:11 | <gbolte> we get away with 8 gigs
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| 13:11 | :P
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| 13:12 | <gbolte> we have 3.9 gig free
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| 13:17 | <x86> I was going to start with 2... the server I'm looking at can go to 32
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| 13:17 | <dyn> total used free shared buffers cached
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| 13:17 | Mem: 16036 15643 392 0 518 8289
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| 13:17 | -/+ buffers/cache: 6834 9201
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| 13:17 | <x86> looks like 16MB
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| 13:17 | <dyn> so yeah.. 7 used.. 9 free heh. So we could get away with 10 prob. for 22-25 people.
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| 13:18 | free -m gives it in MB's :)
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| 13:18 | <gbolte> total used free shared buffers cached
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| 13:18 | Mem: 8113 7969 143 0 175 3603
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| 13:18 | -/+ buffers/cache: 4190 3922
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| 13:23 | <cyberorg> check out the kiwi talk video and presentation http://en.opensuse.org/Talk
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| 13:24 | <gbolte> k
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| 13:24 | cyberorg, this is the same one that japerry watched the other day I think
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| 13:25 | <cyberorg> gbolte, yup
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| 13:25 | <gbolte> ah
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| 13:25 | ok
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| 13:25 | you need to do a talk on kiwi-ltsp
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| 13:25 | :P
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| 13:25 | hehe
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| 13:28 | <cyberorg> i did one recently, very tiny one, some slide straight from jammcq's old presentations
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| 13:28 | <gbolte> ah
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| 13:31 | <cyberorg> demo was the main "talk" http://forgeftp.novell.com/kiwi-ltsp/KIWI-LTSP.pdf
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| 13:32 | <gbolte> cyberorg, where did you do this presentation
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| 13:33 | <cyberorg> http://dev.compiz-fusion.org/~cyberorg/2008/04/14/soss-08-a-great-success/
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| 13:33 | this event http://dev.compiz-fusion.org/~cyberorg/2008/03/31/a-two-day-symposium-on-open-source-software/
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| 13:34 | <gbolte> wow nice
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| 13:34 | looks like it went well according to your blog
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| 13:34 | :)
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| 13:35 | <cyberorg> yeah, have a look at pictures, it was house full, more than venue's capacity
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| 13:38 | <gbolte> I especially like the "pimping" of the opensuse t-shirt
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| 13:39 | definitely looks like a full house
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| 13:40 | <cyberorg> heh, there are more of those :) http://picasaweb.google.com/jigish.gohil/KanheriCaves/photo#5203531640913881234
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| 13:41 | <gbolte> haha
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| 13:41 | <cyberorg> i wear that one everywhere i go
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| 13:41 | <japerry> I want one of those shirts
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| 13:41 | <laga> does it ever get washed? ;)
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| 13:41 | <japerry> I wonder if there will be some at OSCON
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| 13:41 | <cyberorg> laga, once i take it off ;)
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| 13:42 | japerry, all you need to do is file a lot of bugs on bno to get one
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| 13:42 | <japerry> hehe
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| 13:42 | well starting on that ;-)
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| 13:42 | <cyberorg> *bnc
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| 13:42 | but kiwi-ltsp bugs dont go there
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| 13:43 | <gbolte> http://picasaweb.google.com/jigish.gohil/Bangalore/photo#5170265510993532034 I like that novell booth
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| 13:43 | <japerry> hehe
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| 13:44 | ahh ohmm well I guess I'll have to start filing more bugs then
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| 13:44 | <gbolte> japerry, we need some of this snow action in our ltsp setup http://picasaweb.google.com/jigish.gohil/Opensuse/photo#5144128163319819378
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| 13:44 | <japerry> hheh interesting, everyone in india seems to have nice button down shirts, I'd look way out of place methinks
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| 13:45 | <Skarmeth> hi all
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| 13:45 | <cyberorg> japerry, you wont find me in one of those, i don't own one
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| 13:45 | <Skarmeth> I am trying LTSP 5 with debian etch and I am having problems with VIA RHINE NIC. The boot process stop's on IP-Config phase... any problems with this NIC's? using a intel one works well, all my thin clients use via rhine nic's
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| 13:46 | <japerry> cyberorg: heh nothing like these shirts eh? http://picasaweb.google.com/jigish.gohil/Symposium/photo#5189033316650272658
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| 13:47 | <cyberorg> japerry, i dont have any :(
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| 13:48 | <japerry> me niether.. some days I wonder if I should have more professional dress. I goto MS conferences once in a while around seattle and everyone wears buttondowns it seems.. its fun to poke fun at their stuff
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| 13:48 | <cyberorg> i like kiwi-ltsp logo, may be i'll get some t-shirts done
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| 13:48 | <japerry> heh think novell will sponsor some of those?
