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00:10 | <krinns> hi all
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00:11 | am using ltsp 4.1.1 from last year i have a sun machine with 5 gb RAM
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00:11 | i have 60 users
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00:11 | now am getting annoied
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00:11 | users r complaining abt slowlessness more often
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00:11 | it takes some time 10 mins to boot a thin clinet
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00:12 | any idea how i make it faster
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00:12 | even 60 users is not as much load for sun server
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00:13 | <vagrantc> wow. that's even slower than ltsp5! :)
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00:14 | <krinns> YA
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00:14 | really users are saying move us to windows
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00:14 | vagrant any idea
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00:15 | i have upgrade to 6 gb ram
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00:15 | even its slower
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00:15 | <vagrantc> well, that sounds like a disk problem or network problem ... especially if it just started to be a problem recently but worked before
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00:15 | <krinns> i mean suner poer server would have to support atlest 90+ users
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00:15 | well previously i have 30 users
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00:16 | but now my users increse to obviously load increses to thats the point to go for high end server machine
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00:16 | <vagrantc> but that really shouldn't significantly increase boot times.
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00:16 | <krinns> sure but 10 mins to boot
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00:17 | daily in earlt morining when most of users came in n boot thier clients
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00:17 | <vagrantc> sounds like something is broken or misconfigured.
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00:17 | <krinns> thats the scene to see am gettings calls my system not working
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00:17 | users have to wait to get login
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00:18 | and even if they login their desktop wont come up
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00:18 | what should i check its simple configuration though
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00:19 | <vagrantc> my gut would say hard drive errors ...
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00:20 | or incompatible ram timing issues
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00:21 | also, if at all possible, can you try and get it back down to 30 users just for a day or two to test and make sure it really isn't just overloaded?
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00:21 | or, just long enough to figure out weather the load is the problem
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00:22 | the dstat program is also useful to figure out what type of problem is causing the load
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00:24 | it can show you your disk/net/cpu/swap usage over time, so if somethings always overloaded, you can get an idea what type of resource is the problem
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00:27 | i should really probably start running tftpd-hpa and dhcp3-server, seeing as those are the defaults for ltsp-server in debian.
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00:39 | <krinns> no am using novel linux desktop
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00:40 | vagrant i have notice one thing
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00:40 | as i add another 1 gb ram
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00:40 | <vagrantc> that last comment was essentially talking to myself
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00:40 | <krinns> my cpu utilization is more now
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01:09 | <mistik1> vagrantc: what would happen if you ripped perl out of a debain box?
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01:09 | Would apt, debconf and friends be affected?
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01:10 | <vagrantc> i think the current version of debconf is written in perl
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01:10 | <Bhaskar> Can i shutdown particular client ? how
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01:10 | <vagrantc> so, probably
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01:10 | <mistik1> ok
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01:10 | <Bhaskar> ogra, Can i shutdown particular client ? how
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01:10 | <mistik1> vagrantc: Is building OSes not fun?
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01:11 | <vagrantc> mistik1: generally, that's why i like debian. it's already mostly there. :)
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02:10 | <krinns> vagrant
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02:10 | i wont gace dstat in NLD
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02:11 | also it seems in top
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02:11 | all good
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02:11 | 62 users load is 2.98, 3.54, 5.00
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02:11 | Cpu(s): 12.5% us, 7.4% sy, 3.0% ni, 70.7% id, 1.6% wa, 0.6% hi, 4.2% si
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02:11 | Mem: 5946672k total, 5609652k used, 337020k free, 96712k buffers
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02:11 | Swap: 8393952k total, 2618868k used, 5775084k free, 421236k cached
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02:11 | but it slows at users end
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02:12 | can u guide me plz
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02:40 | <Bhaskar> where can i find the of etherboot so that i can burn into EPROM to make PXE Bootrom
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02:40 | code
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03:58 | <krinns> vagrant
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03:58 | u there
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05:13 | <jmm_ltsp> Hi. I have a problem with LOCALE_STORAGE. I have an error when turning it on and do not know why. It does not look like a complex option to use and I have found no reference to such a problem on google or LTSP docs.
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05:14 | Does that option need other options to be set, before ?
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05:30 | <MaCaDe> jmm_ltsp: it might help to know what the error is that you get.
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06:03 | <antgel> hi all, having a terrible time with assigning hostnames via dns - i have grabbed the check_hostname script from http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DHCP#Automatically_assigning_hostname and it returns the right answer, but still, in lts.conf, i can only get the workstation configured by mac address or ip address
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06:07 | also, i was hoping to get printing working with ltsp5 on debian - someone sent me the jetpipe script but i have no idea how to integrate it - any help appreciated
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06:08 | <sep> antgel, just install the printer on the server and it works ?
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06:09 | <antgel> sep: when i do an nmap on the client, it's not listening on the jetdirect port
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06:09 | <sep> i never bother with local printers on thin clients. i use network printers
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06:09 | <antgel> not an option here
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06:10 | <sep> antgel, i guess you neet to put the script into the chroot.
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06:10 | and start it when the client boot
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06:10 | look into the /etc/rcS.d inside the chroot
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06:11 | <antgel> sep: with respect, guesses are no good to me today, i'm under intense pressure :)
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06:12 | my lts.conf is here http://www.pastebin.ca/387478
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06:12 | <sep> antgel, sorry then, i'l keep my mounth shut
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06:12 | <antgel> sep: really, thanks for trying, and sorry if i appeared rude
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06:12 | i wish i had time to mess about with the config more
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06:12 | <sep> no offence was taken
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06:14 | i just never mess with such things since they usualy consume more time then it's worth. when a simple printer with a network interfaces does the job so easily
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06:15 | what ltsp version are you running btw ?
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06:15 | <antgel> 5, muekow
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06:15 | <sep> the packages in etch ?
