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Channel log from 19 October 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:45 | <jimjimovich> Hi everyone
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| 02:45 | Is it possible to print form local apps on a thin client to a printer attached to that thin client?
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| 02:46 | I installed cups but it doesn't automatically recognize the printer, I figure I need to configure it, but I'm not sure how to do that
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| 02:46 | <muppis> Yes. Look for lts.conf
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| 02:47 | <jimjimovich> I have lts.conf configured and all is well for apps running on the server, but when running locally, it doesn't see the printers
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| 02:49 | <Appiah> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=4AC4CF77.4040904%40arkki.info&forum_name=ltsp-discuss (Aout printing from local app)
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| 02:56 | <alkisg> Try also accessing http://127.0.0.1:631 from the local browser
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| 03:07 | <jimjimovich> alkisg: that works and i see my local cups server but there are no printers there. is it possible to have local apps print to the cups server on the ltsp server?
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| 03:08 | <alkisg> Erm, you asked about thin => thin,
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| 03:08 | not thin => server - which one do you want?
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| 03:09 | <jimjimovich> well, i wanted thin => thin, but started reading the links about it and see that people are doing thin => server and thought that might be better
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| 03:09 | sorry about that confusion
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| 03:10 | <alkisg> Then installing cups on the chroot + publishing the printers on the server should automatically do it without adding anything to lts.conf
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| 03:10 | <jimjimovich> okay, I installed cups and it works on the thin, how do I do the publishing part?
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| 03:15 | never mind, figured it out
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| 03:15 | Thanks guys
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| 04:29 | <antilyman> hello
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| 04:30 | is there anyone here ?
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| 04:32 | <katsuwi> Hi everyone
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| 04:32 | <muppis> Hello.
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| 04:36 | <antilyman> hello
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| 04:37 | can I ask a question ?
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| 04:37 | <alkisg> !ask
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| 04:37 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: "ask" :: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least 15 minutes after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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| 04:37 | <antilyman> I'm trying to install ltsp on an ubuntu 10.04, I followed the instructions, and the thin client can boot from ethernet
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| 04:38 | but then it hangs after "..........done"
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| 04:38 | I couldn't see what were on the screen before that
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| 04:39 | I searched on the net but couldn't find anything
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| 04:39 | <alkisg> sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 04:39 | remove "quiet splash" from there
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| 04:40 | Restart client and watch for any error messages
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| 04:52 | <antilyman> @alksig: ok, I'll try this
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| 05:00 | @alkisg: it still hangs after "......done" seems like it's a kernel panic as vernum doesn't seem to work
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| 05:01 | <alkisg> antilyman: then the lucid kernel isn't appropriate for that hardware, ask in #ubuntu for ways to find/build an appropriate kernel
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| 05:02 | e.g. try reproducing this with a live usb stick
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| 05:03 | <antilyman> @alkisg: ok, i'll try to boot the system with the same system before retrying ltsp, thank you
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| 05:07 | <Zanchey> hi all, wondering if I could get some help with localdev/ltspfs mounting using LTSP 5.1 on debian lenny.
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| 05:07 | when I plug in a usb stick or whatever it doesn't mount properly
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| 05:08 | I've been following the directions in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev and everything works until step 4
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| 05:10 | when I use `ssh -t -X -S /var/run/ldm_socket_vt7_130.95.13.42 meersau "/usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter /tmp add"` the command completes successfully, but I end up with /media/zanchey with permissions root:root 0700 (and /media/zanchey/tmp owned by zanchey)
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| 05:14 | <Zanchey> the only change I've made from stock install is making /dev/fuse and /usr/bin/fusermount rw and rx by everyone respectively, as we have too many users to put them all into the fuse group
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| 05:44 | <Uzzi> hi
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| 05:46 | I've installed LTSP on ubuntu server 10.01. The client now have black screen and ldm not appar
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| 05:46 | sorry for my poor english
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| 05:48 | <Appiah> 10.04 ?
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| 05:48 | <Uzzi> yes
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| 05:48 | sorry :D
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| 05:48 | <Appiah> was it working before or is it a fresh install?
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| 05:49 | <Uzzi> is a new/first installation
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| 05:50 | <Appiah> does the monitor say no signal or signal out of range or something like that?
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| 05:51 | <Uzzi> it's a laptop the client
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| 05:52 | <Appiah> check the /var/log/Xorg.* log
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| 05:53 | and see if it tries to set a resolution that the laptop dont support
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| 05:53 | <arthurlutz> hi
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| 05:53 | i'm looking for a way of disabling the "inventory" popup that I get at startup...
