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Channel log from 26 January 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:46 | <pasmen> hi
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| 01:47 | i just upgraded my chroot with upstream
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| 01:47 | and rdesktop doesn't seem to support empty -u option after that
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| 01:47 | i saw the rdesktop screen script changed
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| 01:48 | now it shows '-f' as the username, as it's the first option after -u ""
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| 02:10 | <pasmen> hmm... when i remove the $xinitrc from the xinit command line, the -u "" option gets accepted
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| 02:54 | <re-G> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-users/2009-January/005058.html
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| 05:30 | <pasmen> I just found this thread about CD burning over rdesktop session
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| 05:30 | http://copilotconsulting.com/mail-archives/ltsp.2007/msg03166.html
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| 05:30 | anyone knows, if there is any work in progress for LTSP5?
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| 08:15 | <six2one> hey everyone, i noticed the wiki for updating the chroot was updated recenty...this was added "export LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS=false"
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| 08:16 | whats the consequence of that not being used?
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| 08:18 | <six2one> it says its so the server doesnt start its own daemons...what benefit does that hold over the way ive always been doing it (without that)
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| 08:23 | <Gadi> six2one: I believe the intent is to handle times when you install daemons in the chroot on the server - you don't want those daemons to be started after install
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| 08:24 | <six2one> gadi: ahhhh....yea...that makes sense
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| 08:24 | <Gadi> eg. if you install cron in the chroot, you do not want crond to start in the chrooted env
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| 08:29 | <alkisg> Gadi: in XS85-virtual, the lines `R_VERT=$(( $R_VERT + $VERTICAL )); R_HORIZ=$(( $R_HORIZ + $HORIZONTAL ))` are too aggresive, e.g. for 2 screens 800x600 the virtual size allocated would be 1600x1200. It would be better if it only kept the MAXimum of the $HORIZONTALs...
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| 08:31 | <Gadi> alkisg: what if you rotate one screen?
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| 08:31 | or put one on top of the other?
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| 08:31 | <alkisg> Does that change the virtual size?
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| 08:31 | <Gadi> sure
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| 08:32 | this way, we cover all cases
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| 08:32 | <alkisg> I don't know... but for more than 2 screens, the memory wouldn't suffice, I think
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| 08:32 | <Gadi> then, specify your own X_VIRTUAL
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| 08:32 | <alkisg> Right. ty!
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| 08:32 | <Gadi> :)
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| 08:33 | more than 2 screens with a single video chip can get impractical very quickly
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| 08:34 | <alkisg> BTW, I just tried your xrandr stuff... it's great! I got 1024x768x16@85 without creating a xorg.conf! :)
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| 08:34 | <alkisg> (with a minor hack about X_COLOR_DEPTH)
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| 08:36 | <Blinny> Does LTSP use unionfs, aufs or openafs?
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| 08:36 | <Gadi> yeah, I fixed the color depth thing and pushed upstream already
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| 08:37 | thx, btw
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| 08:37 | <alkisg> np
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| 08:37 | <Gadi> alkisg: did you use the xrandr for multihead yet?
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| 08:37 | <alkisg> No, I didn't get a chance yet.
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| 08:38 | <Gadi> ah - it gets more fun
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| 08:38 | :)
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| 08:38 | <alkisg> Sure... It's just that I can only try it with my server as a client, I don't have any other dual head capable PCs... :P
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| 08:38 | <Gadi> if you have a video chip that is XRANDR 1.2 - aware (like intel) it should work magically
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| 08:39 | ah, too bad
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| 08:39 | <alkisg> I can try with my laptop, nvidia-based
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| 08:39 | It claims to support xrandr 1.2, but I think it's not fully compliant
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| 08:39 | <Gadi> alkisg: well, if it doesnt work magically, it may work with just an X_VIRTUAL_ option
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| 08:40 | <alkisg> I'll send you feedback whenever I get a chance to try it
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| 08:40 | <Gadi> cool
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| 08:41 | btw - the intent was for X_COLOR_DEPTH to work as you described - just the code was wrong
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| 08:41 | :P
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| 08:41 | <alkisg> Heh! :)
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| 08:41 | <Gadi> we just needed to make sure that if someone *specifies* their own xorg.conf AND X_COLOR_DEPTH that X_COLOR_DEPTH is ignored
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| 08:42 | otherwise it can get way confusing
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| 08:46 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:47 | <alkisg> Morning, sbalneav. Gadi, did you test this? Is it ignored if someone specifies a xorg.conf?
