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Channel log from 18 October 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:24 | <jimjimovich> morning everyone
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| 01:24 | <muppis> Morning.
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| 01:24 | <jimjimovich> what packages do i need to remove to disable screensavers? and is it still possible to have the screen go blank and lock even without the screensaver program?
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| 01:25 | for ubuntu
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| 01:25 | <alkisg> Good morning
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| 01:26 | Screensavers are disabled by default for ubuntu ltsp clients
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| 01:26 | Only the blank screensaver works
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| 01:27 | <jimjimovich> oh, since i saw all the options there, i thought i could change it :)
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| 01:30 | now users will just call me and tell me "the screensaver doesn't work" ;)
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| 01:54 | <johnny> jimjimovich, edit the default menu .. remove it
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| 01:54 | <jimjimovich> johnny: thanks. i guess i need to remove a lot of stuff
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| 01:55 | <johnny> and there's also sabayon
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| 01:55 | you can use that too
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| 02:00 | <jimjimovich> oh cool, sabayon looks like what I need
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| 02:33 | <gnunux> hi
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| 05:25 | <jimjimovich> anyone have any tips or methods for making a network share (probably smb) that is accessible on Windows machines in the network but that also allows all LTSP users access? I have a samba share that I want to mount, but I get funny permissions when making new documents on the share
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| 05:35 | <muppis> jimjimovich, adjust permissions from smb.conf
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| 05:36 | <jimjimovich> actually, the samba share is not on the ltsp server, it's on another. i think my problem acutually has to do with the gnome umask settings on the ltsp server. still messing around with it
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| 05:42 | no, i guess that wasn't it
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| 05:43 | i want the group for the mounted samba share to have rw access when a new file is created, and I just can't get it to work
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| 06:17 | <cyberorg> jimjimovich, look up create mask, directory mask and force group in man smb.conf, not related to ltsp in anyway though
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| 06:19 | <jimjimovich> cyberorg: looked into those, they work on the server only and don't effect the permissions on the mounted drive on the ltsp server
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| 06:19 | i realize that it has nothing to do with ltsp, I just thought someone might have come across the need for such a share
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| 06:45 | <moldy> jimjimovich: should be easy with samba
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| 06:46 | <jimjimovich> i figured out that i needed to add "nounix" to the fstab options
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| 06:46 | <moldy> jimjimovich: look at samba's "create mask" and "directory mask" configuration options
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| 06:47 | <jimjimovich> moldy: I had those set, but they didn't work until i added "nounix"
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| 06:47 | <moldy> jimjimovich: hm, that is weird. works perfectly fine in my experience.
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| 06:47 | <jimjimovich> i searched google for hours and finally found the answer!
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| 06:50 | <moldy> is that "nounix" thing undocumented? can't find it in any man page
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| 07:26 | <Hyperbyte> Is it normal behaviour that LTSP mounts /home/<user>/ on the thin client as sshfs with user_id=0 and group_id=0 (nobody)?
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| 07:33 | <muppis> Hyperbyte, I think no.
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| 07:36 | <Hyperbyte> Well, that's what LTSP is doing for me. I'm running LTSP 5.1.95-1 on Fedora 13... on the thin client, the /home/<user>/ directory has "nobody.nobody" permissions. When I look at the mount options, user_id=0 and group_id=0 are specified in there
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| 07:36 | The local thin client user -can- however access the filesystem without problems and write on it (?), still some problems complain about the ownership.
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| 07:36 | *problems -> programs
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| 07:37 | <muppis> Looked from logs for possible reason?
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| 07:41 | <Hyperbyte> Well, in the client logs I see nothing out of the ordinary
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| 07:41 | On the server there are two errors in /var/log/messages
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| 07:41 | http://secondary.recreatie-zorg.nl/jan/ltsp-errors.txt
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| 07:42 | I have no idea what that means though.
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| 07:52 | <mgariepy> which version of ltsp are you using ?
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| 07:52 | <Hyperbyte> 5.1.95-1 (Fedora 13, x86_64)
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| 07:57 | <mgariepy> can you copy somewhere the output of : ps aux | grep ssh
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| 07:57 | on the thin client
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| 08:01 | <Hyperbyte> http://secondary.recreatie-zorg.nl/jan/ltsp-ssh-processes.txt
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| 08:01 | Little side info: 192.168.100.1 is our network/file server, 192.168.100.2 is the terminal server
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| 08:02 | The /home/ directory on the terminal server is mounted via NFS from the file server
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| 08:04 | <muppis> Using NFSv3 or MFSv4 ?
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| 08:06 | <Hyperbyte> I think it is using NFSv4
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| 08:06 | I'm not entirely sure actually.
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| 08:07 | <muppis> You see it with mount
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| 08:08 | There is NFSv4 mentioned if it used.
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| 08:08 | <Hyperbyte> Are you talking about the /home/ mount on the terminal server, or the /home/<user>/ mount on the terminal client?
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| 08:08 | <muppis> /home/ mount on server
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| 08:09 | But I need to go.
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| 08:09 | <Hyperbyte> Ah.
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| 08:09 | It's using version 4.
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| 08:10 | Can I catch you later or perhaps tomorrow? :)
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| 08:24 | <mgariepy> seems quite normal from here
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| 08:27 | <Hyperbyte> Problem is that some programs complain that the home directory doesn't have the right ownership
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| 08:27 | While they can access it, they don't like the nobody.nobody ownership
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| 08:30 | <mgariepy> can this be a uid problem on your setup ?
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| 08:30 | what's the uid of the jan user?
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| 08:31 | <Hyperbyte> 500
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| 08:31 | Both on the fileserver, terminal server and thin client
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| 08:36 | <Hyperbyte> What confuses me, looking at the mount options on the thin client
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| 08:36 | http://secondary.recreatie-zorg.nl/jan/ltsp-mount-client.txt
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| 08:37 | It specifically says user_id=0 and group_id=0... or is that something else?
