IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 5 August 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 08:09 | <Hyperbyte> John, buddy! :-)
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| 08:09 | <johnkershaw> hi :)
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| 08:09 | <Hyperbyte> How are you?
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| 08:10 | <johnkershaw> good.
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| 08:10 | I'm planning to go into school in an hour or so - would you be 'around' to talk me through fixing the network?
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| 08:10 | <Hyperbyte> I will!
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| 08:11 | I am at work though, will have things to do left and right.
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| 08:11 | <johnkershaw> I understand :)
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| 08:11 | <Hyperbyte> So don't panic if I'm not here immediately. :)
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| 08:11 | <johnkershaw> at least I'll hear your responses now :)
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| 08:11 | <Hyperbyte> Heh!
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| 08:11 | <johnkershaw> does edubuntu have a text-to-speech IM client?
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| 08:12 | <Hyperbyte> Google is your friend. :)
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| 08:12 | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1029385
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| 08:12 | First result
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| 08:12 | (I searched for 'Pidgin text to speech')
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| 08:13 | <johnkershaw> so… 'no' then? without a bunch of work :(
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| 08:13 | I meant 'out of the box'
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| 08:13 | <Hyperbyte> Pidgin is the default IM client nowadays I think, but not sure about Ubuntu.
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| 08:13 | <johnkershaw> ubuntu has a shiny front end, but still too much end-user config methinks :(
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| 08:14 | <Hyperbyte> I don't think what's there on the forum is difficult.
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| 08:14 | <johnkershaw> hahahaha
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| 08:14 | <Hyperbyte> But let's be realistic for a second.
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| 08:14 | <johnkershaw> that's a bit like a brain surgeon commenting on a 'simple procedure'
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| 08:14 | <Hyperbyte> Pidgin makes a sound when a message is received. That should be enough for the average end-user.
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| 08:14 | <johnkershaw> not at all!
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| 08:15 | <Hyperbyte> And the ones that are visually impaired and -need- text-to-speech, will never use a GUI over a terminal program.
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| 08:15 | <johnkershaw> nothing to do with visual impairment
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| 08:15 | no more than having a conversation in real life is about hearing a 'ping' when the person has spoken, and you having to stop what you're doing, turn to them and 'read' what they've said
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| 08:16 | I'm currently writing an email about something else… but each time you 'speak' I hear in 'in the background', much like I would if you were in the room
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| 08:16 | it's a different paradigm
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| 08:16 | once you have it, going back to 'ping' feels like madness
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| 08:16 | <Hyperbyte> You don't know me, I hate computerized voices. =D
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| 08:17 | But who says it's not possible man. How long have you been Googling on the subject? ;)
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| 08:17 | <johnkershaw> not at all
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| 08:17 | <Hyperbyte> Seems like there's a handy plugin for Pidgin too
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| 08:17 | <johnkershaw> still requires a plugin
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| 08:18 | on my adium client I open preferences and tick a checkbox for 'Speak text of messages'
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| 08:18 | there is no step 3
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| 08:18 | <Hyperbyte> gspeaker has plugins for telepathy, pidgin, kopete, amsn....
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| 08:18 | <johnkershaw> no plugin, no script
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| 08:18 | tick the box
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| 08:18 | I'm just saying that, coming from the 'other' end of the world (Mac vs Linux)
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| 08:19 | the ubuntu guys are going round in circles trying to decide whether unity is good or bad
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| 08:19 | regards user experience
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| 08:20 | but they don't 'see' that what's 'normal' to them, in terms of setting up and configuring a machine, app, convo
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| 08:20 | is utter complicated madness to mac users (and probably win, for all I know)
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| 08:21 | a bit like an old car enthusiast who blithely waves his hand at the 'simple' startup routine he employs to get his 1907 BMW running
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| 08:22 | apple work ridiculously hard to make sure things 'seem' very simple
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| 08:22 | <Hyperbyte> Calm down for a second.
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| 08:22 | <johnkershaw> making complicated things straightforward is hard
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| 08:22 | lol - s'okay, I'm not ranting
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| 08:22 | <Hyperbyte> There are different OS'es and different flavors of OS'es for this very reason.