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| 13:49 | I hope that once our system is running well and we spread the joy, that some of us can talk about kiwi-ltsp at OSCON or various linuxfest conferences
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| 13:49 | <cyberorg> Skarmeth, you need to catch vagrantc when he is around
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| 13:52 | <gbolte> g-night
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| 14:29 | <slappy> Is there a way to change ldm default language?
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| 16:09 | <gbolte> anyone around
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| 16:12 | <vagrantc> gbolte: just ask:
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| 16:12 | !question
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| 16:12 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "question" is if you have a question about ltsp, please go ahead and ask it, and people will respond if they can. please also mention the linux distro and release you're using. :)
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| 16:13 | <gbolte> vagrantc, you have a ubuntu box?
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| 16:13 | <vagrantc> not i, no.
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| 16:13 | <gbolte> oh
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| 16:13 | damn
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| 16:14 | <vagrantc> but unless you ask your question, nobody can help.
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| 16:15 | <gbolte> I just want to see what the ubuntu sshd server gives as an error if you ssh in to it 3 times incorrectly
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| 16:16 | <Gadi> Permission denied (publickey,password).
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| 16:16 | <gbolte> oooh ok
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| 16:16 | cool
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| 16:16 | thats with 3 attempts or just one
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| 16:17 | <Gadi> 3
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| 16:17 | <gbolte> ok
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| 16:17 | Gadi, thanks thats the problem
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| 16:17 | opensuse throws a different error
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| 16:17 | <Gadi> same with 1
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| 16:17 | ssh -o "NumberOfPasswordPrompts 1" localhost
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| 16:18 | what error do you get?
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| 16:18 | <gbolte> when you try to log in too many times it says Received disconnect from 10.0.5.11: 2: Too many authentication failures for admin
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| 16:18 | or whatever user you are using to login with
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| 16:19 | <Gadi> grep -i maxauthtries /etc/ssh/sshd_config
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| 16:19 | <gbolte> opensuse dose not throw any errors on incorrect password attempts it just prompts again for password
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| 16:19 | I have it set to 0 right now
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| 16:19 | <Gadi> comment it out
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| 16:19 | and restart ssh
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| 16:19 | <gbolte> alright
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| 16:20 | <Gadi> or alternatively, make it >3
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| 16:20 | :)
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| 16:20 | <gbolte> I just commented it out
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| 16:21 | ok now that error message is correct
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| 16:21 | <Gadi> if you want to reuce the number of password prompts, do it on the client not the server
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| 16:21 | <gbolte> ssh admin@10.0.5.11
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| 16:21 | Password:
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| 16:21 | Password:
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| 16:21 | Password:
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| 16:21 | Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive).
