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05:16 | <alkisg> vagrantc: Hello! You said you'd work on finding good names for RM_SERVICES etc :P
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05:16 | * alkisg will implement that today, and then do a thourough precise ltsp testing | |
05:21 | <alkisg> Ah vagrantc btw I renamed "-d", i.e. --mount-dev-pts, to "-t", because of the new "--mount-dev" I introduced to ltsp-chroot, hope it's not much of a problem
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05:22 | And also, if you have input about making NBD_NAMED the default... do you need NBD_INETD for backwards compatibility, or can we just remove the ltsp-update-image code that updates inetd?
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05:24 | * _UsUrPeR_ tips his hat | |
05:24 | <_UsUrPeR_> good evening folks
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05:24 | <alkisg> Hi _UsUrPeR_
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05:24 | <_UsUrPeR_> I would like to state, for the record, that as of Monday, I will no longer be associated with disklessworkstations.com
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05:25 | <alkisg> Oh... will you continue to work with ltsp systems? Or will you move on to other areas?
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05:25 | <_UsUrPeR_> it has been a wonderful experience, and it great to speak with all of you. I will still be around, just not in the official capacity I once was.
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05:26 | I am more than happy to assist and mess around with LTSP as time permits.
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05:28 | * alkisg wishes all the best to _UsUrPeR_ and leaves to get his kids to school :) | |
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05:53 | <haba713> hi! is should install ltsp to suse linux enterprise server 11. however, the repository http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/server:/ltsp/openSUSE_11.1/ is not available anymore. where can i find it from?
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06:14 | <haba713> hmm... i think i got it installed
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06:15 | but not yet configured.
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06:16 | now, can i configure it to serve my win 7 remote desktop client? what i need is my normal linux desktop shared with remote desktop protocol. no thin client suppot like pxe booting or so...
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06:21 | <vagrantc> haba713: rdesktop or freerdp is what you're looking for
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06:21 | rdesktop has been around longer, freerdp has seen more recent development
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06:22 | <haba713> i know rdesktop client but has it server also?
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06:26 | what i need is a remote desktop server for linux. i'm not sure if such a thing is available. :P
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06:27 | we currently use vnc but i think that remote desktop protocol performs better and needs no separate client installed in windows desktops.
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06:29 | <vagrantc> i forget what it's called, but there is an rdp server for linux
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06:30 | <haba713> i think i found it: http://www.xrdp.org/
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06:30 | <vagrantc> xrdp
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06:30 | yup
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06:31 | <haba713> vagrantc: thank you for your time! i wish all the best to ltsp which seems to be interesting but not for my purpose.
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06:31 | bye!
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06:32 | <vagrantc> good luck!
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06:52 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I'm thinking of removing support for inetd in ltsp-update-image, do you need it for backwards compatibility?
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06:53 | <alkisg> (actually I was just going to make NBD_NAMED the default, but stgraber pointed -correctly- that there's no point in keeping inetd support...)
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07:11 | * alkisg thinks the ltsp-update-image short/long options are very mixed up in the getopt call... | |
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07:24 | <alkisg> Yup, it's broken: $ ltsp-update-image -d /srv
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07:24 | /usr/sbin/ltsp-update-image: invalid option -- 'd'
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07:24 | So I'll change the short option letters to better map with the long letters too
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07:49 | <alkisg> vagrantc: pushed the change for nbd-named, I'm moving to RM_AUTOSTART, RM_SERVICES etc. Should I put them to common/ or to Ubuntu + put symlinks?