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| 08:38 | <mgariepy> it's indeed kinda weird
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| 09:05 | <mgariepy> any of you guys using chrome as a localapps browser ?
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| 09:21 | <highvoltage> I saw it used like that just this morning
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| 09:30 | <alkisg> mgariepy: on fat clients, I don't think it makes much of a difference...
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| 09:31 | <mgariepy> do you have a easy way to set preferences and lock them in a system configuration?
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| 09:36 | <alkisg> No, only for firefox...
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| 09:36 | <pmatulis> when using FF as a local app, currently (lucid) associated appliacations (ex: pdf viewer) must be available in the client chroot. is it feasible (feature request) to not have this requirement (i.e. server-based)?
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| 09:36 | <alkisg> associate .pdf with ltsp-remoteapps evince
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| 09:37 | And enable remote apps on lts.conf...
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| 09:37 | <pmatulis> alkisg: interesting
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| 09:38 | <alkisg> You can set system-wide associations in /usr/share/mime/packages/package.xml and / or in /etc/mailcap - etc/mime.types
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| 09:38 | <pmatulis> alkisg: lts.conf syntax for remote apps? assuming more undocumented stuff
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| 09:38 | <alkisg> REMOTE_APPS=True
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| 09:39 | <pmatulis> alkisg: nice
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| 09:45 | alkisg: is there anything i should be afraid of in ltsp-client-core?
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| 09:45 | alkisg: noticed i need this for ltsp-remoteapps
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| 09:45 | <alkisg> pmatulis: erm, don't install that on the server
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| 09:45 | It's preinstalled on the chroot
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| 09:46 | ltsp-remoteapps is a chroot command
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| 09:46 | <pmatulis> alkisg: k, i don't have it
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| 09:46 | <alkisg> distro/version?
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| 09:46 | <pmatulis> alkisg: in my chroot
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| 09:46 | alkisg: lucid but i started with a minimal system
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| 09:47 | <alkisg> Hmmm it doesn't make sense, you have a working ltsp chroot that doesn't have ltsp-client-core?
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| 09:47 | <pmatulis> alkisg: right now i just know that i don't have the command ltsp-remoteapps under /usr/bin on the client
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| 09:48 | alkisg: wait
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| 09:48 | alkisg: disregard :)
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| 09:48 | <alkisg> :)
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| 09:48 | * alkisg bets that was on the server :) | |
| 09:48 | * pmatulis whistles innocently | |
| 09:48 | <alkisg> Try: ltsp-localapps xterm
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| 09:49 | And in the xterm that will open: ltsp-remoteapps gnome-terminal
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| 09:49 | If it works, it'll open a gnome-terminal inside the normal user session which runs on the server (but is displayed on the client)
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| 09:49 | <pmatulis> alkisg: yeah, got that
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| 09:49 | <alkisg> (client reboot is required after setting LTSP_REMOTEAPPS on lts.conf)
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| 09:51 | I think the best way would be to associate all common extensions with a special script, "ltsp-open-locally-if-program-is-available-otherwise-call-ltsp-remoteapps"
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| 10:00 | <mgariepy> alkisg, pmatulis ltsp-remoteapps soffice "file" doesn't work in ff.
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| 10:00 | works in chrome tho.
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| 10:01 | <pmatulis> what is the command again for viewing the LTSP client variables/environment?
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| 10:02 | <alkisg> mgariepy: I've recently had to deal with prism, which is gecko-based like ff. Prism needed the association in /etc/mime.types, but I think firefox also reads /usr/share/mime/packages/package.xml, if update-mime-database is called of course
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| 10:02 | getltscfg -a
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| 10:02 | <pmatulis> alkisg: cheers
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| 10:02 | <mgariepy> both chromium and ff uses /etc/mailcap which is set via /usr/lib/mime/packages/
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| 10:03 | abd running update-mime
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| 10:04 | what have you done with prisms ?
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| 10:05 | <alkisg> Packaged some flash-based edu apps with it, and I needed it to be able to open some custom file extensions like .mwd
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| 10:05 | Kids need shopping, bbl, ciao all :)
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| 10:08 | <pmatulis> alexqwesa: the remote apps thing doesn't work for me :( "application you chose ("/usr/bin/ltsp-remoteapps evince") could not be found
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| 10:08 | oops
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| 10:08 | mgariepy: any idea? ^^^
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| 10:10 | <mgariepy> you are running this on the client ?
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| 10:10 | <pmatulis> mgariepy: FF, yes
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| 10:10 | <mgariepy> because this script is in ltsp-client-core package
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| 10:11 | <pmatulis> mgariepy: and i'm telling FF to use that command (for viewing PDF)
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| 10:12 | <mgariepy> did running ltsp-remoteapps gnome-terminal in a xterm works ?
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| 10:13 | i haven't tested remoteapps on lucid but it was broken on maverick.
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| 10:14 | <pmatulis> mgariepy: yes, and i'm trying to run the remoteapps command directly
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| 10:14 | mgariepy: i have to become root btw
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| 10:14 | <mgariepy> ok, on the server, you run " ltsp-localapps xterm"
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| 10:14 | <pmatulis> mgariepy: but even so, it says "cannot stat evince", well obviously
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| 10:15 | <mgariepy> then the xterm launch, "ltsp-remoteapps gnome-terminal" from the xterm
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| 10:15 | do you have ltsp-remoteappsd running on you client ?
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| 10:15 | <pmatulis> mgariepy: yes
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| 10:16 | mgariepy: this is lucid
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| 10:16 | <mgariepy> and running "ltsp-remoteapps gnome-terminal " as the user start a new gnome-terminal ?
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| 10:18 | <pmatulis> mgariepy: it automatically thinks i'm requesting root privileges
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| 10:18 | mgariepy: "[sudo] password for username":
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| 10:19 | <mgariepy> hmm it's weird, it's not supposed to do that.