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| 08:48 | <Gadi> alkisg: *my* fix does
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| 08:48 | it is not identical to your proposed
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| 08:48 | !s
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| 08:48 | <ltspbot`> Gadi: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:48 | <alkisg> OK, the point is to get the job done... :P :D
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| 08:56 | <alkisg> Gadi, come to think of it, why should X_COLOR_DEPTH be ignored if the user entered both of them? `man xorg.conf` says that the user can override the default or specified depth in xorg.conf by the command line parameter -depth...
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| 08:56 | <alkisg> So, I could e.g. specify a xorg.conf to declare the keyboard layout, and still use X_COLOR_DEPTH
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| 08:58 | <Gadi> alkisg: I am worried about it being inadvertent - because usually one specifies a xorg.conf in [<MAC>] and X_COLOR_DEPTH in [default]
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| 08:58 | and params are inherited
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| 08:58 | so, you would have to set: X_COLOR_DEPTH=none
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| 08:58 | for it to use the xorg.conf param
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| 08:58 | <alkisg> As are all parameters, so if he wanted something different, he could override the default with X_COLOR_DEPTH=""
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| 08:58 | <Gadi> which just gets complicated
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| 08:59 | no
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| 08:59 | override would be X_COLOR_DEPTH=none
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| 08:59 | see, already it is a support nightmare
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| 08:59 | if they have a xorg.conf file, they should set color depth within it
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| 09:03 | <alkisg> You're right. :)
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| 09:14 | <SDuensin> Greetings.
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| 09:18 | <Appiah> cool , that a slashdot article got tagged with LTSP
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| 09:27 | <elisboa> Appiah: have the link?
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| 09:46 | <Appiah> http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/25/1644249
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| 09:46 | elisboa: ^
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| 09:47 | <elisboa> Appiah: thanks!
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| 12:23 | <FuriousGeorge> hey all
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| 12:24 | will terrible things happen if i upgrade my kubuntu 8.0.4 server to 8.1.0?
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| 12:25 | <johnny> you'll want to regenerate the chroot after, but hopefully that is all
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| 12:26 | <FuriousGeorge> we'll see how it goes with the sun-java6-bin .deb from ibex, and worst case scenario, i guess we'll have to upgrade
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| 12:26 | * vagrantc suspects 8.04 and 8.10 | |
| 12:27 | <sbalneav> FuriousGeorge: As always, a complete backup, and a good backout plan are minimum are always helpful in making sure upgrades go "according to plan"
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| 12:27 | * Ryan52 suspects 8.04.2 and 8.10 | |
| 12:27 | <Ryan52> :P
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| 12:27 | <vagrantc> pfft.
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| 12:28 | * vagrantc notes that two debian-oriented folks bothered to notice | |
| 12:29 | <vagrantc> is it even possible to run 8.04.1 or 8.04.0 without jumping through lots of hoops?
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| 12:29 | <johnny> did they exist?
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| 12:29 | <sbalneav> The rest of us just understood what FuriousGeorge meant, and didn't feel the need to correct. :)
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| 12:30 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: fair enough...
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| 12:30 | * vagrantc remembers the good old days of Debian Edgy and Ubuntu Etch | |
| 12:31 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: in case you haven't noticed, i seem to be the sort of person who always clings to the small details :)
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| 12:31 | <sbalneav> heh
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| 12:32 | <vagrantc> which is helpful in some cases, and probably pedantic in others...
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| 12:34 | <sbalneav> So, you would be a "pedant" then. If you you were female, you could be a pedantess.
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| 12:34 | yes, it's a valid word.
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| 12:34 | :)
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| 12:34 | Now *I*'m being pedantic.
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| 12:34 | :)
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| 12:34 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 12:35 | * sbalneav notes we haven't scared off FuriousGeorge with our inane banter yet... | |
| 12:37 | <Gadi> yo mama's thin client's so fat, when pedantess get in a bunch, there's a solar eclipse
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| 12:38 | <sbalneav> lol
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| 12:39 | so, from googling "pedant" -> wikipedia page on "Pejorative_terms_for_people" -> "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gopnik"
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| 12:40 | * vagrantc tries to find the "yo mobo" jokes page on wiki.freegeek.org | |
| 12:40 | <sbalneav> oooh, "Quisling", there's a name I haven't heard in a while...
