IRC chat logs for #ltsp on (webchat)

Channel log from 28 October 2012   (all times are UTC)

01:14Phantomas has left IRC (Phantomas!~Phantomas@ubuntu/member/phantomas, Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
01:29Phantomas has joined IRC (Phantomas!~Phantomas@ubuntu/member/phantomas)
01:41vagrantc has left IRC (vagrantc!~vagrant@freegeek/vagrantc, Quit: leaving)
01:44alkisg has joined IRC (alkisg!~alkisg@ubuntu/member/alkisg)
02:15alkisg1 has joined IRC (alkisg1!~alkisg@ubuntu/member/alkisg)
02:18alkisg has left IRC (alkisg!~alkisg@ubuntu/member/alkisg, Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
02:19Phantomas has left IRC (Phantomas!~Phantomas@ubuntu/member/phantomas)
02:19alkisg1 is now known as alkisg
02:19Phantomas has joined IRC (Phantomas!~Phantomas@ubuntu/member/phantomas)
02:30Parker955_Away is now known as Parker955
02:41andygraybeal_ has left IRC (andygraybeal_!, Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
03:10Phantomas has left IRC (Phantomas!~Phantomas@ubuntu/member/phantomas, Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
03:56alkisg has left IRC (alkisg!~alkisg@ubuntu/member/alkisg, Quit: Leaving.)
04:03Parker955 is now known as Parker955_Away
04:23Parker955_Away is now known as Parker955
04:52Parker955 is now known as Parker955_Away
05:31komunista has joined IRC (komunista!
05:35Parker955_Away is now known as Parker955
06:01ry has left IRC (ry!, Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
06:02primeministerp has left IRC (primeministerp!, *.net *.split)
06:02||cw has left IRC (||cw!~chris@phpgroupware/cw, *.net *.split)
06:02Parker955 has left IRC (Parker955!~parker@, *.net *.split)
06:02TatankaT has left IRC (TatankaT!, *.net *.split)
06:02Hyperbyte has left IRC (Hyperbyte!, *.net *.split)
06:12alkisg has joined IRC (alkisg!~alkisg@ubuntu/member/alkisg)
06:23bobby_C has joined IRC (bobby_C!
06:43JesseC has left IRC (JesseC!, *.net *.split)
06:43zamba has left IRC (zamba!, *.net *.split)
06:43Takyoji[laptop] has left IRC (Takyoji[laptop]!~Takyoji@2602:100:18c5:be56:d02b:73ab:a3f1:ce45, *.net *.split)
06:43mikec has left IRC (mikec!, *.net *.split)
06:43spectra has left IRC (spectra!~spectra@debian/developer/spectra, *.net *.split)
06:43vector has left IRC (vector!, *.net *.split)
06:43monteslu has left IRC (monteslu!, *.net *.split)
06:43elias_a has left IRC (elias_a!, *.net *.split)
06:43staffencasa has left IRC (staffencasa!, *.net *.split)
06:43Mava has left IRC (Mava!, *.net *.split)
06:43sutula has left IRC (sutula!sutula@nat/hp/x-tpdxypnrsjpqsgpp, *.net *.split)
06:43dberkholz has left IRC (dberkholz!~dberkholz@gentoo/developer/dberkholz, *.net *.split)
06:43yanu has left IRC (yanu!~yanu@lugwv/member/yanu, *.net *.split)
06:43gothaggis|work has left IRC (gothaggis|work!, *.net *.split)
06:43mmetzger has left IRC (mmetzger!, *.net *.split)
06:43vmlintu has left IRC (vmlintu!, *.net *.split)
06:43kefff has left IRC (kefff!~keffer@unaffiliated/kefff, *.net *.split)
06:43muppis has left IRC (muppis!, *.net *.split)
06:45mikec has joined IRC (mikec!
06:46vector has joined IRC (vector!
06:46spectra has joined IRC (spectra!
06:48Takyoji[laptop] has joined IRC (Takyoji[laptop]!~Takyoji@2602:100:18c5:be56:d02b:73ab:a3f1:ce45)
06:48zamba has joined IRC (zamba!
