IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 21 March 2008 (all times are UTC)
| 00:42 | <dberkholz> johnny: lemme know if you have any gentoo-related questions
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| 05:12 | <stgraber> moquist: pong
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| 07:48 | <mistik1> slidesinger: How goes it man
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| 07:48 | <slidesinger> quite well, actually.
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| 07:49 | And with you?
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| 07:50 | <mistik1> not too bad
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| 07:50 | <slidesinger> What are you up to these days?
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| 07:50 | <mistik1> I seem to be doing a LOT of programming lately
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| 07:50 | I'm in jersey
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| 07:50 | <slidesinger> What languages?
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| 07:50 | <mistik1> Java, C++, java mostly
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| 07:51 | <slidesinger> A big change from the perl/php days, huh?
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| 07:52 | <mistik1> I just implemented an Ident service over SSL for dans guardian to lookup its username against our authenticated gateway
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| 07:52 | slidesinger: yeah, but I now find that its all just programming
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| 07:53 | Once you know HOW to program its just a matter of learning language specific syntax
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| 07:53 | <slidesinger> That sounds really cool. I find myself in the position of having to become an expert in exim, bind, and apache all at the same time.
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| 07:53 | This is true.
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| 07:53 | <mistik1> Never touched exim
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| 07:54 | <slidesinger> Hey jammcq
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| 07:54 | <mistik1> bind and apache I can deal with
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| 07:54 | <jammcq> hey, it's the mistik1
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| 07:54 | and slidesinger
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| 07:54 | <mistik1> hey jammcq
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| 07:54 | <slidesinger> Must be oltimers day or something.
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| 07:54 | <mistik1> hehe
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| 07:54 | slidesinger: or programming all night ?
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| 07:54 | ;)
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| 07:55 | <slidesinger> Did that, back in my mainframe days.
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| 07:55 | <mistik1> slidesinger: are you freelancing these days
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| 07:55 | <slidesinger> Yes
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| 07:56 | That's why I have to become expert in those things. I am now managing a web/mail server running on BSD
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| 07:56 | <cliebow_> someone say "oldtimer"?
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| 07:57 | <mistik1> hey Chuck
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| 07:57 | <slidesinger> Gee, all we need is Scott Balneav and ragnarok and we'll have a full house!
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| 07:57 | <mistik1> jammcq: bro, You will never hear me say I'm not a programmer anymore. That talk has been beaten out of me ;-)
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| 07:58 | <cliebow_> heh!!
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| 07:58 | <slidesinger> mistik1: it's about time!
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| 07:58 | <jammcq> heh
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| 07:58 | <mistik1> slidesinger: I had to first trust myself
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| 07:59 | After writing some of what I have in the last year or so, pfft!!
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| 08:00 | brb, hot beverage
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| 08:02 | <slidesinger> jammcq: My nephew, Andrew, is a music major in jazz studies at U.Arts in Philadelphia. He's going into his senior year and is just starting to hit the Phildelphia scene.
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| 08:04 | <slidesinger> jammcq: I thought you might be interested to know that his intro to Jazz was that Miles video that you sent me.
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| 08:04 | <jammcq> wow
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| 08:04 | I'd forgotten that I sent you that
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| 08:05 | <slidesinger> You realize that I will have to send you his first album.
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| 08:07 | Well, I'm off to the colo to look at the hardware I will be responsible for for the next year.
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| 08:08 | <jammcq> have fun
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| 08:34 | <cliebow_> dtrask: hanging on to your hat?
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| 08:49 | <dtrask> cliebow_: yeah....pretty windy huh? :-)
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| 08:49 | <johnny> hi
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| 08:50 | <mistik1> johnny: how far have you guys reached with the gentoo port
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| 08:50 | <johnny> reached.. uhmm.. that's hard to measure
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| 08:50 | i hvae the ltsp-build-client script running to completion minus the kernel
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| 08:50 | <mistik1> nice
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| 08:50 | <johnny> i have built a kernel outside of that script
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| 08:51 | but now i'm trying to get the damn thing to boot based off the proper kernel cli parameters, but no dice yet
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| 08:51 | via genkernel's initramfs
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| 08:51 | i'm using dnsmasq on another server, and i think it might be biting me
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| 08:51 | <mistik1> why not just build a small initramfs with only what you need?