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06:15 | <antgel> yep
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06:16 | i have PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/usb/lp0 and PRINTER_0_TYPE= U
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06:16 | but it's not listening on :9100
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06:19 | <sep> have yuo ssh'd to the client and tested that usb modules are loaded and that /dev/usb/lp0 works ?
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06:20 | <antgel> sep: how can i ssh to it? don't know the root password
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06:21 | in fact, it's not even listening on ssh port
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06:21 | <sep> antgel, you have to set the root pw inside the chroot
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06:21 | you migth have to install the ssh package too
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06:21 | <antgel> ah, didn't know that was standard practice
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06:21 | <sep> ssh is nice when your troubleshooting, but not neessecary otherways
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06:21 | <antgel> i'm very close to downgrading to 4.2 - not sure if printing is supported in muekow/etch
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06:21 | i have console access
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06:22 | <sep> you can wait for vagrantc if you need knowledge
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06:22 | i only deal in guesswork :]
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06:23 | <antgel> heh
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06:25 | <sep> atlest then you can try running your script manually
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06:25 | <antgel> sep: just checked - /dev/usb/lp0 is present and correct
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06:26 | <sep> and can you start the jetpipe script ?
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06:33 | <antgel> sep: i don't know where to put the jetpipe script
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06:34 | <sep> antgel, you can try with /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/local/sbin
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06:34 | put it in there
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06:34 | then you should see it on the client as /usr/local/sbin/...
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06:35 | <antgel> sep: i'll have a go
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06:43 | <antgel> sep: hmm, manually running jetpipe gets it listening on :9100
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06:43 | i'll try and set up a network printer
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06:44 | <sep> then you can just add /usr/local/sbin/jetpipe in one of the chroot boot scripts
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06:44 | and it will start on boot
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06:51 | <krinns> hi al
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06:51 | all
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06:51 | i have sun opratron machine with haedware raid + 6 gb RAM
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06:51 | how much users it can support for ltsp
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06:52 | any idea
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07:18 | <mrchicken> Hello
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07:18 | :(:(
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07:19 | I'm trying to boot ltsp 4.2, my client is taking ip
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07:19 | <cliebow> mrchicken, :..:..:..
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07:19 | <mrchicken> but when serving the tftp files I get a not found on my client
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07:19 | <cliebow> jump!
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07:19 | <cliebow> mrchicken,
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07:19 | distro?
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07:20 | <mrchicken> forget it just saw the mistake :P
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07:20 | FC4
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07:21 | <cliebow> ahh:using ragnars stuffed bear trick huh?
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07:21 | describe whats happening to an inanimate object and by the time your e done telling the answer comes
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07:23 | <mrchicken> LOL
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07:23 | now I have another problem
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07:23 | I knew murphy wasnt gonna be a nice guy
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07:23 | <jammcq> cliebow: who are you calling an inanimate object?
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07:23 | <mrchicken> I'm getting a 'no root-path' specified error
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07:24 | but I have this on dhcpd.conf
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07:24 | next-server 192.168.99.4;
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07:24 | option root-path "192.168.99.4:/opt/ltsp-4.2/i386/";
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07:24 | <jammcq> mrchicken: that could indicate that you have another dhcp server on your network
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07:24 | ogra: !!!!
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07:25 | <ogra> jammcq, !!!
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07:25 | <jammcq> is it really you?
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07:25 | <mrchicken> jammcq ... that is not the case... I just checked and the ip is being leased by my ltsp dhcpd
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07:26 | <jammcq> mrchicken: can you paste your dhcpd.conf file to http://pastebot.ltsp.org ?
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07:27 | <ogra> jammcq, nope, i'm a bot :P
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07:27 | <ltsppbot> "MrChicken" pasted "No root-path" (38 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/34
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07:27 | <mrchicken> http://pastebot.ltsp.org/34
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07:28 | <cliebow> how about inconsiderate object?
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07:28 | <mrchicken> ogra... I agree with you, its stoo early in the morning to have full control over your actions
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07:28 | <jammcq> ogra: even as a bot, we're happy to have you
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07:28 | <cliebow> 8~)
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07:28 | in Spades!! putting up with my ot questions all the time
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07:30 | <mrchicken> anybody's looking at the dhcpd.conf I pasted?
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07:30 | <jammcq> mrchicken: ok, 2 things. it's still possible that another dhcp server answered, cuz LTSP makes 2 dhcp queries. once from the bootrom, and again after the kernel is loaded. 2nd thing is, are you sure that dhcpd.conf file you sent me is actually the one being used?
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07:31 | <mrchicken> jammcq ... I just double checked for other dhcpd... I had one on a BSD box, but I shut it off... and yes thats the one being used
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07:31 | <antgel> sep: i don't see how it's any good to start jetpipe from a boot script - i have to hard-code the device and port which means that PRINTER* entries in lts.conf are ignored
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07:32 | <jammcq> just double checked, when? just in the last 5 minutes?
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07:32 | <mrchicken> just in the last 2 minutes :P
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07:33 | <jammcq> ok, so now, reboot the client, see what happens
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07:35 | <mrchicken> jammcq... same story
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07:35 | I have a screenshot
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07:35 | let me post it
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07:37 | http://200.71.58.39/test/sshot-1.gif
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07:38 | [root@ltsp ~]# service nfs status
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07:38 | rpc.mountd (pid 1733) is running...
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07:38 | nfsd (pid 1731 1730 1729 1728 1727 1726 1723 1722) is running...
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07:38 | rpc.rquotad (pid 1701) is running...
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07:43 | <cliebow> ogra:possible to build a new chroot for ppc in feisty with pulse suport?
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07:44 | <mrchicken> jammcq??
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07:45 | <jammcq> that's the error you are getting?