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| 05:54 | <Uzzi> mmm don't load X
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| 05:54 | <Appiah> ltsp-cluster arthurlutz ?
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| 05:54 | Uzzi: then the log shouls say why
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| 05:54 | <arthurlutz> Appiah... yep, sorry i wasn't precise
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| 05:55 | <Appiah> I remeber you have to go the ltsp-cluster webinterface
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| 05:55 | and move the client to a directory
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| 05:55 | then the window will stop poping up
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| 05:55 | directory/category/whatever
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| 05:55 | <Uzzi> there isn't Xorg log
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| 05:56 | <Appiah> whats your lts.conf like Uzzi ?
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| 05:56 | try removing quiet and splash from the boot and see what happens
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| 05:56 | <Uzzi> it's very minimal http://pastebin.com/uKUpb1tg
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| 05:57 | <Appiah> XSERVER = auto ?
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| 05:58 | is that the server ip for your server?
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| 05:59 | <Uzzi> yes
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| 05:59 | <Appiah> change XSERVER from auto to vesa
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| 06:00 | then try again
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| 06:00 | <arthurlutz> Appiah
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| 06:00 | Appiah : thanks
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| 06:01 | Appiah : this is one of the most counter-intuitive web interfaces I've used (sorry for those who developped it)
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| 06:01 | <Appiah> :D
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| 06:01 | only seen it once or twice
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| 06:01 | <arthurlutz> or maybe i'm missing some css or js to make it understandable
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| 06:01 | <Appiah> never "used" it
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| 06:02 | <Uzzi> after Starting LTSP Client [OK] Invalid card number---> then black screen
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| 06:02 | <Appiah> long time since I been to it.. thought that would change
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| 06:02 | if thats the current i'm sure they would like some help on making it nicer :)
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| 06:02 | <Appiah> they been more concentrated on the cluster function and ldm then the webinterface :D
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| 06:03 | <Appiah> "Invalid card number" never seen
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| 06:06 | <Uzzi> with vesa there are now new ipw2100 eth1 firmware error
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| 06:11 | than init process is blocked! Appiah
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| 06:12 | <muppis> Okey.. My idea using LTSP in HTPC is evolving.. Now I'm plan to add ultrastar-ng/performous-ng to be runned locally.
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| 06:14 | <luigi_> hello,can you help me please?
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| 06:15 | <Zanchey> depends, what's your question? :-)
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| 06:15 | <luigi_> i have a problem....i don't speak english very well
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| 06:15 | i have installed ltsp on debian 5
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| 06:16 | on my client,when boot, i have an error message: connection timed out 4x106035
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| 06:16 | <Appiah> Uzzi: strange never encouterd such problems
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| 06:16 | <elias_a> luigi_: Non é un problema. Go ahead and ask!
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| 06:16 | <luigi_> meno male!!!!
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| 06:16 | elias sei la mia salvezza!
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| 06:17 | <Zanchey> Uzzi: does your laptop boot with a linux usb stick?
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| 06:17 | <luigi_> no,debian is installed on my pc
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| 06:17 | <elias_a> luigi_: No grazie :) But: strange error.
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| 06:17 | <luigi_> i have changed and installed ubuntu.edubuntu,debian but error is alway present
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| 06:17 | <elias_a> What is your network setup like? 1 NIC or 2?
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| 06:18 | <luigi_> 1 nic on server
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| 06:18 | and 1 nic or 2 nic on the clients
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| 06:19 | boot on client is with pxe 2.3 or etherboot
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| 06:19 | <luigi_> help me please.... :( :(
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| 06:20 | <elias_a> luigi_: And the same error if you use a different client?
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| 06:21 | What harware is the client?
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| 06:21 | <elias_a> hardware...
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| 06:21 | <luigi_> amd sempron and pentium mmx with 64 or 128 Mbyte RAM
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| 06:22 | <elias_a> :D
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| 06:22 | <Appiah> O_o
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| 06:22 | Pentium 1 and Pentium 2 ?
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| 06:22 | <luigi_> other clients pentium 4
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| 06:22 | pentium 2
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| 06:23 | <luigi_> i have serched on the internet for this error but not solution... :(
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| 06:23 | <luigi_> is a month I try to run ltsp but ....
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| 06:24 | now i have ltsp on debian 5 lenny
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| 06:25 | <Appiah> when do you get this connection timed out?
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| 06:25 | is it always 4x106035 ?
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| 06:25 | do you get that on all your clients?