06:48JesseC has joined IRC (JesseC!
06:48kefff has joined IRC (kefff!~keffer@unaffiliated/kefff)
06:48staffencasa has joined IRC (staffencasa!
06:48Mava has joined IRC (Mava!
06:48yanu has joined IRC (yanu!~yanu@lugwv/member/yanu)
06:48gothaggis|work has joined IRC (gothaggis|work!
06:48monteslu has joined IRC (monteslu!
06:48sutula has joined IRC (sutula!sutula@nat/hp/x-tpdxypnrsjpqsgpp)
06:48mmetzger has joined IRC (mmetzger!
06:48vmlintu has joined IRC (vmlintu!
06:48elias_a has joined IRC (elias_a!
06:48dberkholz has joined IRC (dberkholz!~dberkholz@gentoo/developer/dberkholz)
06:48muppis has joined IRC (muppis!
06:59spectra has left IRC (spectra!, Changing host)
06:59spectra has joined IRC (spectra!~spectra@debian/developer/spectra)
07:16bobby_C has left IRC (bobby_C!, Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
07:17ricotz has joined IRC (ricotz!~rico@ubuntu/member/ricotz)
07:31komunista has left IRC (komunista!, Quit: Leaving.)
07:43JesseC has left IRC (JesseC!, *.net *.split)
07:43zamba has left IRC (zamba!, *.net *.split)
07:43Takyoji[laptop] has left IRC (Takyoji[laptop]!~Takyoji@2602:100:18c5:be56:d02b:73ab:a3f1:ce45, *.net *.split)
07:43monteslu has left IRC (monteslu!, *.net *.split)
07:43elias_a has left IRC (elias_a!, *.net *.split)
07:43staffencasa has left IRC (staffencasa!, *.net *.split)
07:43Mava has left IRC (Mava!, *.net *.split)
07:43sutula has left IRC (sutula!sutula@nat/hp/x-tpdxypnrsjpqsgpp, *.net *.split)
07:43dberkholz has left IRC (dberkholz!~dberkholz@gentoo/developer/dberkholz, *.net *.split)
07:43ricotz has left IRC (ricotz!~rico@ubuntu/member/ricotz, *.net *.split)
07:43yanu has left IRC (yanu!~yanu@lugwv/member/yanu, *.net *.split)
07:43gothaggis|work has left IRC (gothaggis|work!, *.net *.split)
07:43mmetzger has left IRC (mmetzger!, *.net *.split)
07:43vmlintu has left IRC (vmlintu!, *.net *.split)
07:43kefff has left IRC (kefff!~keffer@unaffiliated/kefff, *.net *.split)
07:43muppis has left IRC (muppis!, *.net *.split)
08:09adrianorg__ has joined IRC (adrianorg__!~adrianorg@
08:13adrianorg_ has left IRC (adrianorg_!~adrianorg@, Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
08:29Takyoji[laptop] has joined IRC (Takyoji[laptop]!~Takyoji@2602:100:18c5:be56:d02b:73ab:a3f1:ce45)
08:29ricotz has joined IRC (ricotz!~rico@ubuntu/member/ricotz)
08:29zamba has joined IRC (zamba!
08:29JesseC has joined IRC (JesseC!
08:29kefff has joined IRC (kefff!~keffer@unaffiliated/kefff)
08:29staffencasa has joined IRC (staffencasa!
08:29Mava has joined IRC (Mava!
08:29yanu has joined IRC (yanu!~yanu@lugwv/member/yanu)
08:29gothaggis|work has joined IRC (gothaggis|work!
08:29sutula has joined IRC (sutula!sutula@nat/hp/x-tpdxypnrsjpqsgpp)
08:29mmetzger has joined IRC (mmetzger!
08:29vmlintu has joined IRC (vmlintu!
08:29dberkholz has joined IRC (dberkholz!~dberkholz@gentoo/developer/dberkholz)
08:29muppis has joined IRC (muppis!
08:31monteslu has joined IRC (monteslu!
08:31elias_a has joined IRC (elias_a!
