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Channel log from 1 May 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 07:41 | <bronze> gluten morgen! (High carb breakfast) Anyone heard if RedHat has any plans to integrate LTSP-5 into the official RH Enterprise product line? Since its already in Fedora, the work to make it happen is already substantially complete.
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| 07:57 | <Drakonen> bronze: that would be nice, but then they also need to fix stuff like sabayon
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| 07:58 | <bronze> Drakonen: excuse my ignorance, what is sabayon?
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| 07:58 | <chrisjrob> i have a p4 client that comes up to the ltsp text login, but will not give a gui. if i view display :7 i have scrolling messages stating: ldmgtkgreet cannot open display unknown SERVERIP 9571 connection refused.
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| 07:59 | i don't recall seeing this before.
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| 07:59 | <knipwim> bronze: http://projects.gnome.org/sabayon/
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| 08:01 | <chrisjrob> this is on a debian lenny ltsp5 installation, and this is the first time i have tried to get this client working.
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| 08:08 | <bronze> knipwim: gracias. (I should have done that myself. I blame insufficient coffee levels, being remedied as we speak.. )
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| 08:13 | chrisjrob: I am not familiar with the problem you have identified but from the info you have given I suspect that eitehr your thin client wont allow the LTSP server to connect to it to open the login "windoe/gui" or the LTSP server is not allowing the TC to connect to it and establish the server<=> client relationship. I think the former is more likely as LTSP server will usually let almost any IP ask them for services.. (I think) call it 65% confi
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| 08:13 | dence level.
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| 08:16 | <chrisjrob> bronze: thanks, but it's odd that it gives a console login on the client, which must mean that the server is providing some services to the client.
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| 08:17 | <bronze> um, yup, that definitely invalidates my theory. :-)
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| 08:22 | <rjune> !g
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| 08:22 | <ltspbot`> rjune: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:23 | <bronze> chrisjrob: what distro?
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| 08:23 | <chrisjrob> debian lenny
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| 08:25 | i was working on the assumption that the resolution was wrong, then saw those messages and decided that it was probably nothing to do with resolution.
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| 08:26 | sounds like ldm is not being allowed to connect to the server. ah, i should check the server logs...
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| 08:27 | inetd[4266]: 9571/tcp server failing (looping), service terminated
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| 08:30 | * Gadi waves to rjune | |
| 08:30 | <bronze> chrisjrob: is that an entry on the LTSP server log? or does it originate from the client side?
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| 08:30 | <Gadi> chrisjrob: is this ldm?
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| 08:30 | <bronze> Gadi: yup
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| 08:30 | <chrisjrob> yes Gadi
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| 08:31 | <Gadi> its a problem with ldminfod
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| 08:31 | <chrisjrob> yes bronze it is in syslog on the server
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| 08:31 | <Gadi> I believe that is what runs on 9571
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| 08:31 | well, cctually, you can check
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| 08:31 | grep 9571 /etc/inetd.conf
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| 08:31 | <bronze> Gadi: ldm = Login Display Manager (I assume) what does "infod" stand for?
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| 08:31 | * chrisjrob looks up ldminfod | |
| 08:32 | <Gadi> ldminfod is a server-side daemon that tells ldm (running on the client) the server's capabilities
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| 08:32 | in terms of sessions, languages, etc
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| 08:32 | <bronze> ah "info deamon"
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| 08:32 | <Gadi> exactly
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| 08:32 | but, check the port
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| 08:32 | I forget what runs where
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| 08:32 | grep 9571 /etc/inetd.conf
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| 08:33 | <bronze> its chrisjrob's system having the issue.
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| 08:33 | <chrisjrob> 9571 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/ldminfod
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| 08:33 | <Gadi> he shoots, he scores!
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| 08:33 | :)
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| 08:34 | anyhow, seems ldminfod is doing bad things
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| 08:34 | <bronze> so that means inetsd is supporting ldminfod service requests.. but ..