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| 08:22 | One person prefers 'it just works', the other person prefers having lots of tools available for customization.
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| 08:23 | Did you play with LEGO when you were young? ;-)
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| 08:23 | <johnkershaw> indeed - Linux always *was* the purview of gurus
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| 08:23 | and that's fine
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| 08:23 | but
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| 08:23 | linux is now *trying* to be a consumer OS
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| 08:23 | <Hyperbyte> Well "Linux" is a quite general term.
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| 08:23 | <johnkershaw> I'm just saying that their idea of 'consumer-friendly' is not what consumers might assume
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| 08:24 | <Hyperbyte> You mean certain distributions are trying. There lots of Linux variants out there that don't aim for a consumer market at all.
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| 08:24 | <johnkershaw> I'm happy that both ends of the spectrum exist
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| 08:24 | <Hyperbyte> Me too. :)
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| 08:24 | <johnkershaw> there *should* be tiny micro-linuxes that run on a peanut
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| 08:24 | ;)
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| 08:24 | but at the 'consumer' end, it really does have to be no-brain-required
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| 08:25 | with the ability to 'open the hood' if you want to go complex
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| 08:25 | like, on my mac, I can open Terminal and 'fiddle about'
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| 08:25 | in the old Mac OS, that wasn't possible - the gui *was* the OS
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| 08:25 | but Mac OS is a monstrously friendly Unix
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| 08:26 | <Hyperbyte> As interesting as I find it to discuss this with you
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| 08:26 | <johnkershaw> sorry - you're busy
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| 08:26 | my bad :(
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| 08:26 | <Hyperbyte> No
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| 08:26 | <johnkershaw> signing off til I get to school :)
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| 08:26 | <Hyperbyte> I meant more like... let's not do this in the channel. :-)
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| 08:26 | <johnkershaw> aargh! reverse mistake from earlier!
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| 08:27 | <Hyperbyte> You thought you were /msg'ing? :-D Well at least you didn't say something embarrassing.
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| 11:05 | <johnkershaw> hi - I'm now at school and am ready to have a crack at sorting out our fledgling LTSP network (with fat clients?)
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| 11:06 | <johnkershaw> due to not being able to get online with the LTSP machine handling DHCP, I've turned the mac server's DHCP service back on. Can I leave the mac in charge of dhcp and set up proxyDHCP on the LTSP machine to handle letting the clients know where to boot from? (NB I don't know anything about proxyDHCP other than the name!)
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| 11:10 | <Hyperbyte> Heya.
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| 11:11 | You could use ProxyDHCP, but you could also just configure the Mac DHCP server to point to the LTSP server for netbooting
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| 11:12 | This page should help a little: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWindowsDHCP
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| 11:17 | <johnkershaw> yeah, that was my original intention, but the Mac OS 10.4 server's DHCP management panel doesn't expose those kinds of settings:
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| 11:17 | http://web.me.com/jelockwood/MyUtilities/dhcp.html
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| 11:17 | apparently 10.5 does... but that's £400 I'm not likely to spend any time soon
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| 11:18 | can the settings be changed in terminal?
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| 11:18 | presumably the DHCP front-end is literally just a front-end?
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| 11:18 | I'll google 'dhcp mac server 10.4 option codes'
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| 11:20 | <Hyperbyte> I know -nothing- about Mac. :)
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| 11:23 | <Hyperbyte> If you don't get it working, here's an LTSP ProxyDHCP setup page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
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| 11:29 | <johnkershaw> hmm - seems that 10.4 server won't apply/use the DHCP options even if I can write them into the config file.
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| 11:29 | <Hyperbyte> This is Mac you're talking about now, right?
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| 11:29 | <johnkershaw> so... proxyDHCP on the master? if I've got edubuntu 11.04, do I have this dnsmasq thing?
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| 11:30 | <Hyperbyte> Read the wiki page please. :)
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| 11:30 | It's all there.
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| 11:30 | <johnkershaw> (I have a Mac server giving out IP addresses to everyone, including the linux machines. I'd like (I think) the LTSP server to THEN handle the DHCP options side of things)
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| 11:31 | I read the wiki page, as much as I could understand. what's a karmic?
