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| 04:26 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: rough around the edges, but bzr pull http://cascadia.debian.net/~vagrant/ltsp-pam-examples
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| 04:27 | sbalneav: we've got sshfs homedirs, and localapps support mostly working.
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| 04:29 | * vagrantc will get it merge into launchpad later | |
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| 11:18 | <highvoltage> what's news at bts? ltsp 6 going fat-client by default yet?
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| 17:57 | <Enslaver> Hey fellas, hows BTS
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| 17:59 | If its not too much to ask could someone bring me down some lobster since i didn't get to come
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| 18:05 | <Hyperbyte> Haha
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| 18:14 | <Enslaver> all i got last year was crabs :(
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| 18:16 | Well i'll hopefully have my fedora-19 release out by the end of this weekend
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| 20:26 | <linuxltsp00> I'm not having much luck getting ltsp working. I'm using ubuntu 13 with the repo version of ltsp. I've tried following different pages advice with not much luck
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| 20:27 | I can get into the gui finally but I can't get firefox working
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| 20:27 | Its giving me a error about unable to find a profile
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| 20:31 | <alkisg> Thin client?
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| 20:31 | Or fat?
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| 20:31 | <linuxltsp00> thin
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| 20:31 | <alkisg> Can you open a gnome-terminal inside the thin client session?
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| 20:32 | (or an xterm...)
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| 20:32 | <linuxltsp00> yes but I cannot access the home directory. and I believe thats why firefox cannot access the profiles
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| 20:32 | <alkisg> Is that a server-side user, or a user that you created in the chroot?
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| 20:33 | <linuxltsp00> both
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| 20:33 | <alkisg> It needs to be in the server only
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| 20:33 | Not in both
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| 20:33 | <linuxltsp00> well I created a root user inside chroot and created a different user through the server
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| 20:34 | <alkisg> Log in with the server-side user to the thin client
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| 20:34 | Open an xterm, run ps aux and mount, and pastebin the results
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| 20:34 | !pastebin
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| 20:34 | <ltsp`> pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 22:56 | <sd34> hello
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| 23:00 | <Hyperbyte> Oh hi!
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| 23:02 | <sd34> still ther?
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| 23:02 | there*
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| 23:02 | is this the right place to ask for support with ltsp-live?
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| 23:03 | <Hyperbyte> !ask
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| 23:03 | <ltsp`> ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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| 23:03 | <sd34> ok
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| 23:03 | <Hyperbyte> :)
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| 23:04 | <sd34> so, I'm having issues with ltsp-live on Edubuntu 13.10
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| 23:04 | it just takes very long and actually never finished configuring
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| 23:04 | <Hyperbyte> First question.
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| 23:04 | ltsp-live?
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| 23:04 | <sd34> I tried it out on two different machines (one fast laptop and one cutting-edge desktop)
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| 23:04 | yes
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| 23:05 | <Hyperbyte> This is Edubuntu live CD?
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| 23:05 | <sd34> yes
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| 23:05 | <Hyperbyte> And you're installing it, or actually booting into live OS from the CD/DVD?
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| 23:05 | <sd34> live OS from DVD or USB
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| 23:06 | the wizard searches for network interfaces then finds and shows eth0 on both the computers onto which I tested the live OS
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| 23:06 | <Hyperbyte> I have actually never tried that.
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| 23:07 | Not entirely sure how it works, so I can't help you much I'm afraid. I can try a little.
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| 23:07 | At what point does it get stuck?
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| 23:07 | <sd34> prompts that the interface is already used and asks for confirmation as for continuing the configuration, which I confirm
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| 23:08 | after a while it starts configuring, after installing and unpacking
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| 23:08 | that's when it always gets stuck
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| 23:08 | the application doesn't freeze or whatever it just seems to take forever as though it was in a loop
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| 23:09 | if you could try it out it would be extremely helpful
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| 23:10 | <Hyperbyte> I couldn't.
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| 23:10 | My advice, just actually install the OS instead of doing it live.
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| 23:10 | You should have some spare harddisk somewhere which you can use
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| 23:11 | <sd34> I have to tell a school if they can use Edubuntu on their old IT laboratory machines but LTSP would be necessary because of some computers lacking DVD trays
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| 23:12 | I would do that, but that's a school with a windows setup they wouldn't erase
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| 23:12 | so it must be a live OS :S
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| 23:12 | <Hyperbyte> You don't have to erase client computers.
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| 23:12 | Clients just have to network boot.
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| 23:12 | <sd34> Only the server yeah, but that's already a Windows server
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| 23:12 | <Hyperbyte> You only install software on the server, that's the beauty of LTSP.
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| 23:12 | Doesn't matter.
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| 23:13 | You can configure the Windows server to provide netboot details, and just point it to your Linux server (any server, can even be your laptop if you want)
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| 23:14 | <sd34> But they payed for software like Epoptes for Windows and had their network going for years, so either they find a new server computer (but they run on very low budget) or they partition and install double booting
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| 23:14 | <Hyperbyte> Otherwise, wait for someone with experience with LTSP live media.
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| 23:15 | <sd34> your help was good, I just have some very strict requirements for this project :\
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| 23:15 | <Hyperbyte> So unstrict them.
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| 23:15 | <sd34> :D
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| 23:15 | <Hyperbyte> How many clients are you talking about?