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| 08:34 | *inetd
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| 08:34 | <Gadi> (09:26:26 AM) chrisjrob: inetd[4266]: 9571/tcp server failing (looping), service terminated
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| 08:35 | but, I think you have a red herring
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| 08:35 | I think the problem is the video driver failing on the client
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| 08:35 | so X dies
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| 08:35 | and respawns
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| 08:35 | and dies
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| 08:35 | and respawns
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| 08:35 | and each time, ldm makes a request to ldminfod
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| 08:35 | <chrisjrob> sounds likely, it's what i expected in the first place, until i saw those looping errors on display :7
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| 08:35 | <Gadi> which is why you see an error in the logs
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| 08:36 | <chrisjrob> okay, i'll go back to treating this as a display issue.
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| 08:36 | <bronze> I have a hammer you can use...
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| 08:36 | <Gadi> chrisjrob: a good way to debug is to install ssh server in the image
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| 08:36 | * chrisjrob accepts the hammer | |
| 08:36 | <Gadi> and give the chroot's root user a password
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| 08:36 | <Gadi> then, while the display is dying, you can ssh into the thin client
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| 08:36 | and read the xorg log
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| 08:37 | <jammcq> good morning friends
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| 08:37 | <bronze> Drakonen: ok I know what sabayon is now. (I'm KDE oriented so I have not been exposed to it before now). How is Sabayon blocking LTSP's inclusion in the RHEL product line?
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| 08:38 | <chrisjrob> thanks Gadi and bronze - the help is appreciated.
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| 08:38 | <bronze> chrisjrob: since all I did was act like the eliza program. I think Gadi deserves the kudos. :)
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| 08:39 | * Gadi doesnt need kudos - only coffee | |
| 08:40 | <Gadi> unless you mean the granola bar
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| 08:40 | <bronze> heh...
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| 08:40 | <Gadi> mmm.... breakfast...
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| 08:40 | * jammcq likes kudos | |
| 08:41 | * Lumiere likes food in general ;) | |
| 08:41 | <pmatulis> does debian still use nfs over nbd?
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| 08:41 | <chrisjrob> yes
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| 08:41 | <bronze> jammcq: good morning. (all hail the Kin... erm.. eh.. All hail jammcq! )
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| 08:41 | <pmatulis> strange that ubuntu went nbd
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| 08:41 | <jammcq> hey bronze
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| 08:42 | <chrisjrob> pmatulis: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_name=20081106230627.GT8315%40ryukin.fglan
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| 08:47 | <pmatulis> chrisjrob: ok, thanks
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| 08:54 | for nbb & ltsp, anyone know what compression algorithm is used with squashfs? doesn't appear to be standard (gzip, lzma)
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| 08:54 | *nbd
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| 09:00 | <Gadi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squashfs
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| 09:03 | <chrisjrob> Gadi: Xorg.7.log is near empty, but states: "Parse error line 90 xorg.conf"...
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| 09:03 | <cyberorg> we might very soon be moving to clicfs(doenerfs) http://lizards.opensuse.org/2009/04/28/whats-behind-lzma-compressed-livecds/
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| 09:03 | <chrisjrob> i have checked line 90 and it states
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| 09:04 | ModelName "CMC 17" AD" <-note the quotes
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| 09:04 | if I remove the AD" then i can get it working
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| 09:04 | is my only solution a custom xorg.conf?
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| 09:05 | <pmatulis> Gadi: pretty much confirms what i said, no mention of what algorithm nbd is using with ltsp
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| 09:06 | <Gadi> nbd doesnt use an algorithm
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| 09:06 | squashfs does
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| 09:06 | squashfs uses gzip
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| 09:06 | nbd simply exports a file or device as a block device over the network on a port
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| 09:07 | chrisjrob: too many quotes
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| 09:07 | chrisjrob: model name is irrelevant
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| 09:07 | <chrisjrob> irrelevant, but preventing xorg.conf from parsing.
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| 09:08 | <Gadi> right - where did you even add that?
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| 09:08 | <chrisjrob> i didn't
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| 09:08 | <Gadi> are you using a custom xorg.conf?
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| 09:08 | <chrisjrob> no
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| 09:08 | <Gadi> oh
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| 09:08 | cool
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| 09:08 | you found a corner case
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| 09:08 | <chrisjrob> ?
