IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 12 November 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:59 | <mathesis> se vagrantc
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| 00:59 | hi vagrantc
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| 00:59 | how are you ?
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| 00:59 | <johnny_> you never even replied to what i said
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| 00:59 | <vagrantc> mathesis: alright, yourself?
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| 01:00 | <mathesis> fine
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| 01:03 | i need point to sale to super market
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| 01:03 | <johnny_> have you found anything ?
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| 01:03 | anything that might work that is
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| 01:04 | <mathesis> nothing
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| 01:05 | <johnny_> what are they missing?
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| 01:05 | you should write out your requirements
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| 01:06 | it seems like youd' have to either: buy a commercial solution, write your own, or fix up an existing project
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| 01:06 | <johnny_> the cheapest solution atm is to buy a commercial solution
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| 01:07 | obviously a more worthwhile cause would be the other two options
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| 01:14 | <mathesis> hi edgarin
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| 01:14 | hi zodman
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| 01:14 | <zodman> :O
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| 01:15 | <edgarin> hi mathesis
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| 01:15 | zodman, are you from México?
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| 01:15 | <zodman> yeap
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| 01:16 | <edgarin> zodman, I'm Edgarin from Guatemala :D!
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| 01:16 | <zodman> jejej nos conocimos en enli edgar ( we knows on enli puebla)
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| 01:16 | <edgarin> si, jaja xD!
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| 01:16 | <zodman> we meets
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| 01:16 | is a english channel
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| 01:16 | <edgarin> :P!
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| 01:17 | zodman, how are you?
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| 01:18 | zodman, I found a link of LTSP in Yucatan :)
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| 01:18 | <zodman> fine here on my house.
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| 01:18 | yeah ?
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| 01:18 | is a simple web develop behind django
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| 01:18 | http://ltsp.zod.com.mx/ltsp/
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| 01:19 | <edgarin> zodman, yes :)!, when I see you're photo, I say: "Ohh this person I know!"
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| 01:19 | jaja
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| 01:19 | yes, is this
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| 01:19 | zodman, funny photo: http://athena.divshare.com/s03/thumbs/2007/08/22/1684530/1684530-682.jpg
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| 01:19 | xD
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| 01:25 | <zodman> yeah :)
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| 01:28 | <edgarin> zodman, you install 10 terminals with 512mb of RAM?
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| 01:29 | <zodman> yeap
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| 01:29 | with k12ltsp
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| 01:29 | im prefer a ltsp5 with debian
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| 01:29 | <mathesis> K12LTSP its based in red hat?
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| 01:29 | <edgarin> yes
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| 01:29 | <zodman> but im need checkout it ...
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| 01:30 | <edgarin> of course..
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| 01:30 | <zodman> mathesis: it's rigth
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| 01:30 | with ltsp<4.2
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| 01:30 | is good for old obsolets 386 machines
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| 01:30 | <edgarin> zodman, What programs runs on the terminals?
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| 01:30 | yes! :-)!
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| 01:30 | <zodman> gnome :S
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| 01:30 | jejejejeje
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| 01:30 | <edgarin> gnome??
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| 01:30 | xD!
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| 01:31 | <zodman> yeap cosume all ram
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| 01:31 | <edgarin> of course :P!
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| 01:31 | <zodman> but on terminals only run's compiz software
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| 01:31 | gcompris
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| 01:31 | yeah it is
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| 01:31 | <edgarin> ahh ok :)
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| 01:32 | all terminals with amsn running xD!
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| 01:32 | <mathesis> you have installed ltsp to cyber coffe?
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| 01:32 | <edgarin> the server is crashed!! :D!
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| 01:32 | <zodman> :)
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| 01:32 | <edgarin> mathesis, in past time I was mount a cyber with LTSP
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| 01:33 | <zodman> and run quakewars client on it :)
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| 01:33 | is a joke
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| 01:33 | not true
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| 01:33 | <mathesis> thanks edgarin
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| 01:33 | <edgarin> jajaja xD!
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| 01:34 | zodman, nexuiz :P!
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| 01:37 | <mathesis> I stranger my cyber ltsp
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| 01:38 | <zodman> edgarin: are you test tcos ?
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| 01:39 | <edgarin> zodman, nop!
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| 01:40 | <zodman> :oooo
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| 07:30 | <EXP2> is it possible to use local scanner in ltsp5?
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| 07:38 | <mcfloppy_> yeah
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| 07:38 | a 2.6 kernel s running on my netvista n2200 8363EXX
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| 07:50 | <Guaraldo> sbalneav: Does Google Earth can run over LTSP4.2?
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| 09:03 | <outofrange> I want to try and debug pulseaudio on the client. It's getting "Illegal instruction" on the client.
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| 09:04 | I installed gdb but the binary is stripped. Do I have to install a development environment into my chroot? I don't really see any other way.
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| 09:06 | <prpplague> outofrange: generally speaking when you see "Illegal Instruction", that means the binary has been compiled for a processor type that is different that the one you are executing the binary on, i.e. you compiled the binary for I686 and you are running it on a i386 machine
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| 09:06 | <outofrange> Maybe the wrong version ended up in the powerpc repo?
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| 09:07 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> sbalneav, hi
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| 09:07 | <prpplague> outofrange: it was a binary that is in the repo?
