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Channel log from 26 June 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:14 | <garbat> Blank to all. I have a problem with Thin Client Manager with Ubuntu 7,04 and a configuration with ltsp-5. When I open the Screen window viewer not me appears the shielded one of the thin client and they give the following error to me: to install x11vnc. I have tried to install the package in the chroot but the problem remains
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| 01:14 | <meeri> does anyone has experience with sound @ the clients ltsp4.2 or NVIDIA onboard graphics
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| 03:52 | <garbat> blank to all. I have a problem with thin client manager of ubuntu 7,04 with system ltsp-5. When I open the card screen viewer me does not appear the display of the thin client and it says me to install x11vnc. I have tried to install the package in the chroot but the problem remains the same one
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| 04:20 | <seveneleven> Hello everybody !
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| 06:42 | <meeri> hi
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| 06:54 | I´m havin a problem here with the resolution of a TFT display. I specified 1280x1024 and X_HORZSYNC = 64 and X_VERTREFRESH= 60 xorg.log AddScreen/Scrren Init failed for driver0
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| 06:55 | <vagrantc> how did you specify 1280x1024 ?
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| 06:58 | <meeri> X_MODE_0 = 1280x1024
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| 06:59 | <vagrantc> do you know what type of video card you have? what driver it uses ?
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| 07:00 | <ogra> if its a TFT it should report the resolution properly, sounds like its using vesa
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| 07:00 | * vagrantc farts around in sevilla for another day | |
| 07:00 | <ogra> enjoy the weather :)
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| 07:01 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 07:01 | fortunately, it was still cool when i got here, and found a hostel pretty easily.
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| 07:02 | <meeri> I810 chipset with onboard graphic
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| 07:02 | <ogra> it got quite cool in germany the last days
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| 07:02 | meeri, that will need you to install 915resolution
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| 07:02 | i810 doesnt work properly without it
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| 07:04 | <meeri> who can I do that?
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| 07:04 | how
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| 07:04 | sorry
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| 07:06 | <ogra> cou chroot into /opt/ltsp/i386 and install the package for it with apt
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| 07:06 | (assuming you use ltsp5 here)
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| 07:06 | with 4.x i dont think there is an easy way
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| 07:07 | <meeri> using 4.2 here
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| 07:08 | it works with other clients
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| 07:08 | <ogra> indeed
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| 07:08 | <meeri> but not with this hardware
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| 07:08 | <ogra> but it doesnt have 915resolution included
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| 07:08 | <meeri> hm
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| 07:08 | how hard is it to get 915 into 4.2
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| 07:09 | <ogra> you likely have to recompile everything, but i'm not a 4.2 expert, wait for sbalneav or jammcq to show up
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| 07:09 | (nobody works on 4.x anymore, so the knowledge solwly fades)
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| 07:10 | * ogra goes for a break before testing the next edubuntu isos | |
| 07:11 | <ogra> bbl
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| 07:12 | <meeri> so i810 is not gd for 1280x1024
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| 07:23 | <meeri> ha, another one, I have ALSA installed and need a driver for a SoundMAX ADI soundcard
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| 07:58 | <mhterres> hi guys
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| 07:58 | <meeri> ohi
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| 07:59 | do u know where to find the correct sync settings for a TFT 1024x768
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| 07:59 | <ogra> meeri, again ... your driver wont support more without 915resolution installed
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| 08:00 | <meeri> yeah but I had 1024x768 in the morning and know I´m sticking with 800600
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| 08:01 | I hate these 10 clients, have to get rid of them
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| 08:01 | <ogra> nah
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| 08:01 | use a decent ltsp on them ;)
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| 08:02 | ltsp5 has no probs with installing additional software inside client systems
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| 08:02 | <meeri> I will upgrade to ltsp5, but this is my final project for this class
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| 08:02 | <ogra> and with the i810 you even have 3D support thats faster than running it locally, compiz is a breeze on such graphics boards
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| 08:02 | even on ltsp
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| 08:02 | <meeri> hehe
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| 08:02 | * vagrantc laments unprepared and rushed talks | |
| 08:03 | <ogra> or s/even/especially/
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| 08:03 | vagrantc, where is the recording of your talk ?
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| 08:03 | * vagrantc hides the recordings | |
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| 08:03 | <jammcq> g'morning
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| 08:04 | * vagrantc waves | |
| 08:05 | <ogra> hey jammcq
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| 08:05 | * jammcq wonders where in the world vagrantc is these days | |
| 08:05 | <rjune__> is that like where in the world is carmen sandiego?
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| 08:05 | <jammcq> ogra: mark responded to that email very nicely
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| 08:05 | rjune__: same thing, only different
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| 08:05 | <vagrantc> jammcq: back to sevilla
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| 08:06 | <jammcq> wow
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| 08:06 | <vagrantc> jammcq: head back to the US tomorrow morning
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| 08:06 | <ogra> jammcq, mdz told me i should tell you to forward to him ... but thats obsolete now it seems :)
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| 08:06 | <jammcq> they actually let you back into spain, eh?
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| 08:06 | ogra: I did forward to him too
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| 08:06 | <ogra> vagrantc, so when does your job start now
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| 08:06 | ?
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| 08:06 | <vagrantc> jammcq: they barely looked at me
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| 08:07 | <ogra> jammcq, thats what i assumed after our private talk yesterday :)
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| 08:07 | <vagrantc> ogra: it's kind of up in the air
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| 08:07 | <ogra> still ?
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| 08:07 | i thought you signed already
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| 08:07 | <vagrantc> well, the UK immigration issues were before then
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| 08:07 | * vagrantc needs to learn english | |
| 08:08 | <vagrantc> still need to find out just how long i can't reenter the UK
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| 08:11 | <rjune__> why can't you go into the UK?
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| 08:32 | <ms1> hello
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| 08:33 | I had been having trouble with a blank white screen on a client for a edubuntu 7.04 installation
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| 08:33 | so I decidided to wipe everything clean and start over again
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| 08:34 | so, I just reinstalled the edubuntu server but I get nothing on the client now...
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| 08:34 | <mistik1> !greyscreen
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| 08:34 | <ltspbot> mistik1: "greyscreen" is No login, and only a grey screen? See http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Troubleshooting-GrayScreen
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| 08:34 | <ogra> mistik1, edubuntu doesnt support XDMCP ---
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| 08:34 | ...