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| 16:22 | <Gadi> ie: echo "NumberOfPasswordPrompts 1" >> /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/ssh_config
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| 16:22 | ltsp-update-image
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| 16:22 | <gbolte> on ubuntu dose it say "please try again" when you fail a password
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| 16:23 | <Gadi> yes
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| 16:23 | <gbolte> ah see thats why opensuse is broken
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| 16:23 | it dosent say anything
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| 16:23 | just prompts for password again
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| 16:24 | <Gadi> try the NumberOfPasswordPrompts thing
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| 16:24 | <gbolte> k
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| 16:24 | <Gadi> it will brush the problem under the rug
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| 16:24 | <gbolte> lol
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| 16:24 | <Gadi> :)
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| 16:25 | <gbolte> I wonder how hard it would be to get my ssh server to just say "please try again"
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| 16:25 | lol
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| 16:25 | that would "fix" it too
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| 16:25 | haha
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| 16:27 | in your sshd config Gadi is there a param for that "Please try again"
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| 16:29 | <Gadi> fraid not
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| 16:29 | <gbolte> :/
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| 16:29 | must be compiled in
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| 16:29 | or compiled out of opensuse sshd
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| 16:29 | lol
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| 16:31 | <Gadi> could be from pam
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| 16:32 | <gbolte> Gadi, you might be right
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| 16:32 | <gbolte> in any event ldm dose not work because opensuse has a weird implementation of sshd
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| 16:32 | <Gadi> even with NumberOfPasswordPrompts?
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| 16:33 | <gbolte> Gadi, I have not tried that yet I cant rebuild the image right now
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| 16:33 | I am on one of the clients
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| 16:33 | :P
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| 16:33 | <Gadi> gotcha
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| 16:34 | do you have a shell on that client?
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| 16:34 | <gbolte> nope...but I bet I could ssh into it
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| 16:34 | :D
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| 16:34 | <Gadi> do you have sshd running on it?
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| 16:35 | <gbolte> yeah
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| 16:35 | ook
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| 16:35 | here we go
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| 16:35 | <Gadi> crazy
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| 16:35 | <gbolte> this is a testing lab
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| 16:35 | not much security
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| 16:35 | :P
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| 16:36 | <johnny> gadi :)
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| 16:37 | <Gadi> gbolte: btw - I am pretty sure you can reroll the image from the client without losing your session
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| 16:37 | nbd should be exporting the inode
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| 16:38 | tho i admit, i havent tested this extensively
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| 16:38 | <gbolte> Gadi, your hack works
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| 16:38 | :)
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| 16:38 | <Gadi> :)
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| 16:39 | * Gadi majored in hacks | |
| 16:39 | <Gadi> :)
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| 16:40 | * gbolte has to report Gadi's hack back to the kiwi devzilla | |
| 16:45 | <gbolte> Gadi, http://devzilla.novell.com/kiwi-ltsp/show_bug.cgi?id=8#c3
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| 16:45 | :)
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| 16:48 | * Gadi bows - ltsp hacker at your service | |
| 16:49 | <gbolte> :)
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| 16:50 | * gbolte thinks the real fix will need to come in a patch to sshutils.c | |
| 16:50 | <gbolte> but I am not a programmer and dont know where to start
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| 16:50 | lol
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| 16:51 | <Gadi> no
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| 16:51 | <jammcq> that excuse doesn't work around here
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| 16:51 | <Gadi> the real fix would be to patch ldm
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| 16:51 | <jammcq> Gadi's not a programmer either
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| 16:51 | <Gadi> exactly
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| 16:51 | I finally got you to admit it, jammcq
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| 16:51 | :)
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| 16:51 | <jammcq> darnit.... you got me
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| 16:52 | <Gadi> watch ur language - this is a PG chat room
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| 16:52 | :)
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| 16:52 | <jammcq> most of the guys around here aren't programmers
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| 16:52 | <gbolte> Gadi, sshutils.c is part of the ldm package its the part that interacts with ssh
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| 16:52 | :)
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| 16:52 | <Gadi> oh, right
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| 16:52 | i forget what sbalneav called it
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| 16:52 | its een a while since I hcaked that one up
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| 16:52 | *been
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| 16:53 | <jammcq> we're gonna have to have a serious talk with sbalneav about his lack of attendence
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| 16:53 | <gbolte> line 196 is where the problem is
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| 16:53 | <Gadi> gbolte: so, fix it
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| 16:53 | :)
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| 16:53 | and recompile
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| 16:53 | <vagrantc> jammcq: hrm?