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| 09:08 | <Gadi> I'll tell you what file to edit
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| 09:09 | wait
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| 09:09 | before I do
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| 09:09 | pastebot your lts.conf
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| 09:09 | just so im clear
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| 09:10 | <chrisjrob> okay.
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| 09:11 | <pmatulis> Gadi: yes, i meant "what algorithm squashfs is using with ltsp"
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| 09:12 | <Gadi> default
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| 09:12 | gzip
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| 09:14 | <ltsppbot> "chrisjrob" pasted "lts.conf - client is mac address 00:40:f4:4b:bb:f3" (128 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/315
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| 09:20 | <Gadi> ah, ok
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| 09:20 | afew things:
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| 09:21 | X_BLANKING takes a number
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| 09:21 | its not boolean
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| 09:21 | it is number of seconds until blanking
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| 09:21 | 0 = never
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| 09:22 | since that client is commented out, its using the default
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| 09:23 | <chrisjrob> indeed - i was trying to remove my settings from the debug process
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| 09:23 | <Gadi> it seems that you may have found a bug in Xorg
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| 09:23 | actually
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| 09:23 | because the monitor's device string has a double-quote in it
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| 09:24 | and when Xorg generates its own config on the fly, it puts double quotes around it
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| 09:24 | therby producing the parse error.
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| 09:24 | try simply adding: CONFIGURE_X=True
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| 09:24 | for that one client
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| 09:24 | and reboot
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| 09:24 | oh, wait
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| 09:25 | actaully we need one more thing
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| 09:25 | We need a benign monitor option
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| 09:26 | ok add this:
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| 09:26 | CONFIGURE_X = True
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| 09:26 | X_MONITOR_OPTION_01 = "\"Bogus\" \"true\""
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| 09:26 | and let's see if that works
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| 09:26 | <chrisjrob> will do, although i have my doubts that that feature is working in lenny...
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| 09:27 | (X_MONITOR_OPTION_01 that is)
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| 09:28 | client rebooting
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| 09:29 | no different i'm afraid Gadi
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| 09:30 | just checking Xorg.7.log and xorg.conf
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| 09:31 | same parse error for AD"
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| 09:33 | * Gadi wonders where xorg.conf is coming from | |
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| 09:34 | * pmatulis wonders why he can't look at the contents of squashfs image with unsquashfs | |
| 09:34 | <pmatulis> "Can't find a SQUASHFS superblock on nbi.img"
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| 09:34 | <cyberorg> pmatulis, try mount -o loop
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| 09:35 | <pmatulis> cyberorg: tried that too, ubuntu mount page doesn't list the squashfs type
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| 09:35 | <cyberorg> hmm, nbi.img is not ltsp image
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| 09:36 | look for i386.img somewhere under /opt
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| 09:39 | <pmatulis> cyberorg: my understanding is that nbi.img is the boot image (compressed filesystem)
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| 09:40 | <cyberorg> pmatulis, it is a boot image, not the system image ltsp uses
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| 09:40 | <pmatulis> cyberorg: correct, i should still be able to view its contents though
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| 09:41 | <cyberorg> pmatulis, try right-click > extract here from nautilus :)
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| 09:42 | <pmatulis> cyberorg: very funny, got to try that on my desktop
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| 09:42 | <cyberorg> pmatulis, it might be like our initrd, gzipped cpio archive
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| 09:47 | <rjune> ogra, ping
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| 09:47 | <chrisjrob> Gadi: i have just run getltscfg on the client, and it hasn't picked up the changes we made, i will investigate.