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07:50 | <alkisg> (err ok you know what I meant :D)
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09:14 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i'll sleep on it. :)
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09:14 | <alkisg> vagrantc: hehe, too late
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09:14 | When you wake up I'll be done, so do any changes you want later on :)
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09:15 | <vagrantc> in general, i'd like to keep backports as backwards compatible as possible (i.e. the current debian stable release doesn't support named exports, although it might not be difficult to backport NBD)
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09:16 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I left inetd support there, I just made named exports the default
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09:17 | So --openbsd-inetd updates inetd.conf
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09:17 | (I'd prefer --inetd, but -i was taken)
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09:17 | (and also it separates it from xinetd)
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09:18 | But for code readability, we should remove all that port/inetd based configuration stuff in some later version
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09:18 | ...and probably we should use nbd-server/conf.d instead of writing nbd-server/config
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10:37 | <alkisg> I just completed the change from RC_WHITELIST to RM_SYSTEM_SERVICES, if anyone knows his way around the ltsp trunk it'd be nice if he could check the disabled services list.
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12:58 | * [GuS] Good Morning | |
12:58 | * muppis Good afternoon | |
12:58 | <_UsUrPeR_> morning
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12:59 | <[GuS]> Guys, any idea why latest LTSP5 on gentoo is reading the lts.conf from the chroot instead of the tftpboot dir?
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13:02 | <_UsUrPeR_> [GuS]: I am incredulous. I have never used LTSP with a gentoo installation, actually, I have never even used gentoo, but the implementers couldn't have screwed up LTSP on it that bad :)
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13:02 | <[GuS]> :P
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13:02 | <_UsUrPeR_> are you 100% sure that it's using /opt/ltsp/i386/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf?
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13:02 | <[GuS]> Well, I had one older version of LTSP5 and was reading the conf file from the tftpboot folder...
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13:03 | _UsUrPeR_: /opt/ltsp/x86/etc/lts.conf. Yes i am sure
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13:03 | <_UsUrPeR_> oh. Okay. I think that's a version of LTSP I have never used
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13:03 | may be ltsp4.2?
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13:03 | <[GuS]> No..
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13:04 | is LTSP5
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13:04 | <_UsUrPeR_> huh
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13:05 | I've gotta say, I am not sure who is responsible for LTSP in gentoo., but you should be able to find an answer here somewhere.
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13:10 | <[GuS]> I wil have to ask knipwim when is there, He was helping me these days :)
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13:15 | <khildin> try a proper distro to run LTSP on..... ;D
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13:15 | * khildin runs | |
13:15 | <khildin> ^^
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13:15 | <[GuS]> khildin: is in the copany i work... so.... No.
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13:16 | We use Gentoo in all servers here.
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13:26 | <knipwim-work> [GuS]: you are talking about 5.2.19?
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13:26 | <[GuS]> knipwim-work: .18
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13:27 | <knipwim-work> so far as i can recollect, no changes have been made in the lts.conf download behaviour
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13:27 | <[GuS]> weird :S
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13:27 | is the second server that happens to me
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13:29 | <Stefan544> Hi, I have a question about installing packages with apt-get (debian 6) inside chrooted ltsp build. Any one out there interested in helping me?
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13:30 | <knipwim-work> [GuS]: do you see a tftp download attempt in the server log when the client is booting?
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13:30 | <_UsUrPeR_> Stefan544: I'll take a swing at it
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13:30 | <Stefan544> thanks :)
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13:30 | <Hyperbyte> For future references Stefan544....
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13:30 | !ask
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13:30 | <ltsp`> Hyperbyte: ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least 15 minutes after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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13:30 | <Hyperbyte> :)
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13:30 | <[GuS]> knipwim-work: of lts.conf? let me check
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13:30 | <Stefan544> !ask
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13:30 | <ltsp`> Stefan544: ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least 15 minutes after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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13:31 | <knipwim-work> _UsUrPeR_: btw, i'm responsible for gentoo ltsp5 nowadays :)
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13:31 | <Stefan544> =)
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13:31 | <Hyperbyte> :)
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13:31 | <_UsUrPeR_> well alright then. what's up with the lts.conf in the ltsp image /etc folder? :)
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13:31 | <Stefan544> I am trying to install some packages needed to compile latest freerdp from source
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13:32 | <_UsUrPeR_> Stefan544: I know where you're going with this
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13:32 | <Stefan544> but I'm getting error from apt-get.. dependency problem
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13:32 | <_UsUrPeR_> DO NOT COMPILE IN THE CHROOT
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13:32 | <Stefan544> hm ok
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13:32 | <knipwim-work> the only thing i can think of is it tries to download it from tftp, and uses the fallback location on the chroot when that fails
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13:32 | <_UsUrPeR_> here's what you do:
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13:32 | * [GuS] booting | |
13:32 | <_UsUrPeR_> get an i386 machine with the same kernel version
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13:32 | <Hyperbyte> _UsUrPeR_, I believe the /etc/lts.conf in the chroot is used for NFS implementations. It's not needed with NBD.