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| 08:34 | <ms1> I have read articles that with 7.04 ltsp should be painless .....
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| 08:34 | not a gray screen ...
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| 08:34 | <ogra> so that wont help unless he fiddled with lts.conf
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| 08:35 | <ms1> just a blank blinkking cursor ...
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| 08:35 | <mistik1> ogra: sorry, I've not run any of the new stuff now
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| 08:36 | <ms1> I thought LTSP5 with edubuntu should run oyut of the box ...
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| 08:36 | <ogra> ms1, it does for many many people
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| 08:36 | <ms1> more of an issue - I dońt know how to troubleshoot...
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| 08:36 | <ogra> sad that you wiped it
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| 08:36 | <ms1> is there a log that the client dumps to ?
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| 08:37 | <ogra> look in 7var/log/syslog
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| 08:37 | it should get logged on the server
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| 08:37 | <ms1> well .. now that I have a clean new install ... it should be easier - or so I think :-)
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| 08:37 | <ogra> the only exception is Xorg and ldm, they log directly on the client
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| 08:38 | <ms1> syslog just stops at the dhcp stuff
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| 08:39 | ctrl-alt-F8 on the client has last msg :
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| 08:39 | Startting NBD client process: Connecting...Activating...nbd-client
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| 08:40 | <ogra> thats fine, it means your boot went through
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| 08:40 | <ms1> in syslog the last msg is : nbd-server[6691]: size of exported file/device is 33554432
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| 08:40 | <ogra> nbd-client is started after ldm ....
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| 08:41 | right so your client mounted a swapfile from the server
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| 08:41 | <ms1> but I did not get a ldm login window on client ..
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| 08:41 | <ogra> alt-f7 has nothing ?
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| 08:42 | <ms1> no...in my case it is alt-F3, since my lts has SCREEN03=ldm
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| 08:42 | alt-F3 has a blinking cursor
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| 08:44 | <ogra> SCREEN03=ldm ???
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| 08:44 | could you please boot with either the default shipped file or without oine ?
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| 08:44 | <ms1> SCREEN_03 ..sorry typo
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| 08:44 | <ogra> SCREEN03=ldm is definately not recognized
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| 08:44 | ah, k
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| 08:45 | but please try it first without fiddling with the file
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| 08:45 | its only needed for overrides
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| 08:45 | <ms1> tried .. same result ..
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| 08:45 | <ogra> you dont need it to get the clients going
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| 08:47 | <ms1> another thing - when I try to login at the alt-F1, I am unable to - even tho I can log in at the server ...
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| 08:49 | <ms1> shouldn I be able to login at the shell ?
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| 08:49 | on the client ..
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| 08:50 | <ogra> no+
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| 08:50 | there are no users in a client chroot and root is locked
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| 08:51 | you can set a password for root there
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| 08:51 | run: sudo /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd
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| 08:51 | on the server
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| 08:51 | to lock it again just
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| 08:51 | run: sudo /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd -l
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| 08:52 | <ms1> thatś a good tip .. thanks ..
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| 08:52 | <ogra> if you want to install stuff or do maintenance inside the chroot, you can do that with sudo /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 08:52 | and ctrl-d to leave the chrooted environment
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| 08:52 | <ms1> ctrl-d on the client ?
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| 08:53 | <ogra> no
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| 08:53 | on the server if you have done any maintenance in the chroot
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| 08:53 | <ms1> ok ...
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| 08:53 | <ogra> /opt/ltsp/i386 == chroot
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| 08:53 | the chroot is different from what runs on the client ... its only the readonly base the system builds on during boot
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| 08:55 | so now, set a rootpw in the chroot, log in on the client and start witjh checking Xorg.6.log :)
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| 08:55 | in /var/log
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| 08:55 | also what specs do these clients have ?
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| 08:57 | <ms1> thanks .. Itś a h/w box ....don´t know much about it ... I did manage to get it to work by enabling XDMCP and SCREEN_04=startx in the previous installation I wiped just now ..
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| 08:58 | so, I know the h/w client works fine ...
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| 08:58 | <ogra> XDMCP has no feature support at all, no sound or localdevice support
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| 08:58 | you need ldm in ltsp5
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| 08:58 | <ms1> also...cannot manage clients with TCM .. which is why I am bent on getting this to work with ldm :-)
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| 08:59 | <ogra> yeah, all features are centered around ldm in ltsp5
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| 08:59 | so what HW specs do these clients have ?
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| 09:00 | <ogra> it sounds a bit like the ldm wallpaper is drawn (thats white) but the rerst doesnt work ... the only thing that comes to mind with such a behavior would be to less videoram or main ram
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| 09:01 | <ms1> /opt/ltsp/i386/etc$ sudo /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd
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| 09:01 | sudo: /opt/ltsp/i386: command not found
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| 09:01 | <ogra> err
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| 09:01 | sorry
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| 09:01 | sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd
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| 09:02 | <ms1> trying to set passwd ... no command found ..:-)
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| 09:02 | thanks
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| 09:04 | let me check the specs ..
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| 09:05 | <ogra> also have a look at /var/log/ldm.log on the client
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| 09:06 | <ms1> 266MHz NS Geeode processor
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| 09:07 | <ms1> 32MB upgradeable to 128 ...don know whatś actually on the client
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| 09:12 | <ms1> ldm.log on client says : Fatal server error : no screens found
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| 09:12 | before that is a line :
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| 09:12 | Screens found but none have usable configuration
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| 09:12 | <ogra> aha
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| 09:12 | <ms1> VESA(0): no matching modes
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| 09:12 | <ogra> 32M isnt enough
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| 09:13 | you are luck you got as far as you did, i wouldnt have expected you to get that far with 32M
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| 09:13 | the kernel alone usually needs 36M
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| 09:13 | to boot a client properly you should at least have 48M
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| 09:13 | recommended are 64
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| 09:14 | <ms1> maybe ..it does have 64MB ...
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| 09:14 | <ogra> gutsy (7.10 will lower that requirements a lot but is not production ready yet)
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| 09:14 | a lot == down to 28M
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| 09:14 | <ms1> cause .. I get the client to work with screen_04=startx
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| 09:15 | <ogra> ldm runs on the client
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| 09:15 | while you use the servers gdm with startx
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| 09:15 | <ms1> ok.. that changes things a lot ..