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| 16:53 | <gbolte> well I would but I am not sure what to change it to
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| 16:53 | lol
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| 16:54 | as opensuse dosent give any message when you input a wrong password
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| 16:54 | <vagrantc> jammcq: lack of attendence?
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| 16:55 | <Gadi> gbolte: ldm should present a password prompt when ssh does
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| 16:55 | that simple
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| 16:56 | it shouldnt key off of please try again
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| 16:56 | :)
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| 16:56 | it should key off of assword
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| 16:56 | <gbolte> Gadi, yeah I know
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| 16:56 | haha
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| 16:56 | assword eh?
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| 16:56 | <vagrantc> simple way to work around case-sensitivity with the P
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| 16:56 | <gbolte> I will submit a bug report up to the sshd guys and see if we can get them to call it assword from now on ;)
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| 16:56 | <Gadi> its all about the assword
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| 16:57 | <Gadi> :)
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| 16:57 | <jammcq> vagrantc: yeah, here in the channel. we all miss him so
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| 16:57 | well, at least I do
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| 16:57 | <Q-FUNK> hm
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| 16:57 | <vagrantc> jammcq: ah, indeed.
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| 16:57 | jammcq: i was worried for a second about july
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| 16:57 | <jammcq> we'll have 4 days in portland to hammer that into him
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| 16:57 | <Q-FUNK> warren: what was the offset that you guys ended up using with mkelfimage?
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| 16:57 | <jammcq> he's already bought and paid for the ticket, so I assume he'll be there
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| 16:58 | <gbolte> who is Scott Balneaves
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| 16:58 | <jammcq> he's one of the main LTSP developers
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| 16:58 | <gbolte> k
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| 16:59 | <jammcq> although he's been extremely busy with his day job lately, so we don't get to see much of him
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| 16:59 | <gbolte> yeah we need to get someone fresh on this I think
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| 16:59 | because it really needs a rework
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| 16:59 | <Q-FUNK> where are you guys meeting +
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| 17:00 | <warren> Q-FUNK: 16MB seems to work on most but not all kernels
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| 17:00 | <vagrantc> Q-FUNK: portland, oregon, usa ... july 25th-28th
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| 17:00 | <warren> Q-FUNK: it is actually an accident that hardcoded 8MB works. none of the other loaders use a hard coded value because it doens't work in all cases on all hardware.
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| 17:00 | <Q-FUNK> ok
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| 17:01 | warren: could you paste me th eexact line you're currently using?
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| 17:02 | <warren> um
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| 17:03 | <gbolte> oooh yeah thats right you guys are having a hack fest
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| 17:03 | maybe sshutils.c can gets some action?
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| 17:03 | :P
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| 17:03 | <warren> gbolte: no, it is celibate.
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| 17:03 | <gbolte> damn
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| 17:04 | :P
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| 17:04 | <Gadi> gbolte: that joke will cost you 2 drinks
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| 17:04 | there is a minimum
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| 17:09 | * gbolte sees jammcq did the get_ip.c | |
| 17:09 | <gbolte> :P
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| 19:09 | <Q-FUNK> anybody on hardy with broken LTSP on geode willing to make a test?
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| 19:13 | <lns> Q-FUNK, I'd love to, maybe in a day or two - don't have all the equipment in the same place
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| 19:14 | Just upgraded my first site to Hardy though, like 30min ago.. leaving the office now, but if you need help send me an email
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| 19:40 | <gbolte> hah so I finally got to see what happens in the ldm.log when I dont use the hack that Gadi provided me
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| 19:42 | <gbolte> http://rafb.net/p/HV3crr76.html
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| 19:43 | kinda interesting
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| 19:43 | thats what happens when ldm dosent receive any response from sshd stating that the user needs to "please try again"
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| 19:46 | <johnny> why doen't it?