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07:45 | you said you were getting 'no root-path'
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07:47 | <mrchicken> thats what it says
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07:47 | oops
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07:47 | failed 2 mount root
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07:47 | :$
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07:47 | <jammcq> ok, that's quite different from 'no root-path'
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07:47 | <mrchicken> :$:$
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07:51 | <ogra> cliebow, i dont do much ppc testing now that its not officia anymore, but ltsp-build-client should work as wexpected
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07:52 | <cliebow> but feisty will go in as expected?
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07:52 | without borking edgy?
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07:56 | <antgel> does /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh not get executed in muekow? i have put a line in there to start jetpipe, but when the client boots, ps ax doesn't show it
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08:02 | <ogra> cliebow, it should, yes
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08:02 | antgel, jetpipe gets started from your ltsp-client-stup initscript
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08:02 | *setup
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08:02 | <antgel> ogra: thought that was only in ubuntu, this is debian etch
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08:02 | <ogra> as soon as PRINTER_0_DEVICE is set
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08:03 | oh, right
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08:03 | <antgel> ogra: but any way i can get printing working will do me :)
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08:03 | <ogra> then you need some more tweaks to the start_printer script
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08:04 | well, jetpipe /dev/lp0 9100 should theoretically work
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08:04 | or /dev/usblp0 ... depending on the printer :)
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08:04 | <antgel> ogra: does, but i can't get it to start automatically
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08:04 | <ogra> jetpipe has no serial support yet
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08:04 | <antgel> ogra: i see the diff there in start_printer, i'll apply it and pray :)
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08:05 | <ogra> heh
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08:05 | should work ... te code there shouldnt differ between deban and ubuntu :)
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08:06 | <cliebow> ogra:finest kind..I'll give her a whirl
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08:09 | <mrchicken> jammcq ... so any suggestions?
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08:11 | <antgel> ogra: nothing - it's like start_printer's not even being called
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08:11 | <ogra> mrchicken, your nfs server is running ?
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08:11 | <antgel> ooh 1 sec
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08:12 | <mrchicken> ogra... YES
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08:12 | [root@ltsp ~]# service nfs status
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08:12 | rpc.mountd (pid 1733) is running...
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08:12 | nfsd (pid 1731 1730 1729 1728 1727 1726 1723 1722) is running...
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08:12 | rpc.rquotad (pid 1701) is running...
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08:12 | Sorry for the caps
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08:12 | <antgel> my jetpipe is in /usr/local/sbin, not /usr/sbin
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08:12 | <jammcq> mrchicken: do this: showmount -e
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08:12 | <ogra> antgel, aha !
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08:12 | link or copy it :)
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08:13 | <antgel> ogra: i changed start_printer to the correct path, still no dice
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08:13 | i'll run start_printer from the shell
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08:13 | <ogra> PRINTER_0_DEVICE is set in lts.conf ?
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08:13 | <mrchicken> [root@ltsp ~]# showmount -e
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08:13 | Export list for ltsp:
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08:14 | <zald> antgel, what you are trying to achieve then?
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08:14 | <antgel> zald: to get printing working in muekow on debian etch
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08:14 | <ogra> zald, using jetpipe in muecow
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08:14 | <mrchicken> !pastebin
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08:14 | <ltspbot> mrchicken: Error: "pastebin" is not a valid command.
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08:15 | <zald> setting up usb printer on thin client?
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08:15 | <jammcq> pastebot.ltsp.org
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08:15 | <ltsppbot> "MrChicken" pasted "Showmount -e" (4 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/35
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08:15 | <jammcq> !pastebot
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08:15 | <ltspbot> jammcq: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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08:15 | <antgel> ogra: when i run /usr/lib/ltsp/start_printer, it falls into the exec sleep 300! seems that get_cfg PRINTER__DEVICE fails
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08:15 | zald: ack
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08:15 | <mrchicken> http://pastebot.ltsp.org/35
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08:15 | <jammcq> mrchicken: no need to paste the pastebot info, that happens automatically, when you use OUR pastebot
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08:15 | <ogra> antgel, it should be get_cfg PRINTER_0_DEVICE
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08:16 | or ${PNUM} instead of 0
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08:16 | <mrchicken> hrmmm
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08:16 | <jammcq> mrchicken: what's the error you are now getting?
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08:16 | <ogra> antgel, it falls into sleep 300 if the device doesnt exist in /dev
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08:16 | make sure the right module is loaded by udev
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08:16 | <antgel> ogra: which works - it is actually calling get_cfg PRINTER__DEVICE
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08:17 | <jammcq> ah, it's not substituing the number in between the __
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08:17 | <antgel> the module is in there and if I manually getltscfg PRINTER_0_DEVICE, i get the desired response
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08:17 | <ogra> well, start_printer should be called with $PNUM as argument by the startscrit
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08:17 | <antgel> startscrit?
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08:18 | <ogra> /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/ltsp-client-setup
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08:18 | <antgel> oh, i see, i'm just calling it with no param
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08:18 | let me set sh -x and reboot
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08:18 | <ogra> search for configure_printer
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08:18 | if [ -n "$PRINTER_0_DEVICE" ]; then
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08:18 | /usr/lib/ltsp/start_printer 0 &
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08:18 | fi
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08:18 | thast what edgy has by default
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08:18 | <mrchicken> http://200.71.58.39/test/sshot-1.gif
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08:18 | thats the error
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08:19 | <antgel> ogra: you got it - nothing in my /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/ltsp-client-setup about printers at all
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08:19 | are these bugs in debian, or is debian behind for some reason?