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| 09:15 | <ogra> so running ldm takjes more ressources
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| 09:16 | gutsys ldm lowers that to a quater though but as i said above, noot ready yet
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| 09:16 | <ms1> whenś it targeted for release ?
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| 09:17 | let me see if I can add memory to the client ...
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| 09:17 | but why will the log file say : no screens found ?
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| 09:17 | <ogra> yeah thats strange
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| 09:18 | but your x config works (else startx wouldnt)
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| 09:20 | <ms1> but that was in tyhe previous install..
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| 09:21 | should I muck around with the xorg screen modes /
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| 09:21 | ?
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| 09:21 | <ogra> no
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| 09:21 | what kind of graphics card is in there ?
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| 09:21 | (lspci )
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| 09:22 | <ms1> in the client ?
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| 09:25 | VGA compatible controller : Cyrix 5530 Video [Kahlua]
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| 09:25 | <ogra> hmm, that should be supported by the cyrix driver
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| 09:26 | can you check the generated xorg.conf ?
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| 09:26 | does it say vesa or cyrix ?
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| 09:26 | <ms1> where is the xorg.conf ?
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| 09:26 | <ogra> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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| 09:28 | <ms1> it says vesa
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| 09:31 | <ogra> try changing it to cyrix and run startx manually on the console, check if it starts
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| 09:35 | <ms1> did that - now this error :
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| 09:35 | Cyrix(0): Given depth 24 not supported by this driver
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| 09:36 | Screens found but none have usable config
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| 09:36 | <ogra> aha
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| 09:36 | <ms1> should I change default depth to 16 ?
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| 09:36 | <ogra> yeah, but if thats the real error you can even do that from lts.conf :)
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| 09:37 | and dont need to fiddle with the xorg.conf on the client
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| 09:40 | <ms1> we can change the driver to cyrix too on the server if it works then ..let me try it ...
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| 09:41 | <ogra> no
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| 09:41 | no need to change the driver
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| 09:41 | <ogra> it should default to cyrix
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| 09:42 | on errors the x configuration falls back to vesa
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| 09:42 | <ms1> well we saw it going to vesa on the client ...
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| 09:42 | <ogra> so if you eliminate the error it should use the right driver
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| 09:42 | <ms1> oh .... ok
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| 09:43 | <ogra> (you can still set XSERVER if its not working as expected :)
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| 09:46 | <ms1> let me change the lts to use epth 16
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| 09:46 | depth
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| 09:46 | and try
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| 09:57 | <ms1> added def depth 16 ...and now the client's upand working !
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| 09:58 | thenks ogtra ...
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| 09:58 | sorry
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| 09:58 | ogra
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| 09:58 | <ogra> yay
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| 09:58 | good stuff :)
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| 09:58 | <ms1> thatś so cool...
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| 09:58 | <ms1> now I have about 40 of these clients that can go live !
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| 09:59 | thanks a lot for the troubleshooting and handholding .. that really helped ..
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| 09:59 | <ogra> :)
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| 10:00 | <ms1> :-)
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| 10:24 | <jammcq> ogra: you seen this: http://education.zdnet.com/?p=1079
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| 10:26 | <ogra> jammcq, got yuour ping from last night, yes
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| 10:26 | <jammcq> ah, cool
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| 10:26 | <ogra> fine, more choice :P
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| 10:26 | <jammcq> also, I was talking with eHarrison yesterday. Fedora has someone actually working ltsp-5 integration
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| 10:27 | although it seems like they should hang out here at #ltsp
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| 10:27 | * vagrantc wonders if the new LDM is still affected by http://bugs.debian.org/430074 | |
| 10:27 | <ogra> and contribute to the code
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| 10:27 | <vagrantc> at least, like, drop some of us an email or something
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| 10:28 | <ogra> vagrantc, well, no, since it has no ldminfod integration yet :P
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| 10:28 | <vagrantc> ogra: ah.
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| 10:28 | <jammcq> it's like they need to prove they can do it *their* way
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| 10:28 | they'll come around eventually
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| 10:28 | <vagrantc> the kiwi stuff sounded very much "their way" ...
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| 10:28 | for (open)suse
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| 10:29 | <ogra> yep
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| 10:29 | doesnt seem like they can integrate that easily
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| 10:30 | <vagrantc> but at least they're open about it
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| 10:31 | <ogra> yup
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| 10:34 | <vagrantc> ogra: so, i didn't get a chance to check the URL you posted the other day ... was it about some progress with virtual hal devices ?
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| 10:34 | <ogra> yeah
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| 10:34 | i have the code to add a ltspfs root device to hal now
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| 10:35 | with the new ldm and a hald running on te client we can push over all the hal data 1:1 now
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| 10:35 | all volumes we will have will register as children of ths root device
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| 10:37 | <vagrantc> is ubuntu gonna grab upstream ltspfs changes? or is it too late for upstream changes ?
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| 10:38 | <ogra> i'll care about ltspfs along the way during hal integration
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| 10:38 | currently i just fixed the old ones to work with new ldm
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| 10:43 | <ogra> ooof, mksquashfs in d-i looks reallly evil ... but it works
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| 10:43 | * vagrantc is very happy with writing to /var/run/ltspfs_fstab instead of /etc/fstab | |
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| 10:53 | <edgarin_> vagrantc, hi!
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| 10:53 | <vagrantc> edgarin_: hola
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| 10:53 | <edgarin_> vagrantc, como estas?
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| 10:54 | <vagrantc> edgarin_: bien. hace mucho calor aqui
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| 10:55 | <edgarin_> vagrantc, donde estas?
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| 10:55 | <vagrantc> edgarin_: sevilla, espana
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| 10:55 | <edgarin_> vagrantc, cool! :D
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| 10:55 | el debconf fue en tu país cierto?