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| 06:26 | <luigi_> no,only in 7-8
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| 06:27 | <Appiah> 7-8 what
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| 06:27 | <luigi_> problem with 4x106035
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| 06:27 | in the other ltsp is ok
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| 06:28 | <Appiah> are you saying about 7 or 8 clients have this issue?
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| 06:28 | and they all get 4x106035
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| 06:30 | <luigi_> yes
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| 06:30 | <Appiah> does it say anthing more then connecton timed out?
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| 06:30 | what does it say before that
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| 06:30 | <luigi_> this is my configuration file:
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| 06:31 | #
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| 06:31 | ops
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| 06:32 | authoritative;
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| 06:32 | subnet 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
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| 06:32 | range 192.168.1.141 192.168.1.180;
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| 06:32 | option domain-name "example.com";
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| 06:32 | <muppis> !pastebin
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| 06:32 | <ltspbot`> muppis: "pastebin" :: try !pastebot
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| 06:32 | <muppis> !pastebot
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| 06:32 | <ltspbot`> muppis: "pastebot" :: The LTSP pastebot is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 06:32 | <luigi_> ok,excuse me
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| 06:33 | !pastebot
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| 06:33 | <ltspbot`> luigi_: "pastebot" :: The LTSP pastebot is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 06:34 | <luigi_> http://ltsp.pastebin.com/MybdfG2N
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| 06:35 | <Appiah> so luigi_ I ask you again
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| 06:36 | which step in the booting process gives you connection timed out?
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| 06:37 | <luigi_> i insert floppy disk with pxe (all driver) and message is: DHCP Server searched: ...........
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| 06:37 | after 10 seconds message is: connection timed out 4x106035
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| 06:38 | N)O IP address
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| 06:39 | <Appiah> ok
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| 06:39 | so your mainboard/network card dont supoprt PXEboot?
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| 06:39 | have you tride gpxe?
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| 06:40 | (starting to belive this is not a ltsp issue)
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| 06:41 | <luigi_> my nic is: sis900
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| 06:41 | <Appiah> so what do you have on your floppy disk with pxe?
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| 06:41 | <luigi_> yes,gpxe 1.01
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| 06:42 | pxe 2.3 on my integrated nic
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| 06:42 | <Appiah> does the intergrated nic work?
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| 06:42 | <davidj> luigi: Have you tried using the PXE in the integrated nic?
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| 06:43 | <luigi_> work sometimes on my integrated nic
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| 06:43 | yes but work sometimes
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| 06:43 | the problem is nic?
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| 06:44 | <Appiah> so whats the ERROR when it does not work on the intergrated nic?
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| 06:44 | <luigi_> connection timed out 4x0c106035
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| 06:44 | <Appiah> wasent that for gpxe?
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| 06:45 | <luigi_> work in 5-6 clients but in 7-8 clients not work...
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| 06:46 | <Appiah> tell me this
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| 06:46 | <davidj> luigi_: When debugging, I find that it helps to make things simple.
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| 06:46 | <Appiah> clients faling to boot : what error do you get when booting on pxe and what error does gpxe give?
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| 06:47 | or are you saying they give the exact same error message?
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| 06:47 | <luigi_> excuse but i am novice....where is debug?
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| 06:47 | <davidj> "debug" means to determine the primary cause of the problem.
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| 06:47 | <luigi_> ah,sorry... :(
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| 06:48 | <davidj> luigi_: Pick either Gpxe or the PXE built into the nic.
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| 06:48 | luigi_: 2, pick one machine that works and one machine that does not.
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| 06:48 | <luigi_> in client with gpxe error is: connection timed out (4x0c106035)
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| 06:48 | <davidj> 3, try to boot both of them and compare that is different.
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| 06:49 | <luigi_> in ither clients with pxe work
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| 06:49 | other
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| 06:49 | <Appiah> then you should ask in #etherboot
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| 06:49 | <davidj> luigi_: Do you mean that both machines work if you use PXE?
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| 06:49 | <Appiah> it's a gpxe issue not a ltsp issue
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| 06:50 | <luigi_> with etherboot not find DHCP3 Server and message is: .No IP Address
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| 06:51 | yes.If i boot with PXE work, but with Gpxe or etherboot work sometimes
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| 06:51 | <Appiah> then ask about gpxe and etherboot to the etherboot channel :)
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| 06:51 | <davidj> luigi_: PXE always works, gPXE only works sometimes? Why use gPXE if it works poorly?
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| 06:53 | <luigi_> PXE is on my integrated nic. In other nic i have not this....
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| 06:53 | <davidj> luigi_: Ah. Now I see what you are trying to do.
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| 06:53 | luigi_: How many machines are on your network?
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| 06:53 | luigi_: If you change your DHCP configuration, will you cause problems for others?
