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Channel log from 29 November 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:43 | <ball> What's a good book on LTSP?
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| 00:45 | <johnny> are there any?
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| 00:45 | the documentation in the topic is all i know about
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| 00:46 | or the documentation on the ubuntu wiki
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| 00:46 | ball, ltsp is evolving too fast to write a book about it atm i think..
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| 00:46 | any book would be obsolete by the time it came out
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| 00:46 | a book written 3 months ago wouldn't have mentioned the new local applications support for example
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| 00:55 | <ball> Hmm... I suppose that makes sense.
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| 01:05 | <johnny> perhaps in the next year it will be stablilized somewhat
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| 01:05 | i'd suggest reading the docs in the topic
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| 01:06 | g'night
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| 01:18 | <ball> Goodnight.
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| 03:05 | <jkm> Hello
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| 08:26 | <WeeD_> what is the advantage of using LTSP 5 and not the LTSP 2
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| 08:26 | what is the advantage of using LTSP 5 and not the LTSP 4.2
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| 08:33 | <Nubae> for one, LTSP 5 is supported and ltsp 4.2 isn't
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| 08:36 | <petre> sound is much easier to get working in LTSP 5
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| 08:36 | Flash, too
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| 08:36 | <Nubae> and local devices
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| 08:36 | <petre> 4.2 supported local devices
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| 08:37 | but Nubae is right that the code has been refined since 4.2
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| 08:37 | 5 also will have better support for new graphic cards/chips in the clients
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| 08:38 | <petre> 5 also is now getting support for local apps
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| 08:38 | <Nubae> then there is local apps, fat client, ltsp-cluster
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| 08:38 | :-)
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| 08:38 | <petre> so, 4.2 is arguably simpler, but by that same token, it is less capable
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| 08:39 | <Nubae> I guess the biggest advantage is that ltsp 5 is now an upstream project as opposed to a distro
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| 08:39 | <petre> yes, much more easily applied to whichever distro you want to run
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| 08:50 | <WeeD_> how i remove ltsp 4.2 for my debian ?
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| 08:50 | because i want to install ltsp 5 now
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| 09:02 | <WeeD_> petre
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| 09:02 | Nubae
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| 09:02 | how i remove ltsp 4.2 for my debian ?
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| 09:02 | because i want to install ltsp 5 now
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| 09:02 | <petre> WeeD_, not sure, I'm not a debian person
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| 09:02 | the best person to ask would be vagrantc, but he's on the west coast of the US, meaning he's probably still sleeping
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| 09:02 | <WeeD_> ok.. but i dont know purge ltsp 4.2 any distribuiton
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| 09:03 | ok.. but you dont know purge ltsp 4.2 any distribuiton?
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| 09:03 | <petre> with 4.2 much/most of the code was contained in /opt/ltsp
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| 09:03 | you might be able to just remove that
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| 09:04 | <WeeD_> rm -r /opt/ltsp resolved?
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| 09:04 | <petre> but I think the dhcp stuff is different, so you may want to remove the dhcpd package
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| 09:04 | <WeeD_> ok
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| 09:04 | * petre is kinda guessing here | |
| 09:04 | <WeeD_> but my server LTSP is dhcp server too
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| 09:04 | petre
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| 09:05 | <petre> oh, then don't remove dhcpd package
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| 09:05 | <WeeD_> ok
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| 09:05 | thanks boy
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| 09:05 | <petre> do you have two NICs in your server?
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| 09:06 | <WeeD_> | |
| 09:06 | ex 192.168.1.100 to 192.168.1.200
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| 09:08 | <petre> in ltsp 5, some of the stuff that used to be in /opt/ltsp gets moved to being under /tftp, which varies by distro
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| 09:08 | that may be more difficult to make work with a single NIC in 5
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| 09:08 | It is for Fedora, which I use; not sure about Debian
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| 09:09 | <WeeD_> ok
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| 09:13 | <petre> stgraber, ping
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| 11:32 | <stgraber> pepong
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| 11:32 | argh
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| 15:04 | <petre> for a printer attached to a client, do I need to do anything besides put a 'PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/lp0' line in lts.conf under the MAC address of the thin client?
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| 15:06 | <petre> doh! nm, configured wrong server
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| 15:44 | <petre> I should be able to telnet to port 9100 on the client which has a printer connected to it, right?