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| 11:16 | <ogra> yay edubuntu tribe2 installs fine ... even though the installer is totally unresponsive for 20 min ... but thats easy to fix :)
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| 11:16 | squashing the image takes quite some time :/
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| 11:26 | <vagrantc> ouch
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| 11:26 | <ogra> found out why
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| 11:26 | it squashes the mounted cd as well ... :/
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| 11:26 | <vagrantc> just generate the tree and nice the squashfs in the background
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| 11:26 | oops
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| 11:26 | <ogra> so instead of 140M i have 808M now
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| 11:27 | well, good enough for a milestone CD
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| 11:27 | i'll work on a fix but if it doesnt go in before thursday i wont cry
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| 11:27 | <ogra> its good eough to test out the new ltsp stuff
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| 11:29 | i'll add an option to ltsp-build-client to skip ltsp-update-image and call that from ltsp-client-builder directly after unmounting the cd
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| 11:29 | that will also help with the progressbar
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| 11:29 | in d-i ...
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| 11:31 | <adimetrius> I get kernel panic - no option 'root-path' every other time i boot 10MBps workstations. Any ideas how to fix?
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| 11:32 | <vagrantc> adimetrius: do you have two dhcp servers ?
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| 11:32 | <ogra> 10MBit ?
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| 11:32 | <vagrantc> adimetrius: i.e. one of the LTSP server, and a router of some kind?
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| 11:32 | <ogra> that works at all ?
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| 11:32 | <vagrantc> ogra: uhhhhh. why not?
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| 11:33 | <ogra> saturation
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| 11:33 | <adimetrius> no only one dhcp
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| 11:33 | yes that works great - after it boots
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| 11:33 | a router or two routers, depending on the workstation's location
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| 11:34 | routers Acorp 8port 10/100
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| 11:34 | <vagrantc> ogra: it definitely will boot slower, but once booted, network requirements are minimal
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| 11:34 | <ogra> well it might time out if you have more clients
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| 11:34 | <adimetrius> does boot slower, works just fine for office apps
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| 11:34 | i usually have the server and another workstation on the net
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| 11:34 | <vagrantc> adimetrius: you're absolutely sure DHCP isn't running on one of your routers ?
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| 11:34 | <ogra> the nfs mount i mean
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| 11:35 | <adimetrius> sorry - my terms might be bad - my router is a small box, it's not a computer, it doesn't have any intelligence
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| 11:36 | <vagrantc> adimetrius: because what you said sounds like there's another DHCP server on your network that isn't configured to hand out the root-path options ... and routers frequently have DHCP servers running on them.
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| 11:36 | adimetrius: those often have DHCP servers running...
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| 11:36 | adimetrius: if you turn off DHCP on your LTSP server, can you still get DHCP requests ?
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| 11:39 | <adimetrius> vagrantc: let me try...
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| 11:40 | no ip daaress for the wrkst when dhcpd stopped
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| 11:41 | <vagrantc> try a bunch of times
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| 11:41 | and just to confirm, you were saying it sometimes works ?
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| 11:42 | <adimetrius> vagrantc: yes, it works often, but smtms it won't work for 10-15 reboots
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| 11:42 | it almost never works at the 1st attempt
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| 11:42 | 100MBps wkstations work just fine all the time
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| 11:43 | <vagrantc> hmmm... strange
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| 11:43 | <adimetrius> yes, looks like some driver/hardware bug
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| 11:43 | the slow wkst boot from a diskette - Etherboot
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| 11:44 | the fast wkst boot with ROM BIOS - PXE boot
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| 11:44 | <vagrantc> are they downloading different files ?
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| 11:44 | <adimetrius> yes they are according to standard dhcpd.conf shipped with ltsp
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| 11:44 | <vagrantc> right
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| 11:45 | <adimetrius> the etherboot loads vmlinuz, the PXE loads bzImage
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| 11:45 | <vagrantc> you should be able to configure etherboot to emulate PXE ... so that you're setup is more similar
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| 11:45 | <adimetrius> how do i do that?
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| 11:46 | <vagrantc> adimetrius: where do you get the floppy from ?
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| 11:46 | <adimetrius> rom-o-matic
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| 11:46 | <ogra> that offers PXE emu iirc
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| 11:46 | <vagrantc> select the configure button ...
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| 11:47 | hmmm... seems to be default now.
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| 11:47 | <ogra> good move _:)
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| 11:47 | <vagrantc> adimetrius: then you could comment out the stuff in dhcpd.conf that selects etherboot image instead of pxe
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| 11:47 | <adimetrius> and just have the pxe?
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| 11:48 | also, i've tried to download pxe images from rom-o-matic.org (.zpxe files), cat them to /dev/fd0, but those won't boot
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| 11:49 | <vagrantc> those are to download a pxe stack via etherboot, not meant to be loaded from floppy
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| 11:49 | or something weird like that
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| 11:49 | <adimetrius> well, i figured :-)
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| 11:49 | floppy ain't weird, i served us for 20 some years :-)
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| 11:50 | <vagrantc> well, weird in that it's one boot loader used to load another
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| 11:51 | * vagrantc is getting weary of the tricky-to-solve bugs in the debian BTS | |
| 11:51 | <ogra> which ones ?
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| 11:53 | <vagrantc> 406366/418142 ... tricky to solve without re-introducing the hostname=(none) bug
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| 11:53 | and 422962 ... the lingering nbd-server problems
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| 11:54 | <ogra> thats fixed in the gutsy branch
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| 11:54 | <vagrantc> and 395145 ... the problem with initramfs not initializing the network card ... never seen it myself
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| 11:54 | <ogra> not sur ethat wasmerged in mainline yet
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| 11:54 | <vagrantc> ogra: which was fixed ?
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| 11:54 | <ogra> the keepalive option in /etc/hsts.allow
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| 11:55 | *hosts
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| 11:55 | ah, no thats not in mainline yet
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| 11:55 | ltsp-update-image adds it
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| 11:55 | need to move that somewhere else
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| 11:56 | <vagrantc> echo 'nbdrootd: ALL: keepalive' >>/etc/hosts.allow ??
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| 11:58 | <ogra> vagrantc, right, i changed that to nbd-server already here
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| 11:58 | seems to work
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| 11:59 | <ogra> why do i see two bugs for 418142 in my inbox ?
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| 12:00 | * vagrantc wonders if 8192 bytes is overkill for 430074 | |
| 12:00 | <ogra> we could detect if a hostname is available from dhcp in initramfs and fiddle with /etc/hostname accordingly
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| 12:00 | <vagrantc> hmmm... wonder what socket.MSG_WAITALL does, too
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| 12:01 | ogra: yeah, that would happen early enough
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| 12:01 | ogra: but if dhcp doesn't give it out ...