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| 11:31 | <Hyperbyte> To be super helpful and answer your question anyways, even though it's written down on the Wiki, yes, Ubuntu 11.04 comes with dnsmasq
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| 11:31 | Google for 'Ubuntu Karmic' brings this
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| 11:31 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ubuntu_releases
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| 11:31 | :)
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| 11:32 | (I'm trying to get you a bit into the 'do it yourself'-Linux spirit here ;))
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| 11:38 | <johnkershaw> okay, I'll do my best. on the ltsp machine I've opened a terminal (ctrl-alt-T) and typed
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| 11:38 | gksudo gedit /etc/dnsmasq.d/ltsp.conf
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| 11:39 | <Hyperbyte> You could do it the other way around as well by the way... brainwave I just had
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| 11:39 | <johnkershaw> then pasted from the wiki page into the file. anything I need to change in there before I save?
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| 11:39 | <Hyperbyte> Ditch the Mac DHCP server and run it on Linux.
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| 11:40 | Doesn't look like it
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| 11:40 | <johnkershaw> I thought about that too, but the mac server is safe and sound in a wall-mounted rack in my room, whilst the ltsp server will be at the mercy of a room of 7/8 year olds (shudder)
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| 11:44 | <johnkershaw> folder /etc/dnsmasq.d doesn't exist - create it?
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| 11:45 | <markit> hi johnkershaw
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| 11:46 | is not needed for dnsmasq, /etc/dnsmasq.conf is the only one needed
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| 11:46 | the dir is for additional config files, AFAIK
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| 12:02 | <johnkershaw> In the Connections/Ethernet menu item, what does 'Device not managed' mean? I've got 2 NIC ports on the back of this machine, the built-in port was taped up when I got it, and there's a second 3com card but that's the one that says 'Not managed'. If I connect the built-in port I get internet, but it's flaky & slow. If I connect the 'Not managed' port I get nothing.
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| 12:05 | <Hyperbyte> johnkershaw, 'Not managed' means the port isn't managed by network-manager.
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| 12:05 | Basically, there are two ways of configuring network... basic is via /etc/network/interfaces (do a gedit on that file to see)
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| 12:05 | But you can also remove the eth0/eth1 lines from there, and restart your system... that disables the basic configuration, and NetworkManager will take the interface under it's management.
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| 12:06 | If you then go to Connections/Ethernet you can manage it there.
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| 12:06 | It's either one of those though, one or the other. 'Not managed' simply means it's not network manager's interface.
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| 12:06 | <johnkershaw> ah! so if I remove all that stuff we put in the other day (auto eth0... & auto eth0:1... we might be back in business?
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| 12:06 | <Hyperbyte> Dunno.
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| 12:07 | Start by commenting it
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| 12:07 | <johnkershaw> can I comment the lines out with #'s ?
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| 12:07 | <Hyperbyte> Put a # in frotn
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| 12:07 | *front
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| 12:07 | And then reboot, then you can configure all interfaces via NetworkManager... might be easiest for you.
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| 12:08 | <Hyperbyte> I learned all this only yesterday by the way, thanks to the benevolent alkisg. :)
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| 12:14 | <johnkershaw> okay - we're getting further! now the clients EITHER drop into the busybox shell or stick at the edubuntu splash screen
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| 12:15 | <Hyperbyte> So you got DHCP proxy working and your network as well? :)
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| 12:15 | <johnkershaw> I *think* so - I have 3 machines sporting correct IP addresses
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| 12:16 | how do I know if the proxydhcp options have 'taken' ?
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| 12:16 | <Hyperbyte> If it does a network boot they have taken, trust me.
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| 12:16 | <johnkershaw> (other than they'd boot up!)
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| 12:16 | <Hyperbyte> And the server? Can it access the internet and such?
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| 12:17 | <johnkershaw> righto - how do I check whether the 'master' is listening for clients?
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| 12:18 | since they all say "failed to connect to 192.168.0.132' (which ifconfig tells me IS the ltsp machine)
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| 12:18 | * 192.168.0.132:2000
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| 12:18 | <Hyperbyte> Your LTSP machine gets it's IP via DHCP?
