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Channel log from 10 March 2013 (all times are UTC)
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| 11:17 | <zamba> whenever i try launching firefox the X session is restarted.. the same happens when i close chromium.. what's going on?
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| 11:17 | i tried removing ~/.mozilla/ just to be sure it's not a profile problem, but that didn't help
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| 11:18 | the same happens with different users, so there has to be a hardware problem or ltsp-server problem
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| 11:20 | <gvy> zamba, might be out-of-memory on client, especially if that one has lower memory than those not exposing this problem
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| 11:20 | <zamba> 256 MB RAM
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| 11:20 | <gvy> firefox runs on the terminal server but stuffs its pixmaps into client's X server which can blow up
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| 11:20 | <zamba> and it's a freshly booted system
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| 11:21 | <gvy> hm, should be more than enough
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| 11:21 | I'd try to vary things -- like logging in with another user, logging elsewhere with this user...
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| 11:21 | <zamba> X_RAMPERC=80
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| 11:21 | the problem isn't the user
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| 11:22 | we have LDM_AUTOLOGIN=true
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| 11:22 | LDM_DIRECTX=true
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| 11:22 | i'm trying to upgrade the system now.. see if that helps
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| 11:23 | btw.. gnome-related question.. how do i create a shortcut on the desktop? if i try right-clicking on an icon in the "start menu", the application is launched
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| 11:23 | i can drag it to the desktop, but then i get a stupid-looking icon
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| 11:24 | <gvy> lol, it's a gnome3 faq it seems
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| 11:24 | AFAIH there's an extension already to do that
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| 11:24 | <zamba> an extension?
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| 11:24 | <gvy> can't tell for sure being an oldfag who prefers windowmaker (and recently e17) :)
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| 11:24 | <zamba> hehe
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| 11:34 | tried upgrading the ltsp-server.. but no help.. still the same problem..
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| 11:34 | whenever i try starting firefox, the X session restart
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| 11:34 | +s
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| 11:35 | in chromium, if i try clicking a link, the same happens
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| 11:43 | on a different system, it works just fine
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| 11:43 | so there has to be some hardware issues here
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| 11:44 | http://pastie.org/6440543
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| 11:45 | <zamba> this is the hardware it fails on
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| 11:45 | could it be the vga adapter?
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| 11:45 | <gvy> erm, could you try another similar card?
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| 11:45 | (checking the cooler just in case too)
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| 11:45 | <zamba> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/1072711
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| 11:45 | that's my error
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| 11:46 | <gvy> precisely
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| 11:47 | <zamba> Fix released in LTSP 5.4.5.
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| 11:47 | alkisg knows about this :)
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| 11:47 | <gvy> does the recipe in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/1072711/comments/3 help at least?
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| 11:47 | <zamba> i'm going to try that
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| 11:48 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/1072711/comments/11
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| 11:48 | do that
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| 11:48 | <gvy> heh, alkisg's workaround does exactly that :]
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| 11:49 | <zamba> yeah, it's alkisg who has written #11 as well, so :)
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| 11:49 | it's the same thing, just different way of implementing it
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| 11:49 | * gvy prefers to mark kludges like that with a FIXME so that these are greppable at least | |
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| 13:52 | <markit> hi alkisg, I'm at school, I've updated the system and set to use nfs4 etc. to use fat clients with KDE. But I've again the old lnusertemp error, even if KDEVARTMP is redirected to .cache of the home. Any recent changes of ltsp that you think can create some probems?
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| 13:53 | <alkisg> markit: you mean the new versions of ltsp in the greek schools PPA? No, none that I can think of
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| 13:53 | I don't know how you solved the problem in the first case though...
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| 13:54 | <markit> was setting in chroot that variable to point to ~/.cache instead of /var/tmp
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| 13:54 | I see that kde cache dir is created under .cache, so the variable seems ok
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| 13:55 | <alkisg> And what does the error say?
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| 13:55 | <markit> mmm hold on, my notes tells of the same issue if nfs4 is not properly set
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| 13:56 | let's check that first
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| 13:56 | (I recently updated a ltsp server and everything went fine)
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| 14:04 | <markit> alkisg: perfect, was that!
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| 14:04 | <alkisg> Nice :0
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| 14:04 | :)
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| 14:04 | markit: don't forget to also test -threads in epoptes
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| 14:04 | <markit> alkisg: I've only this problem left, wakeonlan not working
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| 14:04 | <alkisg> Some NICs need ethtool -wol set +g or something similar, we put code for that in epoptes
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| 14:05 | <markit> alkisg: I'm going to test it today, could you please point me to the patch file and tell me if is a chroot or server patch?
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| 14:05 | <alkisg> I think that code (and -threads too) are not released yet
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| 14:05 | <markit> ah,I see
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| 14:05 | <alkisg> Sure, moment..
