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Channel log from 22 February 2011 (all times are UTC)
| 00:07 | <muppis> Any experience from eBeam Interact ? Should it be installed to chroot to work perfecyl
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| 00:08 | perfectly..
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| 03:16 | <alkisg> !xauthority
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| 03:16 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "xauthority" :: to access the client X session from a local root shell, try: eval $(tr '\0' '\n' < /proc/$(pidof -s ldm gdm-simple-greeter gnome-session | cut -d' ' -f1)/environ | egrep '^DISPLAY=|^XAUTHORITY=') && export DISPLAY XAUTHORITY
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| 03:22 | <markit> hi alkisg :) Bad luck at my school, APC ups is not working anymore (has been turned on / off max 50 times since installation), lol
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| 03:22 | we have received some money, I'm thinking about replacing the recycled PC with new ones like these: http://www.yashiweb.com/it/specifiche_tecniche/9822/
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| 03:23 | anyone knows if Intel GMA X4500 is good in compatibility and decent performances?
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| 04:01 | <HrdwrBoB> markit: it's perfectly cromulen
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| 04:01 | cromulent
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| 04:02 | for normal desktop purposes
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| 04:13 | <markit> HrdwrBoB: so libreoffice, gimp, maybe a little of blender (just in case)
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| 04:13 | work decently? We have HD screens (1920x1080 res)
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| 04:14 | <HrdwrBoB> blender .. mmm
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| 04:14 | everything else great
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| 04:25 | <markit> they could become "fat clients" to increased performance too
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| 04:26 | only porblem I've never deploied the "fat" version of ltsp, I forecast new problems in exchange of the old ones, lol
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| 04:30 | <alkisg> Teachers here didn't report any fat client specific problems
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| 04:35 | <markit> alkisg: hi my master/teacher/preferred_guru, how are you?
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| 04:35 | <alkisg> Heh, hello
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| 05:18 | <HrdwrBoB> heh
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| 05:18 | I am very familiar with exchanging problems
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| 05:18 | we use HP thin clients
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| 05:18 | HP seem to release a new one every 12 months
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| 05:18 | for no real good reason
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| 05:21 | <mnemoc> marketing :)
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| 05:26 | <markit> mm just got a call from a professor... one PC frozen while saving work, another had OpenOffice not starting and was not possible logoff either, and all PC seems incredible slow
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| 05:26 | my guess is they are using a very large image / images (pictures) in Impress
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| 05:26 | but the fact that so often pc freezes is really bad
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| 05:26 | often = one every lesson, or something less
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| 05:29 | <alkisg> Do you still have that 512 MB network swap?
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| 05:29 | Did you verify that it's working?
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| 05:40 | <mnemoc> are there distributors of lucidatech machines? I can't get a response from them :(
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| 06:44 | <markit> alkisg: I've 512MB swap, and not verified (I tested the setup on my home, but not at school, just applied the same settings that worked at home)
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| 06:45 | <alkisg> I wasn't able to make clients hang (with big pictures in impress and firefox etc) when I had enough swap
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| 06:45 | <markit> also impress and libo 3.3 is not very fast itself, and the server has only 8GB for 16 clients
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| 06:45 | <alkisg> RAM on the clients? 256?
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| 06:45 | <markit> alkisg: what about increase swap to 1GB? wondering if will put my lan on it's knees
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| 06:45 | <alkisg> No 512 is enough, if it's actually working
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| 06:45 | <markit> alkisg: from 256 to 512, depends, don't know that particular one
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| 06:47 | <alkisg> My experience with hangs is something like this: 70% = swap, 20% = graphics card, 5% = network problems, 5% = no idea
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| 06:52 | <muppis> Any hint for this? Failed to save user : Failed to add user to LDAP database : cn: value #0 Invalid per syntax.
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| 06:52 | <markit> mine at the moment are 100% no idea :)
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| 06:53 | alkisg: we are going to buy some new PC that will act as fat client, do you strongly suggest have a HD also for local swap?
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| 06:53 | <alkisg> No, imho network swap works just fine
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| 06:53 | <markit> I try to have 4GB ram
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| 06:53 | <alkisg> I couldn't get it to crash
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| 06:53 | <markit> ok
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| 06:54 | <alkisg> Tested with e.g. 128 RAM on the client and forced it to use 400 MB swap. It crawled but it didn't hang.