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| 08:52 | <johnny> because i'd prefer to work with the existing tools as much as possible
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| 08:52 | i'd rather put work upstream
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| 08:52 | debian and ubuntu don't use standard tools
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| 08:52 | ie: initramfs
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| 08:52 | err initramfs-tools
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| 08:52 | so.. we should to
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| 08:53 | <mistik1> but genkernel can be major suckage
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| 08:53 | <johnny> well we should fix it if it is so
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| 08:53 | so it can cross compile too
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| 08:54 | since i want to be able to run an amd64 server
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| 08:54 | and x86 clients
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| 08:54 | <mistik1> hmm
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| 08:54 | <johnny> theoretically all you have to do is pass --kernel-cross-compile=i686-pc-linux-gnu and --utils-cross-compile-pc-linux-gnu
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| 08:55 | err --utils-cross-compile=i686-pc-linux-gnu
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| 08:55 | <mistik1> All one has to do for the kernel is pass ARCH=foo
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| 08:55 | when the kernel is configured and compiled
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| 08:55 | <johnny> what i'd like to do
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| 08:56 | is take the opts from genkernel4 and get them into genkernel3
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| 08:56 | since genkernel4 is a dead project imo
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| 08:56 | last commit 11/17/07
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| 08:56 | current genkernel was updated 3 days ago
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| 08:56 | it as opts like --internal-uclibc
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| 08:57 | altho i guess we shouldn't need that anymore
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| 08:57 | <mistik1> Have you looked at what it would take to get this done?
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| 08:57 | <johnny> we should just be able to do --utils-cross-compile=i686-pc-linux-uclibc
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| 08:57 | if i halfway understand what i'm doing
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| 08:57 | which i might not :)
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| 08:58 | <mistik1> I prolly would not link my kernel against uclibc anyway
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| 08:58 | The initramfs utils sure thing
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| 08:59 | <johnny> this --utils-cross-compile
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| 09:00 | <mistik1> I would have to revisit genkernel, I've not used it in some time, I wrote my own kernel building script for my projects
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| 09:00 | and use a custom initramfs
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| 09:01 | johnny: I'm glad you are trying to get this done, I have been trying to find time for almost a year
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| 09:01 | <johnny> genkernel now has an option to --use-initramfs-overlay
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| 09:02 | well.. thank ogra and sbalneav
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| 09:02 | <ogra_cmpc> gentoo doesnt have any common tool to build initramfs ?
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| 09:02 | <johnny> they were very helpful when i was trying to implement
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| 09:02 | <mistik1> ogra_cmpc: genkernel
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| 09:02 | <ogra_cmpc> ah
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| 09:02 | <johnny> ie: before i was devving
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| 09:03 | altho scott made me try to stop using dnsmasq
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| 09:03 | i forgive him tho
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| 09:03 | dnsmasq is actually pretty great, minus 1... yes 1 thing
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| 09:04 | <mistik1> dnsmasq is very simple to configure, however if you dont understand its syntax you are in a world of hurt
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| 09:04 | <johnny> that's the same as for any of these others
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| 09:04 | and you don't have to learn bind
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| 09:04 | <johnny> i've implemented bind before..
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| 09:04 | it's not difficult. but still
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| 09:04 | <mistik1> dhcpd's popularity mitigate the effects though
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| 09:04 | bind also
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| 09:05 | You can find an example anywhere
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| 09:05 | dnsmasq is used a lot in embedded type deployments where people are using in custom work and dont post as many examples of its usage
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| 09:05 | At least that is what i found
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| 09:06 | <johnny> there is an example on ltsp.org
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| 09:06 | which is what i found
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| 09:06 | <mistik1> *nod*
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| 09:06 | <johnny> it works.. except for the case when the server is on a different machien :(
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| 09:06 | <mistik1> does not support the next-server option?
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| 09:06 | <johnny> then you have to do --dhcp-option=17,serverip,path
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| 09:06 | err serverip:path
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| 09:07 | <mistik1> ahh
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| 09:07 | no biggie then
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| 09:07 | <johnny> except i'm having trouble making it work :) not sure if it's udhcpc or i have to quote it
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| 09:07 | ogra_cmpc, you run virtualbox right?
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| 09:08 | is it me, or do i see less info from the pxe load than on a normal machine?
