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| 05:58 | <Linson> i am new to ltsp...my enviornment is one good pc build for ltsp sever with ups-battery connected....10 clients (old pc) no ups, directly to ac power..assume edubuntu runs on server and 10 clients run from it and working on clients...suddenly power fails.10 clients power gone but ltsp server is runing....when power come backs can i configure to resume datas or working programs on clients?
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| 06:00 | <alkisg> No, xorg doesn't support that, so ltsp doesn't support it either
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| 06:00 | You could do that with x2go, but it would be slower than ltsp/xorg
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| 06:03 | <Linson> slower means will it have big difference on speed?....x2go is it like a package install on ltsp server pc?
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| 06:05 | <alkisg> It's a different method to access the server, you can use it even from windows PCs without ltsp
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| 06:05 | E.g. with ltsp you can watch videos fine, while with x2go you'll see dropped frames
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| 06:05 | !x2go
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| 06:05 | <ltsp> x2go: x2go is an NX-based suite of applications that allow logging in to a remote X server from any OS. It's much more efficient than VNC over slow network. More info: http://www.x2go.org/
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| 06:06 | <alkisg> If you really really need the ability to "resume sessions", only then try x2go
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| 06:06 | Otherwise stick with normal ltsp
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| 06:06 | <Linson> ok thank you
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| 06:06 | <alkisg> (x2go is very good for remotely accessing the server though, e.g. from home
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| 06:07 | You can install that for this ^ reason if you want...
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| 06:14 | <vagrantc> i think the rdp support in ldm also does resumed sessions...
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| 06:14 | with xrdp
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| 06:26 | <Linson> i also hav one more question,i have edubuntu ltsp server installed.username (ltspadmin) is me,i need to add more user accounts for my studdents with their name as username.the number is near 300.do i have any shortcut or i go to user account under sys settings and one by one?
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| 06:27 | <alkisg> That's not related to ltsp, you can ask it in #edubuntu or in #ubuntu
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| 06:28 | here we developed a tool for that, http://ts.sch.gr/mediawiki/images/d/df/Epoptes_mass_create_users_dim.png
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| 06:29 | unfortunately it's greek-only for now
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| 06:29 | This one's a better picture: http://ts.sch.gr/mediawiki/images/f/f8/Epoptes_mass_create_users.png
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| 06:29 | You just define the classes names and the number of PCs...
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| 06:35 | <Linson> thanks
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| 08:02 | <rickogden> bennabiy: is “LOCALDEV=True” what appearings in ltsp_config_env? For some reason it’s not in mine but when I do getltspcfg -a it’s listed there.
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| 08:03 | Still get “Not Authorized” when I try to mount a USB drive though :/
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| 08:32 | <alkisg> rickogden: not all variables are saved in that file
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| 08:33 | Are you using thin or fat clients?
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| 08:34 | <rickogden> fat clients
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| 08:35 | if it’s not meant to be in that file, that’s fine, I just wanted to rule that out as a cause of this, as it used to be working.
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| 08:39 | <alkisg> fat clients handle localdevs normally, not through ltsp/lts.conf
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| 08:39 | So there's no point in mentioning LOCALDEV at all, that's for thin clients
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| 08:39 | Login as a user in the sudo group, then plug in the drive and see what happens
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| 08:39 | <rickogden> alkisg: that’s useful to know, thanks.
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| 08:40 | alkisg: it works when you manually mount it as root, but not automatically as a sudo user.
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| 08:41 | <alkisg> What's the output of `lsblk` there?
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| 08:41 | In that usb device?
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| 08:47 | <rickogden> alkisg: It's listed there as /dev/sdb1
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| 08:48 | <maxtrax> Hi, I have this same problem but i am running on lubuntu 14.04: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2207625 can't login no matter what
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| 08:49 | <alkisg> rickogden: please give what I ask, not what you think I want...
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| 08:51 | maxtrax: can you login if you select the xterm session from ldm?
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| 08:51 | <rickogden> alkisg: My apologies. Here: http://pastebin.com/9wW9zDEX
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| 08:53 | <alkisg> rickogden: nice, now please remove the stick, run `id; udevadm monitor` inside the user session (as user, not as root), and plug in the stick
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| 08:53 | Then pastebin that result
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| 08:54 | <maxtrax> alkisg: yes i can, but there's no gui of course
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| 08:54 | <alkisg> maxtrax: nice, moment...
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| 08:54 | !accelerated
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| 08:54 | <ltsp> Error: "accelerated" is not a valid command.