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13:32 | <_UsUrPeR_> aah
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13:33 | <knipwim-work> [GuS]: i had some issues with my tftp client, and had to use curl for downloading the lts.conf
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13:33 | <_UsUrPeR_> Stefan544: get an i386-capable machine with the same kernel version, and build freerdp in there.
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13:33 | Stefan544: when you have successfully compiled freerdp, use checkingstall to create a .deb package
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13:33 | Stefan544: you can then just copy the .deb package in to the ltsp image, and run it in the chroot
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13:34 | Stefan544: does that make sense?
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13:34 | <Stefan544> Ok, well in that case, why not in THE machine "hosting" ltsp..? You mean that after I have compiled it in a machine with same kernel and architecture, just copy the whole program folder into the ltsp build and then run "ltsp-update-image" ?
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13:35 | <_UsUrPeR_> Stefan544: that could work too, yeah. As long as the program folder is working properly
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13:36 | <Stefan544> Ok, thanks. I will do some testing and get back here again if it fails.
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13:36 | <_UsUrPeR_> Stefan544: I normally serve LTSP on a 64-bit arch, so I always have to do this on a separate machine
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13:36 | <[GuS]> knipwim-work: there is no attempt to download that file
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13:36 | <Stefan544> Oh, okay. I'm running a vmware 32-bit machine.
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13:37 | <_UsUrPeR_> Stefan544: for the record, I was testing freerdp myself about a month ago. The people in #freerdp are great, and willing to help. Remember, the newer version is still in beta, so it could be kind of screwey
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13:37 | Stefan544: however, I was able to get freerdp working
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13:37 | <knipwim-work> [GuS]: what client version are you using
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13:37 | <[GuS]> knipwim-work: of tftp?
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13:38 | <knipwim-work> ltsp-client
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13:38 | <Stefan544> Ok, thanks. They released 1.0.1 just hours ago, and it seems to work pretty good. With video acceleration and network level authentication.
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13:38 | <[GuS]> knipwim-work: i am using 5.2.18-r2... dont know is the same version of the client... which i am sure it is.
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13:39 | <Hyperbyte> [GuS], Gentoo uses NFS, correct? Rather than NBD?
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13:39 | <knipwim-work> Hyperbyte: yup
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13:39 | <[GuS]> Hyperbyte: yep
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13:39 | <Hyperbyte> Then doesn't it also use lts.conf from the chroot image, rather than TFTP?
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13:39 | Well "image", chroot folder.
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13:40 | <[GuS]> The older version of LTSP5 i was using was raeding it from tftpboot folder.
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13:40 | reading*
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13:40 | Now i dont know what changed.
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13:43 | <knipwim-work> [GuS]: i don't know either
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13:43 | especially since it's working for me
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13:44 | <[GuS]> :(
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13:44 | <knipwim-work> also, i can't really help now since i'm at work
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13:44 | and my home server is still dead
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13:44 | <[GuS]> knipwim-work: no problem :)
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13:45 | <knipwim-work> however, i'm free in a couple of hours
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13:47 | <[GuS]> Is not problem to have it inside chroot... just a problem if i forget to backup it when deleting the chroot for any reason :P
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13:48 | <knipwim-work> kk, so you can work for now :)
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13:48 | <[GuS]> yep
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13:48 | knipwim-work: thanks
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13:49 | <andygraybeal> greeets to all :)
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13:52 | <[GuS]> o/
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15:41 | <stgraber> alkisg: hey there, are you ready for another PPA upload of the current trunk or is there more you want to do in it before that?