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| 12:19 | You have two options.
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| 12:19 | <johnkershaw> yes
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| 12:19 | <Hyperbyte> 1. Set the LTSP server address statically on the server
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| 12:19 | <johnkershaw> (is it important that 2 have the splash screen and 3 have gone into busybox?)
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| 12:19 | <Hyperbyte> 2. Configure the Mac DHCP server to give the same IP to the server everytime.
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| 12:19 | It's IP must -never- change.
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| 12:19 | <johnkershaw> I can do 1 or 2 no problem
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| 12:20 | <Hyperbyte> Not yet, we'll get to that later.
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| 12:20 | :)
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| 12:20 | Stick with DHCP then, it'll configure stuff automatically
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| 12:20 | Like nameservers and such. Set a static IP for the server in your Mac DHCP server.
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| 12:25 | <johnkershaw> kk - I've set the LTSP's MAC address to get 192.168.0.130 and ifconfig reports it's worked
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| 12:27 | <Hyperbyte> Did you already build a client chroot?
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| 12:27 | <johnkershaw> the clients pick up the server, but can't get an NBD from it?
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| 12:27 | I don't recall doing that ;)
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| 12:28 | chroot is something to do with chmod, right?
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| 12:28 | <Hyperbyte> Do ls /opt/ltsp/i386/
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| 12:28 | Is there a filesystem there?
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| 12:28 | <johnkershaw> on client or server?
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| 12:28 | <Hyperbyte> No - chroot has nothing to do with chmod.
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| 12:28 | Server.
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| 12:29 | <johnkershaw> ls /opt/ltsp/i386 returns a bunch of directories (bin, dev, home, media, opt, root, sleinux, sys, usr, boot, etc, lib, mnt, proc, sbin, , srv, tmp, var)
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| 12:29 | <Hyperbyte> Okay
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| 12:29 | !sshkeys | echo johnkershaw
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| 12:29 | <ltsp> johnkershaw sshkeys: If you changed your LTSP server IP on Ubuntu, your clients will be unable to login. To fix this, you need to run: sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys && sudo ltsp-update-image.
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| 12:30 | <johnkershaw> 4%
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| 12:30 | 12%
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| 12:31 | 26%
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| 12:31 | 69%
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| 12:31 | done
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| 12:31 | reboot client?
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| 12:33 | <Hyperbyte> Probably didn't solve your current problem, but yes, reboot a client.
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| 12:33 | <johnkershaw> failed to connect to ...0.130:2000
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| 12:33 | <Hyperbyte> Okay
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| 12:33 | <johnkershaw> (I'm saving this convo for later, btw)
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| 12:34 | <Hyperbyte> johnkershaw, so does http://irclogs.ltsp.org/
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| 12:34 | Port 2000 is what NBD runs on (network block device)... it's the networked filesystem for the clients, which you just saw in /opt/ltsp/i386/
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| 12:34 | <johnkershaw> awesome! I'm saving that link then ;)
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| 12:35 | <Hyperbyte> See if you can connect to NBD locally on the server, type 'telnet localhost 2000'. If it doesn't timeout, use ctrl+] and 'quit' to leave telnet
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| 12:35 | <johnkershaw> so the server HAS it, but it's not giving it to the clients?
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| 12:35 | refused
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| 12:35 | <Hyperbyte> Okay, then the problem lies in NBD.
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| 12:36 | !pastebin | echo johnkershaw
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| 12:36 | <ltsp> johnkershaw pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here..
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| 12:36 | <Hyperbyte> Put your /etc/inetd.conf there.
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| 12:40 | If you need help doing this, say so.
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| 12:41 | <johnkershaw> I've lost internet on the server again :(
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| 12:41 | <Hyperbyte> Okay
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| 12:42 | Do you have a USB stick?
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| 12:42 | <johnkershaw> I can ping the mac server and the gateway, but not google.com
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| 12:42 | <Hyperbyte> Oh
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| 12:42 | So you could send the file via network to some computer and put it on pastebin?
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| 12:43 | Because apart from 'cat /etc/inetd.conf', I'll want the output of 'ifconfig' and 'ip route show'
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| 12:43 | You can put all these in one paste.