Wow... Ubuntu won't boot with 64 MB RAM, but Debian will boot with 48... damn plymouth bloating the initramfs!
08:43adrianorg__ has left IRC (adrianorg__!~adrianorg@, Read error: Connection reset by peer)
alkisg, kill it. ;)
09:14adrianorg__ has joined IRC (adrianorg__!~adrianorg@
09:14ry has joined IRC (ry!
09:14primeministerp has joined IRC (primeministerp!
09:14Parker955_Away has joined IRC (Parker955_Away!~parker@
09:14||cw has joined IRC (||cw!~chris@phpgroupware/cw)
09:14TatankaT has joined IRC (TatankaT!
09:14Hyperbyte has joined IRC (Hyperbyte!
09:16monteslu has left IRC (monteslu!, Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
09:34elias_a has left IRC (elias_a!, *.net *.split)
09:35Takyoji[laptop] has left IRC (Takyoji[laptop]!~Takyoji@2602:100:18c5:be56:d02b:73ab:a3f1:ce45, *.net *.split)
09:35JesseC has left IRC (JesseC!, *.net *.split)
09:35zamba has left IRC (zamba!, *.net *.split)
09:35adrianorg__ has left IRC (adrianorg__!~adrianorg@, *.net *.split)
09:35TatankaT has left IRC (TatankaT!, *.net *.split)
09:35Hyperbyte has left IRC (Hyperbyte!, *.net *.split)
09:35ry has left IRC (ry!, *.net *.split)
09:35primeministerp has left IRC (primeministerp!, *.net *.split)
09:35||cw has left IRC (||cw!~chris@phpgroupware/cw, *.net *.split)
09:35Parker955_Away has left IRC (Parker955_Away!~parker@, *.net *.split)
09:35staffencasa has left IRC (staffencasa!, *.net *.split)
09:35Mava has left IRC (Mava!, *.net *.split)
09:35sutula has left IRC (sutula!sutula@nat/hp/x-tpdxypnrsjpqsgpp, *.net *.split)
09:35dberkholz has left IRC (dberkholz!~dberkholz@gentoo/developer/dberkholz, *.net *.split)
09:35yanu has left IRC (yanu!~yanu@lugwv/member/yanu, *.net *.split)
09:35gothaggis|work has left IRC (gothaggis|work!, *.net *.split)
09:35mmetzger has left IRC (mmetzger!, *.net *.split)
09:35vmlintu has left IRC (vmlintu!, *.net *.split)
09:35ricotz has left IRC (ricotz!~rico@ubuntu/member/ricotz, *.net *.split)
09:35kefff has left IRC (kefff!~keffer@unaffiliated/kefff, *.net *.split)
09:35muppis has left IRC (muppis!, *.net *.split)
09:38Hyperbyte has joined IRC (Hyperbyte!
09:38TatankaT has joined IRC (TatankaT!
09:38||cw has joined IRC (||cw!~chris@phpgroupware/cw)
09:38Parker955_Away has joined IRC (Parker955_Away!~parker@
09:38primeministerp has joined IRC (primeministerp!
09:38ry has joined IRC (ry!
09:38adrianorg__ has joined IRC (adrianorg__!~adrianorg@
09:38elias_a has joined IRC (elias_a!
09:38Takyoji[laptop] has joined IRC (Takyoji[laptop]!~Takyoji@2602:100:18c5:be56:d02b:73ab:a3f1:ce45)
09:38ricotz has joined IRC (ricotz!~rico@ubuntu/member/ricotz)
09:38zamba has joined IRC (zamba!
09:38JesseC has joined IRC (JesseC!
09:38kefff has joined IRC (kefff!~keffer@unaffiliated/kefff)
09:38staffencasa has joined IRC (staffencasa!
09:38Mava has joined IRC (Mava!
09:38yanu has joined IRC (yanu!~yanu@lugwv/member/yanu)
09:38gothaggis|work has joined IRC (gothaggis|work!
09:38muppis has joined IRC (muppis!
09:38dberkholz has joined IRC (dberkholz!~dberkholz@gentoo/developer/dberkholz)
09:38vmlintu has joined IRC (vmlintu!