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| 12:42 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prawn_sandwich_brigade
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| 12:43 | <ogra> vagrantc, there is no way to get 8.04.0 or 8.04.1 anymore :)
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| 12:43 | <vagrantc> ogra: that's what i figured.
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| 12:43 | <ogra> unless you find a very outdated mirror
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| 12:43 | cd images and the archive are 8.04.2 now
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| 12:44 | <vagrantc> destory all the records!
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| 12:44 | <ogra> no, the changelogs have all info
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| 12:45 | its just to prevent users from i.e. getting an iso with the ssh keys bug :)
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| 12:45 | <vagrantc> yes, i know. :P
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| 12:45 | * vagrantc feels out pedanticized by Ryan52 | |
| 12:45 | <ogra> right so :P
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| 12:45 | <Ryan52> :D
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| 12:49 | <Lns> Hey all
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| 12:49 | vagrantc: shallow and pedantic? </petergriffin>
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| 12:50 | LTSPINFO isn't in LTSP5 right?? I'm not sure what Jammq was saying in the list re: automated TC shutdown via ltspinfo.
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| 12:51 | <vagrantc> don't think we've ever ported that over, no.
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| 12:52 | <Lns> ok cool, so i'm not blind. :)
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| 12:53 | <Gadi> nope - it was a security hole
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| 12:54 | <Gadi> Lns: dont confuse that jam with jammcq
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| 12:54 | they are different people
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| 12:54 | <Lns> Gadi: oh!
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| 12:54 | whooops ;)
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| 12:55 | is James here? What's his nick?
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| 12:59 | <warren> joy stick?
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| 12:59 | <Lns> warren: come on now, this is a family channel.
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| 13:03 | <quickslip> can someone help me with VNC setup on my LTSP
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| 13:06 | <CAN-o-SPAM> Anyone know that this existed -> http://www.ltsp.org.cn/ ?
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| 13:07 | <warren> CAN-o-SPAM: what do you mean by existed?
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| 13:07 | <CAN-o-SPAM> still exists?
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| 13:09 | who manages that?
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| 13:10 | <alkisg> quickslip: for thin client management, many people use http://italc.sourceforge.net instead of vnc. E.g. for ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/iTalc
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| 13:11 | sbalneav: if a user enters wrong credentials, X gets restarted. Is it possible to avoid this, and only restart X after a logout?
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| 13:12 | <quickslip> alkisg: we are not running ubuntu - we are on Fedora 9
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| 13:12 | any ideas how to get it going ?
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| 13:12 | <johnny> but you should still use italc..
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| 13:12 | <quickslip> is it available for F9 ?
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| 13:12 | <johnny> you'll have to look
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| 13:13 | you could also ask the folks in k12ltsp possibly
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| 13:13 | or is it k12linux.. i forget which now :(
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| 13:13 | <sbalneav> alkisg: Well, the structure of LDM at this point is a single pass graphical login to the server.
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| 13:13 | You either succeed, and get a session, or fail, and exit.
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| 13:14 | the ldm screen script then handles the looping.
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| 13:14 | <alkisg> I see. It would need more changes than it's worth. :)
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| 13:14 | ty!
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| 13:15 | <Lns> quickslip: What do you need VNC for ? The server? The clients?
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| 13:15 | <sbalneav> Within the current code base, which doesn't have a glib mainline function, it's kind of a mess to make it do it.
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| 13:15 | <johnny> main loop you mean?
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| 13:15 | <sbalneav> it's one of the reasons why I've been looking at, and reading up on glib to get this done.
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| 13:15 | johnny: yes.
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| 13:15 | <johnny> that'd be swell
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| 13:15 | so what's the word on dbus on the client?
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| 13:16 | <sbalneav> No idea.
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| 13:16 | it was supposed to be discussed at the google summit, but I never heard anything about it.
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| 13:20 | <alkisg> Has anyone managed to install virtualbox[-ose]-guest-utils in the chroot?