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| 09:07 | <outofrange> $ file /opt/ltsp/powerpc/usr/bin/pulseaudio
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| 09:07 | /opt/ltsp/powerpc/usr/bin/pulseaudio: setuid ELF 32-bit MSB executable, PowerPC or cisco 4500, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.1, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
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| 09:07 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> sbalneav, I'll talk about the ltsp at Latin American Free Software Conference
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| 09:08 | <outofrange> Looks ok. And I can run pulseaudio --version and get the version on the powerpc client, so that's not it. Plus it works on newer powerpc IBook
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| 09:08 | <outofrange> Something specific to this older iMac client.
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| 09:09 | So, seems like I might be stuck trying to compile from source unless there's a newer version of the .deb available for powerpc.
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| 09:09 | <prpplague> outofrange: there are different powerpc instruction sets , i would suspect that it is compiled for a newer instruction set
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| 09:10 | <outofrange> So maybe I could just grab the .deb source and build that on the older iMac.
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| 09:10 | Man, that would take forever!
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| 09:10 | It would also bloat my powerpc chroot a bit. Not sure if that's much of a problem or not.
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| 09:22 | Any problem with having extra packages in the $chroot other than taking more time to build the image?
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| 09:23 | <mcfloppy_> what need a ltsp client kernel?
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| 09:24 | <outofrange> ?
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| 09:24 | <mcfloppy_> i got the message: Kernel panic - not syncing VFS unable to miunt root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
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| 09:27 | <xeph> anyway to disable a network card when my thin client boots up? It has two and using the wrong one as eth0...
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| 09:28 | <outofrange> Maybe: ./conf/initramfs.conf:DEVICE=eth0
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| 09:28 | Just a guess (with the help of grep)
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| 09:30 | <xeph> will try
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| 09:30 | thanks!
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| 09:32 | it boots up, gets an IP, and loads the image, but then stalls when it assigns the eth devices to the network cards and tries to get an IP from a device that doesn't have a cable plugged in
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| 09:33 | brb
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| 09:34 | <ogra> outofrange, good guess, he would have to set DEVICE to eth1 in his case ... prob here is that then all his clients will try to boot from eth1 no matter if it exists
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| 09:39 | <xeph> nope - changed it to eth1 and still doesnt work
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| 09:39 | <ogra> you need to regenerate the initramfs and mae ltsp-update-kernels put it into place if you change initramfs.conf
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| 09:40 | but as i said in #edubuntu already, all these chnges will apply to all you clients
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| 09:40 | i.e. if you force booting from eth1 the single NIC ones would break
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| 09:41 | <xeph> ah
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| 09:41 | <ogra> one option would be a script that generates iftab on boot and puts in the right values for eth0
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| 09:41 | <xeph> the thing is - I edited iftab and assigned the devices to eth1 and eth0 and it still didn't work
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| 09:42 | <ogra> is that ubuntu gutsy ?
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| 09:42 | <xeph> no 6.06
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| 09:42 | <ogra> oh, thats antique ...
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| 09:43 | <xeph> :) We didn't have a need to upgrade.
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| 09:43 | we needed more thin clients and the only ones our suppliers had in stock were these dual nic ones
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| 09:43 | <ogra> right, but HW detection was significantly different in ubuntu 1.5 years ago :)
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| 09:44 | <xeph> should I just try upgrading and see how it goes?
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| 09:44 | <Gadi> xeph: are you just trying to disable a network iface in the client?
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| 09:44 | disable in the BIOS
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| 09:44 | done
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| 09:45 | <xeph> can't disable in bios - only allows disabling of primary nic and then it doesn't boot at all
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| 09:45 | <Gadi> you have two onboard NICs?
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| 09:45 | <xeph> gadi, yeah but upon boot
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| 09:45 | Gadi, yes
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| 09:45 | <Gadi> then, there's a jumper on the board no doubt
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| 09:46 | <xeph> It's a little packed thin client with a warranty void is broken sticker :(
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| 09:46 | the primary nic is a Via Rhine and the other is a RealTek RTL8139too
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| 09:47 | would just be great if I could boot of the RealTek
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| 09:47 | <Gadi> well, if you have no other via rhine thin clients, you can blacklist the driver
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| 09:47 | and then reroll the initramfs
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| 09:48 | <ogra> yeah
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| 09:48 | <xeph> no I cant- the Via Rhine is what the thin client uses to boot of
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| 09:48 | <ogra> another thing, did you just try to plug the cable into the other one ?
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| 09:48 | <xeph> I have no other realtek's ... I think
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| 09:48 | <Gadi> xeph: so blacklist the realtek
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| 09:49 | <xeph> how do I do that? delete the driver?
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| 09:49 | <Gadi> no
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| 09:49 | add a line to: /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
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| 09:49 | then: chroot /opt/ltsp/i376 update-initramfs -u
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| 09:49 | <xeph> ogra, I tried it but I get an Intel exited error when I boot up
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| 09:49 | <ogra> then: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ update-initramfs -u
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| 09:49 | and sudo ltsp-update-kernels
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| 09:49 | <Gadi> then ltsp-update-kernels
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| 09:50 | hehe
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| 09:50 | <ogra> Gadi, youre no friend of sudo eh ? :)
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| 09:50 | <xeph> okay - I have to swap switches to do this. Brb. Thanks guys.