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| 06:54 | When I closed firefox and impress and gimp etc everything was fine again
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| 06:54 | (fast)
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| 06:54 | <markit> unfortunatly I've not there, and the teacher called me too late to ssh in and do a fast check
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| 06:55 | I have to tell them a couple of "mainteniance" things also, like kill zombie processes
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| 06:55 | and students are saving documents in the "share" area instead of their own home, don't know why
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| 06:56 | or they create a directory inside Documents with their name
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| 06:56 | even if I've explained them that each student has his OWN home, indipendent
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| 06:56 | from others
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| 06:56 | we need some hours of basic computer trainning, OMHO
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| 06:57 | I have the issue of acl and shared area unresolved still... things seems to be overcompliceted sometime wiht GNU/Linux
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| 06:58 | <markit> things that should be basic in a multiuser environment
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| 06:58 | ok, back to my work now :)
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| 07:00 | <alkisg> markit: To check if the swap thing is working, run `free` from a localxterm
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| 07:00 | !localxterm
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| 07:00 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "localxterm" :: while sitting on a thin client, open a gnome terminal. In that, run: ltsp-localapps xterm. An xterm will open. That xterm runs locally, so any commands you enter there are executed directly on the client.
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| 07:02 | <markit> alkisg: any suggestion for logging useful info?
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| 07:03 | <alkisg> Logging what?
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| 07:17 | <markit> anything that could be useful.. like messages
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| 07:17 | or syslog
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| 07:21 | <alkisg> The clients support remote logging, if you're interested in that
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| 07:22 | SYSLOG_HOST
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| 07:23 | And LDM_SYSLOG
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| 07:24 | <markit> ok, thanks a lot
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| 07:24 | I will activate and hope to find something useful
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| 07:24 | <alkisg> There's also ~/.xsession-errors for each user
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| 07:25 | <markit> oh, yes, really !
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| 07:29 | <mgariepy> good morning everyone
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| 07:44 | <mr_engblom> is anyone knowing how to fix usb mount problem in ubuntu maverick? when i insert a stick into the client, it only appears on the server in /tmp/.username-ltsp
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| 07:45 | it should bind to /media/username
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| 07:45 | this is an ubuntuserver upgraded from karmic to lucid... and straight after to maverick
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| 07:46 | <markit> mr_engblom: I've kubuntu 10.10 at school, and it mounts on /media/usrname
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| 07:49 | <mr_engblom> markit: then i wonder what really failed in the upgrade
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| 07:50 | <markit> maybe is gnome related, I use KDE
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| 07:51 | (that does not support notification with ltsp, unfortunatly...)
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| 07:51 | mr_engblom: do you use ACL by chance? (not related with your problem, is my problem :))
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| 07:51 | <mr_engblom> i am using kde3 (trinity)...
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| 07:51 | yes, i use acl
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| 07:53 | <markit> I've not the details here, but I want to have 2 directories in /srv
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| 07:53 | one where students and teachers can read/write
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| 07:54 | and another where teachers can r/w, but students only read
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| 07:54 | with my setup if a teacher CREATES a file in the r/w everything is fine
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| 07:55 | if instead COPIES from his home to there, the file permissions are "reduced" and only himself can r/w, other only read, if I remember correctly
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| 07:55 | do you have the same need and was able to solve in a brilliant way? :)
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| 07:55 | <mr_engblom> first set "chmod g+s folder"
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| 07:56 | <markit> g+s? isn't set acl "default" enough?
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| 07:56 | <mr_engblom> i do not know, that i did first...
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| 07:57 | <markit> :) ok, go on
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| 07:57 | I need a working solution, will investigate "why it works" later, lol
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| 07:59 | <mr_engblom> markit: this is how i have been setting up a directory that both teachers and pupils can read and write to: http://pastebin.com/zqmDqbYH
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| 08:02 | it is just to change the rwx values according to your need
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| 08:02 | r-- will give only read rights
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| 08:03 | <mr_engblom> r-x will give read and execute (needed for entering subdirectories)
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| 08:05 | setfacl -m group:teachers:rwx folder - that will give full rights to the teachers
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| 08:10 | <mr_engblom> my ltspfs problem is really annoying!!
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| 08:21 | markit: please, pastebin your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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| 08:22 | markit: apparently some changes should be done there when you go to a newer version of ubuntu
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| 08:24 | or can anyone else with ubuntu 10.10 pastebin their /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf?
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| 09:05 | <mahdi_ja> hi all
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| 09:05 | i install ltsp in fedora(k12linux)
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| 09:05 | and i boot client to this .
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| 09:06 | i see login screen but i do not know what user and password i must use for login
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| 09:27 | <mahdi_ja> for login to ltsp host i must use host user ?
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| 09:56 | <fuser> hello, is anybody using ltsp-cluster with multiples linux apps servers? i would like to know how keep syncronized the /home 's, i mean i don't understood how the loadbalancer works
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| 09:57 | is it just redirect the conections?