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| 12:01 | <ogra> i'd like to move a lot of that stuff into initramfs in gutsy+1
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| 12:01 | we dont touch it
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| 12:01 | <vagrantc> sometimes DHCP merely gives an ip and you inherrit hostname from DNS
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| 12:01 | <ogra> we can also do a DNS lookup additionally
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| 12:02 | if neither is successful we leave the file in place
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| 12:03 | 430074 is moot with the new ldm
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| 12:03 | we'll care that the right bufferzize is set
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| 12:04 | <vagrantc> right, we'll need to ensure that we don't re-implement the same mistake
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| 12:04 | <ogra> i have to see what scottie does with the interaction first before i can start off on ldminfo integration
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| 12:04 | not sure where it has to go yet
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| 12:05 | <vagrantc> 393748 is another we'll have to consider for the new LDM
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| 12:05 | <ogra> it used to be in the frontend, but with scotts new stdin/stdout stuff it could go in the backend
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| 12:05 | fixed already :)
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| 12:05 | <vagrantc> ah, cool.
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| 12:05 | <ogra> the new C greeter scales properly
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| 12:06 | <vagrantc> well, session and language selection "normally" happens before login ... so i'm not sure the new design will change much
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| 12:06 | <ogra> we'll have dmrc support
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| 12:06 | a lot will change
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| 12:06 | <vagrantc> ah. nice.
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| 12:06 | <ogra> or we *will have* :)
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| 12:07 | not there yet, but with the separate control tunnel we can have full server client interaction :)
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| 12:07 | <vagrantc> though it's still going to need to get a list of available ones before loggin in ...
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| 12:07 | <ogra> indeed
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| 12:07 | getting the list from ldminfod has still to happen
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| 12:07 | but the handlig of that data will be different at login
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| 12:08 | i.e. we'll compare dmrc and the selection and pop up a dialog etc ... like gdm does
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| 12:08 | <vagrantc> right
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| 12:08 | <ogra> for the list i want to steal the translation headers from gdm ...
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| 12:09 | so we dont have any plain locates in the list anymore but proper names
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| 12:09 | *locales
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| 12:10 | <vagrantc> looks like the new LDM could potentially close all the LDM bugs in the debian BTS
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| 12:10 | <ogra> ad all the LP ones :)
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| 12:10 | *and
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| 12:10 | <vagrantc> scotty implemented an init script, didn't he ?
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| 12:10 | <ogra> nope
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| 12:10 | <vagrantc> oh, i got confused with the rc.d stuff he did
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| 12:10 | <ogra> we need a proper derooting first
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| 12:11 | well that shoud be renamed in PreSession.d :)
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| 12:11 | <vagrantc> yeah
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| 12:11 | something like that
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| 12:11 | <ogra> i'll drop most of the gnome patches in favor of that :)
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| 12:11 | we can easily set gconf values from the client now ... so no hacks needed anymore
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| 12:11 | * vagrantc wonders what troubles de-rooting ldm will cause | |
| 12:11 | <ogra> X i guess
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| 12:12 | and writability for th dirs we use
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| 12:12 | <vagrantc> well, ltspfsd runs as root, and the client-side sound systems ...
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| 12:12 | <ogra> beyond that i dont expect probs
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| 12:12 | ltspfsd is started by ltsp-client-core
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| 12:12 | <ogra> as the sound
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| 12:13 | is
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| 12:13 | the socket sits in /var/run now ... if we make /var/run/ldm the home of the ldm user that should work
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| 12:13 | <vagrantc> at least in the old ldm, sound did get restarted by ldm
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| 12:13 | <ogra> and move everything in there
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| 12:14 | yeah
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| 12:14 | but only for esd
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| 12:14 | <vagrantc> ah yes
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| 12:15 | <ogra> plse doesnt need such hacks
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| 12:15 | *pulse
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| 12:15 | * vagrantc likes pulse | |
| 12:15 | <ogra> we should probably look that we start thinking about dropping old cruft
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| 12:15 | <vagrantc> yeah.
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| 12:16 | i was able to get pulse to work with etch, so esd and nas could maybe disappear entirely.
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| 12:16 | <ogra> yeah
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| 12:16 | <vagrantc> it wouldn't kill backportability, i don't think ... not sure how it would affect other distros integrating
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| 12:17 | <ogra> well, pluse should be available in all big ones
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| 12:17 | * ogra sings "100 ways to typo pulse ..." | |
| 12:17 | <vagrantc> yeah, that's the biggest problem i have with it from what i've seen so far.
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| 12:19 | <vporo> 1
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| 12:20 | <ogra> 2
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| 12:20 | <vporo> sorry :)
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| 12:20 | <ogra> :)
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| 12:22 | <vporo> any idea why line "X_MODE_0 = 1680x1050" does not set the resolution but I'm able to use that resolution if I set it in the the thin client
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| 12:23 | if I edit the xorg.conf in the thin client
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| 12:26 | <vagrantc> vporo: which distro ?
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| 12:27 | <vporo> ubuntu feisty
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| 12:27 | * vagrantc wonders if X_MODE_* is supported in ubuntu | |
| 12:27 | <ogra> ubuntus X config doesnt respect that
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| 12:28 | you need to use either a static xorg,conf for that client or use X_HORZSYNC X_VERTREFRESH
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| 12:28 | (with the right values from your monitor handbook)
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| 12:28 | <vporo> so I can't set resolutions ?
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| 12:29 | <ogra> you can but not with X_MODE
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| 12:29 | <vagrantc> ogra: was that an intentional thing ?
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| 12:29 | <ogra> vagrantc, yes
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| 12:29 | its fixed in the newer xorg packages in gutsy afaik ...
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| 12:30 | * vagrantc wonders about the intention | |
| 12:30 | <ogra> no idea
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| 12:30 | was a daniel stone thing and nobody ever questioned it since he was gone from ubuntu
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| 12:30 | bryce is doing a great job now with xorg
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| 12:30 | so that will change
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| 12:32 | <vagrantc> oh no. i forgot to change my time zone ... it's an hour later than i thought
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| 12:33 | <ogra> 19:31
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| 12:34 | <vagrantc> it'll be immediately obvious when i hit the midwest :)
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| 12:34 | <ogra> heh
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| 12:34 | the brits are evil to us other europeans :)
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| 12:34 | living in their ow TZ
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| 12:34 | *own
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| 12:34 | <vagrantc> so, heading west ... is that the easier side of jet-lag ?
