IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 21 October 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 05:37 | <etsoft> hi there, i want to use a thin client of HP ( supporting Citrix and RDP ) with LTSP, what do i need to do to get it working ?
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| 05:37 | I've setup Ubuntu server to support LTSP as described of the websites.
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| 07:16 | <robbie> hi all
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| 07:38 | <cliebow__> hey robbie...enjoying your spring?
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| 07:39 | <robbie> very much so
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| 07:39 | infact
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| 07:39 | http://rotapile.ods.org/gallery/0710/PA210006.JPG?width=1024
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| 07:39 | that much so
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| 07:40 | <cliebow__> WOw..that is gorgeous
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| 07:41 | <robbie> cliebow_: i see you updated to gutsy as well
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| 07:41 | yeah the place is looking real good this year, we finaly got some rain
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| 10:23 | <cliebow__> jammcq:you thought about food for bts?
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| 10:23 | <jammcq> cliebow__: food is easy
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| 10:23 | lobster+beer == well fed
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| 10:23 | next question?
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| 10:24 | I figure lunch on saturday, we'll stop in Ellsworth on the way into SW.Harbor
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| 10:25 | maybe a quickie at wendys or McD's or something
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| 10:25 | then, dinner we'll get David.L to cook us up a wonderful dinner
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| 10:36 | <cliebow__> Cool!! he is amenable??
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| 10:37 | the kOZY kOVE is uncertain..ill try to check that out
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| 10:39 | <jammcq> I figure for dinner on sunday, maybe we'll get some pizzas from that place not too far from the Seawall. it was a party store directly west of the seawall
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| 10:39 | kind of around the block, but it's a big block
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| 11:06 | <paul0> hum
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| 11:06 | my ltsp doesn't boot since i've updated ubuntu
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| 11:12 | <sbalneav> paul0: Have you re-built the chroot?
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| 11:23 | <jroberts> Some co-workers and I want to build a couple of sumobots and are researching controllers. The make boards definately has a lot of features, but does that make it a more complicated board to program?
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| 11:24 | Oops, wrong window. forgive me.
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| 11:24 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 11:28 | <jroberts> I setup ltsp in my home a few years back, really loved it. At work recently I saw a use for it and decided to set up a server to get familiar with it again, it's really changed a lot.
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| 11:28 | <vagrantc> hopefully mostly for the better :)
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| 11:29 | <sbalneav> We've been working on it :)
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| 11:30 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: any idea why LDM2 in etch doesn't display the background, but otherwise works ?
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| 11:30 | or more, what would cause that
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| 11:30 | <jroberts> I setup an edubuntu lab environment in less than 30 min.
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| 11:31 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: Well, it's the greeter itself that displays the background.
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| 11:31 | <jroberts> pretty cool.
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| 11:31 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: the other parts of the greeter work fine
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| 11:31 | <sbalneav> one sec, I'll point you to the relevent lines.
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| 11:32 | <vagrantc> this is going to force me to become semi-competant in reading C i suspect :)
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| 11:32 | <sbalneav> Oh, by the way, now that things are slowing down a bit, I'm going to upgrade my etch box. Lenny's probably where I should be at?
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| 11:32 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: lenny's the development environment
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| 11:33 | lately, i've been testing on lenny, and then when i get it to a reasonably good state, try to backport it to etch.
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| 11:33 | <sbalneav> logo = gtk_image_new_from_file(PIXMAPS_DIR "/logo.png");
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| 11:33 | So, PIXMAPS_DIR needs to be set in the autoconf
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| 11:33 | rawpic = gdk_pixbuf_new_from_file_at_scale(PIXMAPS_DIR "/bg.png", pw, ph, FALSE, NULL);
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| 11:34 | <vagrantc> so, what would cause that to work when compiled for lenny, but fail when compiled for etch ?
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| 11:34 | <sbalneav> And that's the background
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| 11:34 | <vagrantc> and actually, if i install the packages compiled for etch on lenny, it works.