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| 06:54 | <luigi_> in my network pc is: 24
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| 06:55 | if i changed my DHCP configuration the problem is not changed
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| 06:55 | for boot my clients is good netboot disk?
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| 06:56 | http://www.netbootdisk.com/
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| 06:57 | <davidj> luigi_: I might suggest that you remove if substring( option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9 ) = "PXEClient" { filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0"; } else { filename "/ltsp/i386/nbi.img"; }
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| 06:57 | and use
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| 06:57 | filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";
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| 06:57 | instead.
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| 06:57 | <luigi_> remove this line?
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| 06:59 | <davidj> Yes. Remove those lines, and just use the 'filename "/ltsp(i386/pxelinux.0" ' line.
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| 06:59 | HOWEVER, this is just a test.
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| 06:59 | Do not delete those lines, just comment them out.
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| 07:00 | <luigi_> ok
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| 07:00 | <davidj> Look at http://ltsp.pastebin.com/KTRT5HvW
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| 07:00 | and see how I have commented out the conditional statements.
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| 07:01 | <luigi_> i have modify this line,saved it and launched: ltsp-update-sshkeys and ltsp-update-image
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| 07:01 | <davidj> This configuration will ALWAYS use pxelinux.0, which is probably not what you want in the end. This is just a test.
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| 07:01 | luigi_: You must restart the DHCP server, too.
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| 07:02 | <luigi_> yes i have restart DHCP server but error is always present.... :(
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| 07:03 | <davidj> luigi_: Have you checked the network cables?
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| 07:03 | <luigi_> yes...connection is present
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| 07:03 | <davidj> luigi_: Have you run wireshark on the server so that you can see the DHCP traffic from the client?
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| 07:03 | * Appiah still dont get what he is trying to do | |
| 07:04 | <Appiah> Problem: clients using gpxe/etherboot fails to pxeboot
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| 07:04 | correct?
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| 07:05 | <luigi_> with pxeboot ltsp is ok, but gpxe/etherboot work sometimes
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| 07:06 | davidj,what is sintax for wiresharks?
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| 07:08 | <Appiah> I would use good ol tcpdump
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| 07:10 | <davidj> EIther tcpdump or wireshark will let you see what is happening.
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| 07:11 | <elias_a> luigi_: Scusi, but I am in the middle of online conference so I cannot contribute much to your troubleshooting at the moment.
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| 07:17 | <luigi_> ok elias,this is not problem,thank you for support
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| 07:17 | davidj,excuse me,what is the sintax for test tcpdump
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| 07:28 | <davidj> luigi_: "tcpdump | grep -i boot"
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| 07:30 | Appiah: I think luigi_ has two sets of clients. One set has built-in PXE, one set does not. I think gPXE is rejecting something in his dhcpd configuration, although it's possible that he has a wiring problem or a problem with gPXE.
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| 07:32 | <davidj> the tcpdump should tell him whether gPXE is able to communicate with his DHCP server.
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| 07:34 | <Appiah> yes thats what I think too
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| 07:34 | but since he's using so old clients
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| 07:34 | I bet its a gpxe issue
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| 07:35 | gpxe driver issue*
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| 07:40 | <Uzzi> on ubuntu 10.04 this error: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/80_ltsp-sound: 7: /usr/bin/asoundconf: not found then Gnome doesn't start
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| 07:41 | <Appiah> remeber seeing about that bug in the mailing list long ago
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| 07:42 | <dgroos1> I added an app to my 10.04 thin-client server, made it work as a localapp but can't seem to get it added to everyone's application menu.
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| 07:42 | <Appiah> are you using cluster Uzzi ?
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| 07:43 | <Uzzi> ?
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| 07:43 | <Appiah> Uzzi: ltsp-cluster?
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| 07:43 | <Uzzi> no
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| 07:43 | <Appiah> ok
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| 07:44 | <dgroos1> I tried the procedures on: http://tuxtweaks.com/2009/07/how-to-add-item-gnome-menu/ but didn't work. Any ideas?
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| 07:44 | <Appiah> Uzzi is that when you log in?
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| 07:44 | or at the boot?
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| 07:44 | <Uzzi> yes
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| 07:44 | <Appiah> try logging in with a different user then
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| 07:44 | 2009/07 , might be out of date
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| 07:45 | if some gets it but some dont it might be beacuse the indivudal users are reading settings diffrently
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| 07:45 | some are forced to read /etc/ some have .gnome2/ settings overriding
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| 07:46 | <dgroos1> Appiah: I thought the problem might be that ltsp needs something different?
