IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 20 October 2015 (all times are UTC)
| 00:00 | <vagrantc> oh, glad to hear it's working well
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| 00:00 | yeah, LTSP works on Debian 8 just fine :)
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| 00:01 | uncmar: man lts.conf, look at the USE_LOCAL_SWAP option
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| 00:01 | arguably, debian 8 probably works better out of the box than any other current linux distro :)
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| 00:02 | <uncmar> I remmeber that last time it was a bit of a chore to setup. For most, pretty straight forward. But as per usual, I tend to have my own set of strange needs that throw a wrench in the works, Slowing down the process.
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| 00:03 | Good, I'm debian all the way. Have been for a long time now.
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| 00:04 | gotta be root for the man lts.conf?
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| 00:05 | ugh, getting nothing. Old install and all.
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| 00:07 | <vagrantc> apt-get install ltsp-docs
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| 00:11 | <uncmar> Remind me, What is NBD? Network Boot Disk?
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| 00:11 | or, Network Boot Drive?
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| 00:14 | nm, found it. Network Block Device. Again, a sort of remote drive. I think I already have that setup.
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| 00:16 | Nice, vagrantc! Thanks.
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| 00:20 | That was a very easy change.
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| 00:21 | * vagrantc waves | |
| 00:21 | <vagrantc> good luck!
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| 10:54 | <SYS64738> hi, I am testing ltsp on debian, the thin client boot ok, but during the boot I see a lot of:
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| 10:54 | IP-Config: no response after 3 secs - giving up
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| 10:54 | what they means ?
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| 10:54 | <work_alkisg> It tries to get an ip and fails
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| 10:54 | <alkisg> How many nics does your client have? One or two?
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| 10:55 | <SYS64738> it seems only one
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| 10:56 | it has the option for the 2nd eth module
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| 10:56 | <alkisg> Get a local shell and run: lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 Ethernet
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| 10:57 | And also: ip a
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| 10:57 | Put the results to pastebin.com
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| 10:57 | !screen_08
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| 10:57 | <ltsp> Error: "screen_08" is not a valid command.
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| 10:57 | <alkisg> !screen_02
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| 10:57 | <ltsp> screen_02: To get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using_a_shell_SCREEN
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| 10:57 | <alkisg> !localxterm
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| 10:57 | <ltsp> localxterm: Any applications that you launch on a thin client actually runs on the server, not on the client itself. If you want to open a program on the client locally, you can type 'ltsp-localapps <program>' in a run dialog or in a terminal. For example, 'ltsp-localapps xterm' to open a terminal running on the client.
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| 10:57 | <alkisg> ...one of those methods will give you a shell
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| 11:00 | <SYS64738> alkisg: I still haven't internet connection in the thinclinet, however lspci shows only one ethernet
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| 11:03 | alkisg: is it possible that the error means that I have not iptools like ifconfig ?
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| 11:04 | <alkisg> no, I don't think so
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| 11:06 | !ipappend
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| 11:06 | <ltsp> ipappend: o temporarily solve DHCP problems in the initramfs, try putting IPAPPEND 3 after the APPEND line in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default. More info: http://www.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php/SYSLINUX#IPAPPEND_flag_val_.5BPXELINUX_only.5D
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| 11:06 | <alkisg> If you do that, does the message go away?
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| 11:06 | (temporarily)
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| 11:09 | <SYS64738> I am installing stuff, I'll try asap
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| 11:10 | now I see that there is an ipappend 2
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| 11:12 | alkisg: it's the same with ipappend 3
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| 11:23 | <alkisg> remove "quiet" from that file... and then try to get a screenshot (e.g. with a mobile phone) of the problem
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| 11:24 | Although if it works, you could just let it be :)
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| 11:38 | <SYS64738> alkisg: same thing!