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| 15:58 | <stgraber> petre: pong
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| 16:14 | <petre> stgraber, you mentioned putting NX onto a laptop or netbook and connecting over wireless to the LTSP server
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| 16:15 | <petre> was that a custom image on the client? or just a stock version? or something else?
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| 16:16 | <johnny> you could use any distro minimal install to do that
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| 16:17 | after installing NX of course..
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| 16:18 | <stgraber> yeah, we have a minimal Ubuntu for that
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| 16:19 | basically a debootstrapped system with X and an init script to start X and NX
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| 16:35 | <petre> stgraber, is that documented anywhere?
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| 16:38 | <stgraber> petre: nope, we don't have any customer using it so it was just quickly done as an experiment and not documented. It's basically: debootstrap Ubuntu 8.10 on a ext3 usb key, install ubuntu-minimal and ubuntu-standard, install Xorg, install NX (binary taken from nomachine), make rc.local to do a dhcp request and start X+NX. Then setup grub and you're done.
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| 16:38 | it's very similar to a LTSP chroot actually
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| 16:39 | <petre> ok, that gives me an outline of the steps, which is good enough
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| 16:39 | tx
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| 16:56 | <petre> ok, back to printing: I cannot telnet to port 9100 on the client that has the printer attached
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| 16:56 | any suggestions what to look at?
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| 17:01 | <petre> wish there was a 'lsusb' command on the clients
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| 17:02 | <jammcq> so put one there
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| 17:04 | <petre> hey jammcq!
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| 17:04 | <jammcq> he petre
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| 17:04 | <petre> actually, I did, right after I typed my lament
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| 17:05 | and it sees the printer
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| 17:05 | should I see jetpipe or similar in ps -ef on the client?
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| 17:06 | I suspect that is what is missing?
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| 17:06 | <jammcq> I have no clue
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| 17:06 | i've been out of the loop too long
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| 17:06 | <petre> I fooled around with jetpipe but that was at least year ago, probably longer
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| 17:07 | <stgraber> jetpipe being a deamon it should be running yes
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| 17:07 | I have never used it though
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| 17:07 | <petre> hmm, I have a /usr/bin/jetpipe
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| 17:08 | but when I try to load it I get an error:
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| 17:08 | "File /usr/sbin/jetpipe, line 40, in <module> import serial
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| 17:09 | ImportError: No module named serial"
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| 17:09 | <stgraber> do you have python-serial installed ?
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| 17:09 | or whatever it's called in fedora
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| 17:10 | <petre> no, and yum lists no such package
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| 17:10 | I've got a setserial package
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| 17:10 | for setting serial ports
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| 17:10 | but that's probably not what it's looking for
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| 17:11 | <stgraber> and pyserial ?
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| 17:12 | <petre> ah, pyserial looks promising
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| 17:12 | <stgraber> yeah, pyserial is the upstream name for python-serial
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| 17:12 | ubuntu/debian tries to call python-<the thing you import> instead of using the upstream name for all python modules
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| 17:13 | <stgraber> but the upstream for python-serial is pyserial so it should be what you need
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| 17:14 | <petre> why don't they just use the upstream name?
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| 17:15 | <stgraber> it's easier to list all the python packages on the system looking for python-*, I suspect python-support and python-central (things used to handle python modules) also use sort of need that naming
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| 17:15 | s/use//
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| 17:16 | <petre> hmm, still failed, same error
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| 17:16 | dinner time, bbiab
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| 19:07 | <Guevara> hi everybody
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| 19:08 | how do I edit the size of the folders of users of the ltsp?
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| 19:09 | <Guevara> elisboa: fala portugues?
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| 19:09 | <jammcq> au nao fala portugues
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| 19:09 | <Guevara> jammcq: pode me dar uma dica?
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| 19:09 | <jammcq> au fala um poco de portugues
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| 19:10 | boa noite
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| 19:10 | <Guevara> boa noite jammcq
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| 19:10 | <jammcq> that's about all I know :)
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| 19:10 | <Guevara> jammcq: how do I edit the size of the folders of users of the ltsp?
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| 19:10 | <jammcq> size of folders?
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| 19:10 | what folders?
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| 19:10 | <Guevara> folders of users
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| 19:11 | users that the system
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| 19:11 | <jammcq> umm, that's a basic Linux question. Maybe you need quotas
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| 19:11 | <Guevara> Ubuntu 8.04
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| 19:12 | yes, i look this http://beginlinux.com/server_training/126-linux-terminal-server/1057-managing-users-in-ltsp
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| 19:12 | but, you know a front-end for this?