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| 08:54 | <maxtrax> ok
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| 08:55 | <alkisg> maxtrax: do this: grep ^Exec /usr/share/xsessions/lubuntu.desktop
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| 08:55 | What's the result?
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| 08:56 | <rickogden> alkisg: pastebin.com/9LPL0ctN
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| 08:57 | <maxtrax> alkisg: Exec=/usr/bin/lxsession -l Lubuntu -e LXDE
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| 08:58 | sorry, -s Lubuntu -e LXDE
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| 08:58 | <alkisg> maxtrax: this is an ltsp bug, I'd like to solve it properly instead of giving you a workaround, but I'm a bit busy (on/off of the keyboard) now, so it'll take e.g. 30 minutes,
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| 08:58 | ...are you available for that?
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| 08:59 | rickogden: and after all that, you're still not seeing /dev/sdb1 in /proc/mounts?
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| 08:59 | <maxtrax> yeah, thank you! :)
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| 08:59 | <alkisg> maxtrax: ok, give me about 10minutes to close a few loose ends...
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| 09:00 | <maxtrax> alkisg: sure, take your time
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| 09:00 | <rickogden> alkisg: Afraid not. grep sdb1 /proc/mounts returns a blank.
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| 09:03 | <alkisg> rickogden: 12.04?
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| 09:03 | <rickogden> alkisg: Yes.
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| 09:04 | <alkisg> udisks --mount /dev/sdb1
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| 09:04 | Does that work?
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| 09:04 | (no root involved)
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| 09:05 | <rickogden> "Mount failed: Not Authorized"
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| 09:07 | <alkisg> OK, it needs more troubleshooting
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| 09:07 | bb in a few minutes
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| 09:07 | <rickogden> alkisg: No problem. Thanks for your help.
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| 09:22 | <alkisg> Sorry guys too much work atm, let's postpone it for tomorrow
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| 09:25 | <rickogden> alkisg: That's fine, I'll see if I can do more digging in the mean time.
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| 15:19 | <kb8wmc> how do I pass my Ubuntu 12.04 Mate Desktop to the clients instead of the Ubuntu Desktop (Unity)??
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| 15:29 | <JuJuBee> Why aren't the users session selections persisting? Every day the students have to switch to xubuntu from the default of unity.
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| 15:48 | <vagrantc> JuJuBee: is it getting written to the user's ~/.dmrc file?
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| 15:52 | <JuJuBee> Let me check... no file with that name in their home dir
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| 15:52 | <vagrantc> for some reason LDM is not writing that file...
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| 15:53 | <JuJuBee> Fix?
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| 15:54 | <vagrantc> figure out what "some reason" is :)
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| 15:54 | <||cw2> fat or thin?
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| 15:55 | could be that it tries to write that file before the user home dir is available?
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| 15:58 | <vagrantc> JuJuBee: workaround might be to set the default session with update-alternatives
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| 15:58 | JuJuBee: sudo update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
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| 16:01 | <vagrantc> ||cw2: that doesn't seem likely... the code generaes the file on the client and then copies to the server
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| 16:01 | <JuJuBee> I am using fat clients
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| 16:02 | <vagrantc> with ssh based auth and homedirs?
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| 16:02 | <JuJuBee> not entirely sure at the moment.
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| 16:03 | Home dirs use FSTAB_0 directive to get them via nfs from another server
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| 16:03 | <vagrantc> ok, that explains it
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| 16:04 | does the ltsp server alo have the homedirs mounted via nfs?
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| 16:04 | <JuJuBee> no
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| 16:04 | <vagrantc> is there a ~/.dmrc in the server's homedirs?
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| 16:05 | <vagrantc> i guess that actually should still work either way...
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| 16:05 | it's been a while since i looked at the dmrc processing code...
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| 16:10 | <JuJuBee> vagrantc: on the fileserver not the ltsp server?
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| 16:11 | No there is no file there
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| 16:12 | <vagrantc> JuJuBee: have you specified LDM_SERVER ?
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| 16:15 | JuJuBee: just as an experiment...
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| 16:16 | JuJuBee: if you disable the homedir mounting with FSTAB_XX ... does it work?
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| 16:36 | <JuJuBee> where do I specify LDM_SERVER?
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| 16:36 | I will check the disabling fstab statement in a while. Students are working now.
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| 17:47 | <JuJuBee> vagrantc: I commented the fstab_0 line in lts.conf and logged in as a user. I deleted the .dmrc file logged out and changed sessions and logged in. No .dmrc file in my home
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| 17:53 | <vagrantc> did you select a different session?