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| 07:46 | <Appiah> ltsp already got some localapp settings and I'm sure alot of them got imporved earlier this year
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| 07:46 | <dgroos1> I didn't find anything more recent. Seems like people would need to do this kind of often?
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| 07:47 | <Appiah> improved
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| 07:47 | LOCAL_APPS_MENU=True is this in your lts.conf dgroos1 ?
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| 07:47 | <dgroos1> I'll check...
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| 07:49 | <dgroos1> Yes, it is.
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| 07:50 | though with spaces between ...MENU = True. Does it matter?
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| 07:50 | <Appiah> no idea
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| 07:50 | <dgroos1> :) I'll check if it helps...
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| 07:51 | <Appiah> then there's LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITEMS=
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| 07:51 | and I'm not sure how that works
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| 07:52 | <dgroos1> I'm not too sure, either, but I've got it listed there--This app I'm using, CmapTools is listed there and it is booting as a LocalApp.
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| 07:53 | So people don't often have this challenge of adding a new app to a menu when using LTSP?
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| 07:54 | <Appiah> no idea , never used local app :D
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| 07:54 | so I havent followed the local app development
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| 07:55 | but it has come a long way! local app and fatclient "support"
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| 07:55 | <dgroos1> Sure. They are cool in that my server no longer bogs down when clients are watching a video or using CmapTools, both require a lot of processing power.
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| 07:55 | Though my clients are just old pentium 4's they work just fine for this.
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| 07:56 | Well, let's imagine I wasn't using localapps. Do you know how I would add an app to show up in a regular thin client menu?
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| 07:57 | <Appiah> install software
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| 07:57 | on the server
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| 07:57 | and it will show up in the menu ^^
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| 07:58 | <dgroos1> CmapTools has it's own graphical install program. I can make a launcher for it using this command: ltsp-localapps /usr/lib/IHMC_CmapTools/bin/CmapTools
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| 07:59 | <Appiah> oh
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| 07:59 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/GuiInstallLocalApp
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| 08:00 | <dgroos1> I just can't get this launcher to show up for everyone who signs in.
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| 08:00 | Yea, I made that page :)
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| 08:01 | <dgroos1> I removed the spaces on the lts.conf file and it didn't seem to change things.
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| 08:02 | <Uzzi> Appiah: with an other user it's the same
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| 08:03 | <dgroos1> Appiah: thanks for helping--I've got to get ready for students now--I'll be back after school :)
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| 08:24 | <rad4christ> Hey guys, a small public school district in SC has one of 5 LTSP labs in place!
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| 08:24 | Thanks so much for your work on this project!
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| 08:25 | <Appiah> dgroos1: huh? how did you solve it?
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| 08:25 | the space? :)
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| 08:25 | Uzzi: sorry no idea then
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| 08:58 | <rad4christ> If I wish to install iTALC on this LTSP server, do I need to install the client in the chroot?
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| 08:58 | <rad4christ> After installing the master on the server, I get the following message: There seems to be no iTALC service running on this computer ot the authentication-keys aren't setup properly.
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| 09:06 | OK, nevermind, reboot of server correct, but no ltsp machines are showing.
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| 09:10 | <alkisg> Did you logoff/logon some client?
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| 09:10 | Clients need to be logged on before starting iTalc
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| 09:10 | <rad4christ> I will, give me a second.
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| 09:12 | OK, that works, but what it my teacher logs off her session? Will she need to restart every client?
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| 09:14 | <alkisg> No
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| 09:15 | When iTalc is started, it automatically detects all the logged on clients. There's no "live autodetection", only "startup autodetection"
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| 09:15 | <rad4christ> alkisg: Thanks. It's my understanding that iTALC has basically replaced Thin ClientManager, correct?
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| 09:15 | <alkisg> You can create a .conf file with all the PCs if you want to always see them.
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| 09:15 | (i.e. disable autodetection)
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| 09:15 | <rad4christ> ok
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| 09:16 | <alkisg> I think so, I'm not using it, I think it's too buggy :)
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| 09:16 | <rad4christ> iTALC or TCM?
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| 09:16 | <alkisg> iTalc
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| 09:16 | Tcm is no longer actively maintained, I think it doesn't even start in recent Ubuntu versions
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| 09:16 | <rad4christ> I gotcha. Well, she has two rows of machines she can't see, I'm just trying to alleviate concern for her.
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| 09:17 | There was a small piece of code you could apply to a .py file to fix it, but if I can at least use iTalc to an overview of the PCs she can't see, and to reboot as necessary, I'm good.