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08:19 | <ogra> antgel, hmm, maybe vagrant has patched out all the printer stuff
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08:19 | debian has probs with the non existent lp_server license
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08:20 | ubuntu as well, but jetpipe was started after debian freezed
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08:20 | so jetpipe went into ubuntu but not debian yet
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08:20 | <mrchicken> jammcq --> http://200.71.58.39/test/sshot-1.gif thats the error
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08:20 | <jammcq> mrchicken: this is NOT an nfs issue, it's a DHCP issue
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08:21 | so no point in showing us that nfsd is running
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08:21 | that just throws us off track
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08:21 | based on the dhcpd.conf file you showd me, i'd say you still have another dhcp server
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08:22 | <mrchicken> lemme check the bsd box
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08:22 | <antgel> ogra: and i've hacked /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/ltsp-client-setup and we're all systems go!
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08:23 | <ogra> yay
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08:23 | good to know ... vagrant can just include jetpipe then after etch released
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08:23 | i hope we ave the serial printer support running then
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08:25 | <mrchicken> ok, yes, there was a damned dhcpd running there
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08:25 | I thought it was dead
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08:25 | <antgel> ogra: hmm. cups test pages from the webui work. gnome test pages from a normal user don't
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08:26 | <mrchicken> it should be now...
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08:26 | <ogra> antgel, did you use gnome-cups-manager to add the printer ? we disable the webui in ubuntu ... i havent seen it since 2 years :)
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08:29 | <antgel> ogra: no, it was added via the cups webui - surely that shouldn't matter
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08:29 | <pscheie> morning all
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08:30 | <cliebow> antgel:wantr to post your hack somewhere...for postrior?
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08:31 | <ogra> antgel, not really, no
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08:31 | <cliebow> antgel:wantr to post your hack somewhere...for posterior?
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08:31 | <ogra> antgel, but it works on ubuntu is all i can say ...
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08:31 | cliebow, https://launchpad.net/people/ogra/+branch/ltsp/feisty-ltsp-jetpipe
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08:31 | <antgel> cliebow: i sure will, if i get a chance, i should document it for myself even :)
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08:31 | <ogra> should apply to all ltsp versions past dapper
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08:33 | <antgel> thanks all, back on sunday...
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08:35 | <ltsppbot> "ogra" pasted "jetpipe patch" (130 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/36
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08:36 | <ogra> cliebow, ^^^
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08:36 | <cliebow> Cool! Input!
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08:40 | <mrchicken> jammcq --> http://200.71.58.39/test/shotq2.gif thats the new error
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08:40 | <jammcq> Not Found
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08:40 | The requested URL /test/shotq2.gif was not found on this server.
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08:40 | <mrchicken> jammcq --> http://200.71.58.39/test/shot2.gif thats the new error
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08:40 | <jammcq> I don't think so
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08:40 | <mrchicken> sorry
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08:40 | didnt see the q
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08:41 | <jammcq> mrchicken: there ya go, it's telling you exactly what's wrong
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08:41 | "failed reason given by server: permission denied"
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08:42 | <jammcq> your root-path is specifying /opt/ltsp-4.2/i386, but your /etc/exports file is exporting /opt/ltsp
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08:42 | <mrchicken> but I 777d it
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08:42 | <jammcq> that's NOT the problem
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08:43 | the problem is, the /etc/exports file controls what directories can be mounted via NFS, and /opt/ltsp-4.2 ISN'T ONE OF THEM
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08:44 | <ogra> jammcq, doesnt 4.2 set the entry in /etc/exports ?
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08:44 | <jammcq> yes, it's supposed to
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08:44 | * ogra wonders if there is muecow involved anywhere | |
08:44 | <jammcq> I don't thik so
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08:44 | he's done re-installs, and who knows what he's got now
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08:45 | <ogra> ah
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08:45 | <jammcq> but if he edits his /etc/exports file, and runs exportfs -ra
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08:45 | he should be fine
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08:45 | <ogra> yep
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08:45 | indeed
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08:45 | <cliebow> right
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08:45 | kosher
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08:50 | <Gadi> mmm.... kosher....
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08:51 | <Gadi> finger lickin kosher....
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08:56 | <cliebow> 8~)
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08:56 | havnt had blintzes for ages
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09:01 | <cliebow> ogra:after update dist-upgrade to feisty..then ltsp-server-standalone i have no ltsp kernel in /var/lib/tftpboot..
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09:01 | also did build-client which seems fine
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09:15 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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09:18 | <cliebow> S!!
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09:18 | <ogra> yo sbalneav
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09:28 | <jammcq> Scotty SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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09:34 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> hi all
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09:38 | <pscheie> ogra: what's the tool for monitoring student desktops that will be in the next edubuntu release?
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09:39 | <ogra> student-control-panel (it's in edgy already) .... renamed to thin-client-manager in feisty
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09:39 | <sbalneav> ogra: hey hey!
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09:40 | <vagrantc> ogra: you exist!
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09:40 | <pscheie> do you know who the deve/maintainer of that is?
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09:43 | <ogra> vagrantc, !!
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09:43 | youre awake at a time *i* am awake !!
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09:44 | <vagrantc> ogra: it's amazing :)
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09:44 | <mrchicken> Back
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09:45 | <vagrantc> ogra: how feisty is feisty?
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09:46 | <ogra> not very
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09:46 | biggest ltsp news is pulseaudio
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09:46 | <vagrantc> heh.
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09:46 | <ogra> but i started a lot of stuff for feisty+1 which is still in development ... like new ldm ith cairo support
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09:46 | (lots faster)
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09:46 | <vagrantc> ah, that's good.
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09:47 | when i've paid attention to the boot speed, the majority of the slowness seems to be ldm.
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09:47 | <ogra> yep
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09:48 | also svg is a lot less mem hungry
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09:48 | <vagrantc> excellent.
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09:48 | <ogra> oh, and indeed python-ltsp is in feisty
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09:48 | but it still needs more contributions (hint, hit)
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09:49 | sadly i didnt make it to finish the port of ltsp-manager to it ...