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| 19:46 | or why does ubuntu's.. either way
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| 19:47 | <gbolte> opensuse has done something to their sshd to make it not give an error when the wrong password is entered
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| 19:47 | <johnny> or wrong user
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| 19:47 | i assume
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| 19:47 | <gbolte> ldm is looking for an error message "please try again." to be specific
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| 19:48 | <johnny> guess ldm needs to be patched
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| 19:48 | <gbolte> yeah I am just trying to figure out how to go about doing that
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| 19:48 | what should ldm look for when the wrong password is entered
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| 19:48 | :/
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| 19:49 | not all distros are the same
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| 19:50 | what needs to happen is that ldm just assumes that the user needs to put in a password whenever it sees a password prompt
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| 19:50 | and then not worry about error messages
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| 19:50 | users know they screwed up when it prompts them for a password again it dosent need to tell them that
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| 19:50 | imo
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| 19:54 | <gbolte> johnny, have you looked at the sshutils.c code any
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| 19:58 | <johnny> been awhile
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| 19:58 | <gbolte> ah
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| 19:58 | <johnny> there must be a reason why it works the way it does..
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| 19:59 | or not :)
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| 19:59 | <gbolte> I am not sure why it works on gentoo
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| 19:59 | because they dont use the please try again message
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| 20:00 | <johnny> i am not sure if it works or not, i haven't tried in a bit..
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| 20:00 | i'll see what we can come up with
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| 20:00 | <gbolte> gbolte@kioskserv02:~> ssh root@10.0.5.1
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| 20:00 | Password:
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| 20:00 | Password:
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| 20:00 | Password:
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| 20:00 | Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive).
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| 20:00 | thats a gentoo box
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| 20:00 | it dose the exact behavior as opensuse
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| 20:01 | ubuntu spits out please try again errors when you screw up
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| 20:02 | <johnny> lemme look at what patches gentoo has added
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| 20:02 | <gbolte> alright
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| 20:02 | cool
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| 20:06 | <johnny> nothin jumps out
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| 20:06 | you should check debian's patches
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| 20:07 | if there is such a patch, debian prolly includes it
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| 20:07 | <gbolte> well they wouldnt need it more than likely
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| 20:07 | but I will check
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| 20:08 | <johnny> well.. it looks like the behaviour ldm relies on, is not standard
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| 20:08 | i could be wrong..
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| 20:08 | <gbolte> yeah
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| 20:08 | <johnny> so debian might have a patch
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| 20:08 | i don't have time look atm, doing paid work atm
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| 20:08 | <gbolte> checking
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| 20:08 | hehe me too
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| 20:08 | ;)
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| 20:22 | <gbolte> I cant find anything
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| 20:22 | :/
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| 22:51 | <new2linux> i cant see any nicknames on this channel using ubuntu distro
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| 22:52 | and my keyboard cant click the apostophre sign
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| 22:55 | <new2linux_> can we use wine on thin-client for it to be able to play games such as warcraft or counter-strike?
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| 22:55 | lan games such as those require different ip and different serial key for each pc
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| 22:56 | would it be a problem to install the lan games on a centrallized system?
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| 22:56 | anybody has already experiencing to install lan games on thin client?
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| 22:56 | share plz
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| 23:00 | and, how to back up the system or restoring system? incase, any user do some changes and make the system error?
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| 23:03 | and, how to setup a router on ubuntu?
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| 23:03 | ive got 2 nic cards on the system, could linux be set up to be a router as well?
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| 23:09 | and i cant import or backup my bookmarks
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| 23:09 | i export the bookmarks from fedora and now trying to import it on ubuntu, using the same firefox
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| 23:10 | <rjune_> new2linux_: it doesn't work well, don't do it.
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| 23:11 | 3d games that is.
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| 23:12 | <new2linux_> thatÅ› what i think about the game
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| 23:12 | not possible right
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| 23:12 | what about 2d online game, also not possible
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| 23:21 | before updating the ubuntu, i could install xchat
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| 23:22 | after installing all the updates, cant install xchat from the add/remove programs
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| 23:22 | or failed to install xchat
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| 23:22 | now, restarting for updates, hopefully the xchat still can be open
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| 23:22 | after rebooting
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| 23:28 | <new2linux_> does the command to go to root on ubuntu is su - ?
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| 23:28 | password auth. failure
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