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| 09:18 | Thanks for the help. I just need to figure out how to get a wine app to push it's shortcut to all users, and I'm done.
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| 09:18 | <alkisg> ok, hope it works for you.
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| 11:21 | <dgroos1> Hi again -- still trying to get an app I downloaded and installed via a separate graphical installer, to show up in a menu.
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| 11:21 | I'm using ltsp on 10.04
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| 11:22 | Tried this: http://tuxtweaks.com/2009/07/how-to-add-item-gnome-menu/
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| 11:22 | but I'm thinking it doesn't work for ltsp...
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| 11:22 | Any ideas?
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| 11:26 | <komunista> dgroos1: try http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/menu-spec-latest.html
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| 11:27 | <dgroos1> Thanks komunista, I'll give it a go and let you know!
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| 11:31 | <abeehc> i think all three are roughly the same but this is the one i used as i recall http://library.gnome.org/admin/system-admin-guide/2.32/menustructure-0.html.en
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| 11:33 | <dgroos1> Thanks abeehc, the one above is looking deep... If I can't make sense of it I'll move on down the line :)...
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| 11:50 | <dgroos1> hmmm... lunch over, students coming... and http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/menu-spec-latest.html didn't contain info I could apply with my knowledge level. I'll try the third link after school, it does look more user friendly...
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| 12:11 | <pmatulis> i left a pile of clients on overnight and they were all found frozen to death in the morning. comments?
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| 14:00 | <robehend1> Anyone feel up to helping me out with Samba shared home directories?
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| 14:01 | <davidj> robehend1: I might be able to help a bit, but wouldn't #samba be a better place to get help?
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| 14:02 | <robehend1> didnt know it existed ;)
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| 14:02 | I'll try there, thanks!
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| 14:02 | <davidj> np
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| 14:06 | <bla> Hi. I've got a simple question; what does ltsp use for X sessions? Freenx? rdp? I guess everything can be used, but what's your/ltsp preference?
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| 14:07 | I've read on ltsp a bit but I most probably have missed this information.
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| 14:08 | <ogra_ac> it uses ssh
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| 14:08 | <robb906> struggling myself with the WM too.... could use some explanation from a pro...
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| 14:09 | <bla> ogra_ac, so it's just an X protocol tunneled over X for single applications?
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| 14:10 | <ogra_ac> it just uses ssh -X
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| 14:10 | like you would do from a terminal app
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| 14:10 | to run an app remotely
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| 14:10 | <bla> Mhm. So it's possible to tunnel also a window manager that way? Or is window manager run locally?
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| 14:11 | <ogra_ac> it tunnels a whole session that way
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| 14:11 | <bla> Okay, I think I've got it.
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| 14:11 | <robb906> how do I setup ltsp to run a complete desktop?
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| 14:11 | cos I get a login screen and after login just a terminal
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| 14:11 | <alkisg> Do you have a desktop set up on your server?
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| 14:12 | <robb906> my guess is install a desttop environment...
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| 14:12 | I would prefer to let the server run without, but the chroot with WM
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| 14:12 | is that possible?
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| 14:13 | <alkisg> It is, with ltsp fat clients. Are your clients strong enough to handle that? CPU/RAM?
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| 14:13 | <robb906> then the WM must run locally?
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| 14:13 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 14:13 | <robb906> bummer... :)
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| 14:13 | <davidj> robb906: In a normal LTSP setup, EVERYTHING runs on the server.
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| 14:13 | <robb906> I'll install gnome then on the server
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| 14:14 | <davidj> If your clients are big enough, then you can selectively run apps on the clients.
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| 14:14 | <robb906> I know david.... but I would like to have the server as clean as possible...
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| 14:14 | <alkisg> robb906: it is possible to serve ltsp from a chroot, but it would require much fiddling with the scripts. It's much easier to just run it on the server, or even use a VM for a server.
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| 14:14 | (that would be a different chroot than the ltsp chroot)
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| 14:15 | <robb906> I have setup ltsp on ubuntu 10.04 server... but it's just that
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| 14:15 | now I have to install a WM so the clients get a graphical environment
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| 14:15 | <alkisg> Right
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| 14:15 | <davidj> robb906: An ltsp server isn't like a standard server, where you want it stripped down to the bone.
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| 14:16 | robb906: An ltsp server really ought to be set up like a desktop.
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| 14:16 | <robb906> ok then.... can you explain a bit more?
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| 14:16 | <cliebow> well you need essential services..
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| 14:16 | <robb906> how do the clients get the graph desktop after installing gnome on the server?
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| 14:16 | how does gnome get into the chroot?
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| 14:17 | <davidj> robb906: Gnome isn't in the chroot.