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| 14:05 | <markit> btw, in my home test environment I had to use wakeonlan -i IPOfTheClientSideInterface to make it work, is epoptes doing the same?
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| 14:06 | <alkisg> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~epoptes/epoptes/trunk/revision/352
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| 14:06 | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~epoptes/epoptes/trunk/revision/353
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| 14:06 | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~epoptes/epoptes/trunk/revision/373
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| 14:06 | <markit> (sorry to ask you but I've my updated notes at home, I was back here because nothing was working so had no idea to have time left for some test)
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| 14:06 | <alkisg> 352 = server side, 353 = client side (chroot), 373 = server side
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| 14:07 | There are several methods for wake on lan, epoptes is using the one with the magic packet
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| 14:08 | <markit> having ltsp server with 2 interfaces
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| 14:08 | wakeonlan 00:23:54:ad:89:c7 sends to eth0 (my gw, router side)
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| 14:08 | so had to use wakeonlan -i 192.168.20.255 00:23:54:ad:89:c7
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| 14:08 | <alkisg> Hmm I don't know what will happen there
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| 14:08 | <markit> and it worked (but does not here at school...)
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| 14:08 | <alkisg> So yeah maybe that's the problem
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| 14:08 | Phantomas: ^
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| 14:09 | <markit> lol, I need a personal Phantomas too! ;P
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| 14:09 | <alkisg> markit: if that's the case, you'd better file a bug in epoptes so that we put a configuration option on which ethX to use
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| 14:09 | Or at least, use all of them
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| 14:10 | You can test with `python /usr/share/pyshared/epoptes/core/wol.py mac-address`
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| 14:10 | (or from the epoptes UI...)
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| 14:12 | <markit> ehm, I've /usr/bin/epoptes, where should be epoptes/ui/gui.py ?
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| 14:12 | <alkisg> dpkg -L epoptes | grep gui.py
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| 14:13 | <markit> I've in 2 places, /usr/share and /usr/lib
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| 14:13 | '/usr/share/pyshared/epoptes/ui/gui.py
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| 14:13 | '/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/epoptes/ui/gui.py
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| 14:14 | I guess the first one is the right one
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| 14:16 | <alkisg> They're symlinks, don't worry
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| 14:17 | <Phantomas> back
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| 14:18 | markit: as alkisg said, you'd better file a bug!
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| 14:22 | <markit> chroot, find / -name epoptes-client.default
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| 14:22 | nothing there
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| 14:22 | for http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~epoptes/epoptes/trunk/revision/353
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| 14:24 | <alkisg> markit: /etc/default/epoptes-client in the chroot
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| 14:26 | <markit> with tcpdump I can confirm that epoptes (not yet patched) sends magic packet to eth0 instead of bond0
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| 14:27 | <alkisg> The patch won't help with that though
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| 14:28 | <markit> where is debian/epoptes-client.if-up
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| 14:28 | ?
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| 14:28 | yes, let's see if the patch is enabling wol, and if so I should be able to issue manually
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| 14:29 | if so, is just a matter of waiting phantomas to create a new patch
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| 14:29 | <alkisg> if-up ==> /etc/network/if-up.d/epoptes-client
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| 14:30 | markit: can you use your own wol tool to wake up the clients now?
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| 14:30 | If not, ok, apply the patch and test again
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| 14:31 | <markit> no, manually does not work
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| 14:31 | but eoptes patch, afaik, will enable wol in the clients nic, correct?
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| 14:32 | <alkisg> That's the intent there, yeah
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| 14:32 | <markit> btw, create ltsp1XY users and autologin is great for testing, expecially if wol will work
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| 14:34 | also would love if you can create maybe a separate tool that uses epoptes part to test connectivity, telling statistics for each client in terms of bandwidt, packet or other communication loss, etc.
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| 14:34 | a good working net is paramount for ltsp, and few people have the knowledge to test it and troubleshoot properly
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| 14:34 | or at least understand that there ar troubles on the wires so every software config is useless
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| 14:35 | I'm slowling learing a few of python, maybe one day...
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| 14:35 | * markit loves ssd when is time to update the ltsp image | |
| 14:38 | <alkisg> Me and Phantomas are planning a computer lab health check tool in epoptes... it'll include network status too
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| 14:38 | Like, flow control problems, lost tcp packets etc etc
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| 14:44 | <markit> alkisg: yep, I want it too :)))
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| 14:44 | btw, I'm creating a test class in epoptes
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| 14:45 | but dragging from "autodetected clients" there on the left seems not working very well... I remember somethign about it, is there a trick for it?