09:38mmetzger has joined IRC (mmetzger!
09:38sutula has joined IRC (sutula!sutula@nat/hp/x-tpdxypnrsjpqsgpp)
09:44Takyoji[laptop] has left IRC (Takyoji[laptop]!~Takyoji@2602:100:18c5:be56:d02b:73ab:a3f1:ce45, *.net *.split)
09:45elias_a has left IRC (elias_a!, *.net *.split)
09:46sutula has left IRC (sutula!sutula@nat/hp/x-tpdxypnrsjpqsgpp, Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
09:46sutula has joined IRC (sutula!sutula@nat/hp/x-rsfpurukboirqeoj)
09:54Takyoji[laptop] has joined IRC (Takyoji[laptop]!~Takyoji@2602:100:18c5:be56:d02b:73ab:a3f1:ce45)
09:55monteslu has joined IRC (monteslu!
09:56elias_a has joined IRC (elias_a!
10:17bobby_C has joined IRC (bobby_C!
10:20Phantomas has joined IRC (Phantomas!~Phantomas@ubuntu/member/phantomas)
10:27dgeary2 has joined IRC (dgeary2!~david@
10:42gvy has joined IRC (gvy!~mike@altlinux/developer/mike)
10:48kefff has left IRC (kefff!~keffer@unaffiliated/kefff, Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
10:51kefff has joined IRC (kefff!
10:51kefff has joined IRC (kefff!~keffer@unaffiliated/kefff)
11:10bobby_C has left IRC (bobby_C!, Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
11:23dgeary2 has left IRC (dgeary2!~david@, Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
11:37dgeary2 has joined IRC (dgeary2!~david@
11:51Phantomas has left IRC (Phantomas!~Phantomas@ubuntu/member/phantomas, Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
11:57dgeary2 has left IRC (dgeary2!~david@, Read error: Connection reset by peer)
12:07Phantomas has joined IRC (Phantomas!~Phantomas@ubuntu/member/phantomas)
12:08dgeary2 has joined IRC (dgeary2!~david@
12:15alkisg has left IRC (alkisg!~alkisg@ubuntu/member/alkisg, Quit: Leaving.)
12:35alkisg has joined IRC (alkisg!~alkisg@ubuntu/member/alkisg)
12:35andygraybeal_ has joined IRC (andygraybeal_!
12:38kefff has left IRC (kefff!~keffer@unaffiliated/kefff, Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
12:47komunista has joined IRC (komunista!
13:14komunista has left IRC (komunista!, Read error: Operation timed out)
13:14komunista has joined IRC (komunista!
13:48komunista has left IRC (komunista!, Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
14:07PhoenixSTF has joined IRC (PhoenixSTF!~rudi@
14:07bobby_C has joined IRC (bobby_C!
14:24bobby_C has left IRC (bobby_C!, Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
14:25alexqwesa__ has joined IRC (alexqwesa__!~alex@
14:26alexqwesa_ has left IRC (alexqwesa_!~alex@, Remote host closed the connection)
14:26alkisg has joined IRC (alkisg!~alkisg@ubuntu/member/alkisg)
15:16markit has joined IRC (markit!
15:33F-GT has left IRC (F-GT!, Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
15:38Phantomas has left IRC (Phantomas!~Phantomas@ubuntu/member/phantomas, Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
15:41Phantomas has joined IRC (Phantomas!~Phantomas@ubuntu/member/phantomas)
15:44dgeary2 has left IRC (dgeary2!~david@, Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
15:59dgeary2 has joined IRC (dgeary2!~david@
16:00alkisg1 has joined IRC (alkisg1!~alkisg@ubuntu/member/alkisg)
16:01alkisg has left IRC (alkisg!~alkisg@ubuntu/member/alkisg, Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
16:25monteslu_ has joined IRC (monteslu_!
16:27komunista has joined IRC (komunista!
16:29monteslu has left IRC (monteslu!, Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
16:55vagrantc has joined IRC (vagrantc!