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| 09:58 | do i need to use a cluster filesystem below? like glusterfs for example
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| 10:00 | <fuser> or there is a ltsp-cluster solution to this issue
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| 10:27 | <[GuS]> Guys, i was having a problema bout Read-only filesystem in a newest LTSP installation in Gentoo, to make it work i ad to modify ro to rw in /etc/exports /opt/ltsp *(rw,no_root_squash,async,no_subtree_check). Is this ok?
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| 10:49 | <alkisg> [GuS]: don't use rw nfs root, because then any client can write anything to your exported NFS disk and that's a major security issue
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| 10:50 | <[GuS]> alkisg: if i dont, when the client boots it says read-only filesystem full of errors...
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| 10:50 | <alkisg> OK, but that means the problem is elsewhere
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| 10:50 | Mounting nfs rw is not a proper solution
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| 10:51 | <[GuS]> I know... but i dont know what else to do... i been one week with this now :S
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| 10:51 | <alkisg> Check your initramfs, something is wrong with the COW setup
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| 10:51 | Why don't you use some distro where it's more out of the box?
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| 10:51 | <[GuS]> alkisg: believe me i whish so... but in my work we use Gentoo :S
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| 10:51 | and everytime i've install ltsp5 in gentoo i have a new error...
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| 10:52 | :(
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| 10:52 | <alkisg> E.g. you can have an ubuntu (or whatever) chroot on a gentoo server
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| 10:52 | <alkisg> Right, "gentoo is getting really close" ==> errors still happen...
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| 10:52 | <[GuS]> yeah....
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| 10:53 | <[GuS]> i've tried for me once ltsp in debian and ubuntu, 0 problems... but in gentoo... now with this read only filesystem i dont know what more to look at...
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| 10:53 | <alkisg> What system does Gentoo use for the initramfs? Dracut?
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| 10:54 | <[GuS]> Yep, iirc
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| 10:55 | <alkisg> http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Initramfs
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| 10:56 | <[GuS]> i've already tested if the problem was cause a old quickstart profile. That didnt solved, reinstalled ltsp-server, reinstalled quickstart and re-built again ltsp client... no look at all... and is a fresh Gentoo installation... i've installed before ltsp5 in gentoo many times, fixed errors but works... now does not
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| 10:56 | <alkisg> If that's the default, then it's not dracut...
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| 10:56 | <[GuS]> well, i am not sure then...
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| 10:57 | <alkisg> Anyway it's there you should be looking
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| 10:57 | To check why the ltsp code in the initramfs/dracut/whatever doesn't succeed in establishing your cow disk
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| 10:58 | <[GuS]> ok
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| 12:47 | <cliebow> Gadi!!I find that by manually adding sambaSamAccount and sambaSID to a machine account I am able to join a domain..Why does this not happen automagically?
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| 13:18 | <mahdi_ja> hi all
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| 13:19 | in client side when i want log in
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| 13:19 | after enter user name and password i get this message
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| 13:19 | no response from server restarting
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| 13:22 | please help me
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| 13:24 | <alkisg> distro/version ?
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| 13:25 | <mahdi_ja> alkisg, fedora 14
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| 13:25 | <alkisg> Can you login with that username/password on the server?
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| 13:26 | <mahdi_ja> alkisg, no i can
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| 13:27 | for example i create another user on the server same my own user but i can login with this user
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| 13:27 | <mahdi_ja> alkisg, i must create special user for ltsp or i can user ordinary user in the ltsp host
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| 13:27 | <alkisg> Any ordinary user on the server will do
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| 13:29 | <wakko222> is ltsp still broken in F14
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| 13:30 | <mahdi_ja> two days a go i get support for ltsp in fedora 14
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| 13:30 | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=652896
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| 13:31 | i do all things very easy but at the last i get this message and i can not login to the ltsp server
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| 13:32 | no response from server restarting
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| 13:32 | <wakko222> I've just learned about LTSP in the last couple of weeks, but want to try it. Is there a good getting started page?
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| 13:33 | <alkisg> mahdi_ja: you can also see the logs for authentication problems: tail /var/log/auth.log
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| 13:34 | <mahdi_ja> alkisg, yes i do this
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| 13:34 | alkisg, thank 's for your attention
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| 13:34 | <alkisg> Do you see login attempts there?
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| 13:34 | <wakko222> Is this still accurate? - https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/InstallGuide
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| 13:34 | <mahdi_ja> alkisg, yes
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| 13:34 | <alkisg> And any error messages?
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| 13:34 | <mgariepy> wakko222, edubuntu ship with a live ltsp dvd
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| 13:35 | <wakko222> I'm used to Fedora and would like to use it. Sorry.
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| 13:35 | <mahdi_ja> alkisg, after show the no response from server restarting
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| 13:35 | <[GuS]> mahdi_ja: is not that a ssh keys problem?