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| 09:50 | <Gadi> ogra: Im no friend to carpel tunnel
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| 09:50 | :)
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| 09:50 | <ogra> heh
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| 09:52 | <ogra> sbalneav, so how do i commit to the branches now that you decided to move away from LP ? i thought we agreed to kepp the code under ltsp-drivers so we can use LP for ACLs
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| 09:53 | * ogra also seems to not be able to find all brances now ... i got ltsp and ldm from the now location | |
| 09:54 | <ogra> but cant remember the others and there is no way to search them or read the code
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| 09:56 | s/read/browse/
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| 10:18 | <Guaraldo> Does someone know where jammcq is? I need to talk to him...
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| 10:19 | <prpplague> Guaraldo: he's usually pretty good about responding via email
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| 10:33 | <mcfloppy_> hmmm
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| 10:33 | i need help
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| 10:34 | VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem).
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| 10:34 | VFS: Cannot oen root device "nfs" or unknown-block(0,0)
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| 10:34 | Please append a correct "root=" boot option
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| 10:35 | Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
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| 10:35 | so that are the last rows of text from booting
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| 10:45 | <outofrange> When chroot'ing on the client what about /proc and other directories? I'm not able to install some packages because /proc isn't available.
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| 10:46 | <mcfloppy_> can you help me outofrange
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| 10:46 | <outofrange> Help with what?
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| 10:47 | <mcfloppy_> VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem).
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| 10:47 | VFS: Cannot oen root device "nfs" or unknown-block(0,0)
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| 10:47 | Please append a correct "root=" boot option
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| 10:47 | Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
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| 10:47 | so that are the last rows of text from booting
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| 10:47 | <yopla> do you have option root-path='/opt/ltsp' in dhcpd.conf?
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| 10:47 | <mcfloppy_> moment
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| 10:48 | <outofrange> yopla: what does root-path do in dhcpd.conf? I was trying to understand that the other day.
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| 10:48 | <mcfloppy_> option root-path "/var/opt/ltsp/i386";
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| 10:48 | <yopla> this is used by initrd
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| 10:49 | it is where is nfs root
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| 10:49 | <mcfloppy_> or must i include the ip?
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| 10:49 | <yopla> nope.
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| 10:49 | <mcfloppy_> the other clients are running
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| 10:49 | <yopla> ip is in next-server
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| 10:49 | <mcfloppy_> at the moment i try to compile a kernel for my n2200
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| 10:50 | <outofrange> But if using nbd instead of nfs then root-path is not used?
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| 10:51 | <yopla> donno. nbd is for swap by default
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| 10:51 | what is n2200?
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| 10:51 | <outofrange> In ltsp5? I think nbd is used for the chroot.
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| 10:51 | <mcfloppy_> a thin client
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| 10:51 | <yopla> ho ok
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| 10:52 | <mcfloppy_> http://www.bluetrait.com/archive/2005/7/
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| 10:52 | i must compile a own kernel
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| 10:52 | i think there something wrong in the config file
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| 10:54 | <yopla> which distrib do you use?
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| 10:54 | <mcfloppy_> debian
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| 10:54 | <sutula> mcfloppy_: Why does it need it's own kernel? If it does, maybe it needs it's own chroot.
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| 10:54 | <mcfloppy_> hmm
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| 10:54 | cause the client want the kernel as elf executable
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| 10:55 | <yopla> ltsp-build-client doesn't work?
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| 10:56 | <mcfloppy_> i run it once time.... for the other clients
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| 10:56 | these are running
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| 10:56 | <yopla> OK I think there is something special to do with this client
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| 10:57 | <mcfloppy_> yes
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| 10:57 | everyone says, that no 2.6er kernel is running
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| 10:57 | <yopla> from there : http://linux-2200.berlios.de/
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| 10:57 | <mcfloppy_> but now i found a special hack... and so it runns
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| 10:57 | but now is the next problem...
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| 10:58 | the problem i descriped above
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| 10:58 | <rafaelcardoso> ltsp-build-client for me dont download all files and fail, how i can resolv this
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| 10:58 | <mcfloppy_> rafaelcardoso which distro
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| 10:58 | <rafaelcardoso> ubuntu
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| 10:58 | <mcfloppy_> aptitude update
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| 10:59 | <rafaelcardoso> yeah
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| 10:59 | <mcfloppy_> what?
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| 10:59 | <rafaelcardoso> test with 7.04 and updated to 7.10 and same error
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| 10:59 | error on debconf package
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| 11:00 | <mcfloppy_> hrhr
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| 11:00 | hmm i dont know what i can do
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| 11:01 | yopla have you some more ideeas?
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| 11:03 | <yopla> humm. I think you need special initrd for ltsp
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| 11:03 | <rafaelcardoso> thanks mcfloppy_
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| 11:04 | <yopla> as all mount scripts are in it
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| 11:04 | <mcfloppy_> hmmmm
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| 11:07 | <yopla> try this? http://osdir.com/ml/terminal-server.general/2003-02/msg00300.html
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| 11:08 | <mcfloppy_> ive build the kernel on the server, not in the clients chroot, was this a mistake?
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| 11:09 | yopla but i need a 2.6 kernel for ltsp5 or?