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| 12:34 | <ogra> yeah
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| 12:35 | you just have to stay up longer
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| 12:35 | <vagrantc> good good.
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| 12:35 | <ogra> thats a lot easier
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| 12:35 | <vagrantc> that'll be hard ...
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| 12:35 | anyways ...
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| 12:44 | <vporo> ogra: are the values that I'm looking for described under bandwith on this page http://www.pricerunner.co.uk/pi/25-871860/Monitors/Dell-E228WFP-Black-Product-Info
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| 12:45 | <ogra> yeah, tat looks like it
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| 12:45 | *that
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| 12:45 | <vporo> because I tried those and now the resolution is only 1024x768
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| 12:47 | X_HORZSYNC = "30-83"
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| 12:47 | X_VERTREFRESH = "56-75"
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| 12:47 | is that the correct syntax?
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| 12:52 | <ogra> yep
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| 13:23 | <Q-FUNK> is anybody here using Geode-based products that might require merging patches into the xserver-xorg-veideo-amd driver for proper support?
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| 13:23 | video, even
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| 13:27 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, i think you just miseed Gadi :)
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| 13:27 | *missed
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| 13:28 | <Q-FUNK> aye
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| 13:28 | I wonder what they ended up selectign as their standard offering at Gadi's
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| 13:29 | i know it's Geode -based, but it's not our product. i'm ok with that, mind you, for as long as i'm wearing my NM hat.
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| 13:30 | I'm mostly interested in gathering patches from everyone and convincing AMD to have a proper git repository for all Geode stuff contributed by all Geode ODM
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| 14:07 | <GodFather> jammcq, were do I go
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| 14:08 | ping jammcq
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| 14:09 | <cliebow> GodFather, Just a big fat hello from cliebow!!
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| 14:11 | <jammcq> GodFather: check your private messages
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| 14:21 | <vykarian> hi guys..
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| 14:24 | Xlib: connection to "192.168.10.82:0.0" refused by server
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| 14:24 | Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key
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| 14:24 | with LTS clients running startx (almost 95% uses startnx)
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| 14:24 | thats keeps the gray screen with the X cursor
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| 14:25 | the weird is that sometimes (1/20) that shows the kdm_greet
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| 14:26 | thats from kdm.log
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| 14:26 | can someone help me?
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| 14:31 | <vagrantc> !greyscen
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| 14:31 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: Error: "greyscen" is not a valid command.
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| 14:31 | <vagrantc> !grayscreen
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| 14:31 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: Error: "grayscreen" is not a valid command.
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| 14:32 | <vagrantc> ltspbot: factoids search --values
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| 14:32 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: 'ltsp', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'wireless', 'sound', 'topics', 'integration', 'lts.conf', 'pastebot', 'bootfloppy', 'ltsp5', 'tarball', 'download', 'monkeys', 'ogra', 'nfs', 'nfsnotresp', 'js', 's', 'troubleshooting', 'sbnet', (1 more message)
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| 14:32 | <vagrantc> !greyscreen
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| 14:32 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "greyscreen" is No login, and only a grey screen? See http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Troubleshooting-GrayScreen
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| 14:32 | <vagrantc> vykarian: try that
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| 14:37 | <vykarian> vagra:
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| 14:37 | vagrantc ty for help.. but thats kinda weird..
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| 14:38 | looks like MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 is getting lost to the LTS client
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| 14:38 | around 40 clients are logging using NX (SCREEN_01 = startnx)
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| 14:39 | <vagrantc> are there running NX sessions for any of the users trying to log in via XDMCP (a.k.a. startx)
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| 14:39 | <vykarian> everything alright.. but for those that I should use the regular startx (for printscreening and desktop sharing) are getting this error
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| 14:40 | yeah, right now several through SSH channels (Xorg -query localhost)
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| 14:40 | <vagrantc> possibly some sort of .Xauthority error
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| 14:40 | <vykarian> I already created the /etc/X0.hosts allow the IP addresses..
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| 14:42 | since X0.hosts is already created, don't know if create Xauthority manually can solve that
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| 14:43 | <vagrantc> what on earth is /etc/X0.hosts ?
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| 14:43 | <ogra> vagrantc, ARGH !!!
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| 14:43 | HUGE ARGH
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| 14:43 | <vagrantc> ogra: ok, what now :P
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| 14:43 | <ogra> where does next-server in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf come from ?
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| 14:44 | that breaks al ubuntu setups
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| 14:44 | <vagrantc> we've been through this already ...
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| 14:44 | it was added in debian. why on earth would it break ubuntu setups ?
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| 14:44 | <ogra> because itzs hardcoded pointing to 192.168.0.2
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| 14:44 | <vagrantc> other than having to maintain an extra line
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| 14:44 | <ogra> err
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| 14:44 | 0.1
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| 14:44 | which means all boots break
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| 14:44 | <vagrantc> like there aren't other hard-coded values ?
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| 14:45 | <ogra> nothing that could break anyting if you pick the right adress space
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| 14:45 | please remove it
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| 14:45 | thats why dhcp3 was patched
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| 14:45 | <vagrantc> dhcp3 isn't patched in debian
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| 14:45 | <ogra> i thought you dont use that file anyway you said
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| 14:46 | <vagrantc> we do use it, just not automagically
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| 14:46 | everything in that file is hard-coded. i don't see what the problem is
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| 14:47 | <ogra> see the ltsp.org wiki
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| 14:47 | <vagrantc> the whole thing?
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| 14:47 | <ogra> there is at least one page about that breakage
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| 14:47 | and why we pathed it on jamcqs request
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| 14:48 | <vagrantc> well, i agree, the old behavior is better.
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| 14:48 | <vykarian> vagrantc, should exist a /root/.Xauthority at LTS client?
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| 14:50 | <vagrantc> ogra: the wiki page you were referring to is ... http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DhcpdSiaddr ?