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| 13:25 | <johnny> alkisg, maybe i'll be able to try one day
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| 13:25 | <Gadi> alkisg: guest utils are for a VM guest OS
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| 13:25 | <johnny> kc8pxy, i adjusted the deps.. less is done in the quickstart profiles
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| 13:25 | <Gadi> they would be kinda useless in the chroot
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| 13:25 | * johnny isn't familiar with the ubuntu packaging | |
| 13:26 | <Gadi> unless you are talking virtual thin clients
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| 13:26 | <alkisg> Gadi: yes, for testing
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| 13:26 | <Gadi> ah
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| 13:26 | <johnny> don't you actualy need the guestutils on the server?
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| 13:26 | <alkisg> E.g. vmware support is already in the chroot, at least in ubuntu
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| 13:26 | <warren> oooh
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| 13:26 | http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=newsdesc&news_no=725
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| 13:26 | Intel Atom based MSI thin client, you can mount it on the back of a monitor.
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| 13:26 | <alkisg> johnny: I don't think so, the vga and mouse driver should be in the nbd image...
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| 13:27 | <johnny> warren, no dvi tho ..
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| 13:27 | <Blinny> I see a nice, useless wifi antenna on there.
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| 13:27 | <johnny> warren, buy me 4 please
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| 13:27 | <warren> Blinny: option
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| 13:28 | <johnny> warren, .. c'mon guy.. get to work on that :)
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| 13:32 | <Lns> warren: Wow, it'd be really nice to see how those babys perform w/ltsp
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| 13:53 | * vagrantc wonders why there's an empty README file in ltsp-trunk/localapps | |
| 13:53 | <Ryan52> autotools?
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| 13:53 | <vagrantc> how do i play with this genmenu stuff?
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| 13:55 | <warren> vagrantc: if you figure that out, I'd like to know
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| 14:08 | <Gadi> vagrantc: the latest?
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| 14:09 | its automagic
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| 14:09 | as long as you install an app in the chroot and the app creates a desktop file in the chroot's /usr/share/applications
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| 14:10 | to whitelist which apps get menu items, use: LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITEMS = "app1,app2,app3"
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| 14:10 | where app1 is the name of the desktop file
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| 14:10 | (ie app1.desktop)
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| 14:13 | <vagrantc> Gadi: and when it's not automatic? :P
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| 14:13 | <Gadi> vagrantc:
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| 14:13 | !ask
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| 14:13 | <ltspbot`> Gadi: "ask" is Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least 15 minutes after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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| 14:13 | <Gadi> :P
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| 14:13 | <alkisg> Heh :)
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| 14:14 | Gadi, wouldn't it be simpler to temporarily make all .desktop files open with a custom script (which would call `xprop LTSP_COMMAND etc`) instead of copying the desktop files to the user local dir?
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| 14:14 | * vagrantc seems to recall asking several questions ... | |
| 14:14 | <Gadi> alkisg: thats exactly what happens
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| 14:16 | <alkisg> Gadi, I mean without using ~/.local/share/applications at all...
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| 14:16 | ...and without patching the .desktop files
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| 14:16 | <Gadi> alkisg: how do you propose to verride the xdg menus?
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| 14:16 | *override
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| 14:17 | <alkisg> Well, all menus would open with the "open-desktop-file-script". This would see what was to be exec'ed, and if it was on the white list, it would exec it locally. Else, it would exec it on the server.
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| 14:18 | <Gadi> and how would all menu items do that?
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| 14:18 | <alkisg> Associate all .desktop files to open with open-desktop-file-script... Can't that be done?
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| 14:18 | <Gadi> no
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| 14:19 | <alkisg> Ok, that would be a problem.. :)
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| 14:19 | <Gadi> you could ask every package in the world to change
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| 14:19 | :)
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| 14:19 | and depend on your script
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| 14:19 | <alkisg> I meant something like file-associations (hey, I come from a Windows world... :P).
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| 14:20 | E.g. "all .odt files open with openoffice" etc
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| 14:21 | <johnny> that exists..
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| 14:22 | <vagrantc> Gadi: ok, so apparently it was "just working" but not for all applications.
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| 14:22 | <johnny> perhaps hook into the .desktop file opener itself
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| 14:22 | <Gadi> which apps failed?
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| 14:22 | <johnny> xdg-open
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| 14:23 | uggh.. wtf fedora10
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| 14:23 | discoverable printers is greyed out in system-config-printer
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| 14:23 | <vagrantc> Gadi: alsaplayer just didn't show up in the menu ... .desktop file was in the user's home dir ...
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| 14:23 | i'm checking to see if it "normally" shows up on the menu.