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| 09:08 | <mistik1> well good luck with it johnny, I have some C++ to hack and then maybe I can get some sleep
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| 09:08 | <ogra_cmpc> johnny, yuo , for all my pre prelese testing ... i test the final CDs on real HW though
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| 09:08 | s/yuo/yup
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| 09:09 | *prerelease
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| 09:09 | *sigh*
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| 09:09 | <johnny> maybe i'll try with qemu then
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| 09:09 | poor ogra, he can't spell
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| 09:09 | hehe
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| 09:09 | <ogra_cmpc> onyl no firdyas
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| 09:09 | :P
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| 09:10 | <johnny> did somebody tell me that :P got redefined?
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| 09:10 | i seem to have been using only the original usage, not it's current
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| 09:10 | <ogra_cmpc> johnny, the rest of the world is just missing that i talk in anagrams ;)
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| 09:10 | <johnny> what does :P mean to you?
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| 09:11 | <ogra_cmpc> thats a tongue ...
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| 09:12 | <johnny> and it means?
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| 09:22 | <cliebow_> always wondered what that meant..but afraid to ask after the tail episode
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| 09:33 | <Pascal_1> hello
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| 09:33 | i cant configure thin client to obtain sound, is there a good link to do that with ltsp 5 on debian etch ?
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| 09:41 | * ogra_cmpc thinks being blamed for upsttream decisions as someone who just follows marketing intrest is sill and will this resign from ltsp develompment after the hardy release is out, i tried to folow defined upstream guidelines with all my decisions when i led development efforts, seems people read into that that i only follwed ubuntu marketing goals, so everybody have a good life i wont keep out of decisions and everything in the future | |
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| 09:42 | <laga> huh
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| 09:43 | <cliebow_> what???
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| 09:43 | <jammcq> hmm, someone seems pissed
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| 09:43 | <mistik1> what the heck prompted that?
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| 09:43 | <jammcq> an email on the developers list
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| 09:43 | <laga> someone on the mailing list?
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| 09:44 | <mistik1> I no longer get the list because I cant access imap server
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| 09:44 | <cyberorg> hmm, he left
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| 09:45 | <johnny> whichlist?
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| 09:45 | where is ltsp-devel anyways?
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| 09:45 | <cyberorg> i think most component that are in ltsp5 are almost perfect, testimony to that is i just had to change a couple of lines of code there to get it working on suse
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| 09:45 | <laga> johnny: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=ltsp-developer
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| 09:46 | <cyberorg> i also do not like core having to be rewritten to accommodate different distros, it just works
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| 09:47 | <laga> yeah, dropping NFS root was definitely something that affected LTSP as a whole.. *sigh*
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| 09:47 | </irony>
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| 09:47 | <cyberorg> laga, nfs still works, it is not dropped
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| 09:47 | * jammcq thinks that if one statement by one person on the mailing list put ogra over the edge, there must be other things going on in his mind | |
| 09:48 | <jammcq> other pressures
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| 09:48 | <laga> cyberorg: i know, i was being sarcastic. it's still used in debian AFAIK
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| 09:49 | <cyberorg> laga, we offer choice of nbd and nfs both on suse
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| 09:49 | basically we just create squashfs image from the nfs root folder
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| 09:49 | <laga> cyberorg: just out of curiosity: what boots faster, nfs or nbd?
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| 09:50 | <cyberorg> laga, currently both suck equally on suse, takes about a minute to boot
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| 09:50 | <laga> heh :)
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| 09:51 | ok, i'm gonna reboot into the mythbuntu alternate installer now.. trying to get the LTSP stuff working there
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| 09:51 | * laga is scared | |
| 09:51 | <cyberorg> both work offering the same features
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| 09:55 | <warren> cyberorg, completely insecure to the point where ANYBODY can hijack your desktop session is "almost perfect"?
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| 09:55 | <johnny> so.. who is micheal?
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| 09:55 | <cyberorg> warren, anyone can hijack ssh -X session?
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| 09:56 | <warren> Michael Shigorin repeatedly has shown himself to be a troll.
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| 09:56 | I personally have NO PLANS to support clients of 16 or 32MB RAM
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| 09:56 | I would be lucky to make it work with 64MB
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| 09:56 | I suspect 128MB will be the minimum
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| 09:56 | <johnny> so he doens't come in here?
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| 09:57 | we'll see if he can try to get his patches merged...
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| 09:57 | so. ltsp will be forked? :(
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| 09:57 | <warren> Michael seems more interested in gloating about AltLinux than to push anything upstream or work cooperatively.
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| 09:58 | <johnny> i don't even know what altlinux is
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| 09:58 | it must not be very popular
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| 09:58 | <warren> I might share his idea that Ubuntu is a vast conspiracy, but I don't think ogra is to blame.