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| 09:47 | <Gadi> pmatulis: nbi.img is not a squashfs image
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| 09:47 | sorry
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| 09:47 | <pmatulis> Gadi: ah no? mixed up then
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| 09:47 | <Gadi> cyberorg already said that
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| 09:47 | nbi = kernel+initrd+squashfs
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| 09:47 | it is a network-boot-image
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| 09:48 | not just the squashfs piece
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| 09:48 | oops
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| 09:48 | no
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| 09:48 | screwed that up
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| 09:48 | it is kernel+initrd
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| 09:48 | not squashfs at all
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| 09:48 | squashfs gets mounted later
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| 09:48 | you want i386.img
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| 09:48 | in /opt/ltsp/images
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| 09:49 | <pmatulis> Gadi: thank you
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| 09:49 | <Gadi> np
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| 09:53 | <chrisjrob> Gadi: i hadn't uncommented the mac address
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| 09:53 | * chrisjrob blushes | |
| 09:53 | <chrisjrob> Gadi: then i just changed CONFIGURE_X = True for False and it is now booting fine
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| 09:55 | many thanks Gadi, hopefully you won't have to help me every day ;)
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| 09:55 | <Gadi> no worries
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| 09:56 | <alkisg> !seen sbalneav
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| 09:56 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 8 weeks, 0 days, 23 hours, 3 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <sbalneav> At some point it's a case of diminishing returns. I don't know wether you're a consultant or an employee, but hardware's cheap, and the amount of time you're going to spend: devising a patch, testing the patch, rolling a new kernel, then MAINTAINING that patch through every kernel upgrade (1 more message)
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| 09:56 | <alkisg> Wow... is he ok?
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| 09:57 | <chrisjrob> Gadi: what's the thinking on the X_MONITOR_OPTION_01 = "\"Bogus\" \"true\"" line, i can't follow the logic?
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| 09:57 | i know i probably shouldn't care, but i like to understand if i can!
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| 09:58 | <Gadi> well, you don't need it anymore
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| 09:59 | <chrisjrob> oh, okay. thanks.
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| 09:59 | <Gadi> do you have a xorg.conf in /etc/X11/xorg.conf in the chroot?
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| 10:00 | <chrisjrob> yes, but a vastly simplified one
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| 10:00 | a skeleton almost
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| 10:00 | <Gadi> that must be where it was coming from
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| 10:00 | at least on ubuntu that file should never exist
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| 10:00 | I think on debian, too
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| 10:01 | when ltsp makes a xorg.conf on the fly, it does so in /var/run/ltsp-xorg.conf
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| 10:01 | when CONFIGURE_X=False, Xorg should us NO xorg.conf
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| 10:01 | which means that /etc/X11/xorg.conf should not exist
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| 10:02 | and, as of Lenny and Jaunty, you *should* never have to set CONFIGURE_X
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| 10:02 | it should set itself based upon whether there are lts.conf variables that need a xorg.conf created
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| 10:02 | <rjune> Gadi, *should*
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| 10:02 | friend of mine just had to set a modeline for his monitor in jaunty.
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| 10:03 | <Gadi> setting CONFIGURE_X=False like you are doing is overriding the default XKB* variables in your default section
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| 10:03 | rjune: right - but he should only have to set X_MODE_0
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| 10:03 | or XRANDR_NEWMODE_0
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| 10:03 | <chrisjrob> well i have a /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/xorg.conf on the server - you feel that should be removed?
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| 10:03 | <Gadi> he should not have to explicitly set CONFIGURE_X=True
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| 10:04 | chrisjrob: yes - if you like simply rename it
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| 10:04 | and I bet that is the file with the ModelName, right?
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| 10:04 | <rjune> Gadi, is raw X,not ltsp
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| 10:04 | IOW, I'm sitting down and shutting up
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| 10:04 | <Gadi> rjune: ah, right - don't get me started on conf-less xorg :)
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| 10:05 | <rjune> heh
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| 10:05 | <chrisjrob> Gadi: no there was no ModelName field there.
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| 10:05 | just: Identifier "Configured Monitor"
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| 10:05 | <Gadi> so, I still don't know where that was coming from
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| 10:07 | <chrisjrob> okay i have moved that xorg.conf away, and have removed the CONFIGURE_X = False line and am rebooting...
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| 10:11 | <chrisjrob> Gadi: err... client booted fine, and no /etc/X11/xorg.conf - is that as you would expect it?