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15:41 | <alkisg> stgraber: in 3 hours please, let me upload an LTSP_CLIENT_MAC and a few others
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15:41 | stgraber: can you upload ldm too? That'll need a small change in X50-generate-env of ldm
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15:42 | <stgraber> alkisg: would be best to wait for vagrant for ldm, he's supposed to upload a new one to Debian today
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15:42 | <alkisg> Ah, ok, yup that's fine
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15:42 | <stgraber> alkisg: so make sure he gets that change in his upload too
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15:43 | <alkisg> stgraber: if you have some time, get a quick look at the disabled services
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15:43 | <stgraber> (he's not planning on tagging a new trunk, he'll just copy some changes manually)
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15:43 | <alkisg> ...so that I do the testing afterwards
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15:43 | stgraber: also, please delete the upstart reboot/shutdown scripts, so that I test if nbd sendsigs is now working
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15:44 | (now == that we don't disable that service)
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16:00 | <stgraber> alkisg: ok, next upload won't have the upstart jobs
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16:07 | <mgariepy> alkisg, quick question, is the nbd-server able to handle updates of chroot ?
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16:14 | <alkisg> mgariepy: I haven't looked at the code, but I think that in theory, if the updated chroot has the same name, the server shouldn't have a problem assigning the new image to the newly booted clients
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16:15 | <alkisg> If the updated chroot has a different file name, then I think an nbd-server restart is required
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16:16 | <frederickjh> Hi all! I am getting an error running pipewalker and the same running glxgears on the ltsp clients. X Error of failed request: BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation) Major opcode of failed request: 136 (DRI2) Minor opcode of failed request: 1 (DRI2Connect) Serial number of failed request: 19
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16:17 | Anyone have any idea what is causing this? I saw some stuff regarding DRI but have no idea where to start looking.
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16:17 | By the way pipewalker and glxgears run fine on the server.
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16:19 | <alkisg> frederickjh: are those localapps or normal apps running on the server?
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16:19 | <frederickjh> normal apps running on the server.
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16:19 | <alkisg> 3d apps don't work well over the network
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16:19 | <frederickjh> I do have some localapps setup but not these.
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16:19 | <alkisg> You'd better install any 3d apps you want as localapps
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16:20 | <frederickjh> ok,
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16:20 | <alkisg> (or switch to fat clients, if it suits you)
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16:20 | If the client card supports it, it's possible to have 3d apps running on thin clients, but they'll go slow
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16:25 | <frederickjh> ok, thanks for the heads up.
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16:57 | <alkisg> stgraber: I'm ready. I'm sure after the testing we'll need some changes, e.g. to remove Ubuntu/50-sendsigs as it should be handled by the nbd service, but it'll be easier to check them all with new ldm/ltsp packages.
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16:57 | <epaphus> hello all.. been a while. hello alkisg :)
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16:57 | <alkisg> Hi epaphus
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16:58 | <stgraber> alkisg: ok, I'll upload a new ltsp in a few minutes
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17:02 | alkisg: uploaded
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17:03 | <alkisg> Thanks, will try building a new fat client chroot tomorrow, with extensive tests
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17:10 | <stgraber> alkisg: ok, packages should be ready in 20min or so
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18:59 | <mgariepy> stgraber, dans ltsp-client-core init-bottoms/ltsp c'est normal ? ou juste une typo ?
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19:01 | <stgraber> mgariepy: ça ressemble à un typo
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19:02 | mgariepy: tu as vu ça où? (je ne le vois pas dans ltsp-trunk)
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19:02 | ah, packaging I guess
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19:02 | right, fixing, will re-upload
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19:03 | <mgariepy> hey j'ai une nouvelle version de nbd-proxy en cours de test
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19:03 | est-ce que tu peux l'inclure ?