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| 14:17 | <robb906> or does that automagicly transfer there while installing on the server?
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| 14:17 | <davidj> robb906: The chroot should be stripped to the bone, at least at first.
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| 14:18 | The chroot is what the clients run, which is X.
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| 14:18 | <robb906> it is as it is now... chroot is stripped.. but the server too
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| 14:18 | <davidj> The window manager, gnome, open office, everything else really, runs on the server.
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| 14:19 | <robb906> I understand that... so all I have to do is install all apps I want to have on the server... including the WM...
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| 14:19 | <davidj> robb906: Yes.
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| 14:20 | <robb906> thnx... I'll go and install ubuntu desktop on the server
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| 14:51 | <robehend1> Since my other rooms were not much help, figured i'd ask here.
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| 14:51 | Weird request:
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| 14:52 | I'm wanting to be able to mount my Ubuntu home folders for my windows clients through active directory. That parts easy
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| 14:52 | problem is, I also want to be able to *make* the Ubuntu home folders through active directory..any chance of this?
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| 14:52 | <johnny> sure,but i have no idea how
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| 14:53 | probably involved pam_mkhomedir or whatever it's called
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| 14:53 | but i don't deal with active directory ever.. no win stuff here
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| 14:55 | <robehend1> Lucky guy
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| 14:56 | So you dont know of a way to basically take over an existing directory when the user logs in the first time?
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| 14:56 | <davidj> robehend1: That's a different question from what you first asked.
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| 14:56 | robehend1: You might ask in #samba.
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| 14:57 | <robehend1> Tried #samba, no responses at all, must be wrong time of day. came here, since its on a LTSP server, and I'd had good luck before here
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| 14:57 | my mistake on improper wording, I guess. I'm still wrapping my head around it
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| 14:58 | <davidj> robehend1: What are you trying to accomplish? Do you want to use the same directory for Linux and Windows home dir?
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| 14:58 | <robehend1> yes
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| 14:59 | <davidj> Well, Windows and Linux have differing views of what "home dir" means.
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| 14:59 | In Linux, it's where you keep all of your personal settings and documents.
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| 14:59 | <ogra_ac> home is where your heart is
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| 15:00 | <robehend1> davidj: Let me rephrase
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| 15:00 | <ogra_ac> ... or wherever you lay your head ;)
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| 15:00 | <robehend1> davidj: I wan to mount my linux home directory on windows, which is easily accomplished. However, I would like to make these home directories when i create the user in active directory
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| 15:00 | davidj: I can make the folders in AD fine, it's just getting Linux to then use them as a home folder that is causing my headache
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| 15:01 | <davidj> robehend1: Then I think what you're trying to do is synchronize AD and linux user IDs.
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| 15:01 | #samba is the place for help on that.
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| 15:02 | <robehend1> davidj: Ah, alright, I'll try there, thanks
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| 16:37 | <vagrantc> !screensaver
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| 16:37 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: Error: "screensaver" is not a valid command.
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| 16:38 | <vagrantc> alkisg: do you know the gconf keys to disable screen locking and force blanking?
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| 16:38 | rather than fancy-cpu-intensive screensavers
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| 16:38 | <alkisg> I think I have them somewhere, gimme 5' to finish something...
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| 16:39 | <vagrantc> aparently http://people.gnome.org/~bmsmith/gconf-docs/C/gnome-screensaver.html
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| 16:39 | /schemas/apps/gnome-screensaver/lock_enabled TRUE/FALSE ?
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| 16:41 | there's also supposedly a way to lock down those settings?
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| 16:43 | <Hyperbyte> vagrantc, sorry if this is a really stupid suggestion, but can't you just deinstall all screensavers?
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| 16:44 | <vagrantc> Hyperbyte: not without uninstalling the programs that depend on them
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| 16:44 | additionally, screen blanking does save power.
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| 16:45 | <Hyperbyte> Well, I dunno about programs depending on screensavers.
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| 16:45 | <vagrantc> gnome, for example.
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| 16:45 | <Hyperbyte> On Fedora I deinstalled the entire gnome-screensaver package and it defaulted to screen blanking and no more locking
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| 16:46 | <vagrantc> i think on debian/ubuntu it would uninstall some of the gnome related metapackages ...
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| 16:46 | <Hyperbyte> Ahh, okay. :)
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| 16:46 | <vagrantc> you could probably manually go through and install each other component, but it's a bit of a hassle.