16:55vagrantc has joined IRC (vagrantc!~vagrant@freegeek/vagrantc)
17:02alkisg has joined IRC (alkisg!~alkisg@ubuntu/member/alkisg)
17:04alkisg1 has left IRC (alkisg1!~alkisg@ubuntu/member/alkisg, Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
17:20alkisg1 has joined IRC (alkisg1!~alkisg@ubuntu/member/alkisg)
17:21alkisg has left IRC (alkisg!~alkisg@ubuntu/member/alkisg, Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
17:29alkisg1 is now known as alkisg
18:14komunista has left IRC (komunista!, Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
18:18risca has joined IRC (risca!
18:20|Paradox| has joined IRC (|Paradox|!
i really like the stackexchange idea, but it seems to require javascript to be useful ... :(
18:25* alkisg read recently that the developers of one of the common linux browsers decided that they won't have an UI option to disable javascript anymore, but can't remember which one was it... epiphany?
vagrantc: in debian, the LDM "user name:" box is too small for the greek translation, while in ubuntu it fits nicely...
18:26* alkisg checks where the diff is...
Ah, and btw: (10:43:00 πμ) alkisg: Wow... Ubuntu won't boot with 64 MB RAM, but Debian will boot with 48... damn plymouth bloating the initramfs!
18:30* gvy . o O ( 16! )
gvy: do you have a chroot handy somewhere that I could clone and test?
Or, some other easy way to get it, e.g. some live dvd with a premade chroot..
18:35dgeary2 has left IRC (dgeary2!~david@, Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
alkisg, not handy but I can prepare one, lemme see...
gvy: cool, if it can really boot with 16mb ram and uses some recent ltsp version, I'd love to ship it in greek schools that only have thin clients and no fats at all...
18:50dgeary2 has joined IRC (dgeary2!~david@
a relatively easy way is
18:50vector has left IRC (vector!, Remote host closed the connection)
alkisg, it's partially ltsp4, partially ltsp5 as I've described in ML back in 2007 or 2008
Ah... I'm wondering if it'll work with an Ubuntu 12.04 LTSP server then
you might remember some not-even-mild ubuntu-related trolling and the proposition for the switches between thin client rootfs transport (e.g. NBD/NFS) and application transport (e.g. ssh/X11)
Nah, I might have not been subscribed to the ML back then even
not sure, seems that at least XKB was ill-tweaked since
I was just starting to play with linux and ltsp at that time
at least I did have kbd layout troubles while trying to use 4.0 chroot against 5.1 server
18:53vector has joined IRC (vector!
Are you using xvesa?
Or xorg?
alkisg, if you're feeling brave you can try and borrow a kernel from there but it was 2.6.22 thus definitely lacking KMS
another part was ramzswap
but generally it wasn't actively used
(and not used @16M at all)
Ubuntu also used compcache/ramzswap, but I didn't like the fact that it ate 25% of the available RAM, I preferred NBD_SWAP instead
you're better off ramzswapping with NBD as a backing device
so the traffic is compressed
(that's how that was autosetup in the image linked to above)
No no, my tests showed that ram compression is very bad for ltsp when nbd swapping is available
Anyways... so, there's no recent ltsp version that boots with 16 MB RAM, right?
(and/or kernel...)
18:57* vagrantc wonders if ramzswap changed configuration name in recent versions
it did at least once, so not sure by now :)
was compcache back then
ramzswap/zramswap laters
alkisg, rather no afaik
LTSP 4 used to work with 16 mb ram, but I'm afraid about the maintenance overhead of deploying such a solution
vagrantc: do you have a diff in debian for greeter.c?
alkisg: no
Hmmm... the Userprompt is shorter there... :-/
probably a diff in a depending library?
19:03Parker955_Away is now known as Parker955
far as i can tell, ramzswap was removed from recent linux versions
(or never made it out of staging)
ah, it's called zram now
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 17K Ιούλ 23 08:58 /opt/ltsp/wheezy/lib/modules/3.2.0-3-486/kernel/drivers/staging/zram/zram.ko
Ah, the problem might be the smaller logo
Indeed, I tried the Ubuntu logo and the username label was wider now
/opt/ltsp/thin/usr/share/ldm/themes/ubuntu/logo.png: PNG image data, 400 x 122, 8-bit/color RGBA, non-interlaced
/opt/ltsp/wheezy/usr/share/ldm/themes/joy/logo.png: PNG image data, 80 x 115, 8-bit/color RGBA, non-interlaced
highvoltage: ^^
highvoltage: at least we could add some transparent border in joy/logo.png so that it's wider but displays the same
probably triggering
alkisg: does it cause the problem with the "ltsp" theme?