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| 10:12 | <chrisjrob> (without CONFIGURE_X = False line)
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| 10:14 | <Gadi> yup
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| 10:16 | <chrisjrob> i'm being so dense, but how was that file being generated, as it was completely different to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/xorg.conf
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| 10:18 | <Gadi> I dont know where that file was from
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| 10:18 | normally, there will be two ways xorg will work
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| 10:18 | no xorg.conf at all
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| 10:18 | or, ltsp will make one in /var/run/ltsp-xorg.conf and tell xorg to use that
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| 10:19 | <chrisjrob> but i don't have /var/run/ltsp-xorg.conf
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| 10:20 | <Gadi> it will only be on the client filesystem during runtime
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| 10:20 | and only if you set variables that need a xorg.conf to be created
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| 10:21 | <chrisjrob> so if i uncomment the monitor options, it should create that file...
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| 10:22 | i mean the monitor options for that client in my lts.conf
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| 10:23 | <Gadi> right
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| 10:23 | <alkisg> In Ubuntu, if I wanted to permanately remove "quiet" from /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default, I'd have to put BOOTPROMPT_OPTS=splash in /etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf, right? And where's that, in the chroot or in the server?
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| 10:24 | <chrisjrob> which i have done, and on the client getltscfg now correctly shows X_MODE, X_HORZSYNC X_VERTREFRESH, but there is no /var/run/ltsp-xorg.conf
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| 10:24 | i'm starting to feel that debian is different in some way.
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| 10:25 | Gadi: sorry, i'm taking up too much of your time, i'll continue to tinker - thank you SO much for your patience.
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| 10:25 | <alkisg> chrisjrob: run `ps -ef` and see the X command line.
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| 10:25 | <Gadi> lemme check my filepaths
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| 10:26 | yeah, that should be right
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| 10:26 | chrisjrob: try setting CONFIGURE_X=True explicitly
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| 10:26 | <chrisjrob> alkisg: i see it - /usr/bin/X -auth /root/.Xauthori (screen cuts off at that point)
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| 10:27 | <Gadi> ps -efw
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| 10:27 | <chrisjrob> Gadi: okay, doing it now.
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| 10:27 | <Gadi> (w = wrap)
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| 10:28 | <chrisjrob> alkisg: i see it - /usr/bin/X -auth /root/.Xauthority -br -noreset -depth 16 vt7 :7
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| 10:28 | <alkisg> OK, so no xorg.conf :)
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| 10:28 | <chrisjrob> rebooting client with CONFIGURE_X=True
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| 10:31 | no change to either ps -efw nor /var/run/
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| 10:32 | <Gadi> sounds like you will have issues setting *any* xorg.conf variable
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| 10:32 | on the client can you create a file in /var/run?
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| 10:32 | * Gadi wonders if it is read-only | |
| 10:32 | <chrisjrob> getltscfg -a definitely shows CONFIGURE_X="True"
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| 10:32 | Gadi: yes i can create a file in /var/run
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| 10:33 | * Gadi wishes vagrantc were her | |
| 10:33 | <Gadi> *here
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| 10:34 | * chrisjrob thinks that was a freudian typo | |
| 10:34 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 10:35 | <chrisjrob> i think i'll put that xorg.conf back, add the CONFIGURE_X = False on that client, and try and pin vagrantc down at some point
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| 10:35 | <alkisg> chrisjrob (just wondering): does an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file get generated at runtime?
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| 10:36 | <chrisjrob> alkisg: no
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| 10:36 | <alkisg> k
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| 10:36 | strange :)
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| 10:36 | <chrisjrob> but it did, until we removed it
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| 10:36 | <alkisg> That's with NFS?
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| 10:36 | <chrisjrob> i.e. the default xorg.conf was being changed
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| 10:36 | yes alkisg
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| 10:37 | so, there is a skeleton xorg.conf in the nfs share, which normally gets reconfigured at boot time.
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| 10:37 | CONFIGURE_X = False stops that behaviour
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| 10:37 | as does removing it (as we have just found!)
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| 10:38 | so, by my way of thinking, all that sounds good, albeit differnt to how you expect ubuntu to work
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| 10:38 | <Gadi> lenny must not use more recent upstream versions
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| 10:38 | <chrisjrob> but if i'm right, that just leaves the strange bug on this particular client
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| 10:39 | the adding of: AD" - to the end of the monitor model name
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| 10:39 | <Gadi> perhaps lenny also still uses configure-x.sh
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| 10:39 | <chrisjrob> but with the CONFIGURE_X = False, it's working and I am happy.