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| 17:53 | <JuJuBee> Yes
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| 17:54 | <vagrantc> so there was a .dmrc file ... on which server?
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| 17:54 | <JuJuBee> On the ltsp server ( i logged in with the account I log into the server with, not a student account)
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| 17:56 | <vagrantc> do you also log in to that server locally?
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| 17:56 | <JuJuBee> yes
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| 17:56 | <vagrantc> i.e. did something else create the .dmrc file?
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| 17:56 | <JuJuBee> Yes
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| 17:57 | so i removed it
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| 17:57 | then tested ltsp login
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| 17:57 | <vagrantc> right
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| 17:57 | <JuJuBee> did not create the file again
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| 17:58 | Am I better off letting the ltsp server mount /home from remote server using fstab instead of specifying in lts.conf?
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| 17:58 | <vagrantc> JuJuBee: could you pastebn the output of ltsp-info?
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| 17:59 | !pastebin | echo JuJuBee
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| 17:59 | <ltsp> JuJuBee pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 17:59 | <vagrantc> JuJuBee: no, you should be fine.
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| 17:59 | not sure exactly what's going on, but there were some changes to .dmrc processing not long after ubuntu 12.04 was released
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| 18:00 | <JuJuBee> http://pastebin.com/MTaug7Tb
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| 18:00 | <vagrantc> but looks like you're running 14.04
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| 18:00 | <JuJuBee> yes
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| 18:00 | on server and client
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| 18:01 | <vagrantc> so, you're running the current code...
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| 18:01 | <JuJuBee> yes
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| 18:02 | <vagrantc> JuJuBee: i guess you could try editing /opt/ltsp/amd64/usr/share/ldm/rc.d/X50-dmrc-processing and add some debugging info
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| 18:02 | you'd need to rebuild the image after every change to that file
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| 18:03 | <JuJuBee> I guess It might be easier to have students create the file with the settings they want. Since there is a bug in unity (no gear to logout)
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| 18:04 | <vagrantc> well, it really should work...
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| 18:04 | if it's not working, there's a bug somewhere...
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| 18:04 | <JuJuBee> debugging the process is a bit over my head.
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| 18:08 | <vagrantc> JuJuBee: also, you should be able to set the default session with update-alternatives
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| 18:08 | JuJuBee: sudo ltsp-chroot update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
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| 18:08 | JuJuBee: and then rebuild the image
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| 18:09 | <JuJuBee> Does that set the default session to use xubuntu/xfce ?
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| 18:11 | Ah, I see how it works...
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| 18:11 | Cool
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| 18:15 | <vagrantc> it allows you to set it to whatever you want
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| 18:16 | hopefully it works for you...
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| 18:17 | <JuJuBee> I will find out tomorrow when students are back. Thanks vagrantc
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| 18:52 | <kb8wmc> how do I pass my Ubuntu 12.04 Mate Desktop to the clients instead of the Ubuntu Desktop (Unity)??
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| 18:52 | <alkisg> !flashback
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| 18:52 | <ltsp> Error: "flashback" is not a valid command.
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| 18:52 | <alkisg> !fallback
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| 18:52 | <ltsp> I do not know about 'fallback', but I do know about these similar topics: 'gnome-fallback'
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| 18:52 | <alkisg> !gnome-fallback
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| 18:52 | <ltsp> gnome-fallback: Unity, compiz etc are sometimes slow or buggy. To select gnome-fallback as your default session, install the gnome-session-fallback package, and put this in your lts.conf: LDM_SESSION="gnome-session --session=gnome-fallback"
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| 18:53 | <alkisg> Meh
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| 18:53 | Anyway, see the session name in /usr/share/xsessions/, and put it in LDM_SESSION in lts.conf
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| 18:54 | <kb8wmc> thanks, will give it a whirl....
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| 18:56 | <alkisg> E.g. LDM_SESSION=mate-desktop, without the .desktop extension, if that's its name...
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| 18:56 | i mean if it's named mate-desktop.desktop...
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| 18:58 | <kb8wmc> ok...will check
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| 19:00 | yes, it is called mate.desktop.desktop
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| 19:01 | <kb8wmc> or maybe more properly "mate.desktop" and the extension is called .desktop
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| 19:02 | <kb8wmc> anyway, will try it out, you have pointed me in the right direction for now
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| 19:22 | I keep getting errors Socket, connection refused
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| 21:29 | <kb8wmc> !mate
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| 21:29 | <ltsp> Error: "mate" is not a valid command.
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