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09:49 | <bricode_> ogra: All 80 MB of it? :)
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09:49 | <vagrantc> i need more time to work on projects. :(
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09:50 | <ogra> bricode_, 80MBof what ?
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09:50 | <bricode_> ogra: That's what it takes to load LDM over the network currently.
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09:51 | <ogra> ??
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09:51 | surely not :)
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09:51 | <bricode_> ogra: Wait, I guess that includes the kernel as well.
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09:51 | <ogra> else ldm wouldnt run on my 64M client ;)
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09:51 | <ogra> right and X
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09:51 | <bricode_> ogra: from boot to login screen is ~80 MB.
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09:52 | * vagrantc should try the same with sdm | |
09:52 | <ogra> bricode_, still ldm itself is at most 6M big (including the loaded python libs)
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09:52 | <bricode_> humm...
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09:52 | * bricode_ reviews his notes. | |
09:53 | <ogra> 80MB might be all that goes over the net in total ... but surely 80M isnt loaded into memory
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09:54 | <ogra> cutting down your client with a MEM option in the PXE settings will show you you can boot 48M clients ...
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09:54 | <vagrantc> i think i've booted in 32, even.
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09:54 | <bricode_> ogra: sorry, got the numbers a little wrong... 67.3 MB from start to login, add another 18 MB for login->desktop. Yes, that's only network transfer, not RAM requirements.
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09:56 | <mrchicken> hello, i'm back after some isp issues :P
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09:56 | I'm trying to boot ltsp 4.2 and I get a permission denied error while mounting the root dir
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09:57 | /opt/ltsp-4.3/i386
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09:57 | however I just 777d it
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09:57 | <ogra> mrchicken, did you fix your /etc/exports ?
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09:58 | <vagrantc> ltsp-4.3 ??
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09:58 | <mrchicken> 4.2 sorry
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09:58 | :P
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10:00 | just did ... let me reboot and see
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10:00 | same error
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10:10 | <mrchicken> grrrr
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10:11 | now my computer decided to shut down
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10:11 | anyway...
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10:15 | I still get the same error
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10:16 | /opt/lts-4.2/i386 forbidden
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10:16 | and I have it now in my exports
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10:16 | and its 777d
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10:19 | <jammcq> mrchicken: run this: showmount -e
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10:20 | <mrchicken> hello??
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10:20 | <ogra> mrchicken, just do what jammcq said
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10:20 | <cliebow> jammcq:shouldnt ltsp-server-standalone give me kernels in /var/lib/tftpboot?
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10:21 | <jammcq> cliebow: that's a question for ogra
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10:21 | <ogra> cliebow, ltsp-update-kernels should ...
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10:21 | <cliebow> k
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10:21 | <ogra> which is run by ltsp-build-client as last command
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10:21 | so yes, it should
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10:21 | unles you do cross arch stuff
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10:22 | <vagrantc> well, even if you do cross arch stuff
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10:23 | <ogra> then you run ltsp-build-client on the client arch ...
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10:23 | <vagrantc> ah, yes. but ltsp-update-kernels will still copy the kernels and such
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10:23 | <ogra> so ltsp-update-kernels wont run on the server and you need to run it manually
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10:24 | <vagrantc> i really wish i had finished my ltsp-update-kernels patches in time for etch so that you almost never need to run ltsp-update-kernels
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10:24 | i think it works, but i haven't tested it much, as other issues took priority
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10:24 | <ogra> well, there is always etch+1 :)
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10:25 | <vagrantc> ogra: not neccesarily... :)
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10:25 | <ogra> heh
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10:25 | <vagrantc> this is the point in the debian release cycle where ... things are very frustrating
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10:26 | its close enough to release i dont want to break anything, and yet... gah. its stalled.
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10:27 | <jammcq> ogra: if ltsp-update-kernels only copies files, why can't it run cross-architecture?
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10:27 | <ogra> yeah
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10:27 | jammcq, it can
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10:28 | * jammcq must be confused | |
10:28 | <ogra> the prob is that yu nfs mount /opt/ltsp from the server to the client to run ltsp-build-client
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10:28 | so you dont have access to /var/lib/tftpboot ...
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10:28 | <jammcq> ah
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10:29 | <ogra> if you export both and mount both rw it will work
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10:29 | but usualy you have a tarball or something ... so you need to run the copying command after untarring
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10:30 | <ogra> thats why vagrantc splitted the arch indepedent parts out ....
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10:30 | <mrchicken> Grrr my ISp is getting on my nerves
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10:30 | anyway
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10:31 | I'm still getting the nfs mount error reason: permission denied when trying to boot from a workstation
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10:32 | exports is OK and the dir is 777d
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10:32 | <ogra> what does showmount -e return ?
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10:33 | <mrchicken> Export list for ltsp:
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10:33 | <cliebow> i set aside me old chroot and building over
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10:33 | <mrchicken> grrr
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10:33 | /opt/ltsp 192.168.99.0/255.255.255.0
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10:33 | /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles 192.168.99.0/255.255.255.0
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10:33 | <ogra> and what dr are you trying to mount ?
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10:34 | *dir
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10:34 | <jammcq> mrchicken: did you edit /etc/exports ?
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10:34 | <mrchicken> yes
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10:34 | just realized I hadnt reloaded nfs deamon
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10:34 | <jammcq> then you probably forgot to run: exportfs -ra
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10:34 | <mrchicken> :$
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10:34 | <jammcq> ok, I gotta run. meeting to attend
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10:34 | <mrchicken> ko thnx
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10:34 | <cliebow> welcome you are
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10:35 | <mrchicken> now it complains about lts.conf
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10:35 | there is an lts.conf.readme
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10:36 | is there anything special I should get in there or do I just rename it?