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| 11:10 | <yopla> no, not neceserly
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| 11:11 | <mcfloppy_> yopla i think ltsp need udev
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| 11:11 | <yopla> humm, yes you'r right
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| 11:11 | <mcfloppy_> :)
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| 11:11 | <yopla> perhaps you should use older ltsp for this client?
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| 11:13 | <mcfloppy_> hmmmm 2 ltsp installations?
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| 11:13 | <ogra> ltsp5 only works with 2.6
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| 11:13 | <mcfloppy_> orga do you have an idea? ;=
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| 11:13 | :)
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| 11:13 | <ogra> it needs initramfs and udev
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| 11:13 | <mcfloppy_> VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem).
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| 11:13 | VFS: Cannot oen root device "nfs" or unknown-block(0,0)
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| 11:13 | Please append a correct "root=" boot option
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| 11:13 | Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
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| 11:13 | so that are the last rows of text from booting
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| 11:14 | <ogra> what distro/release ?
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| 11:14 | <mcfloppy_> debian
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| 11:14 | ltsp5
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| 11:14 | own kernel
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| 11:14 | <ogra> how did you build that kernel ?
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| 11:14 | or rather where
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| 11:14 | inside the chroot ?
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| 11:14 | <mcfloppy_> no...
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| 11:15 | in the root from the server
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| 11:15 | <ogra> the initramfs needs the settings that are in the chroot
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| 11:15 | <mcfloppy_> ok
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| 11:15 | i rebuilt
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| 11:15 | :)
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| 11:16 | <ogra> copy initramfs and kernel into /boot of the chroot
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| 11:16 | <mcfloppy_> ok
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| 11:16 | <ogra> chroot into it and run update-initramfs -u
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| 11:16 | exit the chroot again
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| 11:16 | <mcfloppy_> where can i find initramfs?
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| 11:16 | <ogra> run ltsp-update-kernels on the server
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| 11:16 | <mcfloppy_> must i run make install?
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| 11:17 | <ogra> well, you should have one in the kernel packge you created
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| 11:17 | <mcfloppy_> cause i need a elf executable as kernel
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| 11:17 | <ogra> (assumong you used the deban tools like make-kpkg to build it)
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| 11:17 | <yopla> make-kpkg is your friend
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| 11:17 | <ogra> man, i need a new keyboard
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| 11:18 | <mcfloppy_> ogra i build with the "old" way
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| 11:18 | i used make menuconfig and make
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| 11:18 | <yopla> ogra: new fingers? :)
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| 11:18 | <mcfloppy_> then i took the file arch/i386/boot/compressed/vmlinux
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| 11:18 | <ogra> yopla, that would be an option as well ...
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| 11:19 | yopla, the disadvantage would be that new fingers wont give me a new laptop alongside ... i'm just looking for an excuse to spend money ;)
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| 11:19 | <yopla> lol
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| 11:19 | <ogra> mcfloppy_, thats not the compressed kernel image ...
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| 11:19 | <mcfloppy_> yes i know
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| 11:20 | i need the uncompressed
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| 11:20 | but this is the right file
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| 11:20 | <ogra> huh ?
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| 11:22 | <yopla> mcfloppy_ : aptitude install karnel-package
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| 11:23 | <mcfloppy_> yopla hm?
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| 11:24 | <yopla> it is to build kernels debain way
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| 11:24 | debian
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| 11:24 | <mcfloppy_> yes i know
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| 11:25 | i do so now
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| 11:25 | <yopla> make-kpkg --with initrd --........ un /usr/src/own-kernel-src
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| 11:25 | <mcfloppy_> $ make-kpkg kernel_image --rootcmd fakeroot --revision meinkernel.01
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| 11:25 | hehe
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| 11:25 | <ogra> mcfloppy_, the thing is that ltsp5 is all about using distro packages ... so none of the ltsp devs actually touches the kernel apart from blacklisting modules or so ...
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| 11:26 | <mcfloppy_> ok
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| 11:26 | <ogra> if i miss anything in ubuntu i ping the kernel team ... same goes for vagrantc in debian
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| 11:26 | all i need to do then is playing with configs ... but i didnt build any kernel during the last two years
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| 11:27 | what do you try to achieve with the custom kernel ?
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| 11:27 | its probably possible with the existing one without rebuilding
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| 11:28 | <yopla> it is for an ibm thin client (2200)
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| 11:28 | <mcfloppy_> hmmm
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| 11:28 | i need the uncompressed kernel image
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| 11:28 | <ogra> oh, a netvista ?
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| 11:28 | <yopla> yes yes
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| 11:28 | <ogra> hmm, i still dont have such HW ...
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| 11:29 | * ogra remembers cliebow wanted to give him one at the BTS meeting last weekend ... seems we both forgot about that ... damned | |
| 11:29 | <mcfloppy_> hehe
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| 11:30 | <yopla> it seems quite hard to put ltsp in it
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| 11:30 | <mcfloppy_> next try to boot
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| 11:30 | i think there are many people who wait for a solution
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| 11:31 | damn...... same error :(
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| 11:31 | <xeph> ogra, Gadi: hey guys - blacklisting that driver worked
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| 11:31 | thanks
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| 11:31 | <ogra> :)
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| 11:31 | <mcfloppy_> i made a kpkg deb file and installed in chroot... then i updated the kernels
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| 11:32 | <xeph> now I have another little problem :) I get to the ubuntu login screen, login and X dies and the login screen shows up again.