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| 09:58 | <jammcq> but the fact that some distros, like Altlinux want to support low memory machines is a really good thing, and can only help us
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| 09:58 | <cyberorg> warren, i don't know the technical details much, but on the implementation part, i just worked without changing anything, i just had to build ecosystem on suse around it
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| 09:58 | <cyberorg> lucky to have kiwi for that too ;)
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| 09:59 | <warren> cyberorg, " i don't know the technical details much" is exactly what makes you dangerous. You just forged ahead and did it without considering that you are using X -ac for all this time.
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| 09:59 | cyberorg, and you will soon be using my difficult research to lock it down without losing functionality.
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| 10:00 | cyberorg, and yes, even with ssh -X, anybody else on the network could still hijack a user's desktop session with X -ac
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| 10:00 | <cyberorg> warren, cool, i would be privileged to carry your good work to a large section of users, that is what packagers do
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| 10:01 | <warren> cyberorg, reasons like that is why I didn't appreciate whenever you bring up how you had it working since September or something.
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| 10:01 | cyberorg, I'm trying to do it CORRECTLY and SECURELY.
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| 10:01 | <cyberorg> warren, i don't doubt it at all
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| 10:01 | <warren> and I'm pushing 100% of what I do upstream so everyone else can benefit
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| 10:01 | <mistik1> jammcq: I agree that something else if going on with Oli, I share many of that Mike's sentiments regarding the direction of ltsp but there was no get up a quit in those statements
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| 10:02 | <johnny> i don't..
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| 10:02 | i don't share any of their sentiments
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| 10:02 | <warren> Even if Michael is correct in some sentiments, the negative effects of his attitude combined with a COMPLETE lack of contributions upstream makes him a huge net negative.
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| 10:02 | <johnny> ogra was always open and friendly around here
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| 10:03 | <cliebow_> you bet!!..still is (hopefully)
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| 10:03 | <jammcq> so..... how do we get Oliver back?
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| 10:03 | <mistik1> While I share some of the sentiments, I would hardly blame ogra
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| 10:03 | If I had a vote i'd say come on back my brother
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| 10:03 | <warren> Late last year Ogra indicated that his employer is forcing him to work on non-LTSP things so he has to move on anyway.
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| 10:04 | but Michael's attacks really didn't help
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| 10:04 | <jammcq> yes, but he always said he'd spend his free time in #ltsp
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| 10:04 | <warren> if someone makes it painful he wont spend his free time
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| 10:04 | and he's been spending far more than free time here
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| 10:05 | <mistik1> Wow, what a way texts are open to so many opposing interpretations
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| 10:06 | <jammcq> but one thing for certain about working on an open source project, especially one in which you get to make important decisions, is that you MUST have thick skin. no matter how hard you try, someone will say something that rubs you the wrong way
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| 10:06 | <warren> jammcq, what we need here is a benevolent dictator and some condemnation.
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| 10:07 | <mistik1> jammcq: indeed..
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| 10:07 | <jammcq> hmm, /me ponders who we could get
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| 10:07 | <warren> jammcq, you of course.
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| 10:07 | <rjune_> I'll vote jammcq benevolent dictator of ltsp for life
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| 10:07 | <mistik1> heh
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| 10:08 | <rjune_> Howdy mistik1
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| 10:08 | <jammcq> be careful what you wish for
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| 10:08 | <mistik1> Lets get RMS
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| 10:08 | lol
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| 10:08 | <rjune_> LOL
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| 10:08 | <mistik1> hey rjune_
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| 10:08 | <rjune_> I bet Gadi would vote that way too jammcq
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| 10:09 | <warren> Gadi would be a good dictator too. Under the Gadi administration all checkins will contain at least 50 different changes.
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| 10:09 | <jammcq> with plenty of giggling
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| 10:09 | <mistik1> I think the position is already filled by jammcq, he just needs to lower the gavel
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| 10:09 | <warren> s/gavel/guillotine/
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| 10:09 | <mistik1> haha
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| 10:11 | <rjune_> Gadi would be a fun dictator. he'd shut the channel down at 1700 EST
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| 10:12 | <warren> I wont be denouncing Michael on the list to try to bring ogra back.
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| 10:12 | We need someone a lot more diplomatic than me.
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| 10:12 | <rjune_> what, hey dipstick, he's done more work then you. bugger off doesn't cut it?
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| 10:13 | <johnny> i don't think we need a dictator ..