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| 14:23 | <Gadi> well, some apps wont appear if they are excluded in the menus by the distro
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| 14:23 | like "python"
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| 14:24 | :P
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| 14:24 | which is a good thing
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| 14:24 | it means the normal distro controls are working
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| 14:24 | <vagrantc> there were a bunch of pulseaudio related things that didn't work...
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| 14:25 | Gadi: dillo appears to work fine, though.
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| 14:25 | <Gadi> ubuntu has no such pulseaudio desktop files
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| 14:27 | <vagrantc> Gadi: alsaplayer works fine on the server, but doesn't even show up in the menu when local_apps_menu=true
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| 14:28 | well, at least i got to test that it works at all on Debian, even if there appear to be a few bugs...
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| 14:28 | that was mainly my goal at the moment :)
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| 14:28 | <Gadi> vagrantc: can you compare the desktop files?
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| 14:28 | ie the one in ~/.local and the one in /usr/share?
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| 14:29 | <vagrantc> warren: so, set LOCAL_APPS_MENU=true in lts.conf and see if it breaks anything for you :)
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| 14:29 | <_UsUrPeR_> is there a way to permanently disable DPMS from the lts.conf?
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| 14:29 | <Gadi> _UsUrPeR_: which distro/version
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| 14:29 | <_UsUrPeR_> ubuntu 8.10
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| 14:29 | <vagrantc> Gadi: the only thing that differs is one line has our xprop magic and the other doesn't.
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| 14:30 | <Gadi> vagrantc: hmm.. should appear in the menu, still
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| 14:30 | if it appears on the server
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| 14:30 | its a terminal app, tho
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| 14:30 | maybe thats the problem
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| 14:31 | <vagrantc> brings up alsaplayer-gtk for me.
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| 14:31 | <Gadi> _UsUrPeR_: you can try: X_BLANKING=0
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| 14:31 | but, that may not be in intrepid
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| 14:31 | <_UsUrPeR_> gadi: thank you
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| 14:31 | <Gadi> it may only be upstream
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| 14:32 | vagrantc: and is alsaplayer-gtk in the chroot?
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| 14:32 | <vagrantc> Gadi: i tried with: alsaplayer only installed in chroot as well as alsaplayer both on the server and the chroot ...
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| 14:33 | er, two lines ... the Exec and TryExec lines
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| 14:37 | <Gadi> vagrantc: out of curiosity, does the Exec line have arguments?
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| 14:37 | like %s?
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| 14:37 | things like that?
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| 14:40 | <vagrantc> Gadi: nope.
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| 14:40 | <Gadi> and you are sure it is not executing it on the client?
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| 14:47 | <Ryan52> should ldm not change the .dmrc if you're logging in as a guest? imho, it should still read it, but not change it.
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| 14:47 | * Ryan52 doesn't like that it doesn't ask before changing at all | |
| 14:48 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: that seems like reasonable behavior, how tricky to implement?
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| 14:49 | <Ryan52> probably not that hard...if my dev environment starts working again.
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| 14:49 | * vagrantc doesn't like that it doesn't ask before changing either | |
| 14:50 | <vagrantc> makes total sense in an unshared environment, but in a shared environment, it's just prone to issues.
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| 14:51 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: the other idea i though was maybe to display a status somehow after changing something ... like "selected session: foo, selected language: bar"
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| 14:51 | Gadi: what do you mean by it not executing it on the client?
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| 14:52 | <Gadi> when you click the menu item
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| 14:52 | <vagrantc> Gadi: it doesn't even show up in the menu, is the problem.
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| 14:52 | <Gadi> ah
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| 14:52 | can you pastebot the .desktop file
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| 14:52 | ?
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| 14:52 | <Ryan52> if I push a change to ldminfod, can somebody else please test that current ldm still works with choosing language? it should, but I want to be sure. then I'll push my ldm changes (which are fully tested) and stop working on ltsp for the day :)
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| 14:53 | * Ryan52 spent an hour battling with his test ltsp server, and now it's acting completely dead.. :( | |
| 14:54 | * Ryan52 wonders why ltsp development sucks so badly for him.. | |
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| 14:54 | <ltsppbot> "vagrantc" pasted "alsaplayer.desktop as localapp" (12 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/215
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| 14:56 | <vagrantc> Gadi: the only diff with the server's alsaplayer.desktop is the Exec and TryExec lines, and the server's works when i disable the local apps menu
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| 14:56 | <Gadi> and that runs alsaplayer-gtk?