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| 10:19 | <pmatulis> mgariepy: but if i become root and issue command i get: 'cannot stat gnome-terminal'
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| 10:19 | (it's still looking on the client)
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| 10:19 | <mgariepy> what version of ltsp do you have installed ?
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| 10:20 | <pmatulis> mgariepy: 5.1.90
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| 10:21 | <EarlessPierre> Has anyone here managed to get KDM on their login screen instead of LDM? LDM seems to have a problem with csh and tcsh
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| 10:21 | <pmatulis> mgariepy: ah sorry, i'm running ubuntu 9.10
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| 10:21 | <EarlessPierre> Users that use those can't log on
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| 10:25 | <atkuepker> braver man than I if you're handling login scripting and whatnot with csh.
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| 10:26 | <mgariepy> pmatulis, i haven't tested this on karmic either.
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| 10:26 | pmatulis, currently i'm kinda use it on maverick with a package from stgraber's ppa.
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| 10:26 | it's kinda far from the karmic one.
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| 10:28 | <EarlessPierre> I didn't change how login scripting is handled. Users whose default shell is csh can't log in under LDM. It seems to be a known bug that they never got around to fixing.
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| 10:30 | <pmatulis> mgariepy: ok, so it *might* work on lucid, but broken for sure on karmic and maverick
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| 10:31 | <mgariepy> not sure it works correctly on lucid.
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| 10:31 | and firefox doesn't use /etc/mailcap correcly either
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| 10:33 | it's not quite easy to implement the open with in firefox.
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| 10:33 | <pmatulis> mgariepy: the open?
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| 10:33 | mgariepy: ah ok
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| 10:34 | <mgariepy> when you click on a pdf file it ask you if you want to open it or save it.
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| 10:34 | :)
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| 11:02 | <alkisg> !localxterm
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| 11:02 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: "localxterm" :: while sitting on a thin client, open a gnome terminal. In that, run: ltsp-localapps xterm. An xterm will open. That xterm runs locally, so any commands you enter there are executed directly on the client.
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| 11:02 | <alkisg> pmatulis: open a localxterm, and then run `ltsp-remoteapps gnome-terminal` from within it. Does it work?
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| 11:03 | <pmatulis> alkisg: no
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| 11:03 | <alkisg> Did you put REMOTE_APPS=True in lts.conf?
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| 11:03 | <pmatulis> alkisg: yes
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| 11:03 | <alkisg> Then something might be broken on Karmic, leave it for when you upgrade to Lucid :)
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| 11:04 | <pmatulis> alkisg: that was my conclusion too
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| 11:04 | alkisg: it automatically thinks i'm requesting root privileges
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| 11:04 | alkisg: "[sudo] password for username":
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| 11:04 | <alkisg> Erm, are you sure you did that right?
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| 11:04 | <pmatulis> alkisg: and even if i'm root it tries to look for the program (evince or gnome-terminal) locally
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| 11:05 | alkisg: "cannot stat"
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| 11:05 | <alkisg> pmatulis: I think you're doing something wrong...
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| 11:05 | Wanna vnc to test?
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| 11:05 | <pmatulis> alkisg: not really :)
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| 11:05 | <alkisg> ok
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| 11:05 | Does the xterm say "user@ltsp15" on its title?
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| 11:05 | <pmatulis> alkisg: not sure what i could be doing wrong
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| 11:05 | <alkisg> If not, it isn't a local xterm...
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| 11:06 | ltsp-remoteapps calls xprop, so it shouldn't have anything to do with sudo privileges
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| 11:06 | <pmatulis> alkisg: yes
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| 11:06 | <alkisg> Can you pastebin your version of ltsp-remoteapps?
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| 11:07 | The main command is, xprop -root -f LTSP_RCOMMAND 8s -set LTSP_RCOMMAND "$CMD $ARGS"
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| 11:07 | So even without ltsp-remoteapps, you could try: xprop -root -f LTSP_RCOMMAND 8s -set LTSP_RCOMMAND "gnome-calculator"
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| 11:08 | That shouldn't cause a "sudo" prompt in any case
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| 11:09 | <pmatulis> alkisg: where do you get this stuff?!
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| 11:09 | <alkisg> In the source code :)
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| 11:09 | <pmatulis> alkisg: nice
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| 11:09 | <alkisg> Did it open a gnome-calculator?
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| 11:10 | <pmatulis> alkisg: trying now
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| 11:11 | alkisg: no response at all
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| 11:11 | <alkisg> That's better than the sudo prompt :D
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| 11:11 | <pmatulis> alkisg: yeah
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| 11:11 | <alkisg> ...but I'm still wondering what you might be doing wrong so you're getting that prompt
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| 11:12 | (07:07:12 PM) alkisg: Can you pastebin your version of ltsp-remoteapps?
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| 11:12 | (it's a shell file)
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| 11:14 | <pmatulis> alkisg: http://pastebin.ca/1965901
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| 11:14 | <alkisg> Ah, ok then, seems broken :D
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| 11:15 | You can safely postpone it till Lucid :D
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| 11:15 | <pmatulis> alkisg: you were assuming i was guilty all this time!
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| 11:15 | <alkisg> ...till proven innocent :P
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| 11:15 | <pmatulis> alkisg: er
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| 11:15 | <alkisg> Ah, it's the other way around, isn't it? :D
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| 11:16 | Heh
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| 11:16 | <pmatulis> alkisg: i thought bush was out of power
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| 11:16 | <alkisg> " You need that in /etc/sudoers: ALL ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:NOEXEC:/usr/bin/ltsp-remoteapp"
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| 11:16 | So if you want ltsp-remoteapps to work in Karmic, you'd have to start hacking at your chroot
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| 11:16 | <pmatulis> alkisg: damn!