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| 16:47 | <vagrantc> kind of funny that debian would be like that ... usually it's much more fine-grained than fedora :)
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| 16:47 | <Hyperbyte> I wouldn't know about that I'm afraid. :-)
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| 16:48 | I haven't used anything but Fedora... ever, actually. I'm missing out on lots of things no doubt.
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| 16:48 | <alkisg> Ubuntu has a patched gnome-screensaver which forces "blank" for ltsp clients
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| 16:48 | ...and people complain because they can't change them :D
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| 16:49 | <alkisg> /apps/gnome-screensaver/lock_enabled false ==> I think that's for locking from the screensaver,
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| 16:49 | <vagrantc> that's so cool.
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| 16:49 | alkisg: where do you put the configurations?
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| 16:50 | i see all these keys ... but i don't know what to do with them.
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| 16:50 | <alkisg> I use a package so in debian/package.gconf-mandatory
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| 16:50 | <vagrantc> what's the format of the file?
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| 16:51 | xml, looks like?
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| 16:51 | alkisg: would you mind pasting it somewhere?
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| 16:51 | or can i download the example package?
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| 16:51 | <alkisg> There are several ways, let me tell you about the ones that I know and you can choose
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| 16:51 | !compiz
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| 16:51 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: "compiz" :: if compiz is giving you problems, one way to disable it for all users is: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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| 16:51 | <alkisg> One is this way, with commands
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| 16:52 | <alkisg> The result goes to /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory/%gconf-tree.xml and you can even edit it by hand or some xml editor
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| 16:52 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i'd be inclined towards the packaged way
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| 16:52 | <alkisg> OK
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| 16:52 | ls /usr/share/gconf/defaults
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| 16:52 | See those files there as examples
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| 16:52 | There are 2 formats: plain text or xml
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| 16:53 | <vagrantc> ah, cool.
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| 16:53 | <alkisg> I like the plain text best, it's easier to edit
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| 16:53 | man dh_gconf for the debian/*.gconf-defaults or mandatory
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| 16:53 | <vagrantc> indeed.
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| 16:53 | aha!
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| 16:53 | i knew there was a dh_foo
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| 16:54 | just couldn't find it...
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| 16:56 | alkisg: is it just: "KEY VALUE" or do you have to specify string/bool/etc ?
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| 16:56 | <alkisg> Just key value, but for lists there's a special syntax
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| 16:57 | <vagrantc> thankfully don't need any of those yet.
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| 16:57 | alkisg: many thanks!
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| 16:57 | <alkisg> np :)
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| 16:59 | vagrantc: here is what I use for fat clients: http://ltsp.pastebin.com/vwjYagWd
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| 16:59 | (just to see some syntax examples)
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| 17:05 | <alkisg> (12:40:34 AM) vagrantc: /schemas/apps/gnome-screensaver/lock_enabled TRUE/FALSE ? ==> btw schemas are used from applications to declare the possible values of keys, you don't need schemas unless you're defining new keys for an app of yours.
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| 17:05 | <vagrantc> oh
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| 17:07 | alkisg: so just /apps/gnome-screensaver/ ... ?
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| 17:07 | <alkisg> Right
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| 17:07 | gconf-editor is also helpful there, you can navigate through all the available keys
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| 17:07 | (and you can even set mandatory settings from its GUI)
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| 17:14 | <alkisg> /desktop/gnome/lockdown/disable_lock_screen
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| 17:14 | /desktop/gnome/lockdown/disable_user_switching
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| 17:15 | <vagrantc> what's the difference with disable_lock_screen vs. local_enabled FALSE ?
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| 17:16 | <alkisg> /apps/gnome-screensaver/lock_enabled false ==> tells the screensaver not to lock the screen, but the user may still manually lock it
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| 17:18 | /apps/gnome-screensaver/mode "blank-only"
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| 17:25 | /apps/indicator-session/suppress_restart_menuitem
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| 17:25 | /apps/indicator-session/suppress_shutdown_menuitem
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| 17:25 | (not sure if debian uses indicator-session)
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| 17:29 | <vagrantc> do you need the quotes in "blank-only" ?
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| 17:29 | <alkisg> No but I use them for consistency
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| 17:33 | <alkisg> /apps/panel/global/disabled_applets (e.g. to disable the network manager applet)
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| 17:53 | <pmatulis> i managed to upgrade my karmic rig to lucid where remoteapps are supposed to work (i can now bring up an app manually) but when i edit preferences of FF (localapp) it says '/usr/bin/ltsp-remoteapps evince' does not exist
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| 22:11 | <d0c5i5> i have an odd problem, i am using rdp server on top of ubuntu (along with LTSP), when I connect I can do almost anything except hit the "d" key... if I hit "d", all of the windows to minimize
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