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| 11:34 | <sbalneav> Well, good question.
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| 11:34 | <vagrantc> just get a blank white screen
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| 11:34 | <sbalneav> One of two things:
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| 11:35 | Either the PIXMAPS_DIR macro isn't being set for some reason, or...
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| 11:35 | gdk_pixbuf_new_from_file_at_scale() is broken for some strange reason.
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| 11:35 | Not a perm problem, is it?
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| 11:35 | <vagrantc> permissions ?
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| 11:35 | <sbalneav> Shouldn't be, since the greeter runs as root.
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| 11:35 | <vagrantc> right
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| 11:35 | <sbalneav> hm.
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| 11:36 | <vagrantc> and the permissions when installed on etch are the same when installed on lenny
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| 11:36 | <sbalneav> right.
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| 11:36 | You can just run the greeter standalone on the server.
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| 11:36 | Try putting all the pixmap stuff up on the server, then just run ldmgtkgreet
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| 11:37 | You should be able to alt tab between it and the terminal you start it from
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| 11:37 | <vagrantc> two main difficulties with the etch backport... X.org in etch isn't good enough at autoconfiguring itself... but i've enabled a way to use the old method ... and LDM doesn't display the background...
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| 11:37 | <sbalneav> You can actually interact with the greeter: send it the commands it needs, and read it's responses.
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| 11:37 | <vagrantc> really...
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| 11:37 | <sbalneav> maybe it'll issue a GTK error complaining about the image.
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| 11:37 | yeah, it just reads/writes stdio
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| 11:37 | <vagrantc> should i be able to see that in the ldm.log ?
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| 11:38 | <sbalneav> Hmmm, I don't thing I'm trapping stderr, and piping it anywhere. I probably should.
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| 11:38 | <vagrantc> if i recall correctly, i don't see anything
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| 11:38 | <sbalneav> I'd have to connect stderr to the logfile, with dup() or some such.
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| 11:39 | <vagrantc> oh, regarding lenny, the 5.0.3?* packages haven't actually made it to lenny yet ... waiting for other dependencies to get into lenny
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| 11:39 | <sbalneav> OK.
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| 11:39 | Well, I should move to lenny anyway on the deb box.
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| 11:40 | <vagrantc> but i've tested the newer ltsp stuff with lenny and it appears to be working
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| 11:40 | got a boatload of translations pending :)
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| 11:41 | latest addition is a complete finnish translation
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| 11:44 | <sbalneav> We'll want to make the translations part of upstream, you'll have to show me how that whole i18n thing works.
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| 11:44 | I'm completely clueless when it comes to i18n. I need a i18n for dummies book :)
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| 11:45 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: it's pretty simple for shell scripts ... not sure how it works for C programs
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| 11:46 | ogra: as far as i can tell, you have german translations for LDM, but they do not actually get built or installed ... ?
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| 11:47 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: basically, anywhere you would normally put a string ... say ... echo "foo bar" ... instead you would put echo "`eval_gettext "foo bar"`"
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| 11:48 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: and then at build time, make looks through all your shell scripts, pulls out the translateable strings, and compiles the language-stuff
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| 11:51 | i think for C, it's actually a little more elegant
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| 11:52 | <rjune_> it's actually fairly similar based on what I've seen
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| 12:16 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: So, it's for sure you're not coming to bts?
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| 12:17 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: i've got some commitments here till mid-november
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| 12:17 | till the 11th, at least
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| 12:18 | <sbalneav> Too bad. I'll miss you
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| 12:18 | <vagrantc> yeah.
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| 12:19 | i'd really like to hang out and figure out some of the upstream stuff
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| 12:20 | sbalneav: i think you should get to meet stratus at the UDS, though. he's been one of the debian LTSP folks
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| 12:22 | <sbalneav> Ah, cool
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| 12:22 | Well, hang around online
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| 12:23 | We'll ask plenty of questions
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| 12:23 | <vagrantc> heh :)
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| 12:25 | <vagrantc> main things i want to work on are getting ldm split into it's own source package... right now it's holding the rest of ltsp from progressing from unstable to testing in debian
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| 12:26 | and getting some theme packages
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| 12:27 | so that all architectures don't have to duplicate all the .png files, and to make it easier for other CDDs to drop in their themes.