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| 11:16 | <alkisg> ...the current implementation is much easier
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| 11:17 | <pmatulis> alkisg: mgariepy was saying it's broken in Ubuntu 10.10
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| 11:17 | <alkisg> I don't know, it works for me in Lucid though
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| 11:17 | <pmatulis> alkisg: that is good to hear
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| 11:18 | * alkisg will be sticking to LTS => LTS upgrade paths from now on... | |
| 11:21 | <alkisg> Btw, for anyone regularly doing remote support, here's a handy way to share a console between you and a remote pc, even if it is behind nat: http://www.torriefamily.org/~torriem/wiki/computer_stuff:shareterm
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| 11:21 | * alkisg uses part of that to get remote terminals from ltsp clients... | |
| 11:24 | <pmatulis> alkisg: interesting - thanks for that
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| 11:24 | <alkisg> !xauthority
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| 11:25 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: "xauthority" :: to access the client X session from a local root shell, try: eval $(tr '\0' '\n' < /proc/$(pidof -s ldm gdm-simple-greeter gnome-session | cut -d' ' -f1)/environ | egrep '^DISPLAY=|^XAUTHORITY=') && export DISPLAY XAUTHORITY
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| 11:25 | <pmatulis> alkisg: no, you're definitely not a geek
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| 11:25 | <alkisg> :P
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| 11:25 | <pmatulis> :)
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| 11:26 | <alkisg> I wasted 17 years programming Windows... :(
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| 11:26 | <pmatulis> now you're making up that time?
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| 11:26 | like someone in prison?
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| 11:27 | <alkisg> Something like that - though unfortunately I'll have to pause any linux activities for the next 2 years..
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| 11:27 | <pmatulis> alkisg: you mentioned kids earlier
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| 11:28 | <alkisg> (trying to do a phd, kinda late though... :()
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| 11:28 | <pmatulis> alkisg: so not php, wow
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| 11:28 | <alkisg> Nah, php isn't for me
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| 11:28 | I prefer python :D
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| 11:28 | <pmatulis> ok
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| 11:44 | <EarlessPierre> So is there a way to have a KDM greeter instead of an LDM greeter?
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| 11:57 | <pmatulis> EarlessPierre: i don't think so. LDM is integrated into how LTSP works these days
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| 11:57 | EarlessPierre: LDM actually runs on the client
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| 11:59 | <EarlessPierre> oh, that sucks
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| 11:59 | Is there any way to get it to accept users that use csh and tcsh then?
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| 11:59 | <ogra_ac> no
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| 11:59 | there is a debian bug with a workaround but that breaks it for all other users iirc
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| 12:00 | <EarlessPierre> oh
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| 12:00 | <ogra_ac> wait for vagrantc to return, he might remember the bug #
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| 12:00 | <EarlessPierre> ok
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| 12:00 | <ogra_ac> and you can use KDM through xdmcp but you will lose all functionallity
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| 12:01 | everything is deeply integrated with LDM in LTSP
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| 12:11 | <mgariepy> alkisg, i would like to hear what you did with mime type and prism if you have a few minutes
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| 12:12 | <alkisg> Sure, let me paste the /debian directory...
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| 12:13 | <mgariepy> you did integration with remoteapps prism applications ?
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| 12:15 | <alkisg> No, I don't use localapps
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| 12:15 | Just told prism to correctly open some extensions
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| 12:16 | <mgariepy> local or remote, i
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| 12:16 | i'm a bit confuse now :D
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| 12:16 | <alkisg> Locally
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| 12:16 | <mgariepy> ok
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| 12:16 | <alkisg> But the extension handling should be the same
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| 12:16 | Here are the related files: http://pastebin.ca/1965968
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| 12:18 | <mgariepy> so you register the applications so when you get a file of this type in firefox it open in this application
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| 12:19 | <alkisg> Right, firefox uses sharedmimeinfo while prism /etc/mime.types
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| 12:19 | For those that use localapps, it would be handy to build a package that associates all common extensions to a single common launcher, which checks to see if the app is available locally, and if not, then calls ltsp-remoteapps
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| 12:20 | <mgariepy> firefox uses /etc/mailcap (debian/mime update this i guess)
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| 12:20 | <alkisg> No, it uses sharedmimeinfo first
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| 12:20 | /etc/mailcap doesn't support internationalized descriptions
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| 12:20 | Firefox gives i18n descriptions for the "open with" dialog
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| 12:21 | <mgariepy> mailcap is used to launch the applications for the file
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| 12:21 | <alkisg> OK, I haven't checked that
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| 12:22 | <mgariepy> sharedmimeinfo is used to register mimetype on the system
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| 12:22 | :)
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| 12:22 | <alkisg> About the "ltsp-remoteapps evince %1", there was a bug in ltsp-remoteapps with multiple parameters, maybe that causes the problem you see
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| 12:22 | Both mime and sharedmimeinfo are used, they go to different places
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| 12:22 | <mgariepy> yeah and they do different things :)
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| 12:23 | <alkisg> Unfortunately prism doesn't read the sharedmimeinfo association at all
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| 12:23 | Why do you say that they do different things?
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| 12:24 | <mgariepy> mime register applications in /etc/mailcap so the system knows how to manage some files. and sharedmimeinfo register the filetype in the system so it know what filetype it is
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| 12:26 | <alkisg> Aren't the mimetypes also registered in the package's .desktop files, according to xdg specs?
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| 12:26 | E.g. mine has MimeType=application/x-glossa;
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| 12:27 | I wasn't even using /etc/mailcap until I discovered that prism "bug"....
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| 12:27 | I thought /etc/mailcap was the "old" way to do things, and it was replaced with sharedmimeinfo / desktop files etc...
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| 12:27 | (I haven't read anything about it, I just saw that only a few apps register mime types this way...)
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| 12:28 | <mgariepy> example for a doc document, if you add a line like :http://pastebin.com/b3BaVZPb
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| 12:28 | in /etc/mailcap
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| 12:28 | when clicking on a doc file in firefox, it's gonna show you open with "ltsp-remoteapps..."