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| 14:51 | <ogra> yeah
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| 14:52 | cant you generate that line during build-client ? it must have the server ip
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| 14:52 | until now no user did need to touch the file in ubuntu or edubuntu setups with two NICS
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| 14:52 | it breaks all CD installs for me
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| 14:53 | <vagrantc> like i said, we've already been over this
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| 14:53 | it's not like this is new
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| 14:55 | <ogra> its new since my last tribe CD
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| 14:55 | which is three weeks ago
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| 14:56 | it wasnt broken on tribe1
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| 14:56 | anyway it has to go from ubuntu
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| 14:57 | <vagrantc> it broke whenever the merge from debian happened, i assure you
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| 14:57 | and you complained about it loudly then
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| 14:57 | <ogra> i tested tribe1
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| 14:57 | and i wasnt aware its in there until now ...
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| 14:57 | which is to late to fix for tribe2 :/
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| 14:58 | <vagrantc> you must be having amnesia :P
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| 14:58 | <ogra> apparently
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| 14:58 | <vagrantc> i distinctly remember it being loudly shouted in irc
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| 14:58 | <ogra> the only thing i remember was a discusssion about the initscript patch we use to use taht file by default
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| 14:58 | <vagrantc> at any rate...
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| 14:59 | <ogra> i dont understand why you urgently need that line in a file you dont use but that breaks on the system that makes use of it
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| 14:59 | <vagrantc> some pressure on upstream and debian would be appreciated
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| 14:59 | <ogra> by default ...
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| 14:59 | upstream already seaud they wouldnt change back
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| 14:59 | we had that discussion
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| 14:59 | <vagrantc> well, there's no urgency involved, it's just debian's dhcp3-server doesn't work without specifying that line
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| 14:59 | <ogra> *said
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| 14:59 | <vagrantc> so it's much more complicated to document
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| 15:00 | <ogra> how about putting it in commented ?
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| 15:00 | <vagrantc> then you still have to document the uncommenting ...
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| 15:00 | we can change it at package build time or something
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| 15:00 | <ogra> well, at no rate i can ship it as is
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| 15:00 | <vagrantc> of course
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| 15:01 | my proposal: comment it out, and debian uncomments it at package build time
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| 15:01 | <ogra> ok
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| 15:01 | <vagrantc> ta-da
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| 15:01 | <ogra> great :)
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| 15:01 | <vagrantc> or something like that :)
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| 15:01 | <ogra> sorry that i sound upset but i really didnt notice it before and the alst possible upload for tribe2 is just through
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| 15:02 | in any case i fixed the squashfs creation last minute ...
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| 15:02 | <mistik1> ogra: how do I checkout the sources for the latest ldm and whatever else I need for ltsp5
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| 15:02 | ?
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| 15:02 | <ogra> so we dont eat up an extra GB for the image :P
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| 15:02 | <vagrantc> !integrating
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| 15:02 | <ogra> mistik1,
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| 15:02 | https://code.launchpad.net/~sbalneav/ltsp/scotts-gutsy
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| 15:02 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: Error: "integrating" is not a valid command.
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| 15:02 | <mistik1> I'm going to give this a shot
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| 15:02 | <vagrantc> !integration
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| 15:02 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "integration" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/IntegratingLtsp
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| 15:02 | <vagrantc> mistik1: there
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| 15:03 | actually it's out of date
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| 15:03 | <ogra> is there a link to ldm2 ?
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| 15:03 | like everything :)
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| 15:03 | <vagrantc> i think it has the old bzr mainline branch
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| 15:03 | * ogra had a user with ppc today whom he would have loved to offer to use the feisty tarball ... but thats so outdated that he had to buuild his own on a intel machine | |
| 15:03 | <vagrantc> oh hell. it's impossible
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| 15:04 | ogra: did you say both debian and upstream refused the dhcp3-server patch, or just upstream ?
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| 15:05 | <ogra> just upstream but debian said "why differ from upstream"
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| 15:05 | <vagrantc> maybe i'll file a wishlist bug...
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| 15:05 | mistik1: bzr get http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-drivers/ltsp/mainline/
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| 15:05 | <ogra> vagrantc, he wanted the *new* ldm :)
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| 15:06 | <vagrantc> although that doesn't contain all the crazy new stuff ogra and scotty have bene working on
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| 15:06 | <ogra> thats not merged yet
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| 15:06 | <vagrantc> ah, the new LDM specifically ...
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| 15:06 | i just thought LTSP5 in general ...
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| 15:06 | <mistik1> thanks
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| 15:06 | <ogra> well, scotts is likel broken atm
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| 15:06 | <vagrantc> i didn't have a chance to test the new LDM while at debconf ... :(
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| 15:06 | <ogra> likely
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| 15:07 | <mistik1> Well i want everything that would not already be in my distro
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| 15:07 | <ogra> he's just half through writing the communication layer
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| 15:08 | <vagrantc> i guess the gutsy branch would have the newest code
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| 15:08 | <ogra> https://code.launchpad.net/~ogra/ltsp/scotts-gutsy-ogra
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| 15:08 | <vagrantc> newest sort of stable code
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| 15:08 | <ogra> thats specifically ldm
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| 15:08 | and wht we ship in gutsy atm
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| 15:08 | *what
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| 15:08 | * vagrantc will from now on always add all branching history as part of the URL :) | |
| 15:08 | <ogra> heh
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| 15:09 | <vagrantc> originally-based-on-mdz-but-patched-for-debian-and-added-crazy-features-from-ubuntu
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| 15:09 | <ogra> well, thats one of these use once drop if feature is done branches :)
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| 15:09 | <vagrantc> gah. i joined irc networks in a different order and my windows are all kinds of messed up
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| 15:10 | <ogra> i find it confusing to find ten branches with the same name under different users
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| 15:11 | <mistik1> I find that humorous since you are actively working on it
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| 15:11 | <vagrantc> ah, better.
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| 15:11 | <mistik1> No wonder i'm so lost
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| 15:12 | <vagrantc> distributed revision control ... while wonderful ... can be hard as hell to keep track on current developments
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| 15:13 | <mistik1> indeed
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| 15:14 | <vagrantc> why on earth is scotty maintaining the configure and aclocal.m4 files in revision control ? those are automatically generated
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| 15:14 | <ogra> launchpad helps :)
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| 15:14 | <vagrantc> it generated conflicts on a pull
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| 15:14 | <ogra> with the new branch subscription feature you get al the diffs in your mail if you want
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| 15:14 | on each commit
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| 15:14 | its very cool
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| 15:15 | <vagrantc> how do you subscribe to branches that don't exist yet?