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| 12:27 | (CDD = custom debian distribution)
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| 12:28 | <vagrantc> i've just got to sit down and do a proof of concept with splitting the ldm stuff out ... been meaning to for ages.
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| 12:51 | <vagrantc> yay
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| 12:51 | got a proof of concept split of ldm out of ltsp
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| 14:03 | <vagrantc> http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/ltsp/features/ldm-split
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| 14:03 | weeee.
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| 17:22 | <^Migs^> when I'm running a graphic-intensive application off an LTSP server, do all the thin clients need graphics cards capable of running the app, or is it only the server that does?
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| 17:23 | I hope that's not a dumb question
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| 17:43 | <rjune_> ^Migs^: any terminal that will run the graphical program
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| 17:46 | <^Migs^> so if I'm trying to run something that requires, e.g., Pixel Shader 2.0, the client needs an adequate graphics card?
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| 17:46 | I'm not sure what you meant by any terminal that will run the graphical program
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| 18:03 | <sbalneav> ^Migs^: Even with a good graphics card, you'll probably find that performance on a thin client will be much slower.
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| 18:03 | Simply because all the graphical operations are now going to be tunnelled over the network.
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| 18:04 | So, at a bare minimum, you're going to want gigabit networking.
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| 18:04 | <^Migs^> okay, I was expecting to use gbit anyway. Still hasn't answered my question. Does the server's graphics card handle all the graphics processing, or does the client's?
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| 18:05 | <sbalneav> The clients
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| 18:05 | <^Migs^> okay
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| 18:05 | thank you
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| 18:05 | crap
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| 18:06 | I was wanting to install some applications like Celestia (www.shatters.net/celestia) or Alice (www.alice.org) in a school lab, but might be harder with that restriction
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| 18:07 | <sbalneav> Well, instead of celestia, you can use kstars, which will work fine on a thin client.
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| 18:08 | <^Migs^> kstars sucks
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| 18:09 | it's not even remotely comparable
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| 18:09 | you can travel through the entire universe with Celestia. Not so with kstars.
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| 18:10 | <sbalneav> I wouldn't say it sucks, as I use it all the time for my amateur astronomy, but to each his own.
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| 18:10 | <^Migs^> my opinions are always correct
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| 18:10 | <sbalneav> uhh, yeah.
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| 18:11 | <^Migs^> :D
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| 20:05 | <pabluss> Hi! fast question , is possible to implement a windows xp diskless node ?, there is some howto for this? thanks in advance
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| 20:26 | <pabluss> Hi! fast question , is possible to implement a windows xp diskless node ?, there is some howto for this? thanks in advance
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| 20:29 | <jammcq> pabluss: you are asking a WINDOWS question in a Linux forum. you aren't likely to get much response
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| 20:31 | <pabluss> jammcq: no, because severals years ago i did it but nfs + etherboot in a Sun Solaris Server, now reading ltsp i think that is possible.... i don't know if there is some experience for this...
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| 20:31 | jammcq: the windows flavor was windows 3.11 , now i don't know if it's possible with xp ..
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| 20:32 | <jammcq> pabluss: I'll remind you the 'L' in LTSP stands for Linux
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| 20:32 | we don't do windows here
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| 20:33 | <pabluss> jammcq: but --> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WinIntegration ?
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| 20:33 | the idea is the same..
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| 20:35 | <jammcq> that's not booting windows as diskless
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| 20:35 | that's using rdesktop to access a windows terminal server
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| 20:35 | <pabluss> hmmm
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| 20:57 | <jcastro> hi moquist
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| 23:29 | <unstable> heh
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