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| 12:29 | <alkisg> Sure, I use that too, I'm just saying that I thought that was the "old way" of doing file associations
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| 12:29 | ...the new way being the xdg specs
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| 12:29 | <mgariepy> firefox and chrome uses /etc/mailcap
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| 12:30 | <alkisg> When I didn't put my file association in /etc/mailcap, firefox was still correctly opening my files
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| 12:30 | <mgariepy> your package did ? or i'm confused
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| 12:30 | <alkisg> I have some .glo files
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| 12:31 | That I want them opened with a "glossa" app
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| 12:31 | <mgariepy> grep glossa /etc/mailcap*
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| 12:31 | <alkisg> no
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| 12:31 | Nothing there in the old version
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| 12:31 | I created a debian/sharedmimeinfo and a glossa.desktop file
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| 12:31 | That was all
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| 12:31 | debian/sharedmimeinfo does NOT go to /etc/mailcap
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| 12:31 | /debian/mime goes to /etc/mailcap
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| 12:31 | <mgariepy> yeah
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| 12:32 | <alkisg> I didn't have such a file, and firefox still opened them correctly
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| 12:32 | <alkisg> So I think that firefox reads the xdg database for file associations (what's its name) first, and if that fails, THEN it goes on to read /etc/mailcap
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| 12:32 | As a fallback for the older method
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| 12:32 | <mgariepy> on your client, you don't have references in /etc/mailcap /etc/mailcap.order
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| 12:33 | <alkisg> So what I'm saying is that there are 2 ways to declare file associations
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| 12:33 | <mgariepy> i tried to import the sharedmimeinfo of openoffice and overrride the to launch remote on my client
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| 12:33 | and it wasn't working
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| 12:33 | <alkisg> Firefox uses both of them, prism only the older one
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| 12:34 | You need a .desktop file too, to provide the command for that mime type
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| 12:34 | So it's a combination: sharemimeinfo + .desktop, OR/AND mailcap + mime.types
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| 12:34 | <mgariepy> the test i did with sharedmimeinfo is : scp mgariepy@appsrv:/usr/share/mime/packages/openoffice* .
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| 12:35 | update-mime-database /sr/share/mime
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| 12:35 | <alkisg> I think that's not enough, you need a .desktop file too
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| 12:35 | <mgariepy> copy all openoffice desktop on the thin client
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| 12:35 | and sed to launch ltsp-remoteapps instead of soffice.
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| 12:36 | <alkisg> And update-mime-database afterwards, to read the associations?
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| 12:36 | <mgariepy> but i wasn't opening files
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| 12:36 | yeah
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| 12:36 | <tomak> Hi All
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| 12:37 | <alkisg> OK let's take it from the start. So, you're saying that you didn't manage to get file associations working with a localapps firefox?
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| 12:37 | <mgariepy> i did, but when i update the /etc/mailcap
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| 12:37 | <tomak> Guys, did you test what is te max number of connected clients to ltsp server ?
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| 12:38 | <mgariepy> tomak, depends of you resources available ;)
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| 12:38 | depends of your available ressources. sorry, i'm fr-ca
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| 12:38 | hehe
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| 12:39 | <tomak> lets say that I have 2GB of RAM and Intel Quad processor with 1Gb/s NIC card. what is yours forecast
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| 12:39 | is it enough for the 10 users ?
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| 12:40 | have you got any experience ?
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| 12:40 | <mgariepy> depend on the usage but i would say no
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| 12:40 | <elias_a> tomak: What kind of usage?
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| 12:40 | <tomak> usage: web browsing/email, text editing (OpenOffice)
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| 12:40 | * alkisg is dazzled with vdpau... from 100% cpu + dropped frames, down to 20% cpu without dropped frames! | |
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| 12:41 | <elias_a> alkisg: Tell me instantly what vdpau is all about or I kiss you! :D
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| 12:42 | <alkisg> elias_a: hd video playback - sorry not directly related to ltsp, I just happened to try it just now
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| 12:42 | It offloads some decoding to the gpu
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| 12:42 | <elias_a> tomak: OpenOffice is a hard one as it consumes a lot of memory.
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| 12:42 | alkisg: Any gpu OK?
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| 12:43 | <alkisg> No, only a few ones are currently supported
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| 12:43 | nvidia, intel, ati something like that
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| 12:43 | <tomak> are all the programs/processes (e.g. Open Office) reside in Server's memory ?
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| 12:43 | <alkisg> tomak: I'd say that should suffice for 10-20 clients depending on the usage. E.g. with 5 of them watching fullscreen youtube video, your server+network would block
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| 12:44 | But non-flash web pages + openoffice, I think it could handle 20 users
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| 12:45 | <tomak> alkisg: so what is the crucias resource in this case ? If I increase server's memory up to 4GB will it help ?
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| 12:45 | <alkisg> For full screen flash, both cpu + network
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| 12:45 | <tomak> alkisg: *crucial
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| 12:45 | <alkisg> !flash
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| 12:45 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: "flash" :: Yes, flash sucks. Make sure you have LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file, or if it's just youtube you're after, try some flash replacing plugin like https://addons.mozilla.org/el/firefox/addon/161869/ (per user installation, gecko-mediaplayer is also needed).
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| 12:47 | <mgariepy> alkisg, i scp /usr/share/mime/packages/openoffice.xml, scp /usr/share/applications/openoffice*, sed 's/ooffice/ltsp-remoteapps ooffice/g' openoffice* and then update-mime-database /usr/share/mime/
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| 12:47 | <mgariepy> when i download a doc file it say that it's a msword document.
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| 12:48 | <mgariepy> but doesn't suggest me any application to open the file.
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| 12:49 | <alkisg> mgariepy: when I did that with my own extension, it did suggest me to open the file
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| 12:49 | <mgariepy> is your package freely avalaible ?