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10:36 | <cliebow> start with th default..this is 4.2 right??
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10:36 | <vagrantc> !lts.conf
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10:36 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "lts.conf" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtsConf
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10:36 | <mrchicken> yes
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10:37 | <cliebow> what video card is in your Client?
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10:37 | <mrchicken> ummm it should be an ATI Radeon
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10:37 | <cliebow> should autodetect
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10:40 | mrchicken, be careful editting lts.conf..extra characters inserted by editors like gedit can bork it
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10:44 | <mrchicken> can I add a mouse_device=Auto?
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10:45 | <mrchicken> since I have some computers that use ps2 and anothers use serial
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10:45 | ?
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10:46 | ummmm
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10:46 | ok
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10:47 | now it stalls in rc.sysinit completed
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10:50 | ok its working now
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10:50 | THANK YOU ALL!!
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10:51 | bye
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10:52 | <ltsppbot> "cliebow" pasted "ltsp-build-client" (29 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/37
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10:53 | <cliebow> ogra: there is end of ltsp-build-client..
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10:57 | <vagrantc> what do you mean the end? we're just getting started :)
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10:58 | cliebow: from the lack of localization support, i'm guessing this is ubuntu? :)
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10:58 | <cliebow> the end for me 8~)..i dont ave any kernels..yep its feisty
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10:59 | <vagrantc> ogra: don't you basically just need to install the language packages or something into the ltsp chroot to get those ugly locale warnings to disappear?
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11:00 | <ogra> no
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11:00 | <vagrantc> cliebow: you could run in verbose mode, to find out which plugin is causing it
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11:01 | cliebow: "ltsp-build-client --debug" i think
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11:01 | <ogra> but i have a locale plugin to add wit5h my next upload
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11:01 | <vagrantc> ah, good.
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11:01 | <cliebow> it seems to crap out before addresssing the kernel issue??
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11:02 | ahh
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11:02 | <ogra> locale and console handling are different in ubuntu, so i cant just use yours
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11:03 | <vagrantc> ogra: no, i know you can't use debian's, but i'magine its not real difficult
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11:03 | <ogra> well
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11:03 | <vagrantc> and sounds like you've already done it
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11:03 | <ogra> i want to preseed X as wel with the right keymap
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11:03 | <vagrantc> ooooh. fancy.
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11:03 | <ogra> but thats the part which is a bit tricky
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11:03 | * vagrantc needs to remember to stop typing 's before going to work. | |
11:04 | <vagrantc> speaking of which ....
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11:04 | <ogra> meh, i wanted to ask him something about that tricky part ... :/
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11:17 | <cliebow> ogra:looksw to me like it borks if /p[roc/self/fd exists
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11:17 | <ogra> cliebow, dont run ltsp-build-client on unclean targets ...
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11:17 | sudo rm -rf /opt/ltsp/i386 && sudo ltsp-build-client
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11:18 | <cliebow> have done so
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11:18 | but let me screw with it
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11:18 | <ogra> the fd only exists if you install to an existing chroot ...
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11:19 | so somehow your rm -rf didnt wipe everything
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11:19 | <cliebow> k
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11:31 | <cliebow> ogra:dies every time with /opt having no ltsp in it at all
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11:32 | <ogra> weird
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11:32 | did you put any own plugins in place or something ?
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11:33 | <cliebow> i had an /opt/ltsp/powerpc taken from an ibook there..but i moved it back to /
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11:39 | <cliebow> ogra:dont stress..just testing..
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12:02 | <ogra> cliebow, hmm, seems to be recent bug, did yu test that in feisty ? i see it as well
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12:04 | <CapriCoRN^80> hi ltsp5 version is available for suse ?
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12:05 | <ogra> nope
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12:07 | <whiprush> hi ogra!
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12:07 | <ogra> whiprush, !!!
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12:07 | back to the OSS world again ?
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12:07 | <whiprush> ogra: we're setting up a feisty/ltsp dev environment this week, anything specific you need tested?
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12:08 | ogra: heh, work related.
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12:08 | <CapriCoRN^80> hi ltsp5 version is available for suse ?
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12:09 | <ogra> nothing in particular, sound was redesigned for feisty, would make sense to focus on testing there
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12:09 | CapriCoRN^80, nope (as i said before)
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12:10 | apart from that there have been more bugfixes than development in feisty ... python-ltp is new, but thats rather for UI developers to write management tools
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12:10 | *python-ltsp
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12:10 | <CapriCoRN^80> sorry i didnt get that
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12:11 | <ogra> np :)
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12:11 | <CapriCoRN^80> ogra: u setup ltsp on ubuntu ?
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12:12 | <ogra> yep
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12:13 | <CapriCoRN^80> u ever had usb problem on it ?
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12:13 | <ogra> nope
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12:13 | works fine
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12:13 | whats your problem ?
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12:14 | <CapriCoRN^80> i had lot of problems as i m using k12ltsp distro . but they were fixed .i was thinking may be ubuntu might be good in terms of that
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12:15 | coz i never heard some ubuntu user saying that they having usb problmes
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12:15 | problems *
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12:15 | <ogra> ltsp5 is a completely new implementation ... its not very comaprable to k12 on a technical level
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12:16 | <CapriCoRN^80> yea thats y its not available for k12ltsp distro .. i was checking ltsp.org
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12:16 | wat new ltsp5 got ?
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12:19 | <ogra> its a complete different implementation, based on the package selection of the servers distro ... istead of a monolithic tarball
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12:20 | i.e. in ubuntu ltsp clients use all the ubuntu hardware detection etc ... in debian debians ....
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12:33 | <jammcq> ogra: hey, is feisty_edubuntu going to support Etherboot out of the box?
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12:35 | <ogra> jammcq, nohing chnaged wrt edgy, so yes
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12:35 | (sorry, mouth full)
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12:36 | <jammcq> so, edgy supports it too? no need to install mknbi separately?
