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| 08:50 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 10:06 | <dro> I'm setting up my first 2008r2 server, I ran dcpromo and everything went ok, but after a reboot I can't login!
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| 10:06 | says bad username/password
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| 10:13 | oops wrong room
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| 10:13 | LOL
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| 12:35 | <ehrenpr> anyone have an opinion, wether I should opt for a faster rocessor or for more cores. in my kiwi-ltsp server?
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| 12:36 | processor
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| 12:39 | <johnny> more ram
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| 12:39 | if you're not using all the ram you have that is..
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| 12:39 | otherwise.. more core
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| 12:41 | <ehrenpr> My ram isnt being affected as much, but my amd 2.0 athalon duals, are screaming. I am thinking about a quad 3.0.
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| 12:42 | is that to much!!
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| 12:58 | <pem725> can someone help me setup virtualbox for my thin clients? I want my thin clients to be able to boot Windows when necessary. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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| 12:59 | specifically, I have virtualbox installed but I am not sure how to get the kernel modules to load for the thin client kernels.
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| 13:07 | <alkisg> pem725: vbox clients or vbox server?
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| 13:09 | <johnny> you really don't wanna put vbox in the chroot
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| 13:10 | it's gonna be suck
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| 13:10 | <pem725> good question. I am not sure. The vbox client complains that the kernel driver is not loaded.
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| 13:10 | so I am not sure.
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| 13:10 | <johnny> if you wanna boot windows.. put a hard drive in there
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| 13:10 | <alkisg> pem725: I didn't understand what you want to do, can you elaborate?
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| 13:10 | <johnny> or.. use rdesktop to talk to windows server via remote desktop
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| 13:10 | <pem725> alkisg
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| 13:11 | ok, I have two thin clients that need to use windows but only on rare occasions
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| 13:11 | <johnny> why not install vbox on the server?
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| 13:11 | <pem725> so I wanted to allow them to startup a vbox instance.
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| 13:11 | I have vbox on the server and it runs well.
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| 13:11 | <johnny> so use that..
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| 13:11 | <pem725> can my thin clients access it?
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| 13:11 | how?
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| 13:11 | <johnny> same way?
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| 13:11 | <pem725> sorry for being so obtuse.
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| 13:11 | <alkisg> pem725: so you need rdesktop on the client, and windows vbox on the server, right?
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| 13:11 | <johnny> it should appear in their menu
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| 13:11 | <pem725> ah.
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| 13:12 | yes, it appears in their menu.
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| 13:12 | <johnny> first see if that is fast enough before trying anything else that might be difficult
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| 13:12 | <pem725> alkisg, yes, I think that sounds right.
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| 13:13 | I guess I have vbox setup as a user on the server.
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| 13:13 | <johnny> the open version of virtualbox doesn't support rdesktop service does it?
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| 13:13 | <alkisg> ok, you can do it as johnny said, and if the performance doesn't suit you, you can try to run a local rdesktop from the clients
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| 13:13 | <pem725> ok
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| 13:13 | <alkisg> I think it does
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| 13:14 | <pem725> I have vbox setup on the server but one user has an image setup in his directory.
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| 13:14 | <johnny> pem725, if you run vbox headless with rdesktop.. you can login somewhat more directly (but not really ) and tell your clients to rdesktop to it
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| 13:14 | altho you probably need the appropriate number of licenses for that..
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| 13:14 | <pem725> when I try to run it using that user's profile on the thin client, the vbox program tells me that the kernel module is not loaded.
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| 13:14 | <alkisg> Put the user in the vboxusers group
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| 13:14 | <pem725> licenses are not an issue.
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| 13:14 | ok
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| 13:15 | I will try those suggestions. Thanks for your quick responses.
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| 13:20 | <johnny> ah yes.. that is probably the key
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| 13:20 | putting the user in the group :)
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| 13:20 | hehe
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| 18:26 | <damo221> how do i read mouse events from the local thin client?