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| 14:56 | not alsaplayer?
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| 14:56 | <vagrantc> well, alsaplayer defaults to the gtk thingamawhazit
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| 14:57 | <Gadi> can you try changing the .desktop that is in ~/.local (after you log in) to read alsaplayer-gtk?
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| 14:58 | <Gadi> tho, that wouldnt explain why its not in the menu
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| 14:59 | weird
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| 15:04 | <vagrantc> Gadi: there is no alsaplayer-gtk binary
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| 15:04 | Gadi: alsaplayer-gtk package is a plugin to alsaplayer
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| 15:07 | <_UsUrPeR_> does the "Screen Resolution" utility in Ubuntu 8.10 use xrandr to make it's changes?
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| 15:10 | <Gadi> _UsUrPeR_: I believe so
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| 15:11 | <_UsUrPeR_> gadi: k, thx
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| 15:23 | <alkisg> Gadi: console apps like `htop`, which have Terminal=True in their .desktop file, should maybe open with xterm: `xprop ... -set LTSP_COMMAND "xterm htop"`
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| 17:14 | <kc8pxy> johnny: where should i set up my tftp directory , again?
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| 17:16 | <johnny> /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/x86
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| 17:18 | <kc8pxy> and copy my pxelinux.0 and make a pxelinux.conf/default in that dir?
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| 17:19 | <johnny> maybe i'll just go and make /var/lib/tftpboot
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| 17:19 | and set that stuff up in ltsp-client ebuild
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| 17:20 | <kc8pxy> that might be an assistance.
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| 17:21 | it will be cool when ltsp-server can go into the portage tree, and not only as an ~arch :)
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| 17:21 | <johnny> it'll be nice when stuff that is not even under my control will be arch
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| 17:21 | that i depend upon.
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| 17:21 | like openrc
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| 17:21 | and even fuse
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| 17:21 | or sshfs-fuse
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| 17:21 | all still not stable
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| 17:23 | <kc8pxy> johnny: yeah.. sshfs, is that based on scp?
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| 17:23 | <johnny> sftp
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| 17:24 | ltsp will never easily hit portage until that stuff is taken care of :( i'd prefer for the chroot to be all stable ebuilds
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| 17:24 | so.. openrc,baselayout,fuse,sshfs-fuse
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| 17:24 | get those stable.. and we might get it in portage
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| 17:27 | <kc8pxy> fuse is ~arch? \
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| 17:27 | * kc8pxy hates this bottleneck. | |
| 17:28 | <kc8pxy> I'm emerging -f gnome, and i only have 150k/s down at the shop :-(
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| 17:30 | <Ryan52> vagrantc, stgraber, johnny, cyberorg, warren: with the changes I just pushed, you should update your ldminfo (or whatever installs that binary) packages to depend on whatever package provides /usr/share/xml/iso-codes/iso_{3166,639}.xml (key word == should ... it will work without them)
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| 17:31 | * Ryan52 got something done! yay! :p | |
| 17:33 | <Ryan52> and I figured out the trick to my ltsp server...if I reboot it after every time I test, it works perfectly. :|
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| 17:34 | * Ryan52 thinks that he should have mentioned the iso-codes thing in the commit message...oops. | |
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| 18:21 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: ouch. that adds 8MB to the installed chroot.
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| 18:22 | and 1.7MB of downloads...
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| 18:22 | <Ryan52> that would be why I made it optional.
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| 18:22 | $packager can make that decision.
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| 18:22 | <vagrantc> good.
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| 18:22 | <Ryan52> wait, why the chroot?
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| 18:22 | just split ldminfo into it's own package already! :p
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| 18:22 | <vagrantc> ah, right. server.
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| 18:23 | Ryan52: i'll split it when lenny releases.
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| 18:26 | <Ryan52> ok
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| 20:00 | <warren> Ryan52: [Bug 249048] Re: ldm language selection is not user friendly
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| 20:00 | Ryan52: what is the new behavior?
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| 20:02 | <Ryan52> it shows the choices as "English (United States)" and "French (Canada)" and such...rather than en_US.UTF-8 and fr_CA.UTF-8
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| 20:11 | <warren> Ryan52: where does it get those names from?