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| 14:47 | <alkisg> Dragging only works for a single client now, and you need to drop it exactly over the class name
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| 14:47 | I think Phantomas fixed the dropping part in bazaar but not the multiple clients part yet
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| 14:54 | <markit> alkisg: this crappy server crashed :(
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| 14:54 | it's a real "server", so no good graphic
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| 14:54 | <alkisg> :)
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| 14:54 | (04:47:05 μμ) alkisg: Dragging only works for a single client now, and you need to drop it exactly over the class name
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| 14:54 | (04:47:34 μμ) alkisg: I think Phantomas fixed the dropping part in bazaar but not the multiple clients part yet
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| 14:54 | <markit> I had to install a pci-express video card that is on 1x bus
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| 14:54 | let me play the video alone now
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| 14:54 | if I don't reply, is crashing again
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| 14:55 | btw, is really a shame that video problem can freeze the server completely
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| 14:57 | <alkisg> Video problem on the client?
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| 15:15 | <markit> alkisg: smplayer or vlc or whatever freeze the UI after some seconds
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| 15:15 | so bad :(
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| 15:15 | <alkisg> markit: on the client?
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| 15:15 | (thin? fat?)
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| 15:16 | <markit> btw, I've seen kernel 3.5 but NOT pae in the package list, is pae by default or they removed the -pae features?
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| 15:16 | alkisg: on the server, no epoptes related
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| 15:16 | just this crappy server
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| 15:16 | was my first installation, I did a mistake suggesting this model
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| 15:16 | but is 1.000 euros, nothing I can afford to replace at my expenses
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| 15:17 | I'll talk with the school chief and see what can be done...
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| 15:17 | vide would have been good since I coudl have seen the clients while playing
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| 15:17 | you know that we have monitors "on the other side" respect the teacher
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| 15:18 | so can't see from my server site
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| 15:18 | client screens
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| 15:18 | <alkisg> Try disabling hardware acceleration on your server xorg.conf
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| 15:18 | Which card? lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA
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| 15:19 | <markit> btw, wake on lan (manual, not with epoptes) works, but I also changed some bios condfig, so I've to test further
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| 15:19 | <markit> is a pciexpress in a 1x slot!
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| 15:20 | I had to cut the board connector to make it stay
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| 15:20 | you figure
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| 15:21 | <markit> linux-image-3.5.0-25-generic is pae enabled by default? there are no 3.5 -pae
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| 15:23 | <alkisg> In 3.5+ there's no "non-pae" kernel
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| 15:23 | You don't have the nvidia proprietary drivers, do you?
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| 15:23 | <markit> no, I don't
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| 15:23 | only free
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| 15:23 | (dom)
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| 15:24 | <alkisg> man nouveau => noaccel
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| 15:26 | <markit> APM -> Poer on PME# must be enabled in bios
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| 15:27 | alkisg: so I have to create a xorg.conf and put there the config... but Section "Device" what should I put there? laso Identirier "devname"?
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| 15:35 | ok, I try
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| 15:38 | <markit> alkisg: does not freeze, but is slow like hell even in moving/resizing windows
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| 15:38 | <alkisg> markit: nice, so now re-enable it and go to vlc and disable xvideo
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| 15:38 | Switch to x11 video instead
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| 15:39 | markit: also try with the older kernel
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| 15:39 | nouveau is very unstable between releases
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| 15:39 | Which ubuntu version is that?
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| 15:39 | <markit> older? I've not installed 3.5
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| 15:39 | 12.04
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| 15:39 | <alkisg> Did you just install it, like a month ago?
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| 15:40 | <markit> I've "acceleraation vidoe output Overlay", not xvideo
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| 15:40 | I installed it at end of august I think
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| 15:41 | <alkisg> 12.04 and 12.04.1 have kernel = 3.2
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| 15:41 | 12.04.2 has 3.5
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| 15:41 | So if you installed it on august, you *manually* installed the newer kernel
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| 15:41 | <markit> # uname -a
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| 15:41 | Linux gnuserver 3.2.0-38-generic-pae #61-Ubuntu SMP Tue Feb 19 12:39:51 UTC 2013 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
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| 15:42 | <alkisg> OK, then not 3.5
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| 15:42 | <markit> I just asked for 3.5 to know if could solve the problem
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| 15:42 | <alkisg> Ah
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| 15:42 | Sure, it might
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| 15:42 | <markit> but since I've 8GB ram
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| 15:42 | <alkisg> But also try the newer xorg stack
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| 15:42 | <markit> and I see no pae...
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| 15:42 | <alkisg> sudo apt-get install linux-image-generic-lts-quantal xserver-xorg-lts-quantal
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| 15:43 | It's pae, it just doesn't have it in its name
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| 15:43 | <markit> no additional ppa needed?