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| 13:35 | <mahdi_ja> i get some error for example can not find ltsppci command i think
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| 13:36 | <alkisg> Paste the exact error, maybe someone that knows fedora has seen it before
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| 13:36 | <mahdi_ja> [GuS], yes it may
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| 13:36 | alkisg, i can not access server now
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| 13:37 | [GuS], how i can test ssh keys
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| 13:38 | wakko222, https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/InstallGuide is very good document
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| 13:38 | <[GuS]> did you updated you ssh keys with the ltsp command?
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| 13:38 | <mahdi_ja> [GuS], no
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| 13:39 | <wakko222> ok, i tried a few weeks ago and it failed on the ltsp-build-client
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| 13:39 | <mahdi_ja> wakko222, go to this page
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| 13:39 | wakko222, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=652896
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| 13:39 | <wakko222> ok i have it from before, i will try again.
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| 13:39 | <mahdi_ja> [GuS], ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 13:40 | [GuS], i must use this command
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| 13:40 | <[GuS]> yes in the server
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| 13:40 | <alkisg> Doesn't fedora use an internal subnet?
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| 13:40 | So that the server IP is always the same?
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| 13:40 | <mahdi_ja> alkisg, yes feodra use internal subnet
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| 13:41 | <wakko222> alkisg - usually 10.42.43.* if set up in network manager
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| 13:41 | <alkisg> So the problem might be something else - you need access to the server to try things though
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| 13:41 | <mahdi_ja> alkisg, 73.110.100.101
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| 13:42 | it is a example thin ip address
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| 13:42 | i use tow nic card
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| 13:44 | alkisg, thank you
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| 13:45 | alkisg, Tomorrow i test all these
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| 13:46 | alkisg, I'm sorry to disturb you
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| 13:46 | <alkisg> mahdi_ja: you're welcome, good luck
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| 13:46 | <mahdi_ja> alkisg, thank you.
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| 13:47 | <wakko222> mahdi_ja - I see the file in the bug report and where to save it. What should I save it as (name)?
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| 13:47 | <mahdi_ja> wakko222, which file
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| 13:47 | <wakko222> weren't you refering to comment 16 and the attachment?
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| 13:49 | ok, now I'm not sure. I am getting the ERROR: fc14 not supported and am stuck there
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| 13:49 | <mahdi_ja> wakko222, /etc/sysconfig
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| 13:50 | wakko222, /etc/sysconfig/ltspdist
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| 13:50 | <wakko222> ok, and that fixes the error?
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| 13:50 | <mahdi_ja> you must edit ltspdist file with new content
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| 13:50 | wakko222, yes
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| 18:45 | <jhutchins_lt> Interesting. This is an ipod connected to a client running ltsp from this server:
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| 18:45 | ls: cannot access /media/marilyn/MJEVANS: Permission denied
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| 18:45 | total 0
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| 18:45 | d????????? ? ? ? ? ? MJEVANS
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| 21:17 | <MorningSon> so if i use 'ltsp-build-client --fat-client ubuntu-desktop' will the ltsp server give it the whole image at each boot?
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| 21:18 | or is it about the same as the image used for thin clients just configured so that some apps run locally based on the lts.conf file?
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| 22:03 | <nutron> so, now I'm trying to save my ltsp install as being "unreliable" and generally "slower" than disk-based stations.
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| 22:03 | That's fine, but can anyone comment on my setup? See if I'm going wrong somewhere?
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| 22:04 | <nutron> Octo-core xeon, 24G ram, 32G swap running Lenny.
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| 22:04 | NFS mounted home directories to the equivalent machine on the other end of the wire.
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| 22:05 | I have a secondary app server that I'm in the midst of setting up, but is my setup bad? Should we experience lag while using thunderbird (icedove)? hmm, I don't know what else to tell you.
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| 22:05 | Maybe my expecations were too high?
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| 22:06 | Oh, the thin clients all have 512mb athlon xp 2500 or better motherboards.
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| 22:06 | Network is 100mbit uplink for each station, then each switch (24 port) uplinks via a 4 gb lag connection to the upstream switch, which then links to the app server with a 4 gb bond connection again.
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| 22:07 | After watching the traffic, people can even watch video on the 100mbit connections. The switches seem to be able to handle it.
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| 22:08 | Overall, the system feels lagged, well really only when starting to type.. then it looks like it catches up.
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| 22:09 | Seems that really the only real culprit is icedove (thunderbird)... so I don't really know what I'm asking. Do others have these experiences? or is it just me?
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| 22:09 | oh yeah 25 concurrent users at one time.
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| 22:27 | <nutron> sorry about the rambles
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| 22:27 | :P
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| 23:31 | <alkisg> nutron: if it's only on icedove, you could try running it as a localapp
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