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| 12:49 | <alkisg> Maybe firefox is reading /etc/mailcap *first* and it sees that Ooo isn't there
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| 12:49 | ..and since I didn't have any associations in /etc/mailcap, then it went on to read the mime database
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| 12:49 | So maybe the order is the opposite
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| 12:50 | Let me see if I can find the old version, because in the new one I also write to /etc/mailcap...
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| 12:50 | <mgariepy> maybe debian package do some magic
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| 12:50 | nice thanks
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| 12:51 | <alkisg> Maybe. I have the old .deb on my disk if you want it, but it depends on wine :)
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| 12:51 | <mgariepy> no problem
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| 12:51 | i just want to understand those d*** mime-tpes correctly so i can fix the local/remote apps issue correctly
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| 12:52 | <alkisg> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alkisg/tmp/glossa_0.9.4.0-1_i386.deb
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| 12:53 | Create a text file with .glo extension and open it from firefox, localapp or otherwise
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| 12:54 | <mgariepy> i just hope my thin client wont run out of memory :)
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| 12:55 | <alkisg> I think the safest thing to do regarding local/remoteapps is to use *both* ways to associate extensions, though, i.e. both /etc/mailcap+mime.types and sharedmimeinfo+.desktop files.
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| 12:57 | <tomak> so guys, what would be your solution for network with 50 users, using as I stated before web browser + open office + 25 of them youtube ?
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| 12:57 | <mgariepy> do you need special content ?
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| 12:57 | <tomak> I know that there is not accurate answer
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| 12:57 | bur any idea
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| 12:57 | ?
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| 12:57 | <alkisg> tomak: client specs? cpu/ram?
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| 13:00 | <tomak> client: cpu 1.6 GHz Intel Atom, 1GB RAM, 100 Mb/s NIC card, GPU, Intel
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| 13:00 | <ogra_ac> Gadi, !
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| 13:01 | <Gadi> ogra_ac! ac, huh? is it hot where you are? har har
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| 13:01 | <ogra_ac> heh, no, exactly the opposite
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| 13:01 | Gadi, all booked for BTS ?
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| 13:02 | <mgariepy> alkisg, my test.glo file still a ascii file
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| 13:02 | * ogra_ac points to pandaboard.org ... on sale since today ! | |
| 13:04 | <Gadi> ogra_ac: getting there
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| 13:05 | <alkisg> mgariepy: ah it's a subtype of plain/text that's why it opens in the browser, what's the shortcut for it not to open in a browser? Shift + click?
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| 13:05 | <Gadi> I was all set to do the 8-hour drive - then, yesterday I notice deals from NY to Portland
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| 13:05 | of course, then I need to get to SW Harbor from Portland
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| 13:05 | :P
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| 13:05 | <ogra_ac> which is also a days ride
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| 13:05 | i did that last year
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| 13:06 | <Gadi> yeah
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| 13:06 | <alkisg> mgariepy: or try a non-text file with .glo extension, not sure how I verified that it worked at that time
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| 13:06 | * ogra_ac always finds it hard to cope with these slow american streets | |
| 13:06 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 13:06 | <alkisg> Heh
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| 13:06 | <Gadi> yeah, you can drive *like* it is the autobahn
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| 13:06 | :)
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| 13:06 | <ogra_ac> heh
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| 13:07 | <mgariepy> it justs want to save it now.
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| 13:08 | <robehend1> Was wondering if anyone could help me with an Ubuntu LTSP server, mostly involving Likewise-Open and lib-pam mount
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| 13:09 | <ogra_ac> Gadi, so what aboout symbiant building some pandaboard based clients ?
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| 13:09 | <Gadi> Symbio (*cough*) has to wait until the CTO has his fill of beer and sees what ogra has to show off
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| 13:09 | <ogra_ac> it smarts out every ATOM easily
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| 13:09 | <Gadi> :)
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| 13:10 | it doesn't smart out, it outsmarts
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| 13:10 | :)
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| 13:10 | tho, maybe ARM is littel-endian
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| 13:10 | <ogra_ac> (dual core 1GHz, 1GB RAM ... about 10% of the power consumption of an intel)
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| 13:10 | <Gadi> har har
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| 13:10 | <ogra_ac> *grin*
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| 13:10 | <Gadi> you bringing one to BTS?
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| 13:11 | <ogra_ac> i can, yes
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| 13:11 | <Gadi> then, I shall bring the beer
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| 13:11 | :D
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| 13:11 | <ogra_ac> i also registered a spec for adding full LTSP support for it in natty
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| 13:11 | beer and bamboo !
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| 13:11 | <alkisg> mgariepy: I just tried removing .glo from /etc/mailcap and it still correctly shows the dialog
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| 13:12 | <ogra_ac> and it looks like i can do it on worktime ;)
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| 13:12 | <Gadi> wow! ogra's back?
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| 13:12 | <mgariepy> there must be something else then.
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| 13:12 | <ogra_ac> well, only for adding arm support :) but at least that
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| 13:12 | * mgariepy starting to hate some aspect of firefox | |
| 13:13 | <alkisg> mgariepy: try with file:///some-directory-containing-a-glo-file
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| 13:13 | <Gadi> ogra_ac: and if adding arm support should require fixing any and all of LTSP's non-existant short-comings...
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| 13:13 | <alkisg> Oooh and dbus integration!
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| 13:13 | :D
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| 13:14 | * ogra_ac giggles evlish | |
| 13:14 | <mgariepy> file:///home/mgariepy/
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| 13:14 | <ogra_ac> what ?!?
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| 13:14 | you still didnt fix dbus integration ?!?
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| 13:14 | <mgariepy> did you restarted ff ?
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| 13:14 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 13:14 | (and yup to the other question too ;))
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| 13:15 | We're waiting for porsche intergration
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| 13:15 | <ogra_ac> i have some spare ones ...