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| 12:43 | Run those commands in a terminal, select what you wanna copy, and then press middle mouse button in a text editor
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| 12:43 | <johnkershaw> I'll try usb
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| 12:44 | <Hyperbyte> It'll paste them. From there you can save the file on your network or USB stick, and upload it.
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| 12:45 | <johnkershaw> what's the filepath to my usb stick from terminal?
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| 12:45 | got it
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| 12:46 | / media
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| 12:46 | <Hyperbyte> :)
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| 12:47 | By the way, you are aware of the current LTSP support conditions, right?
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| 12:48 | They should've handed you a copy of those to sign when you joined this channel.
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| 12:49 | <johnkershaw> erm, no?
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| 12:50 | <Hyperbyte> No?
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| 12:50 | It's a very long and tedious legal document, but basically says that you're only elligible for LTSP support if you stick around in the channel afterwards and help others.
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| 12:50 | * Hyperbyte coughs. :) | |
| 12:52 | <johnkershaw> http://pastebin.com/download.php?i=KReg6EwL
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| 12:53 | <Hyperbyte> Did you modify anything inside /opt/ltsp/i386/?
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| 12:53 | <johnkershaw> I'm pretty good with helping ppl - but it'd be nice to know something!
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| 12:54 | don't think so
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| 12:54 | <Hyperbyte> Well that's what we're working on here! ;-) Plus I've found that sticking around here is a great way to pick up lots of useful knowledge. :)
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| 12:54 | Okay...
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| 12:55 | 2000 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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| 12:55 | Add that line to /etc/inetd.conf
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| 12:55 | Dunno why it isn't there.
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| 12:55 | Maybe run
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| 12:55 | ltsp-build-client --arch i386 first
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| 12:55 | That rebuilds the entire LTSP clients
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| 12:55 | -s
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| 12:55 | Might be a good idea, it should automatically do the inetd.conf stuff for you
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| 12:56 | You'll have to rm -rf /opt/ltsp/i386/ first, by the way
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| 12:56 | (that deletes the entire directory)
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| 12:57 | <johnkershaw> maybe enough for today - wife and child have arrived and they want lunch :(
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| 12:57 | I'll pick up when I get back from holiday
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| 12:58 | <Hyperbyte> When is that? :)
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| 12:58 | <johnkershaw> 17th
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| 12:58 | <Hyperbyte> Wow.
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| 12:58 | Where are you going?
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| 12:58 | <johnkershaw> somerset
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| 12:58 | south west of england
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| 12:58 | camping
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| 12:59 | <Hyperbyte> Ah, you're British. Nice. :)
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| 12:59 | Not that far from where I am then. Only a sea in between. And no, I'm not Irish.
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| 12:59 | <johnkershaw> french?
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| 12:59 | <Hyperbyte> Higher.
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| 12:59 | Well, 'norther'. ;-)
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| 13:00 | <johnkershaw> scottish?
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| 13:00 | <Hyperbyte> Noonono.
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| 13:00 | <johnkershaw> norwegian?
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| 13:00 | <Hyperbyte> Lower!
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| 13:00 | lol
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| 13:00 | I'm Dutch.
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| 13:00 | <johnkershaw> aha
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| 13:00 | we have links with a school in holland
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| 13:00 | appeldorn?
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| 13:00 | <Hyperbyte> Apeldoorn. :)
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| 13:00 | <johnkershaw> that too :)
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| 13:00 | <Hyperbyte> Heheh.
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| 13:01 | <- Rotterdam
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| 13:01 | <johnkershaw> seems it's not picking up DNS. should've picked up OpenDNS from the router...
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| 13:01 | ah well. another time. thanks for your help
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| 13:01 | and I will reciprocate (if I can find someone who knows less than me!)
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| 13:01 | <Hyperbyte> That's in /etc/resolv.conf. NetworkManager should've done taht for you.
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| 13:01 | Heheh
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| 13:02 | Sure... see you after your holidays. :)
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| 13:02 | Enjoy yourself.
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| 13:04 | <johnkershaw> (hardcoded dhcp & dns settings into auto ethernet and it's back online!)