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| 10:40 | <Gadi> do you have /usr/share/ltsp/configure-x.sh on the client?
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| 10:40 | <chrisjrob> i have: /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/configure-x.sh
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| 10:40 | <Gadi> yeah, that must be it
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| 10:40 | <Gadi> this is how things used to be done before we changed things upstream
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| 10:41 | perhaps the upstream changes are in testing or something
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| 10:41 | * Gadi knows not about the package migration of ltsp in debian | |
| 10:41 | <Gadi> sorry for the confusion I wroght
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| 10:41 | :)
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| 10:41 | *wrought
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| 10:41 | <chrisjrob> not at all Gadi - i understand it all infinitely better now.
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| 10:42 | and you got the client working, so all in all i couldn't be happier.
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| 10:42 | thanks :)
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| 10:43 | <Gadi> keep up the good questions
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| 10:43 | :)
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| 10:43 | I need something to jumpstart my brain in the morning
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| 10:43 | and it aint gonna be *this* coffee
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| 10:45 | <chrisjrob> it's almost time for me to go home - can't get used to the time differences
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| 11:12 | <bronze> Drakonen: you mentioned Sabayon was one of the issues preventing RH from integrating LTSP with its enterprise product line. Now that I know what it is, how is it blocking the integration? Is the issue just that Sabayon needs to be ported to RHEL?
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| 11:20 | <pmatulis> Gadi: you have any idea how i can pry open nbi.img?
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| 11:23 | <Drakonen> bronze: didnt mean that its blocking it.
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| 11:23 | but sabayon is quite essential for enterprise imho
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| 11:28 | <Gadi> pmatulis: why do you want to?
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| 11:28 | <pmatulis> Gadi: i'm curious
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| 11:29 | <Gadi> well, its made from the vmlinuz and initrd in the boot directory
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| 11:29 | using something like mkelfimage
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| 11:29 | Im not sure how you go about decomposing it
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| 11:30 | perhaps there are tools in the package
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| 11:32 | <pmatulis> Gadi: ok, will follow that (mkelfimage), thanks
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| 12:11 | <Ahmuck> after upgrade to ubuntu 9.04, firefox crashes often in flash
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| 12:18 | <wftl> Ah, I remember when this channel was hopping!
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| 12:18 | Back in the day.
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| 12:19 | Crazy question . . . or not. Web accessible thin clients; you desktop "in the cloud"
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| 12:19 | Any LTSP work being done in that direction.
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| 12:19 | In a sense that's what Ulteo is trying to do, but surely he can't be the only one.
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| 12:20 | Ulteo being Gaël Duval in this case.
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| 12:26 | <johnny> wftl, it's hoppin on and off
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| 12:26 | web accessible thin clients? at that point just using something like vnc or rdp via java/flash applet would take care of it
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| 12:27 | or nx as well..
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| 12:27 | wftl, it wouldn't even be ltsp anymore really
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| 12:28 | the only thing mising in that question is being able to attach web storage to local storage
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| 12:30 | but that would be easy with webdav
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| 12:31 | wftl, ltsp to me.. is northing more than the glue between standard services like ssh/nfs/X to allow remote resources to become local (as far as the user is concerned)
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| 13:04 | <wftl> johnny, I understand and agree with your point, but it's good glue.
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| 13:04 | [ insert appropriate smiley here ]
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| 13:04 | <johnny> wftl, truly
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| 13:05 | <wftl> I was thinking it would be fun to use that glue to connect to a server, using a standard browser, and having my desktop 'just appear'.
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| 13:05 | There's nx, of course, but I don't want to have people load up software when they already have a browser.
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| 13:05 | And ltsp is nice and efficient
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| 13:22 | <jammcq> wftl: hey, how's it going?
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| 13:24 | <wftl> jammcq! Dude! Long time.
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| 13:24 | <jammcq> yeah, how's things?