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12:36 | <ogra> no, it should work out of the box ... we merged the code together in detroit, remember ?
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12:36 | <jammcq> yeah, I just wasn't really sure that it actually made it into edgy officially
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12:36 | <ogra> it did
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12:37 | but please test it if you have th etime to be sure
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12:37 | <jammcq> cool. i'm just responding to someone's email on the k12 list, where he said if you have etherboot clients, you shouldn't install edubuntu
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12:37 | <ogra> there might be regressions i havent found
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12:37 | <jammcq> i'll set him straight
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12:38 | ok, thanks. back to my meeting now, talk to ya later
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12:39 | <ltsppbot> "ogra" pasted "new /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Ubuntu/010-mount-proc for cliebow (fixes the /proc/fd issue)" (13 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/38
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13:07 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> jammcq: hi
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13:12 | <cliebow> ogra:that was in feisty..
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13:12 | <ogra> cliebow, so use the paste i made, it fixes it
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13:14 | <cliebow> beautiful..giving it a try!
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13:24 | ogra:seems to be cooking with Gas now 8~)
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13:24 | <ogra> :)
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13:39 | <cliebow> did the trick! might give it a whirl this P.M. if i can get the toime
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14:01 | <cliebow> DUDE:first try!!
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14:33 | <pscheie> ogra: where can one find the source code for student-control-panel?
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14:33 | <jammcq> it's python
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14:33 | you should have it on your ubuntu system
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14:37 | <pscheie> oh, ok
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14:39 | <cliebow> jammq:you have the autoswitch piece for ppc architecture somewhere?
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14:39 | for dhcpd.conf
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14:42 | <jammcq> autoswitch? oh, the dhcpd.conf stuff
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14:42 | it's on the wiki
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14:42 | <pscheie> found it; thanks jammcq
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14:42 | <jammcq> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DHCP#How_to_automatically_pass_the_co
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14:45 | <cliebow> for three parameters..in dhcpd.conf if elseif else?
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14:45 | <jammcq> umm, you'd have to check the dhcpd.conf man page
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14:45 | I don't have my book handy
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14:45 | <cliebow> cool
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14:49 | <prpplague> jammcq: hey hey, whats cookin? doing any conferences lately?
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14:50 | <jammcq> prpplague: hey buddy
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14:50 | haven't been to a conf in a while, but i'm heading down to brazil next month
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14:51 | <cliebow> elsif
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14:51 | <prpplague> jammcq: lovely
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14:52 | jammcq: guess you'll have to be extra careful
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14:52 | <jammcq> yeah, thanks to your buddy who visited there yesterday
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14:53 | <prpplague> jammcq: why do people always assume that just because he's from texas that everyone is his buddy? hehe
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14:53 | <agliodbs> jammcq: hey, how far is ottawa for you?
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14:54 | <jammcq> prpplague: cuz I know who you voted for, that's why
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14:54 | agliodbs: Ottawa is about 620 miles
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14:54 | <prpplague> jammcq: only the first time, not the second
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14:54 | <jammcq> prpplague: only cuz you were out of the country
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14:54 | but you would have
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14:54 | <agliodbs> jammcq: so much futher than toronto
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14:54 | ok
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14:54 | <prpplague> jammcq: actually i did vote, and didn't vote for him
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14:55 | <agliodbs> pgcon this year is in Ottawa
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14:55 | <jammcq> agliodbs: yeah, toronto is the half-way point
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14:55 | oooh, dates?
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14:55 | ottawa is a great town
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14:55 | <agliodbs> www.pgcon.org
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14:55 | and this time we won't run out of space
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14:55 | <prpplague> jammcq: hehe, fun time at OLS
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14:56 | <jammcq> agliodbs: hmm, that date might be a problem for me, but if I can make it, i'll try and be there
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14:56 | <agliodbs> yah?
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14:56 | it's my birthday ;-)
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14:56 | <jammcq> which day?
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14:56 | <agliodbs> 5/23
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14:56 | <jammcq> mines 5/24
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14:56 | <agliodbs> huh
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14:56 | <jammcq> hmm, could be LOTS of fun there
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14:57 | <agliodbs> yah
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14:57 | esp since I'm not running the con this time
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14:57 | so I can go out
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14:57 | <jammcq> yeah, have a chance to enjoy the city
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15:00 | <prpplague> jammcq: seen some of the new small thin clients on linuxdevices lately?
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15:00 | <jammcq> prpplague: yeah, we're talking with some of the companies
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15:00 | working out details
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15:01 | <prpplague> jammcq: cool deal, i personally haven't done much with TC's in ages, but i like to keep an eye out for them
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15:03 | <prpplague> jammcq: you looked at using the AMD PIC ?
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15:03 | <jammcq> nope
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15:03 | haven't had a chance yet
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15:04 | <prpplague> jammcq: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2480574574.html
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15:04 | jammcq: new company selling them now
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15:05 | <jammcq> http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS6828123924.html
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15:05 | that's one we're looking at
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15:06 | <prpplague> ahh yea, saw that one online, looks pretty decent
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15:07 | * efra_away is away: I'm out to lunch | Sali a comer | |
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16:04 | <Core> hello evrybody
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16:04 | Can I ask 1 simple ? about ltsp ?
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16:05 | <pscheie> Core: ask away
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16:08 | <Core> I used xubuntu, it did l the installations(all server side services and client image) dhcpd gives address, tftp boots kernel. I deleted 'quite' option so I could see whats going on. It looks ok, no errors, but when it switches to X, I dont get anything - plain black screen!