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| 13:06 | <Hyperbyte> I think after you do an ltsp-build-client --arch i386, it'll just work.
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| 13:10 | <johnkershaw> okay - trying the rebuild!
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| 13:13 | (using last sliver of wifely patience!)
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| 13:15 | will I still need to add the 2000 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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| 13:15 | or will the rebuild take care of that?
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| 13:18 | <Hyperbyte> It should I think. Not sure.
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| 13:18 | See afterwards.
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| 13:18 | If it took care of it, great. If not, add it.
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| 13:19 | <johnkershaw> does the line start at '2000...' ?
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| 13:21 | <Hyperbyte> Yes. There should be a 2001 line as well
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| 13:22 | There isn't... weird... I wonder what makes the inetd.conf file
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| 13:22 | Either way.
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| 13:22 | No, wait - now I'm confused. You don't need a 2001 line. Just put the 2000 line there on the bottom, if it isn't there yet... that should be it.
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| 13:24 | <johnkershaw> build finished - line 2000 is there
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| 13:25 | yay
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| 13:25 | it works
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| 13:26 | at least, yay-ish
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| 13:26 | the client boots to a default ltsp login screen, not edubuntu
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| 13:26 | but presumably that's no big deal to sort (when I get back from hols, if I'm not divorced!)
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| 13:26 | thanks for everything :)
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| 13:27 | <Hyperbyte> No!
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| 13:27 | LTSP login screen is what you want, not Ubuntu login screen.
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| 13:27 | <johnkershaw> oh. then I have what I want!
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| 13:27 | <Hyperbyte> By the way, the ltsp-build-client --i386 only built a thin client now, not a fat client. I forgot you were running fat clients. But we can sort that out later.
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| 13:28 | <johnkershaw> it's booted into 'ladybird' screen now, using my 'tech' login
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| 13:28 | right - better go.
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| 13:28 | <Hyperbyte> Go! :)
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| 13:28 | Give your wife a hug from me.
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| 15:26 | <pedronveloso> does LTSP support playing music cds ?
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| 15:26 | normal cds mount well, music cds do appear in gnome, but no application seems to be able to recognize them as music cds
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| 15:27 | <Hyperbyte> pedronveloso, LTSP uses ltspfs for mounting filesystems on the client (such as USB disks, CD-ROMs etc)
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| 15:28 | Basically it translates local filesystems over network. I think there's a good chance it's not compatible with music CD's, but someone will smythe me down and correct me if that's the case.
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| 15:29 | I *think* (and I emphasize *think* here because I'm just theorizing, never tried any of this)... but I think it might work with localapps.
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| 15:29 | <pedronveloso> humm.. localapps.. hate setting them :P
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| 15:29 | hehe
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| 15:29 | <Hyperbyte> If you install a CD player as localapp in the chroot, and then run it with ltsp-localapps <program> it might work.
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| 15:29 | pedronveloso, why?
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| 15:29 | <pedronveloso> burning cds doesnt seem to work either :\
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| 15:30 | well, localapps seem to fail to load sometimes. at least Firefox does, don't know the cause exactly as the problem seems arbitrary
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| 15:31 | well, thanks for the info. I've search on google and came across the same information on an old post, I came here because I wondered if it was solved already or if a workaround existed
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| 15:31 | I'll try localapps as a soltution
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| 15:31 | thanks for help Hyperbyte
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| 15:46 | <alkisg> !seen vagrantc
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| 15:46 | <ltsp> alkisg: vagrantc was last seen in #ltsp 5 days, 6 hours, 12 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: * vagrantc waves
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| 15:50 | <alkisg> stgraber: about nbd swap, when is the deadline for 11.10? E.g. if I commited something until 20 Aug, would it make it for oneiric?
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| 16:35 | <markit> hi alkisg :) not ltsp related, but I'm so depressed... kubuntu 11.04, dvi-vga adapter, after grub menu screeb becomes black and never comes back. Ssh in it shows is alive, not got useful info from X.log. If I use dvi directly works. Of course, ActiveBoard has only VGA
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| 16:35 | <Hyperbyte> DVI-VGA adapters are nothing but trouble.