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| 11:32 | <ogra> xeph, just dont forget about it if you once try to add a client with that HW ;)
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| 11:32 | xeph, that was dapper, right ?
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| 11:32 | <xeph> ogra, yeah, lol
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| 11:32 | <ogra> sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 11:32 | <xeph> ogra, dapper correct
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| 11:32 | <ogra> then try again
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| 11:33 | <xeph> okay lemme go try - brb
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| 11:33 | <mcfloppy_> ogra any more ideas with my problem?
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| 11:33 | <yopla> for minimal x-client i install vnc4server then xterm
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| 11:34 | <ogra> mcfloppy_, apart from knowing that many people didnt manage to make it work before you .... no ... i'd need the HW to fiddle with it
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| 11:34 | <mcfloppy_> hehe
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| 11:35 | <yopla> does someone know how to hide system menu in icewm? (/usr/share/menu)
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| 11:35 | i've tried with empty menu file without success
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| 11:40 | <xeph> ogra, hey. I updated the ssh keys and its doing the same thing :/
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| 11:40 | <ogra> sshd is running ?
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| 11:40 | <xeph> yup
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| 11:40 | <yopla> What desktop do you have installed?
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| 11:41 | <xeph> gnome
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| 11:41 | <ogra> check /var/log/auth.log on the server
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| 11:42 | if there is nothing suspicious, check the users ~/.xsession-errors
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| 11:42 | <xeph> I have - it accepts the password then opens a session for the user
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| 11:42 | <ogra> sounds ok ... seesm the ssh part works then
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| 11:42 | <xeph> okay, I'll try that. Brb
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| 11:43 | <yopla> What are the VARIABLES to Enable autologin with LDM?
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| 11:44 | <mcfloppy_> damn
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| 11:44 | hrhr
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| 11:44 | <yopla> i'm running edgy
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| 11:45 | <ogra> yopla, no way for autologin in edgy
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| 11:45 | <yopla> :-(
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| 11:45 | <ogra> for feisty there is a patched ldm
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| 11:45 | in gutsy its supported by default
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| 11:45 | <yopla> I should dist-upgre to gusty then?
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| 11:46 | or just the chroot?
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| 11:46 | <xeph> ogra, there's no ~/.xsession-error file
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| 11:47 | <ogra> can the user log in locally on the server ?
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| 11:47 | <xeph> yup
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| 11:47 | <ogra> yopla, you need to upgrade both
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| 11:47 | the gutsy chroot expects things only the gutsy ltsp offers on the server side
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| 11:48 | <yopla> aaargh!
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| 11:48 | <ogra> both sides need to be in sync, else things might break
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| 11:48 | <yopla> this is not really matter as the server only runs ltsp
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| 11:48 | <ogra> xeph, i mean in gdm ...
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| 11:49 | <yopla> I shoud do edgy->feisty->gusty ort gusty directly?
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| 11:49 | <ogra> edgy->gutsy isnt supported or tested by the ubuntu team ...
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| 11:49 | so might or might not work
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| 11:49 | <xeph> ogra, ah - the server is headless
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| 11:49 | <ogra> edgy->feisty->gusty works and is supported
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| 11:50 | <yopla> ogra: Thank you
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| 11:50 | <xeph> any idea if dapper->gutsy is supported?
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| 11:50 | <ogra> yopla, if you love the risk you can try the first indeed :)
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| 11:50 | xeph, nope, isnt ...
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| 11:50 | <xeph> okay :)
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| 11:50 | <ogra> dapper->hary will be, as they both are long term support releases
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| 11:50 | *hardy
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| 11:51 | but hardy wont happen before april
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| 11:51 | <xeph> yet another reason to update regularly
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| 11:52 | <yopla> ogra: what irc command to put wonder text?
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| 11:53 | <ogra> wonder text `
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| 11:53 | ?
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| 11:53 | <yopla> no like this one : "remembers cliebow wanted to give him one at the BTS meeting last weekend ... seems we both forgot about that ... damned"
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| 11:54 | <ogra> /me remembers cliebow wanted to give him one at the BTS meeting last weekend
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| 11:54 | <yopla> i'm quite irc newbie indeed
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| 11:54 | * ogra remembers cliebow wanted to give him one at the BTS meeting last weekend | |
| 11:54 | <yopla> ok cool
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| 11:54 | <ogra> (without the space in front)
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| 11:55 | * yopla loves risk and tries edgy-gusty | |
| 11:55 | <ogra> dont blame ubuntu if it breas though :)
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| 11:55 | *breaks
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| 11:56 | <xeph> any idea where X log files are kept?
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| 11:56 | <yopla> i wont :)
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| 11:56 | <ogra> for the X server itself in /var/log
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| 11:56 | for the X session in ~/.xsession-errors of the user
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| 11:57 | <xeph> hmm and what if I said the are no X log files in /var/log :)
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| 11:57 | <ogra> for the thin client X server in /var/log on the running client (in a tmpfs)
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| 12:00 | <xeph> thanks ogra for all your help. I'm calling it a night. Thanks again!
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| 12:00 | <ogra> sleep well
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| 12:05 | <ogra> sbalneav, the Makefile as well as the directory structure of the ltsp branch on ltsp-org is totally broken ...