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| 10:13 | <cyberorg> warren, you also need to seriously reevaluate the meaning of "contribution to the project"
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| 10:13 | <rjune_> I know where I stand. useless as of a long time.
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| 10:14 | <warren> cyberorg, simply giving people URL's to your patches is NOT good enough to have upstream accept things.
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| 10:14 | <mistik1> Contribution comes in many forms
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| 10:14 | not just code
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| 10:14 | <cyberorg> warren, i don't mean that :) whatever anyone does, however trivial you think it is is also a contribution
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| 10:15 | * cyberorg can't code | |
| 10:15 | <johnny> some projects have poisounous people
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| 10:15 | they end up ruining the project when you pander to them
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| 10:15 | they need to be told to go away otherwise it never ends
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| 10:16 | of course.. poisonous people don't exist without at least some supporters
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| 10:16 | which makes it hard to deal with
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| 10:20 | <moquist> stgraber: ping again :)
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| 10:20 | <stgraber> moquist: pong
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| 10:30 | <johnny> sf forums == the suck
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| 10:31 | <johnny> mistik1, http://rafb.net/p/c8saU329.html
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| 10:31 | those are genkernel4 opts
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| 10:32 | <cliebow_> i am with rjune..
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| 10:32 | <monteslu> hey who's giving ogra a hard time?
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| 10:33 | <cliebow_> Michael Shigorin repeatedly has shown himself to be a troll
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| 10:34 | <monteslu> wtf?
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| 10:35 | he pushed ogra out?
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| 10:35 | <laga> re
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| 10:35 | <cliebow_> i odnt think as much..must have rally ticked him off..
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| 10:35 | <monteslu> is Shigorin a major contributor or something?
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| 10:35 | <cliebow_> no..
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| 10:37 | <monteslu> you see the ltsp mailing list?
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| 10:38 | <cliebow_> havnt..
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| 10:38 | developer?
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| 10:38 | <monteslu> ogra just left a message on it about leaving
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| 10:38 | yeah
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| 10:38 | <cliebow_> arrrrgh
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| 10:39 | <monteslu> shit
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| 10:39 | i tried responding but it bounced back as spam
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| 10:39 | <cliebow_> i keep getting booted so i cant tresponfd
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| 10:54 | <johnny> wtf with my dhcp server :(
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| 10:59 | it keeps offering an ip.. but virtualbox ain't takin it.
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| 11:01 | <sutula> johnny: gadi's magic is leaving :)
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| 11:02 | <cliebow_> `??
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| 11:02 | oic
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| 11:02 | <jammcq> fgiraldeau: hey
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| 11:02 | <cliebow_> hi francis
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| 11:03 | <stgraber> hi fgiraldeau
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| 11:03 | <fgiraldeau> hi there
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| 11:03 | hope that you're fine
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| 11:05 | <johnny> just No IP
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| 11:05 | WTF
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| 11:05 | <jammcq> fgiraldeau: hey, what happened with google summer of code?
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| 11:05 | <johnny> it was working before
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| 11:05 | <fgiraldeau> jammcq: I do not have news yet.
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| 11:05 | <jammcq> I saw the list of projects accepted, and didn't see LTSP :(
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| 11:05 | <cliebow_> johnny: you'll have to sniff..
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| 11:07 | <jammcq> http://code.google.com/soc/2008/
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| 11:07 | <fgiraldeau> I didn't had a confirmation about the fact that LTSP haven't been selected.
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| 11:07 | But, maybe I will never get such confirmation...
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| 11:08 | Anyway, next year, we will be able to get more prepared
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| 11:08 | <cyberorg> jammcq, http://en.opensuse.org/Summer_of_Code_2008#LTSP_GUI_Management_for_openSUSE
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| 11:08 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 11:08 | <cyberorg> hope we get something that everyone can use
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| 11:08 | <fgiraldeau> After reading FAQ of GSoC, it seems that a huge part of the decision is based on project ideas.
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| 11:09 | Most of ideas are on launchpad, mixed between Ubuntu project and LTSP, and things are not mostly clear...
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| 11:10 | If we work on that, I think that we will get more chance to get accepted
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| 11:11 | <cyberorg> fgiraldeau, i think accepting projects is over
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| 11:12 | <fgiraldeau> cyberorg: yeah, you're probably right.
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| 11:13 | When will accepted mentoring organizations be announced?