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19:03 | <stgraber> pousse dans trunk
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19:04 | et je vais rebase sur le nouveau turnk
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19:04 | uploadé avec le typo fix for now
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19:05 | <stgraber> oh, thought we were in #revolutionlinux, I guess we should continue in English ;)
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19:06 | <mgariepy> lol yeah sorry guys haha
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19:06 | <stgraber> hey vagrantc
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19:07 | not sure if alkisg told you already but he's pushed another change to ldm-trunk that should be in your next upload (something to do with fat clients IIRC)
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19:07 | <vagrantc> how's it going?
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19:07 | <stgraber> pretty good, busy time though :) you?
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19:08 | <vagrantc> fixin to upload ltsp 5.3 today :)
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19:10 | <stgraber> I believe ltsp is still pretty broken, I just pushed a new snapshot and will upload yet another one once mgariepy lands the new nbd-proxy
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19:10 | <vagrantc> oh cool. that's a good change.
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19:10 | <vagrantc> oh.
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19:10 | <stgraber> alkis' plan is to do some more testing of the packages tomorrow, hopefully we'll have something usable in ltsp-trunk by Tuesday-ish
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19:10 | <vagrantc> :(
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19:10 | <stgraber> so I'd wait for 5.3 ;) ldm should be good to go though
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19:11 | <vagrantc> it was working pretty good for me last november ... planning on going with NFS+aufs+tmpfs for /
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19:11 | <stgraber> cool, yeah, that'd be much closer to what we have in Ubuntu so we'll now have the same bugs ;)
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19:13 | <vagrantc> i still wonder if i shouldn't go with NBD...
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19:14 | <stgraber> what was the reason for sticking with nfs?
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19:15 | <vagrantc> it's a lot easier to maintain, in my experience.
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19:15 | <stgraber> right, modifying the chroot and having the changes apply immediately is kind of nice
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19:16 | <vagrantc> and having to explain ltsp-update-image, not editing lts.conf in place, all that mess.
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19:16 | that said, NBD definitely has better performance
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19:17 | although with the new initramfs code, it's easier to switch back and forth...
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19:17 | so it'll be easier for people to decide...
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19:17 | <stgraber> yep
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19:17 | <vagrantc> might even be able to switch back and forth on a per boot basis... which would be nice for development testing.... but then switch to NBD once everything is set up.
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19:18 | <stgraber> should be easily doable, it's really just a matter of having both installed and changing the tftp entry
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19:19 | <vagrantc> right... wonder if there's an easier way pre-tftp
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19:20 | <stgraber> we might be able to abuse dhcp for that ;) or make the init scripts do the right thing and fallback to nfs if nbd isn't available
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19:21 | <vagrantc> ok. i'll get ldm uploaded and then we'll see what i can do with LTSP today.
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19:22 | <stgraber> ok. Would be nice to have trunk tested on both Ubuntu and Debian before we tag 5.3, just so we don't need to tag 5.3.1 a day later ;)
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19:23 | <vagrantc> yeah, i should have time to work on it today and monday
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19:23 | you've got a fairly hard deadline of tuesday for ubuntu?
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19:24 | <stgraber> I need to upload ltsp on Thursday at the latest but I'd prefer to have a few days to spare
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19:25 | if Thursday works better for you, I can deal with tagging 5.3 on Wednesday night / Thursday morning and uploading it then
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19:25 | <vagrantc> i hope to have it in good shape for debian by today or monday at the latest :)
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19:45 | <mgariepy> Pushed up to revision 2011.
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19:45 | almost this year revision :)
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19:46 | <vagrantc> hah
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19:46 | <mgariepy> nbd-proxy have a small issue when reconnecting. but francois-denis will fix it soon.
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19:47 | <vagrantc> nbd--proxy is disabled by default now, yes?