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| 12:06 | * ogra curses lodly ... why coultnt it just stay on LP *SIGH* so i coult at least commit fixes ... | |
| 12:06 | * ogra gives up ... no new ltsp in hardy today then | |
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| 12:24 | <^Migs^> holy crap: http://www.glumbert.com/media/ridehell
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| 15:13 | <lns> Can anyone verify the functionality of the RCFILE_01 variable in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/arch/lts.conf ? I'm trying to run a script that used to fix the problem I have with headphone-jack-sense, but it's not running it. Running it manually works fine, however.
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| 15:13 | It just seems plain broken in gutsy.
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| 15:16 | <vagrantc> lns: grep RCFILE /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/ltsp-client*
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| 15:17 | <lns> vagrantc, can you verify exactly where I need to have the actual scripts, and how I call them in the variable?
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| 15:18 | Right now i have a script called /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/ipaqsoundfix
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| 15:18 | and the RCFILE line in my /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf reads:
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| 15:18 | RCFILE_01 = ipaqsoundfix
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| 15:19 | <vagrantc> lns: try /etc/init.d/ipaqsoundfix
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| 15:19 | <johnny_> it would be on the server?
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| 15:19 | hmm
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| 15:19 | <vagrantc> RCFILE_01 = /etc/init.d/ipaqsoundfix
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| 15:19 | <lns> I'm pretty sure i've tried with that as well
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| 15:19 | <johnny_> never would have guessed
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| 15:19 | oh ok
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| 15:19 | full path included
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| 15:19 | on the chroot :)
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| 15:19 | <vagrantc> lns: well, i'm totally sure it's full path, relative to the chroot
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| 15:20 | <lns> vagrantc, ok, well i'll try that again =) thank you
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| 15:20 | <vagrantc> being that i wrote the code
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| 15:20 | <lns> =)
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| 15:20 | I hope it's just that, i have to wait till tomorrow to try, today is a school holiday
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| 15:20 | <vagrantc> lns: are other settings in your lts.conf being respected?
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| 15:20 | <lns> i <3 ssh/gdm vnc access though. =) just need an ip kvm for a thin client and i'll never have to leave my office ;)
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| 15:21 | vagrantc, yes
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| 15:21 | <vagrantc> i've set up remote thin clients using a serial console before
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| 15:21 | <lns> ooo, spicy
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| 15:21 | <johnny_> i hadn't had luck with an external lts.conf tho :(
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| 15:22 | <lns> serial doesn't do much for graphical sessions though ,right?
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| 15:22 | <vagrantc> lns: no, no graphical sessions
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| 15:22 | * johnny_ thinks about local apps again | |
| 15:22 | <johnny_> i wonder..
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| 15:22 | <vagrantc> but i can at least see that it boots and what processes are running
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| 15:22 | poke at log files, etc...
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| 15:22 | <johnny_> if there was an easier way to enable local apps per client, in case of a crazy mixed env
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| 15:23 | <vagrantc> johnny_: it's in progress
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| 15:23 | <lns> that's a good idea vagrantc ... after it boots graphically you can always use thin-client-manager i guess
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| 15:23 | <vagrantc> i got my hands on a machine that supports serial console ... once in a while you get a kernel panic and you have to get someone to manually reboot it, though.
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| 15:24 | <lns> btw, does thin-client-manager use vino (I.E. does a user have to be logged in)?
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| 15:24 | <vagrantc> but even machines without built-in serial console aren't too hard to set up.
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| 15:24 | <lns> that would be nice, because most all of my thin clients are the same hardware
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| 15:24 | <johnny_> vagrantc, can you verify if the solution mentioned here is the proper one ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/160420
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| 15:24 | * vagrantc doesn't know much about thin-client-manager | |
| 15:25 | <johnny_> or if it will cause any problems
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| 15:25 | <lns> OT: Just for fun, today i tried booting my new asus eee pc via ltsp...didn't work, couldn't find eth0 after it loaded the kernel :(
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| 15:26 | <johnny_> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.terminal-server.general/22270
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| 15:26 | that's the actual linked post
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| 15:30 | <vagrantc> johnny_: having read that URL and most of the links, i don't really see a proposed solution ... ?
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| 15:33 | though i don't really know what's broken, so i couldn't really say what was right or wrong. i'd have to reproduce the bug myself.
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| 15:34 | <vagrantc> johnny_: ah, the gmane post ... yes, that looks about right.
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| 15:36 | johnny_: looks like the same issue as: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-ltsp-devel/2007-November/001095.html
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| 15:38 | hmm... i'm going to have a hard time testing this stuff in the next 4 weeks
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| 15:38 | <johnny_> vagrantc well i pointed out the bug, so you'd get some context to the linked gmame post
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| 15:39 | <johnny_> i was getting no local devices working
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| 15:39 | so.. this should be a good temp fix for me
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| 15:39 | i will attempt to apply it tonight
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| 18:12 | <jammcq> hey all
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| 18:14 | <vagrantc> jammcq: heya
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| 18:15 | jammcq: wondering what would be good realease goals/roadmaps for the tarball/tag releases for ltsp and such
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| 18:15 | <jammcq> umm
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| 18:15 | umm
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| 18:15 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 18:15 | <jammcq> let's get scotty in on that, and prolly ogra
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| 18:15 | <vagrantc> sure, sure.