Let me check... LDM_THEME=ltsp ?
alkisg: and if so, could you report on the above mentioned bug
maybe try to reproduce it in german?
vagrantc: sure, and I can also add a fixed logo.png if you want
Err german would be a bit difficult, I'd have to backup my chroot etc as I don't have it in a VM that would support snapshots
that's fine, if you're fairly sure it's the same problem for greek
i can try and test it on the original case.
We should also ask Phantomas to try to fix the 16bpp background dithering issue :D
With the LTSP theme, "Όνομα χρήστη" displays completely, but "Κωδικός πρόσβασης" (Password) is cut at the last character
Maybe, I can take a look :)
19:18* alkisg tries resizing the joy logo.png to 400x115....
vagrantc: this one fixes the problem:
I think that you can just commit that one and close the bug
Phantomas: source code:
2 things:
1) If the debian logo is small, the "Όνομα χρήστη" label gets cut and displays "Όνομα χρήσ"
Maybe some wrong gtk hbox options there
2) As you can see, the dithering is awful in 16 bpp, it should display way better than that
yes, it is obviously a wrong packaging of the widgets there
It seems like they put the logo and the label in a VBox and this VBox inside a HBox along with the entry
when it should be: A VBox containing the logo and a HBox (which would contain the label and the entry)
The logo there now is actually 400 pixels wide, but it's transparent and it doesn't show it
or just set the Fill option to True...
Right that might be it
but, let me check the source code :P
patches, especially if non-intrusive, would be wonderful.
line 824: gtk_box_pack_start(GTK_BOX(EntryBox), UserPrompt, FALSE, FALSE, 0);
I think gtk_box_pack_start(GTK_BOX(EntryBox), UserPrompt, TRUE, FALSE, 0); would fix it
alkisg: can you try it?
Phantomas: sure, in 15' ...
i gotta run soonish, but if either of you could follow up on the bug mentioned above, that would be great.
19:38vagrantc has left IRC (vagrantc!~vagrant@freegeek/vagrantc, Quit: leaving)
bye bye!
alkisg: but keep in mind that a really big string in the label would make the entry disappear
19:50ry has left IRC (ry!, Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
19:58Takyoji[laptop] has left IRC (Takyoji[laptop]!~Takyoji@2602:100:18c5:be56:d02b:73ab:a3f1:ce45, Remote host closed the connection)
20:03ry has joined IRC (ry!
hi alkisg :) hi Phantomas (have to go, maybe see you later)
20:07markit has left IRC (markit!, )
btw line 135 is duplicate of 132
alkisg: ↑
ok, I'll try to have a look tomorrow
20:38alkisg has left IRC (alkisg!~alkisg@ubuntu/member/alkisg, Quit: Leaving.)
20:54PhoenixSTF has left IRC (PhoenixSTF!~rudi@, Quit: Leaving)
21:00vmlintu has left IRC (vmlintu!, Read error: No route to host)
21:04ricotz has left IRC (ricotz!~rico@ubuntu/member/ricotz, Quit: Ex-Chat)
21:18gvy has left IRC (gvy!~mike@altlinux/developer/mike, Quit: Leaving)
21:21F-GT has joined IRC (F-GT!
21:31F-GT has left IRC (F-GT!, Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
22:04bobby_C has joined IRC (bobby_C!
22:16risca has left IRC (risca!, Quit: Lämnar)
22:52bobby_C has left IRC (bobby_C!, Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
23:12adrianorg_ has joined IRC (adrianorg_!~adrianorg@
23:16adrianorg__ has left IRC (adrianorg__!~adrianorg@, Ping timeout: 276 seconds)