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| 23:16 | <sd34> it should be 7 late 90s / early 00s desktops
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| 23:16 | + 1 server
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| 23:17 | btw I'm new to network booting as well but I can learn
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| 23:19 | <Hyperbyte> Okay
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| 23:19 | So you're planning to run these as fat clients or thin clients?
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| 23:20 | <sd34> I don't know actually, I thought one dvd on the server and all the others lan-booting or dvd-booting in case they had a DVD tray
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| 23:20 | but they quite certainly don't
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| 23:21 | <Hyperbyte> You know the difference between thin and fat clients?
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| 23:22 | <sd34> 256 + (192 * 7 users) MB = 1600 MB of RAM :O
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| 23:22 | unfortunately not
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| 23:22 | <Hyperbyte> Both thin and fat clients netboot.
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| 23:22 | <sd34> thin = no device needed apart from MB, graphics and Ram
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| 23:22 | ?
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| 23:23 | <Hyperbyte> But fat clients get an entire operating system delivered via network and run all their software on the local hardware.
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| 23:23 | Thin clients only get a minimal OS that can log in to the server and then the entire desktop session and all programs are executed on the server.
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| 23:23 | <sd34> the more fat clients the less efforts for the server I suppose
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| 23:24 | <Hyperbyte> So if you have older PC's, which cannot run modern operating systems (which I'm assuming is the case here), you would want want thin clients.
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| 23:24 | But if your clients can handle it and you don't have budget for a powerful server with enough ram, you would want fat.
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| 23:24 | <sd34> can fat and thing clients be present in the same network?
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| 23:25 | both fat and thin*
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| 23:25 | it might be on or two computers have got a DVD reader installed, might..
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| 23:25 | <Hyperbyte> Yes. This is actually easier with ltsp-pnp, that detects automatically if clients have enough ram for local OS. If they do they're fat, otherwise they're thin.
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| 23:26 | sd34, why are you obsessed with dvd readers?
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| 23:27 | <sd34> because I have very little knowledge about these technologies and believe that if a computer has a DVD reader I can burn an Edubuntu DVD for that computer
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| 23:28 | ltsp-pnp is a completely different software?
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| 23:28 | <Hyperbyte> No, ltsp-pnp is a fork (or extension) of regular LTSP software.
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| 23:28 | <sd34> and possibly of LTSP-live too :)
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| 23:28 | <Hyperbyte> Do you know what network booting is? PXE?
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| 23:29 | <sd34> I'm afraid all I know is that I can choose to boot from Lan at PC's boot time
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| 23:29 | and I haven't been able to try it out because of this problem I'm discussing
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| 23:30 | (configuration never ending)
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| 23:31 | <Hyperbyte> Let's make deal
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| 23:32 | Read some more about the concepts of LTSP, about how it should work... read about PXE booting, thin vs fat clients.... http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Concepts
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| 23:33 | Understand first how it -should- work, before you pop in some live DVD
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| 23:33 | Tomorrow we can talk some more... or you could look for alkisg, he's the LTSP oracle - knows everything.
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| 23:33 | But he's on European time too (Greece), so sleeping now.
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| 23:33 | <sd34> I'm on European time so it would be perfect
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| 23:34 | I was looking for some good guide to study
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| 23:34 | I haven't found much that was easy to understand though, let's see yours
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| 23:36 | but still, I may lack some knowledge and that's for sure although the ltsp-live wizard is quite straightforward and didn't it get stuck I would be able to get some hands-on understanding first
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| 23:36 | that is what I need prior to studying theory :\
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| 23:37 | In fact I'm downloading the most stable Edubuntu iso now and will se if that gets stuck too
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| 23:39 | I guess grasping the hands-on basis is necessary... sometimes a youtube video is enough but everything I watched didn't come up with my strange issue
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| 23:40 | <sd34> by the way, do you think once it works I can teach a teacher of the school to boot up and start a ltsp network ? Is that something userfriendly with the newest LTSP releases?
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| 23:42 | in Italy schools have no money at all and they need to do all on a budget (very thin one) and on their own because they can't afford technicians help
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| 23:42 | <Hyperbyte> You should definitely talk to alkisg.
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| 23:42 | <sd34> if they liked Edubuntu and decided to use that for their classes on a regular basis it would be necessary that they can run it on their own
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| 23:43 | <Hyperbyte> He's got literally hundreds of schools in Greece running LTSP, he's actually made it so teachers can maintain the installations themselves.
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| 23:43 | <sd34> thanks, I will
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| 23:43 | I will connect tomorrow again
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| 23:43 | <Hyperbyte> Sure...
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| 23:43 | Get an IRC client and just hang out in here...
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| 23:44 | Just keep in mind most people here are often very busy
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| 23:44 | <sd34> if that school manages to run Edubuntu.. well it will make a nice success story :)
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| 23:44 | oh sure, I have no idea if this is a free chan or a place for developers, I just found it on LTPS.org
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| 23:45 | I will keep this window open, I don't mind
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| 23:47 | <Hyperbyte> It's basically anything LTSP related... developer or otherwise. But channel doesn't get that much traffic either way.
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| 23:47 | <sd34> I'll do my best to explain in English
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| 23:48 | and hopefully we'll work this out and help that school
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| 23:48 | they just couldn't believe all that great software came for free :D
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| 23:48 | I won't let them down, I won't
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| 23:49 | thanks for your help
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| 23:51 | good night Hyperbyte, my time zone got me beat ;)
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| 23:52 | bye
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