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| 18:15 | probably best to do via ltsp-developer
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| 18:16 | <jammcq> yeah, warren has been asking that we do developer communications via that list
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| 18:16 | which is fine with me
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| 18:16 | although I prefer the real-time nature of irc
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| 18:16 | <vagrantc> i think i've got ldm and ltsp building for debian with the new sources, shouldn't be too hard to get jetpipe and ltspfs
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| 18:17 | <jammcq> nice
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| 18:17 | <vagrantc> jammcq: i can see the importance of using the mailing list, to at least summarize discussions of important issues
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| 18:17 | that way there's at least an archive of what happened
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| 18:17 | <jammcq> yeah, the list lives in archives, which is good
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| 18:19 | <vagrantc> i'm really happy to finally see LDM split out... the ltsp portion of the sources is 100-200k now, and can be updated independently of ldm
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| 18:19 | <jammcq> great
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| 18:19 | <vagrantc> though all the ubuntu themes comprise 75% of the current LDM sources
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| 18:20 | which is about 2.2MB with .tar.gz
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| 18:27 | <ogra> vagrantc, could we please drop the dist dir
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| 18:28 | <vagrantc> ogra: ?
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| 18:28 | <jammcq> ogra: hey, you back home now?
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| 18:28 | <ogra> jammcq, yep
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| 18:28 | vagrantc, didnt you use scotts branch from ltsp.org ?
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| 18:28 | <vagrantc> ogra: yes
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| 18:29 | * ogra is still bitter we dont use ltsp-drivers as agreed, i'd love to commit stuff :/ | |
| 18:29 | <jammcq> why don't we use ltsp-drivers?
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| 18:29 | <ogra> jammcq, no idea
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| 18:29 | <vagrantc> ogra: you don't like all the code in dist ? i tend to agree, but i wasn't involved in why it was done that way...
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| 18:29 | <ogra> all i know is that th current code is on ltsp.org
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| 18:29 | so i cant commit
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| 18:29 | <jammcq> ok, but can't ltsp-drivers be setup on ltsp.org?
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| 18:29 | <vagrantc> yeah, that's an awful place for LTSP code :P
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| 18:30 | <ogra> the idea of ltsp-drivers was to have ACLs for a team that can commit
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| 18:30 | <jammcq> does ltsp-drivers == commit-access ?
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| 18:30 | <ogra> so we can work collaborative on the code
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| 18:30 | yes
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| 18:30 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 18:31 | well, ltsp.org is where it's at. let's figure out how to permit commit access
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| 18:33 | <ogra> vagrantc, instead of having dist and cp'ing the code around in the makefile i think we should drop dist and move the code back up one level and just do a proper bzr export (like in the bzr-release target in rules)
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| 18:33 | <vagrantc> ogra: i concur.
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| 18:33 | <ogra> debian should go in its own branch ...
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| 18:34 | <vagrantc> ogra: but i had *nothing* to do with deciding on dist
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| 18:34 | <jammcq> nothing is cast in stone. if moving dist helps, lets move it
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| 18:34 | <ogra> jammcq, its useless and doesnt look very pretty
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| 18:35 | <jammcq> you mean dist where it is?
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| 18:35 | * ogra tries hard to not say ugly .... | |
| 18:35 | <ogra> jammcq, do you have the current branch ?
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| 18:35 | <jammcq> no
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| 18:35 | umm, maybe
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| 18:35 | * ogra sighs he cant show it quickly on LP | |
| 18:36 | <jammcq> if moving dist makes sense, lets move it
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| 18:36 | <ogra> that branch should at least be mirrored ... i'm missing my tools :)
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| 18:36 | removing
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| 18:38 | pull the code in dist up one level ... remove the debian dir, fix the makefile to do bzr export --format=tgz; bzr export --format=tbz2
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| 18:38 | ;)
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| 18:38 | saves half of the Makefile scripting
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| 18:38 | <ogra> creates tar.gz and tar.bz2 and is way cleaner ....
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| 18:39 | <ogra> debian/ goes in its own branch ...
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| 18:43 | <vagrantc> ogra: sounds like you and otavio and i are largely on the same page ...
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| 18:44 | i just posted to ltsp-developer, if y'all want to add some comments on this
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| 18:44 | <ogra> well, i like the idea of just merging upstream+debian-dir branches
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| 18:44 | and warren gets his tarballs
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| 18:49 | * vagrantc looks forward to using tarballs as well | |
| 18:54 | <johnny_> anybody else here use dnsmasq over the standard dhcpd ?
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| 18:54 | for tftp/dns/dhcp
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| 18:56 | <vagrantc> it does tftp too ?
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| 18:56 | i've used it for DNS and DHCP in the past ...
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| 18:56 | <johnny_> yes it does
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| 18:56 | it works here
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| 18:56 | pretty neat huh
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| 18:56 | <vagrantc> what version?
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| 18:56 | <johnny_> uhmm.. whatever is in ubuntu for the past 6 months?
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| 18:57 | lemme check
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| 18:57 | need to learn how to query apt for that kinda info
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| 18:57 | <vagrantc> 2.39 is in gutsy
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| 18:57 | apt-cache policy dnsmasq
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| 18:58 | <johnny_> 2.39-1
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| 18:58 | i had it working with feisty too
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| 18:58 | and perhaps edgy
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| 18:58 | <vagrantc> looks like debian builds it without tftp support
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| 18:58 | <johnny_> the info says it has tftp..