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| 15:15 | <ogra> ??
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| 15:15 | <vagrantc> i.e. i put up some random new feature branch ...
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| 15:15 | <ogra> how do i merge branches that dont exist yet ?
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| 15:15 | <vagrantc> i said subscribe, not merge :P
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| 15:15 | <ogra> well, either subscribe me or ping me :)
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| 15:16 | <vagrantc> so it doesn't really help with that ...
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| 15:16 | <ogra> well, if you know i'm upstream for a branch, it makes sense to subscribe me :)
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| 15:16 | if you do that i'll see all your changes
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| 15:16 | its up to you to subscribe the right people
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| 15:16 | <vagrantc> or just get flooded with spam
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| 15:17 | <ogra> well, i can unsubscribe with one click if it annoys me
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| 15:17 | <vagrantc> it would be slick to be able to subscribe to bzr branch namespaces, rather than on a per-branch basis ...
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| 15:17 | i.e. automatically subscribe me to ~ltsp-drivers/ltsp/* and ~ltsp-drivers/ltspfs/*
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| 15:18 | <ogra> yeah
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| 15:18 | <vagrantc> one of many feature requests i never manage to get around to submitting
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| 15:19 | <ogra> well, i'm already thrilled about the current functionallity
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| 15:20 | at least for the wrk with scott its great atm ...
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| 15:20 | might be hard if you start working with tens of branches
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| 15:21 | * ogra goes downstairs now ... susie is already angry that she didnt see me al day due to testing isos | |
| 15:21 | * vagrantc wonders if ogra has seen vagrantc's collection of branches | |
| 15:22 | <mistik1> guys, If i'm going to integrate all this and I have path issues with some of the client side scripts would I just make a new branch for my distro or what?
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| 15:22 | <vagrantc> mistik1: yes
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| 15:22 | <mistik1> I'm starting to read some of the scripts and am already seeing that some PATHs and such are a bit off
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| 15:22 | <ogra> yeah, and add your fixes there and ping one of us to merge it
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| 15:23 | <vagrantc> mistik1: though you might want to talk to us about how best to do it ... so we don't just conflict
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| 15:23 | mistik1: which distro you working on ?
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| 15:23 | <mistik1> Well I'm talking about things like where Gentoo keeps Xorg binaries vs Ubuntu and such
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| 15:23 | vagrantc: Gentoo
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| 15:25 | <vagrantc> mistik1: if you're really good, you'll make each and every feature it's own branch
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| 15:25 | but that tends to lead to insanity
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| 15:25 | <mistik1> hehe
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| 15:25 | I'd say
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| 15:25 | <vagrantc> but it does make it easier to merge some changes and not others
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| 15:26 | <mistik1> I agree, however that may take more time than I have available
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| 15:26 | We'll see
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| 15:27 | <ogra> make sure to talk to dberkholz as well ... he already did some work and identified stuff
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| 15:27 | (for gentoo)
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| 15:27 | anyway, really off now ... bye
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| 15:28 | * vagrantc waves | |
| 15:28 | <mistik1> later ogra
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| 15:34 | <rjune__> mistik1 !
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| 15:37 | <mistik1> hey rj
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| 15:37 | <whiprush> jammcq: ping
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| 15:39 | <jammcq> whiprush: pong
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| 15:39 | <whiprush> jammcq: I have the greatest ltsp story ever told.
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| 15:39 | <jammcq> oooh, cool
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| 15:40 | <whiprush> so like, someone just called me "the labs are down"
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| 15:40 | "omg emergency"
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| 15:40 | so I go up there and all the terminals had reset
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| 15:40 | and I was like "what the hell."
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| 15:40 | ends up, there was this girl in the lab, and it was getting hot, so she pulled the plug to the "air conditioner" to restart it.
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| 15:41 | except that the "air conditioner" was the switch in the room for the clients
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| 15:42 | so basically, the lab was full of people, and she just walks up, thinks the switch is an air conditioner for some reason, and pulls the power plug.
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| 15:42 | that's all I got.
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| 15:42 | Best LTSP story ever.
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| 15:42 | <vagrantc> hm.
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| 15:43 | <jammcq> heh
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| 15:43 | <vagrantc> leaves me unfulfilled
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| 15:43 | <jammcq> that's a great one :)
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| 15:43 | <whiprush> heh
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| 15:43 | guess you had to be here.
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| 15:43 | <fgiraldeau> off topic: Does someone will attend to the Linux Symposium in Ottawa this week?
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| 15:43 | <whiprush> I think her classmates are going to throw her out the window
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| 15:45 | <jammcq> not me
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| 15:45 | iv'e been to many of the OLS's in the past
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| 15:45 | <fgiraldeau> Why not this year?
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| 15:46 | Well, if something is interesting, I will let you know.
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| 15:47 | <jammcq> well, in years past, the kernel summit was also taking place at the same location. but that's changed this year, so to me, than means fewer interesting geeks to talk to
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| 15:47 | also, i'm doing too much other travelling. I've decided that this year, I'll do OSCON instead of OLS
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| 15:48 | <fgiraldeau> Ok, cool. There is so much things to do and so little time :)
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| 15:50 | <Q-FUNK> whiprush: LOL
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| 15:50 | <fgiraldeau> Have a nice day all
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| 15:50 | <Q-FUNK> whiprush: i think that she will rediscover the joys of hazing pretty soon.
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| 16:28 | <mistik1> ok baby here I go
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| 18:05 | <lns> Can anyone recommend a good typing tutor for an Ubuntu LTSP5 setup for ~35 students? TuxType / KType doesn't really cut it, we need something with a solid curriculum / progress system, something that looks really good (no console)...
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| 18:05 | free OR commercial
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| 20:47 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 21:16 | <mistik1> Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 21:21 | <sbalneav> Hey mistik1
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| 21:21 | <mistik1> hey man
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| 22:54 | <sbalneav> Whoo hoo!
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| 22:55 | Got logged in with the scriped greeter!!!
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| 22:55 | \o/ me!
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