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| 18:26 | /dev/input is on the server right/
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| 18:26 | ?
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| 18:27 | <vagrantc> typically, yes.
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| 18:28 | you'll have to get them from the X Display somehow...
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| 18:28 | damo221: what are you trying to do?
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| 18:29 | <damo221> vagrantc: i want to write a script that reads mouse events and sends them to some sort of audio player so i can set up a transcription tool
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| 18:29 | but my machine is an ltsp client.. i got audio to work using pulseaudio
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| 18:30 | <vagrantc> damo221: you'll have to write code that reads it from the X display
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| 18:30 | <damo221> okay....
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| 18:31 | can i do it with bash? or i need something like python
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| 18:32 | i know that bash "read" can read mouse clicks
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| 18:32 | <vagrantc> it would probably be a bad idea to try in bash.
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| 18:33 | <damo221> can php do it? its the only other language i really know
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| 18:33 | lo
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| 18:33 | lol
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| 18:34 | <vagrantc> you just need a language with a decent interface to X
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| 18:34 | <damo221> ok
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| 18:37 | cant i just read some sort of device node
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| 18:37 | <damo221> and parse it
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| 18:38 | <vagrantc> damo221: for the third time, you need to use something that gets it from the X display.
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| 18:38 | <damo221> okay
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| 18:45 | <pmatulis> is setting up multiple ltsp images documented anywhere? i'm using ubuntu 9.04
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| 20:04 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: You were interested in cnetworkmanager?
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| 20:05 | vagrantc: check my ppa. I packaged it.
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| 20:05 | I also wrote a manpage for it.
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| 20:09 | <pmatulis> sbalneav: what is cnetworkmanager?
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| 20:11 | <sbalneav> command line interface to network manager
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| 20:11 | <sbalneav> you can control network manager without having to use one of the gui apps
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| 20:12 | sbalneav@phobos:~$ cnetworkmanager -s
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| 20:12 | Active | Name | Type
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| 20:12 | -------+-----------------+--------------- | Ifupdown (eth0) | 802-3-ethernet
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| 20:12 | * | Auto eth1 | 802-3-ethernet
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| 20:12 | So, if you run a low-end laptop, that's running, say, icewm, but you still want the convenience of NM for wireless
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| 20:13 | you can control it with cnetworkmanager
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| 20:14 | <pmatulis> sbalneav: sweet
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| 20:14 | sbalneav: has it been around for a while?
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| 20:15 | <sbalneav> Not too long
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| 20:15 | Anyway there wasn't a debian or ubuntu package for it, so I packaged it.
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| 20:17 | brb
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| 20:25 | <sl00> Hi. I have installed Fedora 12 and then installed the LTSP package. I have been following the guides but it seems the DHCP is not running or something? I have tried 'service dhcp start' but that fails. What is wrong?
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| 21:12 | <sl00> Now the thin client boots up and I get a login screen but when I try to login it just says "verifying.." for a while then the screen flicker with some console text (cannot read it) and then I am back at the login screen for another attempt. Why can I not login and where can I find logs for these failures?
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| 21:13 | <johnny> do you have sshd running?
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| 21:13 | do you have an account on the server?
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| 21:14 | <sl00> 'service sshd status' shows it is running and yes I have tried with two accounts that exist on the server.
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| 21:14 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: cool!
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| 21:17 | <johnny> try sshing to one of em..
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| 21:18 | the logs are on the chroot, so you could add SCREEN_02=shell
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| 21:18 | to your lts.conf and drop into to look at /var/log/ldm.log
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| 21:21 | <sl00> johnny: SSH to the thin client?
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| 21:24 | If I just type 'ssh 172.31.100.100' in a terminal at the server then it says 'connection refused'
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| 21:26 | <pmatulis> for multiple client images, after creating them and assigning a different NBD port to each in inetd.conf do i just need to create corresponding pxelinux.cfg files and configure DHCP appropriately?