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| 16:35 | <markit> any idea? Just a shot in the dark is fine too... Intel Intel GMA X4500
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| 16:36 | Hyperbyte: kubuntu 10.10 on same hardware and adapter worked fine
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| 16:36 | but I have to use 11.04 since some packages are only for that version
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| 16:37 | if I boot from livecd it works, even if at 1024x768 instead of 1280x1024
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| 16:37 | <alkisg> And when did it stop working? Right after the initial installation?
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| 16:38 | Or you tried changing stuff, e.g. putting vga=xx in grub or other experiments?
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| 16:39 | <markit> alkisg: well, is 2 days I'm fighting, I don't even remember... probably never, I installed with "get updated package" flag
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| 16:39 | <markit> but since it does not have openssh-server, probably worked until I did a "full-upgrade"
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| 16:40 | I have not modified grub, I tried to remove -video-intel package but does not use framebuffer
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| 16:40 | ksm disturbs vesa drivers
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| 16:41 | and I'm not an expert of X, ksm, etc stuff
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| 16:41 | <alkisg> If the live cd worked, I wonder why it broke on upgrade
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| 16:41 | Anyway time to go - bb all
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| 16:42 | <markit> wondering if a hdmi to vga adapter exists
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| 16:42 | <Hyperbyte> I think so
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| 16:42 | I think it'll give the same problem.
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| 16:43 | I'm no expert, least of all with this, but I think the DVI adapter confuses Linux with the modes it can set for the monitor.
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| 16:46 | <markit> so I could put a xorg.conf with the right settings?
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| 16:46 | well, I've no idea of the parameters I could put there
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| 16:47 | would be nice being able to boot with dvi, have a command that dumps the current config and use it with vga
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| 16:48 | to be sincere is not completery black
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| 16:48 | I've a 3 cm line of blue pixels on the topper left
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| 16:48 | top left :)
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| 16:49 | I've to run now, see you later, I'm so depressed... wasting a lot of time, and not sure to be able to make it work
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| 16:49 | what a shame :(
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| 16:50 | <abeehc> hdmi to vga is not a passive adapter and in my experience can't do widescreen res
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| 16:51 | it's not ideal
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| 16:51 | hdmi to dvi is good, i think you need dual link dvi though
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| 16:56 | <Hyperbyte> Personally, I think you're better off buying a screen with the right connectors. :)
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| 16:56 | But that might be rubbing salt in it, sorry.
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| 17:00 | <abeehc> i think converting hdmi bumps into lame hdcp stuff and really lame protection like that i'd avoid entirely if possible
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| 17:00 | that's not coherent .. need more coffee
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| 17:30 | <Damianos> just out of curiosity, when manually installing LTSP onto a system, how does ltsp know where to get the OS files from when using the --dist option?
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| 17:32 | <dave429> when running ltsp-build-client I get that libpopt0 is corrupted on one server. The other servers do not get this error. Very confused. I am behind a proxy.
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| 17:45 | <knipwim> Damianos: is --dist only used in Ubuntu and Debian?
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| 17:46 | <Damianos> Might be - I saw it on the ubuntuLTSP wiki
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| 17:47 | I'm checking out a new ubuntu variant called elementaryOS. nice UI and really light weight. Thought it might be perfect for thin clients
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| 17:48 | so I'm testing it out on a VM right now and I can't log in. Had some hiccups with the ltsp-build-client phase
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| 17:49 | <knipwim> Damianos: i see the $DIST option being called in the Ubuntu 010-debootstrap plugin
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| 17:49 | used as an argument for the debootstrap command
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| 17:50 | so probably the debootstrap command figures it out
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| 17:50 | <Damianos> ok great
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| 17:50 | thanks:)
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| 18:50 | <knipwim> i'm wondering why the 001-set-dist plugin is in common and not just in Ubuntu, Debian and Altlinux
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| 18:50 | it appears to be distro specific
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| 18:51 | and moved there in a time when Debian and Ubuntu were the only distros
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| 22:54 | <Hyperbyte> akljlasjfowef
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| 22:55 | <nubae> yo Hyperbyte
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| 23:08 | <Hyperbyte> Hey!
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| 23:08 | Just off to bed... g'night. :)
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