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| 13:15 | just come by and pick them up and you can integrate them
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| 13:15 | <alkisg> So, what's the max speed you managed to go in an autobahn?
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| 13:16 | <ogra_ac> 280km/h with my new one
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| 13:16 | <alkisg> Ooooh flying low...
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| 13:16 | <ogra_ac> there might have been more possible but i didnt want to break it
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| 13:16 | (even the new one is nearly 20 years old already)
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| 13:17 | <alkisg> With that speed you could be here for a coffee in a few hours :D
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| 13:17 | <mgariepy> alkisg, would you mind giving my the newer version ?
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| 13:17 | <ogra_ac> heh, yeah, sadly there are speed limits after i cross the border
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| 13:18 | <vagrantc> ogra_ac: what integration is needed on the pandaboard?
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| 13:18 | <ogra_ac> vagrantc, a boot image, not sure what else beyond qemu-static ...
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| 13:18 | <robehend1> So was anyone willing to attempt to help me on this Likewise-open and pam-mount issue?
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| 13:18 | <ogra_ac> hi btw ;)
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| 13:19 | <vagrantc> ogra_ac: kernel support in good shape?
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| 13:19 | sounds like a very nice piece of hardware
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| 13:20 | <alkisg> mgariepy: ah, both of them are there: https://launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/+archive/ppa/+packages (forgot about the previous ubuntu versions, for karmic I still have the old one)
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| 13:20 | <ogra_ac> vagrantc, not upstream, only TI branches available yet
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| 13:20 | <vagrantc> ogra_ac: zumbi gave me an efikamx to mess around with... works great except for the kernel patches haven't been mainlined.
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| 13:21 | <ogra_ac> yeah
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| 13:21 | same goes for TI OMAP4
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| 13:21 | <vagrantc> and for some bizarre reason the ethernet interface is ... usb.
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| 13:21 | <mgariepy> alkisg, thanks, and i'll stop bugging you for today :)
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| 13:22 | <alkisg> mgariepy: np, those associations broke my nerves too 1 week ago
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| 13:22 | <mgariepy> the funny fact is that it work quite well in chromium..
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| 13:23 | <vagrantc> ogra_ac: though a dual-core arm sounds *nice*
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| 13:23 | <Gadi> robehend1: I had writeen a wiki on likewise+pam-mount, on the Ubuntu LTSP wiki - look for AD integration
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| 13:23 | <robehend1> Gadi: Went there and followed the instructions, however the mounts are only happening 1/3 of the time
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| 13:23 | <Gadi> robehend1: sometimes I have found using pam-script and writing my own script to be easier in a likewise env
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| 13:23 | 1/3 of the time?
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| 13:23 | <mgariepy> quiet well is imo, the same desktop experience with chrome in localapps on LTSP, and with chrome on a normal desktop
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| 13:23 | <ogra_ac> vagrantc, doesnt only *sound* nice, it also does 1080p video ;)
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| 13:24 | <mgariepy> s
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| 13:24 | <robehend1> gadi: It will occasionally mount the folders in the correct place, but sometimes, it doesnt even appear.
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| 13:24 | <mgariepy> s/quiet/quite/g
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| 13:24 | <Gadi> robehend1: anything in the logs?
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| 13:24 | <robehend1> gadi: not that I see.
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| 13:24 | <Gadi> robehend1: I have had more issues with it not unmounting than with it not mounting
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| 13:24 | <robehend1> gadi: It also will sometimes work for user A for a good week, but then, it will drop for userA and then work for userB
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| 13:25 | <Gadi> but, likewise also keeps changing with each version
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| 13:25 | <robehend1> so i've noticed
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| 13:25 | <Gadi> which version are you using?
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| 13:25 | <robehend1> 5.4
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| 13:25 | or whatever is native in the 10.04 repositories
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| 13:25 | <Gadi> mounting with cifs?
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| 13:25 | <robehend1> yep
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| 13:25 | <Gadi> hmm
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| 13:26 | <robehend1> have volumes setup to mount based on groups, all users a member of the group, and the group has full control of the share
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| 13:26 | <robehend1> I do, however, notice a delayed login with users. LDM pops up, authentication comes in, but gnome seems to take forever.
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| 13:27 | <Gadi> what happens if you log in locally?
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| 13:27 | locally to the server, that is
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| 13:27 | <robehend1> instant login, and always mounts
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| 13:27 | <Gadi> ah
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| 13:27 | well, there is real funniness with ssh
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| 13:27 | <robehend1> If i login with a local account, not an AD account, it usually goes pretty fast
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| 13:27 | <Gadi> because of ssh's privelege separation
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| 13:27 | <robehend1> on a client, that is
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| 13:27 | <Gadi> did you make all the ssh changes?
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| 13:28 | <robehend1> yes.
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| 13:28 | and if you dont, Likewise tends to do it itself these days, i've noticed
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| 13:28 | <Gadi> hmm...
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| 13:28 | <robehend1> I have sshd_config up, if you'd like me to look for a specific part
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| 13:28 | <Gadi> well, likewise makes certain changes, but I think others were required for pam-mount to work
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| 13:29 | <robehend1> I do remember having to set pam to actually be used, due to a funky config, but i'd be darned if I can remember where.
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| 13:29 | <Gadi> ChallengeResponseAuthentication no PasswordAuthentication yes
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| 13:30 | <robehend1> both set exactly that way
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| 13:30 | <Gadi> GSSAPIAuthentication no
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| 13:30 | <robehend1> also set that way
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| 13:30 | <Gadi> (that one is just to speed things up)
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| 13:30 | <robehend1> could this have anything to do with having FreeNX going on the server as well? I'd heard they work well together, but if it's the issue..
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| 13:30 | <Gadi> and you can mount the shares by hand without a problem
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| 13:31 | <robehend1> yep
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| 13:31 | <Gadi> hmm...
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| 13:31 | <robehend1> server is defined by direct IP, not dns, so thats not an issue, and user priviledges, at least on the windows side, is fine.