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| 21:28 | <vagrantc> or configure pxelinux.cfg to have a menu to select which one to use
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| 21:31 | <pmatulis> vagrantc: that sounds good
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| 21:32 | <vagrantc> depends on if you'd prefer specific thin clients to use a different default, or the users choose
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| 21:32 | <pmatulis> vagrantc: right
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| 21:33 | <sbalneav> Back
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| 21:49 | <sl00> Hm... my /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf is empty on the server. Is that correct?
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| 21:49 | I just ran ltsp-build-client.
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| 21:50 | <vagrantc> normally, you only need lts.conf entries if the defaults don't work
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| 21:50 | and some distros now place it in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf now
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| 21:51 | <sl00> Okey.. I will check "/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf" then.
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| 21:52 | <johnny> it might be empty
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| 21:52 | or not there
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| 21:52 | in which case you need to be
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| 21:52 | need to put*
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| 21:52 | [default]
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| 21:53 | before
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| 21:53 | no.. ssh to a user to make sure it works
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| 21:53 | from another computer
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| 21:53 | as ldm just does ssh
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| 21:54 | <sl00> I added SCREEN_02=shell now under [default] in "/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf" but nothing happends when I press ALT+F2. SCREEN_01 is set to ldm.
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| 21:55 | johnny: I have no other computer right now. Running the server on a netbook (just to get this working) and the client is connected directly to its wired ethernet port.
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| 21:56 | <johnny> you have to reboot it
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| 21:57 | <sl00> Yes I did... but hm... now the login worked!!
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| 21:57 | <johnny> ah.. well good
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| 21:57 | there ya go
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| 21:57 | <sl00> So I guess it works now because I ran ltsp-build.client again... but I do not really understand why it works now and now before tho :(
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| 21:57 | <johnny> maybe you mistyped the password
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| 21:57 | or maybe you had changed the ip of your server
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| 21:58 | in which case you have to run ltsp-update-sshkeys, which is run after ltsp-build-client
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| 21:58 | but can be run manually if your ip changes
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| 21:58 | vagrantc, how come we can't detect that the server ip changed and print that in ldm?
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| 21:58 | and tell people to run ltsp-update-sshkeys on their server
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| 21:59 | <sl00> johnny: Hmm okey.
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| 21:59 | <vagrantc> johnny: how do you distinguish between a hostile server and one where the keys have changed?
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| 22:00 | <johnny> we can mention that either the server ip changed, or something bad happened
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| 22:00 | and say to notify the admin
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| 22:00 | i didn't suggest that we take the new key or anything
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| 22:00 | <vagrantc> at any rate, one of the breakages with the switch to NBD was that you have to rebuild the image every time you change ip addresses because of that
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| 22:00 | <johnny> only notify
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| 22:00 | since when? i've never had t do that on ubuntu?
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| 22:00 | <sl00> johnny: When and why do I have to run ltsp-build-client after this?
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| 22:00 | <johnny> you won't
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| 22:00 | <sl00> (if you know what I mean)
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| 22:00 | <johnny> just run ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 22:00 | next time
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| 22:00 | if your ip changes
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| 22:00 | server ip*
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| 22:01 | <vagrantc> johnny: how do you propegate the new keys to the NBD image?
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| 22:01 | <vagrantc> er, key/ip/hostname matching
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| 22:01 | <johnny> oh.. you're right.. :(
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| 22:01 | <sl00> johnny: Okey. So I should not need to run ltsp-build-client ever again?
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| 22:01 | <johnny> duh :(
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| 22:01 | <vagrantc> johnny: you probably don't change the server ip very often.
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| 22:01 | <johnny> you have to urn ltsp-update-image next time..
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| 22:01 | sl00, only if you rebuild the image..
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| 22:01 | afrer deleting the old one
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| 22:02 | if your server ip changes, just run ltsp-update-image then
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| 22:02 | unless fedoar doesn't use nbd.. i can't recall
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| 22:02 | i know gentoo doesn't
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| 22:02 | as we can't control our server kernels
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| 22:02 | <sl00> AFAIK it uses NFS right now.