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| 13:24 | <wftl> It goes well. A little insane -- way over my head, but it goes.
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| 13:25 | You?
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| 13:25 | <jammcq> doing well. insanely busy, but I like it that way
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| 13:25 | <wftl> I just gave you some more work.
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| 13:25 | :-)
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| 13:25 | <jammcq> gee, thanks :)
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| 13:25 | <wftl> Always trying to help.
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| 13:25 | <jammcq> with friends like you....
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| 13:26 | <wftl> Been trying to set up an Ulteo system, to test that version of 'thin clients in the cloud'.
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| 13:26 | Which is why I came here to stir the pot.
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| 13:26 | <jammcq> hmm, sounds cool. I'm mostly here watching these days. All the other guys are doing all the real work
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| 13:31 | <Lumiere> jammcq: making a move into management? :)
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| 13:32 | <epsas> wftl - I was just looking at eucalyptus
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| 13:33 | <wftl> epsas, never heard of it. Googling.
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| 13:33 | <epsas> at least for 'cloud computing'
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| 13:34 | not so much for web accessible thin clients
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| 13:34 | <wftl> This one? http://open.eucalyptus.com/
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| 13:35 | <johnny> wftl, so.. you ever gonna write an article on ltsp then? :)
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| 13:35 | <epsas> yeah
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| 13:35 | an article? for which publication?
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| 13:36 | <johnny> it's a secret
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| 13:36 | <epsas> hopefully Harpers, i like that mag
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| 13:36 | oh snap.
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| 13:36 | compartmentalized intelligence, i understand.
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| 13:36 | <wftl> johnny, I did, quite a while ago.
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| 13:36 | <johnny> wftl, really?
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| 13:36 | hmm.. missed it
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| 13:37 | been awhile since i read the lj tho
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| 13:37 | <wftl> Heck, I wrote the very first, ever, chapter on LTSP for my "Moving to the Linux Business Desktop" book.
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| 13:37 | Two chapters in factg.
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| 13:37 | s/factg/fact/
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| 13:37 | <johnny> wftl, well i suck then
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| 13:37 | i never saw it
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| 13:38 | <wftl> Pages 393-423
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| 13:38 | Good coverage, I thought.
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| 13:39 | <johnny> i have the one where you talk about pingus ...
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| 13:39 | <wftl> :-)
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| 13:39 | Not quite the same, is it?
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| 17:04 | <abz___> hi guys see the ltsp image that boots...i'm using jaunty - would like something like DSL to fire up and launch mythtvfrontend. anyone able to talk me trhough how I would do something like that?
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| 17:09 | <laga> abz___: what?
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| 17:13 | <abz___> laga - the ltsp server i set up is shoving out images of jaunty jackalope to the clients...bit bloated
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| 17:14 | is there anyways i could keep jaunty on my main system - but serve up the clients something small like damn small linux?
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| 17:23 | <Mip5> Hey Gang - I've got a new thin client that's using nvidia chipset. It boots, but hangs trying to bring up X. Is there a way to install the nvdia driver for use with these machines?
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| 17:25 | The mobo is an M2N68-AM SE2
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| 17:30 | <epsas> hmmm
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| 17:30 | i was having a problem with an nvidia chipset as well
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| 17:31 | so... in my lts.conf i added
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| 17:31 | [00:1d:09:83:d1:76] XSERVER=vesa
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| 17:31 | "XSERVER=vesa" is on the next line actually
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| 17:32 | and the [...] is the MAC address of the computer with the nvidia chip that was acting up
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| 17:32 | hope that will help you
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| 17:35 | <knipwim> why not compile the nvidia drivers in the client kernel?
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| 17:45 | <epsas> it apparently adds size to the image
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| 17:46 | 22MB or something like that (including the nvidia xserver driver)
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| 17:57 | <pmatulis> does flash work with firefox & ltsp?
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| 19:08 | <johnny> pmatulis, sure.. flash works with firefox...
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| 19:35 | <pmatulis> johnny: when ff is a local app as well?
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| 20:03 | <johnny> pmatulis, sure.. why not.. as long as you install it
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| 21:12 | <pmatulis> johnny: ok
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