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| 18:58 | <ogra> likely only synced by MOTU
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| 18:59 | <johnny_> reminds me why i use gentoo at home :)
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| 18:59 | <ogra> it has no ubuntuX version
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| 18:59 | should be identical to the debian package
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| 18:59 | <vagrantc> so 2.40-1 in hardy will also likely not have tftp support
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| 18:59 | <johnny_> it says this
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| 18:59 | nfigured either in each host or
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| 18:59 | in a central configuration file. Dnsmasq supports static and dynamic
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| 18:59 | DHCP leases and BOOTP/TFTP for network booting of diskless machines.
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| 18:59 | oops.. only meant the last sentence to copy
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| 19:00 | <vagrantc> yes, but debian disables the tftp support
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| 19:00 | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/d/dnsmasq/dnsmasq_2.40-1/changelog
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| 19:00 | well ...
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| 19:00 | maybe i'm misreading it
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| 19:00 | maybe it's not disabled by default, they just make it possible to disable
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| 19:01 | <ogra> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dnsmasq/
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| 19:01 | ubuntu uses only the debian package ... no ubuntu additions in that changelog
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| 19:02 | * vagrantc wonders if it has all the features needed for PXE | |
| 19:02 | <johnny_> oops.. thougth i was using it, somehow some other tftp client got installed
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| 19:02 | :(
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| 19:02 | yes it is supposed to
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| 19:02 | why is it disabled tho?
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| 19:02 | it makes no sense
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| 19:02 | i had it working on another distro with dnsmasq, looks like some other thing got installed instead on this one
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| 19:02 | guess i'll have to roll my own deb
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| 19:03 | <ogra> ask the maintainer or check the upstream changelog
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| 19:03 | <johnny_> uggh
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| 19:03 | evil debian
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| 19:03 | <ogra> probably it was disabled upstream
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| 19:03 | <johnny_> i would doubt it
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| 19:03 | <vagrantc> i'm not convinced it's disabled
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| 19:03 | <ogra> the maintainer apprently doesnt like to list upstream changes in the package changelog
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| 19:05 | <vagrantc> i think i misread, i think it actually is enabled by default, they just added an option to disable it during package build-time
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| 19:05 | <johnny_> aha.. well this would have helped.. new feature in 2.40
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| 19:05 | on't set REUSEADDR on TFTP listening socket. There's no
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| 19:05 | need to do so, and it creates confusing behaviour when
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| 19:05 | inetd is also listening on the same port. Thanks to Erik
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| 19:05 | Brown for spotting the problem.
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| 19:06 | uggh
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| 19:06 | ok sorry
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| 19:06 | i'll reformat next time so it fits on two lines :(
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| 19:06 | that is the problem i'm having with some installed tftp conflicting, at least now i know where it comes from.. inetd
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| 19:06 | which i never use on any other server i have
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| 19:07 | yay.. stupid inetd
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| 19:12 | <johnny_> ok.. testing to verify
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| 19:22 | <johnny_> success
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| 19:22 | yay.. ok tftp works for sure
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| 19:22 | via dnsmasq that is
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| 19:23 | <ogra> i should add a "or" dependency then so ou can install it without inetd
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| 19:23 | * ogra makes a note ... | |
| 19:25 | <johnny_> the normal tftpd you mean?
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| 19:25 | <ogra> we only depend on tftpd-hpa currently
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| 19:25 | <johnny_> well yeah that
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| 19:25 | well other things use inetd
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| 19:25 | <ogra> tftpd-hpa | dnsmasq might help
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| 19:25 | <johnny_> hehe
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| 19:28 | ldminfod,nbdrootd,nbdswapd
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| 19:28 | they all use inetd
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| 19:28 | * johnny_ is learning far more about ltsp than he expected | |
| 19:29 | <johnny_> maybe cuz i keep pushing the envelope :)
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| 19:35 | <ogra> :)
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| 19:36 | <jammcq> ogra: you still living on EST ?
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| 19:36 | <ogra> nope
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| 19:36 | at least i'm not supposed to :P
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| 19:37 | * ogra hears grumbling sounds from the bed | |
| 19:38 | <ogra> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2007-November/129263.html
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| 19:38 | intresting use of nbd :)
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| 19:40 | i bet it would work ... just not really performant if you do i RW i guess
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| 19:40 | *it RW
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| 19:44 | ok, i'll go and fight the jetlag ...
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| 19:44 | night
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| 21:31 | <kwak> anyone who can assist in updating my openoffice installation to the latest. I'm using K12LTSP 5EL
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| 21:39 | <warren> ogra, what directory is Edubuntu using instead of /tftpboot now?
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| 21:39 | ogra, what about the location where chroots are installed?
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| 21:39 | <jammcq> I think tftp is /var/lib/tftp
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| 21:39 | and the chroots are still /opt I think
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| 21:45 | <barbara> ogra, you on?
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| 21:46 | i had a question about ltsp and compiz. I am running gutsy and chrooted into ltsp dir installed nvidia drivers and when i try to enable compiz I get "No whitelisted driver found"
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| 21:48 | also when i boot my clients they will give me invalid username or password most of the time but if open shell tty and ping my server 10.0.0.1 they will log in fine... any ideas?
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