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| 22:02 | <johnny> ah.. then just ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 22:03 | <sl00> Okey. I do not think the IP will ever change. What I wonder is what updates to the server requires me to update the image really?
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| 22:04 | <johnny> there is no image
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| 22:04 | if you use nfs
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| 22:04 | but if you did use nbd.. like ubuntu uses by default.. then you would
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| 22:05 | every change to the image (anything affecting client behaviour like ssh keys change, or local apps are installed) would require it then
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| 22:05 | <sl00> johnny: Okey. So if I install say OpenOffice on the server now the client will get it right away?
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| 22:05 | <johnny> yes
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| 22:05 | <sl00> Cool :)
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| 22:05 | <johnny> anyything on the server.. runs on the server..
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| 22:05 | so no client mods necessary..
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| 22:06 | <sl00> johnny: But if I were to run NBD I have to ltsp-update-image?
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| 22:06 | <johnny> yes..
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| 22:06 | <sl00> How much faster/better is NBD over NFS?
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| 22:07 | <johnny> fast enough
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| 22:07 | never benched.. but i could tell the difference
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| 22:07 | <sl00> So NBD is recommended then I guess.
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| 22:08 | <johnny> it is default on ubuntu..
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| 22:08 | not on fedora.. i'm not sure why
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| 22:08 | and definitely not on debian
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| 22:08 | and not on gentoo.. altho for other reasons..
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| 22:09 | /me runs to the store
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| 22:09 | brb
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| 22:09 | <sl00> Okey..thanks for the help.
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| 22:16 | Seems one of the reasons I could not login with one of the accounts was because the password contains the " character.
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| 22:16 | <vagrantc> if you installed openoffice on the server, you normally wouldn't have to run ltsp-update-image, unless you were using LOCAL_APPS or LTSP_FATCLIENT
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| 22:17 | <sl00> vagrantc: AH I see.
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| 22:18 | <vagrantc> nearly everything happens on the server in a traditional thin client environment: user creation/deletion/managemant, software installs/removals
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| 22:33 | <pmatulis> vagrantc: re multiple images, i now have separate chroots for TFTP (ltsp and ltsp2) but in the pxelinux.cfg/default i'm not sure how to specify the port to use (i have 2000 and 2001 in inetd.conf)
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| 22:34 | (each TFTP chroot has it's own default file)
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| 22:43 | <vagrantc> pmatulis: nbdroot=ip.address.of.server:port
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| 22:44 | maybe nbdport too
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| 22:44 | <pmatulis> this is in the default file?
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| 22:45 | <vagrantc> yeah
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| 22:47 | <sl00> vagrantc: Is it possible to get the fedora login screen, the one I get if I login locally on the server, instead of this k12linux one (ldm)?
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| 22:48 | <johnny> sl00, it's an ldm theme
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| 22:48 | we can't use gdm themes..
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| 22:48 | sl00, try searching the internet to see if somebody has created another ldm theme
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| 22:48 | we don't actually have an ldm theme repository...
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| 22:48 | <vagrantc> and i hear recent versions of gdm have dropped support for logging in over the network...
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| 22:48 | <sl00> Okey.
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| 22:49 | <johnny> vagrantc, that has little to do with using their themes :)
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| 22:49 | <vagrantc> johnny: well, it would be trivial to use GDM's theme if you were logging in via XDMCP using GDM
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| 22:49 | <johnny> sl00, or you would work out how to modify that one
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| 22:49 | vagrantc, sure.. but we don't really recommend that anyways..
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| 22:50 | <sl00> johnny: Will do!
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| 22:51 | Found /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/themes so far... I will play around alittle.
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| 22:52 | <johnny> sl00, there are docs for .gtkrc
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| 22:52 | all over the internet i bet.. so you should be able to figure out.. it's not quite css.. but it does about the same thing..
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| 22:52 | <sl00> Okey
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