IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 10 October 2015 (all times are UTC)
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| 12:33 | <markit> work_alkisg: hi, how are you? You have recentrly fixed a bug I reported about shell assistance in Epoptes, thanks (#1117158)
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| 12:34 | urgh, my client is slow in reporting user's status
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| 12:47 | <work_alkisg> hi markit
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| 12:47 | is it working in kde now?
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| 13:04 | <markit> work_alkisg: not yet tested :)
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| 13:04 | <markit> is it already in your repo packages?
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| 13:05 | work_alkisg is now known as alkisg | |
| 13:05 | <alkisg> markit: yes, it's in the stable epoptes ppa
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| 13:06 | <markit> fine. I don't know how will be the future in "my" schools, the former "chief" ("school's "president"") has been transferred, and while we are waiting for the new one, a new professor from another school teaches here now, and he is a "windows everywhere" gui
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| 13:06 | guy
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| 13:06 | so I've bad feelings about the FOSS future of the school
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| 13:07 | * alkisg wishes good luck to markit :) | |
| 13:07 | <alkisg> I don't mind at all about windows etc, if they have the money to give licenses to all teachers and students...
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| 13:07 | At theirs homes as well, so that they can studey
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| 13:07 | *study
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| 13:08 | <markit> for me is not about money, but teach students tech freedom
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| 13:08 | <alkisg> automobiles were never free, I don't mind about that
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| 13:08 | It's good to have something to base new work on
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| 13:08 | But it's not necessary
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| 13:08 | <markit> and in any case, you have to subtract money from other stuff if you want to buy licenses (M$ gives it for a cheap price to schools)
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| 13:08 | <alkisg> But equal chances in education for me is absolutely necessary
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| 13:09 | <markit> so better use windows since everyone has?
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| 13:09 | <alkisg> It's not only about schools
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| 13:09 | Does MS give it for free for students to install it to their homes?
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| 13:09 | In some universities, it does
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| 13:09 | <markit> here too
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| 13:10 | <alkisg> If it did in all of the education, (along with all the other necessary programs), then I wouldn't mind
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| 13:10 | But here no, we all have to pay
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| 13:10 | <markit> national agreement with universities
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| 13:10 | <alkisg> Primary and secondary schools need 150€ for windows, 200 for office etc, per seat
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| 13:10 | <markit> so the day M$ will give it for free, you will abandon ltsp
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| 13:10 | <alkisg> Students and teachers as well
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| 13:10 | I didn't say that
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| 13:10 | I said that it was a requiement for me
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| 13:10 | <markit> impossible, M$ wants you to become addicted to their products
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| 13:10 | <alkisg> There are other variables before I decide
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| 13:11 | <markit> they offere "educational licenses discount"
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| 13:11 | for schools and home, AFAIK
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| 13:11 | <alkisg> Like, can I redistribute it? Can I base some new work on top of it? Etc
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| 13:11 | But the `equal chances in education` is a requirement for me, not negotiable
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| 13:12 | <markit> alkisg: but your students and teachers probably are not able to have GNU/linux at home, they have windows and M$ Office (maybe pirated)
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| 13:12 | <alkisg> In my city things changed :)
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| 13:12 | Now we have 90% of schools with ltsp
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| 13:12 | (primary and secondary)
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| 13:12 | <markit> I hear this objection from teachers here: I don't know kde, I've M$ at home
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| 13:12 | <alkisg> So the teachers have also installed linux at home
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| 13:13 | <markit> alkisg: yep, but average teacher can't install neither libreoffice in M$ windows
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| 13:13 | at least here
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| 13:13 | you figure a new OS
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| 13:13 | <alkisg> They can install office but not libreoffice?
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| 13:13 | <markit> also UEFI does not help at all
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| 13:13 | no, they have M$ office oem installed, or a friend of them installing a pirated copy
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| 13:14 | <alkisg> The friend can install libreoffice
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| 13:14 | <markit> or in any case, is a matter of insert the CD and press "go"
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| 13:14 | I know, but is just an excuses
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| 13:14 | <alkisg> I never saw installation being an issue for office suites
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| 13:14 | <markit> and they know M$office, not libreoffice
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| 13:14 | and also, is better have for free a 400$ office than have for free a 0$ libreoffice
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| 13:14 | don't you knoe? ;P
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| 13:14 | know
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| 13:15 | there is a little story very interesting about psycology
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| 13:15 | <alkisg> We don't have such immature excuses here, no
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| 13:15 | <markit> one had a refrigerator working but buyed a bigger one
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| 13:15 | so put the "old" one in the garden with a table saying
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| 13:15 | "take, it's free"
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| 13:15 | after 10 days the refrigerator was still there, no one picked it up
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| 13:16 | then changed the table with this writing
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| 13:16 | <alkisg> Here they would pick it up in 10 seconds :)
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| 13:16 | <markit> "200$ price"
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| 13:16 | the day after some took it
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| 13:17 | aren't all greek pc sold with M$ OS preinstalled?
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| 13:17 | and with M$Office pirated?
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| 13:17 | then you ask someone to change his habbit installing Libreoffice
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| 13:17 | or also GNU/Linux and all different set of programs
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| 13:17 | no way
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| 13:18 | now Vista10 has a interface more similar to Win7, so there is less shock than it was with Win8
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| 13:19 | 3 days ago I talked with a teacher of italian literature, I talked about using libreoffice. He asked "does word of libreoffice have the "eraser" to erase cell borders?"
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| 13:19 | I replied "no, AFAIK"
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| 13:19 | and he "oh, what a pity, I need it, sorry"
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| 13:20 | so he can't teach with LibreOffice :(
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| 13:20 | but seems that if you give them libo you are attaccking their own life, their God, their religion
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| 13:21 | I'm shocked about the defensive reaction I get
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| 13:21 | but I read a lot in forums and discussions below articles attitudes like that
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| 13:21 | the Apple or M$ fanboy
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| 13:28 | * alkisg surely doesn't need to be convinced about the floss benefits, but he wishes markit can persuade the school teachers, the headmaster etc | |
| 13:28 | <alkisg> Kids call, later!
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| 13:30 | <markit> alkisg: thanks :)
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| 21:54 | <vagrantc> hrm.
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| 21:54 | still haven't gotten LTSP uploaded.
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| 21:54 | * vagrantc wonders what that means for ubuntu | |
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| 23:49 | <vagrantc> the last thing i really need to fix is encrypted swap
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