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| 13:31 | <Gadi> well, it may still try a netbios lookup
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| 13:32 | <robehend1> even if nsswitch is set to "files dns"?
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| 13:32 | <Gadi> well, netbios is a samba thing
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| 13:32 | <robehend1> valid point.
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| 13:33 | <Gadi> but still, it is weird to have it only mount some times
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| 13:33 | <robehend1> wish I could use this as an example why a switch to linux as the primary system here, instead of windows, would be a good idea, but I have a feeling it would blow up on my face
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| 13:33 | Agreed. It also seems to vary between clients.
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| 13:33 | I take my demo user and will login, one by one, and get the mount each time
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| 13:33 | <Gadi> when it fails, can you check "mount"
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| 13:33 | <robehend1> but students tend to be hit or miss
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| 13:33 | <Gadi> maybe it never unmounted properly
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| 13:33 | <robehend1> so your thinking it's not unmounting at logout?
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| 13:34 | <Gadi> maybe
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| 13:34 | <robehend1> and now to be a fool, but where am I looking a bit more? I'm ssh'd into the server now, and there are some active users, so perfect time to check
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| 13:34 | <Gadi> type mount
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| 13:35 | are there more mountpoints than users?
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| 13:35 | er, more cifs mountpoints than user
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| 13:35 | *users
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| 13:35 | <robehend1> hmm, lemme take a look here
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| 13:35 | how do i check current logged in users? I'm to used to a gui
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| 13:36 | <Gadi> w
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| 13:36 | usually works
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| 13:36 | <robehend1> hmm
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| 13:36 | I do see 1 extra mount
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| 13:37 | actually, 2, considering 2 of them have a 32 day uptime, and I dont think any of my students are that devoted
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| 13:37 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 13:37 | <robehend1> so, if they arent unmounting, is there a work around?
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| 13:39 | <Gadi> great question
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| 13:40 | it somewhat depends on why it is not unmounting
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| 13:40 | or, you can move from pam-mount to pam-script and write your own script to mount things and unmount them
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| 13:41 | <robehend1> hmm
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| 13:41 | <Gadi> I know, it seems like there should be a better way
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| 13:41 | <robehend1> will pam-script allow me to use the $user and $domain_user variables?
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| 13:41 | <Gadi> it will have knowledge of the user
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| 13:41 | at least
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| 13:41 | and from there, you can get the rest of the info
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| 13:41 | <robehend1> Well, how about this. Instead of working to make the CIFS mounts go through, any way I can just make users /home folders mountable on windows?
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| 13:42 | <Gadi> samba
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| 13:42 | <robehend1> only reason we are using Pam-mount is to mount their home folder, so they can share their files between windows and linux.
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| 13:42 | so basically, define the share in smb.conf, and see if it works?
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| 13:42 | <Gadi> if their homedirs are a share in smb.conf, then Windows can map it
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| 13:43 | <robehend1> hmm
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| 13:43 | <Gadi> or, if you get to Windows with rdesktop, you don't need samba
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| 13:43 | just redirect the home dir
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| 13:43 | <robehend1> do I need to give it 750 for permissions, so students can read/write to it?
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| 13:43 | <Gadi> as a drive
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| 13:43 | <robehend1> Sadly, we still have windows clients
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| 13:44 | big old Celeron D's with 512 mb of ram, on Xp SP3..and they want to use them for movie editing..
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| 13:44 | <Gadi> :)
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| 13:44 | I've been there
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| 13:44 | :)
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| 13:44 | <robehend1> I love the job of a k-12 admin :D
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| 13:45 | I'm assuming I have to put "guest ok = yes" in the share defination so windows can get to it?
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| 13:45 | <Gadi> is there common auth?
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| 13:45 | oh yeah!
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| 13:45 | AD
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| 13:45 | <robehend1> yep
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| 13:45 | <Gadi> duh
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| 13:45 | <robehend1> as long as it works
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| 13:45 | <Gadi> sory - bouncing around
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| 13:45 | :)
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| 13:45 | <robehend1> Ha, i've been out of the room 3 times since we've started this discussion, no worries
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| 13:46 | <Gadi> users don't need gusst access
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| 13:46 | they can log in with their creds
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| 13:46 | and get their home directories
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| 13:46 | <robehend1> So, just to make sure I'm stright
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| 13:46 | er, straight here
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| 13:46 | <Gadi> as long as samba is using pam to auth and not its own users
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| 13:47 | in other words, if samba can use likewise to auth,
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| 13:47 | <robehend1> I setup the share in smb.conf, map that in Active Directory to a students H: drive, and then I should be golden?
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| 13:47 | <Gadi> right
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| 13:47 | and the share should already be there
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| 13:47 | [homes]
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| 13:47 | <robehend1> Will I get all the home folder, er, folders? Desktop,Downloads, Documents, etc?
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| 13:48 | <Gadi> right
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| 13:48 | the key is to make sure samba can auth to AD
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| 13:48 | <robehend1> Hmm. where should I look for that?
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| 13:48 | <Gadi> Im sure google has plenty on the topic - tho, maybe with likewise it just works
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| 13:48 | (I havent tried)
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| 13:49 | <robehend1> Well, we will see. I'm hoping this works, so people stop whining
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| 13:49 | <Gadi> :)
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| 13:49 | <robehend1> It's almost as bad as when I converted them to Open Office
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| 13:49 | <Gadi> do let me/us know
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| 13:49 | <robehend1> it was as if I destroyed their lives
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| 13:49 | Oh, will do. I'm nearly finished setting up the share, and as long as I dont get interrupted for 20 min..
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| 13:54 | <Gadi> bbiab
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| 13:54 | <robehend1> thanks again!
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| 14:25 | Gadi: Got the share's working. Just had to, gasp, actually install samba instead of just smbfs. As long as kids keep hidden files turned on, they wont break anything too special.
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