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16:08 | and the freezed system. I use VMware for both server and diskless client
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16:19 | <mrchicken> Hello =)
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16:19 | Me again :P:P
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16:20 | Now i'm trying to boot a client from the 3.5" drive using rom-o-matic roms
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16:20 | but it wont boot
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16:21 | it will just stall and show funny numbers
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16:24 | in my logs I see this:
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16:24 | Mar 9 17:23:27 ltsp atftpd[6266]: Serving /tftpboot/lts/2.6.17.8-ltsp-1/ to 192.168.99.247:2010
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16:24 | Mar 9 17:23:31 ltsp atftpd[6266]: timeout: retrying...
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17:31 | <erdinc> hi everyone
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17:35 | * erdinc bye aLL... | |
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17:43 | <cliebow> WOOT! broadcom works
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19:31 | <g333k_laptop> hi, how can I get the ltsp's source code?
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20:03 | <g333k_laptop> anybody home?
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20:47 | <Davo_Dinkum> Is there a CD that can let you boot from the NIC?
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20:47 | For LTSP client purposes.
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20:50 | Oh right I just install the package
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20:50 | nm
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21:58 | <sbalneav> hold onto your hats
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21:58 | <jammcq> heh, the bot is on the other side of the split
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21:58 | <sbalneav> ltspbot: stat
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21:58 | ltspbot: status
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21:58 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: I am connected to freenode as ltspbot.
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21:58 | sbalneav: Error: "stat" is not a valid command.
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21:58 | <sbalneav> ltspbot: learn monkey as SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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21:58 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: The operation succeeded.
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21:58 | <sbalneav> !monkey
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21:58 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "monkey" is SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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21:59 | <sbalneav> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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22:00 | <jammcq> so, I need those scripts you worked on last week
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22:00 | <sbalneav> Oh! Sure.
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22:00 | hold on.
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22:00 | <jammcq> did you get my voicemail?
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22:00 | <sbalneav> No, just got back from bringing the kid back from a birthday party
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22:00 | hold on, I'll go check.
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22:02 | I've got the update kernels, the sshkeys one I figured would run "as is"
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22:02 | hold on, I'll scp to dev
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22:02 | <jammcq> k
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22:02 | tanks
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22:02 | <sbalneav> T-34, King Tiger, or Sherman?
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22:03 | in /tmp
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22:03 | <jammcq> huh?
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22:04 | <sbalneav> the script's in /tmp on www.ltsp.org
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22:04 | <jammcq> oh, that's not dev, but that's ok
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22:04 | <sbalneav> oh, sorry
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22:06 | <jammcq> sbalneav: ok, here's the $50 question of the day:
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22:20 | <Davo_Dinkum> Which would be better for an ltsp server: a Pentium III 800Mhz or a Celeron 1.1Ghz?
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22:21 | <jammcq> the most important thing is how much ram in the server
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22:22 | <Davo_Dinkum> i know, but, P3 or cel?
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22:22 | <jammcq> after that, i'd check the bus speed on the motherboard
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22:22 | <Davo_Dinkum> They're probably both 13Mhz
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22:22 | 133
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22:23 | <jammcq> hmm, they'd probably perform about the same
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22:31 | <Lumiere> I'd say the PIII
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22:31 | it probably has more L2 Cache
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22:31 | which is what would make the difference between the 2
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22:34 | <Davo_Dinkum> Yeah I was thinking that
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22:38 | 800Mhz PIIIs have a 256k L2 cache
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22:39 | <vagrantc> sbalneav, jammcq : sooooo.... why not put them in /opt/ltsp/ubuntu-feisty-i386 and /opt/ltsp/debian-etch-i386 and put things into $TFTPDIR/ltsp/ubuntu-feisty-i386 and $TFTPDIR/ltsp/debian-etch-i386 ... ?
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22:39 | that would be more similar to how the ltsp-update-kernels works on ubuntu and debian
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22:40 | <jammcq> vagrantc: that's zackly what I was thinking
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22:40 | <vagrantc> jammcq: including a sub-dir in the tftpdir...
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22:41 | <jammcq> yepper
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22:41 | <vagrantc> why do you need a different script at all?
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22:41 | <Davo_Dinkum> The celeron has a 100Mhz FSB I think
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22:41 | <jammcq> does the script already do that?
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22:41 | <vagrantc> yes.
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22:41 | <jammcq> well then, maybe it's ok
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22:42 | <vagrantc> well, the one in debian and ubuntu, anyways.
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22:43 | it basically copies /opt/ltsp/*/boot/ to /var/lib/tftpboot/*
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22:43 | <jammcq> I'll test it in a bit
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22:43 | <vagrantc> with /opt/ltsp and /var/lib/tftpboot being variabalized
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22:43 | <jammcq> watching a movie right now
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22:43 | <vagrantc> watch away, i've got to do dishes :)
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22:44 | <jammcq> for file in $CHROOT/boot/vmlinu* $CHROOT/boot/initrd.img* $CHROOT/bo
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22:44 | if [ -f "$file" ]; then
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22:44 | cp -a -v "$file" $TFTP_CHROOT
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22:44 | umm, that' ain't gonna do it
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22:45 | <Davo_Dinkum> Tualatin-256 Celerons can be easily overclocked it seems.
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22:45 | <vagrantc> jammcq: that is like so last year
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22:45 | <jammcq> that's from edgy. I'll grab the one from feisty and see if it's better
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22:47 | if [ "$COPYTFTP" = "true" ]; then
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22:47 | mkdir -p $TFTPBOOT/$CHROOT_NAME
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22:47 | cp -a -v $CHROOT/boot/. $TFTPBOOT/$CHROOT_NAME/
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22:47 | fi
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22:47 | * vagrantc wonders what kind of movie jammcq is watching that involves perusing code | |
22:47 | <jammcq> heh
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22:48 | the Client
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22:48 | not Thin Client :)
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22:48 | <vagrantc> heh
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