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| 15:43 | <alkisg> Because in 3.5+ there's no "non-pae" kernel
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| 15:43 | No ppa needed
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| 15:43 | <markit> ok, and I remove xorg.conf also
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| 15:44 | 259 packages to install
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| 15:44 | urgh, I cross my fingers will not break anything important ;P
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| 15:44 | mm is going to remove kde-window-manager kde-workspace kubuntu-desktop
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| 15:45 | <alkisg> Don't do it then
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| 15:45 | Check why it tries to do that
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| 15:45 | <markit> seems to get a lot of gnome stuff
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| 15:45 | <alkisg> And also you can check "just" with the 3.5 kernel and without xserver-xorg-lts-quantal, although it's less likely to fix the problem
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| 15:45 | <markit> like compiz
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| 15:45 | <alkisg> Uh?
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| 15:45 | xserver is related to compiz?
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| 15:46 | <markit> first line is apg aptdaemon-data bamfdaemon brasero brasero-cdrkit brasero-common compiz compiz-core compiz-gnome compiz-plugins-default compiz-plugins-main-default
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| 15:46 | and then the other 200+ packages
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| 15:46 | dpkg -l | grep compiz is empty
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| 15:46 | maybe a -R ?
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| 15:47 | to avoid "required" dependencies?
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| 15:51 | alkisg: http://www.pastebin.ca/2330650
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| 15:51 | also unity is going to be installed!
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| 15:53 | btw I've kde backports ppa active, if does make any difference
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| 15:53 | ok, removed xorg.conf, time to reboot with the new kenrel and old xorg
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| 15:53 | <alkisg> markit: check if KDE depends only on old xorg
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| 15:54 | If so, tell the KDE guys to SRU an update
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| 15:54 | <markit> how can I check?
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| 15:54 | <alkisg> So that they depend on old-xorg | new-xorg
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| 15:54 | The following packages will be REMOVED: kde-window-manager kde-workspace kubuntu-desktop...
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| 15:54 | Maybe aptitude will better explain the case
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| 15:55 | There are also some apt-* depends commands but I don't have them handy
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| 15:55 | <markit> I'm using aptitude show
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| 15:57 | <markit> alkisg: here the output, I reboot http://www.pastebin.ca/2330654
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| 16:20 | <markit> alkisg: new kernel does not resolve
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| 16:20 | btw, GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" ---> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="" and X does not start automatically anymore?
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| 16:20 | <alkisg> markit: try: aptitude install xserver-xorg-lts-quantal, and pastebin *that* output
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| 16:20 | <markit> (works if I log and then $ startx)
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| 16:22 | alkisg: http://www.pastebin.ca/2330669
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| 16:25 | mmm maybe with recent kenrels GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="noquiet nosplash" works instead
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| 16:31 | also renaming interfaces in udev/rules does not work well with kernel 3.5... I've the hidden if 'rename2' and the bond with only one interface
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| 16:31 | I change and reboot, need to fix it soon because takes 4 minuts to boot all the 18 fat clients this way
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| 16:33 | btw, I can drag in epoptes only one client, the second does not "enter" in the group
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| 16:43 | <markit> alkisg: bond fixed, hope that having a bond with an intel and a realtek card is something that works
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| 16:48 | <markit> same speed, probably the HD is the bottleneck
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| 16:48 | 3GB transferred, 1.5 on each ethX
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| 16:52 | alkisg: youtube works, I'm broadcasting it and works REALLY WELL, small size and gbit clients, but it's really good
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| 16:52 | as soon as you will upgrade epoptes packages, I will update the other school with 24 clients, most 100Mbs and let you know :)
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| 18:42 | <markit> hi Phantomas, as far as I've seen, WOL works only if you don't remove power from computers. In my school we have a general power switch so WOL will never work
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| 19:02 | <Phantomas> markit: It depends on your BIOS
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| 19:02 | Check if there is an option to Enable WoL
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| 19:02 | or anything relative
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| 19:04 | markit: btw, do you remember the motherboard of any of the clients that have this problem?
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| 19:12 | <markit> Phantomas: I've 18 clients that are the same hw, but I'm at home now
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| 19:12 | I've enables a item in the bios otherwise I would have no wol at all
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| 19:13 | Phantomas: btw, the applied multithread patch for broadcast seems to work fine
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| 19:13 | even if I've tested with gbit clients, not with 100mbs ones
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| 19:13 | I've to go to dinner now
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| 19:14 | see yout
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| 19:14 | yout
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| 19:14 | damn netbook and pad
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| 21:11 | <alkisg> vagrantc, knipwim, sbalneav, Enslaver, Hyperbyte: do you know when/how are we starting the hackathon tomorrow?
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| 21:11 | Was a google hangout mentioned?
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| 21:11 | Do we need to prepare a chroot with sbalneav's libpam_sshauth et c?
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| 21:12 | Also vagrantc you don't mind if we use python3 in ltsp6, right? Is that shipped by default on debian?
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| 21:29 | * vagrantc isn't likely to be available for much of the hackfest ... ugh | |
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