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19:47 | highvoltage: and presuming i get all that done.,, ltsp-cluster* :)
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19:48 | <mgariepy> vagrantc, yes :)
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19:49 | <vagrantc> nbd-proxy mostly had issues with slower clients?
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19:50 | <mgariepy> the first release had issues with dual core processor
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19:52 | the second one is working extremely well with port based export, i haven't had issue with the fixed one. (i don't have <64M client either)
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19:57 | <mgariepy> and from the tests i made with port based exports, i had almost no difference for performance when using it.
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20:31 | <stgraber> mgariepy: I guess you want a new PPA upload with these commits?
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20:43 | <vagrantc> ok, ldm is pretty good.
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20:49 | ok, uploading ldm
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20:55 | <stgraber> cool, I'll monitor and sync in Ubuntu when it's available in the repository
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20:57 | <vagrantc> although i didn't really test the new features, it's a small code change and didn't break the defaults.
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21:06 | <vagrantc> now, to test ltsp...
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21:36 | <vagrantc> something's either messed up with my build environment or messed up with ltsp-trunk
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21:38 | <vagrantc> seems more likely my build environment ... it's saying things i've patched from debian/patches are differences from the upstream source...
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21:39 | oh-ho! my tarball script is borked.
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21:53 | <mgariepy> stgraber, not really now, nbd-proxy is broken i can wait your next uplaod.
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21:55 | <vagrantc> meh. recommending rsyslog pulls in a mail server...
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21:57 | <alkisg> mgariepy, vagrantc: stgraber proposed to completely remove support for inetd, do you still need that?
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21:57 | * alkisg thinks we should be using nbd-server/conf.d... | |
21:58 | <alkisg> Hrm anyways it's late here, 'night all, will do some extensive tests tomorrow.
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21:59 | <vagrantc> i've used it in the past...
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22:00 | well, first run didn't go so well.
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22:04 | <mgariepy> I might need inetd, depending on name based export chroot updates..
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22:17 | <vagrantc> stgraber: so, it seems debian will ship with aufs (no idea about overlayfs) ... would it be back for the initramfs hooks to force_load both aufs and overlayfs for you?
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22:18 | <stgraber> vagrantc: doesn't the current initramfs hook work with both already?
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22:19 | <vagrantc> stgraber: yes, it works with both, but doesn't include the aufs module.
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22:19 | <stgraber> ah, what happens to force_load if the module doesn't exist?
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22:19 | <vagrantc> stgraber: it complains that it doesn't exist
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22:19 | the it still runs...
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22:19 | <stgraber> does it still work though?
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22:19 | ok, good
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22:19 | aufs was entirely removed from Ubuntu, so as long as it doesn't make update-initramfs fail, I'm fine.
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22:22 | <vagrantc> think it should work fine... we could also add some more conditional logic to check if the module is present and only load it in those cases...
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22:23 | got some weird issue where //etc/hosts ends up with a line "server server"
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22:23 | <muppis> :D
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22:29 | <vagrantc> stgraber: i guess i could just drop another hook in there for debian to force_load aufs instead of forcing it upstream.
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22:29 | although for backportability, probably easier to have both work
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22:32 | <vagrantc> seems like the client hostname thing is using a different numbering scheme
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22:40 | <vagrantc> use "sed -i -e" *not* "sed -ie"
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22:40 | it behaves differently, and is rarely what you meant.
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22:47 | <vagrantc> meh. someone broke the mirror parsing code :(
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22:50 | <vagrantc> huh... i last touched the add_mirrors function in early 2010...
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23:00 | oh, i think it was the script i was using to pass the arguments.
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23:25 | <vagrantc> hmmmm...
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23:25 | new hostname setting code always defaults to ltsp0 for me.
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23:44 | <vagrantc> something is setting the SERVER variable before the code that detects the server is run...
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23:57 | huh. for some reason NBD_ROOT_HOST is set to something...
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23:58 | it's set to "server"
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