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| 11:38 | I will try to make some other test, for now I can use it
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| 11:39 | thank you very much for the help
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| 11:39 | <alkisg> Yes, getting a screenshot doesn't solve the issue, it's just a way to show the others what you see
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| 11:39 | :)
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| 11:40 | * alkisg waves | |
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| 11:40 | <SYS64738> ok I'll put the screenshot asap
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| 11:41 | thank you again
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| 16:51 | <SYS64738> !cluster
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| 16:51 | <ltsp> Error: "cluster" is not a valid command.
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| 18:51 | <alkisg> gbaman_: did you ever have issues with rpi's not booting because the fat partition had the dirty bit set (not closed cleanly)?
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| 18:58 | <gbaman_> alkisg: usually it is happy enough to boot anyway
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| 18:58 | And if it is bad, usually fsck will attempt to sort it on boot
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| 18:59 | <alkisg> Hmm sometimes, some sd cards won't boot for me, and then after fsck they boot...
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| 18:59 | * alkisg wonders if he didn't insert the sd cards properly the first time... | |
| 19:00 | <gbaman_> Maybe format it and reflash?
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| 19:00 | Or maybe you have a dodgy SD card?
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| 19:00 | <alkisg> It could be.... if you haven't seen that a lot of times, it must be something local, the sdcard or something
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| 19:01 | <gbaman_> Yeah, I have never seen it refuse to boot
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| 19:01 | <alkisg> Cool, thank you
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| 19:01 | <gbaman_> If there is issues, it will always get far enough for fsck to sort it
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| 19:01 | So are you still working on getting u-boot working?
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| 19:02 | <alkisg> No, I left that for vagrantc :D
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| 19:02 | <gbaman_> So what you working on now?
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| 19:02 | <alkisg> I'll implement the automatic kernel+initrd updates
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| 19:02 | <gbaman_> Ahh
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| 19:02 | <alkisg> First, I got the greek schools ppa to support arm, and pushed new ltsp versions there
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| 19:03 | Then I made ltsp-build-client work for ubuntu chroots
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| 19:03 | Now I'll optimize it a bit, e.g. maybe select the new 4.2 raspi2 ubuntu kernel,
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| 19:03 | and when that is done, I'll start pushing things upstream, like the kernel updates
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| 19:04 | +writing a how to
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| 19:04 | In the future, we'll probably internationalize sch-scripts so that ltsp labs have a tool to manage users, manage the ltsp server etc
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| 19:05 | <gbaman_> Now that would be nice
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| 19:05 | <alkisg> and maybe push it to edubuntu by default
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| 19:06 | gbaman_: do you know the packages that rpi's require? E.g. from the fo0bar ppa, do users need all of those packages? (although you're not using ubuntu, I'm just asking if you do know the package names...)
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| 19:06 | I can understand the kernel and the turbo graphics, but there are some packages there that I don't know if they're necessary
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| 19:06 | <gbaman_> You mean ones that would only be in the Raspbian repos?
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| 19:07 | <alkisg> Yes, and probably preinstalled in raspbian
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| 19:08 | <gbaman_> A majority of the packages Raspbian install are here - https://github.com/PiNet/PiNet/blob/master/pinet#L663
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| 19:09 | <alkisg> Ah, btw, have you seen any sd cards wear out? Probably if they're using plain raspbian and not ltsp/pinet....
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| 19:09 | <gbaman_> Yeah, but very very rarely
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| 19:09 | <alkisg> I have developed a method to boot sdcards with the ltsp-client package but without a server, in cow mode
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| 19:10 | OK, if there's no need for a how to for that, np..
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| 19:10 | <gbaman_> Hmm
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| 19:10 | Having some sort of way for read only I am sure could be useful
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| 19:11 | Especially given you could use SquashFS to boot a bit faster
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| 19:12 | <alkisg> yes, using squashfs
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| 19:12 | init=init-ltsp, but with a "local" parameter
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| 19:22 | <maldridge> alkisg: I have seen cards burn out regularly on the v1 Pi, I could get about a year on a card before it would die
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