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| 19:12 | <jammcq> Limiting Disk Space with Quotas
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| 19:12 | <Guevara> i need a graphical editor for this
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| 19:12 | <jammcq> that's what you need
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| 19:12 | why?
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| 19:12 | <Guevara> how i do?
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| 19:14 | <jammcq> I've never used quotas
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| 19:14 | so I don't think I can help
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| 19:14 | <Guevara> =/
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| 19:14 | thanks
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| 20:42 | <lbs> hi
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| 20:43 | I'd like to know how to install soft under ltsp-thin-client
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| 20:44 | <vagrantc> !release
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| 20:44 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "release" is please mention the linux distro and release you're using :)
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| 20:45 | <lbs> ubuntu 8.10
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| 20:46 | Now,when I using ltsp-update-image,it doesnt work
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| 20:46 | I was confused with the /opt/ltsp/i386 and the original system.
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| 20:48 | I changed the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.local file,but it does not work.
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| 20:49 | could you help me/
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| 20:51 | <vagrantc> lbs: so you edited /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.local and ran ltsp-update-image ?
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| 20:51 | <lbs> yes
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| 20:52 | I just want to run x11vnc and let the thin-client-manager work
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| 20:52 | <vagrantc> did that give you an error?
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| 20:52 | <lbs> It gives nothing.
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| 20:53 | and I cannot connect to thin-client's x11vnc.
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| 20:53 | in thin-client-manager.
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| 20:54 | but in ubuntu 7.10,I did it.
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| 20:55 | I don't know whether the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.local run when logon into the thin-client.
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| 20:55 | <vagrantc> i don't either
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| 20:56 | i use debian, which has a different init system from ubuntu
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| 20:56 | <lbs> You met the same problem?
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| 20:58 | <vagrantc> never had any such problem, debian works very differently
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| 20:59 | <lbs> oh.
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| 20:59 | <vagrantc> no ltsp-update-image, different init system, and i've never tried to use x11vnc
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| 21:00 | <lbs> why?You don't need to manage the thin-client?
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| 21:00 | or use iTALC or thin-client-manager?
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| 21:08 | Who use ltsp under ubuntu?
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| 21:13 | <vagrantc> lbs: debian still uses NFS rather than NBD, so ltsp-update-image isn't needed.
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| 21:14 | lbs: simply chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install YOURFAVORITEPROGRAM
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| 21:18 | <lbs> but some soft has a service daemon,how can I run it under thin-client?
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| 21:18 | such as iTALC,a kind of classroom management tool.
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| 21:19 | It has a service daemon and use the port 5900
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| 21:20 | If I didnot apt-get install it under chroot,I also can run it manually under thin-client.
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| 21:26 | <Comet> ;-D
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| 21:44 | <johnny> lbs, thin-client-manager is broken
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| 21:44 | and the x11vnc part will be removed
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| 21:45 | it is broken.. and will stay broken.. italc is the preferred solution
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| 22:08 | <lbs> johnny:but Now the thin-client-manager is very simple.
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| 22:10 | <johnny> it will be simpler :)
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| 22:10 | if you want to fix it.. i suppose people will be happy, but there is nobody currently interested in fixing the x11vnc problem, as the program is not maintained by anybody
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| 22:22 | <lbs> I see.
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| 22:23 | but how can I install iTALC ON THIN-CLIENT?
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| 22:23 | I have read the wiki help
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| 22:23 | and I have some questions
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| 22:24 | johnny:How can I make my start_ica script to run when thin-client user logon?
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| 22:25 | Now,when the thin-client user logon. I manaually run the script start_ica.
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| 22:25 | and in the iTALC master interace,
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| 22:26 | I cannot connect to thin-client use the localhost:11168.168 is the thin-client ip.
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| 22:29 | <johnny> i have no idea
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| 22:29 | i've never used either
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| 22:29 | please don't private message somebody
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| 22:29 | unless they asked you to do so
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| 22:29 | other people here use italc, but i assume they are all asleep
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| 22:30 | try coming back later
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| 22:30 | altho.. the weekends aren't the best time to get help either
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| 22:31 | usually the weekdays, during the daylight hours of usa and europe
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| 22:31 | i know many things about ltsp .. just not at all related to its educational usages :)
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| 22:33 | <lbs> dear johnny,I see,many thanks.
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| 22:34 | to you.have a good weekend.
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