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| 20:11 | Ryan52: one problem is that those names are English...
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| 20:13 | <Ryan52> wow. you'd expect I would have thought of that..
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| 20:14 | <warren> Ryan52: the truly complete solution would be to display both language name in current language, and language name in localized language.
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| 20:14 | Japanese (日本語)
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| 20:15 | Ryan52: gdm does this
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| 20:15 | we could just steal all of their translations and UI
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| 20:20 | <Ryan52> do you have translations that come with /usr/share/xml/iso-codes/iso_639.xml ?
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| 20:22 | yep.
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| 20:23 | * Ryan52 couldn't tell, since the translator addresses were a debian team | |
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| 20:24 | <warren> I have that file
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| 20:24 | <Ryan52> then if I can just figure out how to work gettext and how to work python, I can make it work right :)
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| 20:33 | that was easy. now I just need to make it work with ldminfod.
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| 20:34 | <warren> eh?
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| 20:34 | you're actually pushing the translated strings over the wire?
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| 20:34 | <Ryan52> is that a problem?
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| 20:34 | <warren> isn't that huge?
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| 20:35 | Ryan52: [warren@newcaprica ~]$ locale -a |grep utf8 |wc -l
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| 20:35 | 237
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| 20:36 | Ryan52: the wire protocol should have only the iso codes, and descriptive names matching those iso codes along with translations be on the ldm side.
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| 20:36 | <Ryan52> then the iso-codes package needs to be installed in both places (chroot and server)..
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| 20:37 | and it's big.
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| 20:37 | ryan52@asdf:~$ locale -a |grep utf8 |wc -l
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| 20:37 | 2
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| 20:37 | * Ryan52 wonders why warren enabled 237 languages | |
| 20:37 | <Ryan52> nevermind.
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| 20:37 | <johnny> warren is crazy yo
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| 20:37 | * Ryan52 wonders why fedora enables 237 languages by default | |
| 20:38 | <johnny> cuz fedora is crazy yo
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| 20:38 | <Ryan52> heh
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| 20:38 | <warren> Ryan52: locale -a outputs all glibc codes on fedora, unlikely debian
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| 20:38 | unlike
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| 20:38 | <johnny> gives me waaay too many firefox lang
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| 20:38 | plugins
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| 20:38 | <warren> Ryan52: in any case it is a bad idea to transmit all those strings over the wire
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| 20:38 | <johnny> Ryan52, you running fedora10 now?
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| 20:38 | * nubae kicks NetworkManager really really hard | |
| 20:38 | <johnny> now if only rpm didn't suck..
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| 20:38 | <Ryan52> johnny, yep.
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| 20:39 | * johnny <3's his ebuilds | |
| 20:39 | <johnny> just not so good on this laptop
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| 20:39 | <Ryan52> warren, okay, but then a 8MB of data has to be installed on both the server and the client, which isn't nice...
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| 20:39 | I guess it could be only on the client.../me wonders how to parse xml in glib
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| 20:40 | <warren> Ryan52: is it better to install it on both sides, or transmit a huge amount of data every time you connect to ldminfo?
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| 20:40 | * Ryan52 gets the point | |
| 20:42 | <SDuensin> johnny is here! :-)
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| 20:43 | <johnny> i'm often here .. even if i'm not speaking
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| 20:45 | <SDuensin> Not speaking? Does that mean...coding? (He asks hopefully!)
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| 20:45 | <johnny> i code on lots of things
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| 20:45 | i'm trying to run into sbalneav
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| 20:45 | he was testing some patches
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| 20:45 | i haven't heard a report back yet
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| 20:46 | as soon as it happens, i'll push the code up
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| 20:46 | altho my testing computer is still broken sadly :(
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| 20:46 | better.. but still weird
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| 20:46 | * SDuensin REALLY needs Sabayon. Or something like it. | |
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| 22:07 | <johnny> SDuensin, well, get yourself a svn checkout
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| 23:43 | <|Ryan52> warren, ok, pushed changes to translate it (it now behaves how you said gdm does)
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| 23:45 | <warren> |Ryan52: wow, ok, i'll try it.
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| 23:45 | |Ryan52: where does it get the traslations fro?
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| 23:45 | from/
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| 23:46 | <|Ryan52> /usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/iso_639.mo
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| 23:46 | (and all the others)
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| 23:47 | ldm gets that from inside the chroot.
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