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| 11:13 | We will announce the list of accepted mentoring organizations on the Google Summer of Code home page on Monday, March 17, 2008
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| 11:13 | So, you're right ;)
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| 11:13 | <cyberorg> fgiraldeau, opensuse and fedora both are listed, warren can add ltsp idea on fedora list too
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| 11:16 | <cliebow_> fgiraldeau, sorry to hear that..
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| 11:17 | <fgiraldeau> cyberorg: ok, great, there are so many ideas
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| 11:18 | <cyberorg> fgiraldeau, hopefully one way or the other we'll try to get ltsp idea in GoC ;)
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| 11:21 | <johnny> yes, it is offering , but the virtualbox doesn't see it..
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| 11:21 | or that interface in general
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| 11:21 | it does discover, but the offer isn't recieved.. even thought it gets sent
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| 11:22 | <laga> johnny: do you have the latest version of virtualbox? there was a version with a broken host network interface implementation, but they fixed it after a few days
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| 11:22 | <johnny> 1.5.6 here
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| 11:22 | it worked last night :)
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| 11:22 | i don't know what changed
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| 11:23 | i did upgrade some packages, but nothing that seems related..
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| 11:23 | i'm going to login again soon..
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| 11:25 | <vagrantc> i've had some hard to track down, intermittant networking issues when i switched from virtualbox 1.5.5 to 1.5.6 ...
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| 11:26 | <johnny> brb
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| 11:27 | <fgiraldeau> lunch time!
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| 11:28 | bon apetit
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| 11:51 | <vagrantc> oh hell.
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| 11:52 | sbalneav, jammcq, warren, dberkholz, johnny ... ogra's really frustrated, eh?
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| 11:52 | <johnny> beep
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| 11:52 | when i rebooted
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| 11:52 | <dberkholz> vagrantc: that's what it looked like in here -- i'm not on the list
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| 11:52 | <vagrantc> just reading the posts on the mailing list
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| 11:52 | <johnny> i saw br0 hanging
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| 11:52 | looks like all i had to do was restart the interfaces
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| 11:53 | <dberkholz> i kind of have a personal "no asshole tolerance" policy, which doesn't seem to fit in real well with the way this community works
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| 11:53 | <johnny> sometimes a bit of that would be nice
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| 11:53 | <gvy> argh.
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| 11:53 | <vagrantc> dberkholz: how's that?
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| 11:53 | <johnny> nice way to enter a room
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| 11:53 | lol
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| 11:54 | <vagrantc> dberkholz: as in this community is too tolerant of assholes?
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| 11:54 | <dberkholz> vagrantc: oh, just reading others talking about thick skin and such
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| 11:54 | <vagrantc> hrm. haven't seen that ...
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| 11:55 | <dberkholz> it's too easy to talk about what i'd do in theory without accepting any of the consequences, so i'm going to stop
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| 11:55 | <vagrantc> alright
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| 11:55 | i get the feeling i really missed something bigger
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| 11:56 | <gvy> johnny: well i'm feeling lucky: made ogra feel bad :-[
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| 11:56 | and he's not here now (what was predictable unfortunately)
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| 11:56 | <johnny> he might be in the network
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| 11:56 | just not in this room
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| 11:56 | <gvy> hm... could you hint where to?
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| 11:56 | <johnny> there is this thing in irc.. called /whois
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| 11:56 | :)
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| 11:57 | * gvy is an irc n00b | |
| 11:57 | <laga> /whois ogra_cmpc
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| 11:57 | <vagrantc> gvy: what did you do? who are you? :P
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| 11:57 | <johnny> laga, you can do //whois to just print /whois without the space
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| 11:58 | <gvy> vagrantc: mike@altlinux
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| 11:58 | see ML
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| 11:58 | <vagrantc> ah, yes.
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| 11:58 | <laga> johnny: no, not with irssi
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| 11:58 | <gvy> managed to offend him :(
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| 11:58 | <johnny> oh
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| 11:58 | <vagrantc> gvy: ah, you :P
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| 11:58 | <johnny> odd laga
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| 11:58 | <gvy> vagrantc: ah me :]
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| 11:58 | <johnny> every other irc client lets you do that
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| 11:58 | well i'm glad you showed up gvy
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| 11:58 | makes me feel better
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| 11:58 | <gvy> vagrantc: btw thank you for your efforts, while i'm alive
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| 11:59 | <vagrantc> gvy: was it just on the mailing list, or something in irc as well?
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| 11:59 | <gvy> vagrantc: i wasn't here for maybe several months, and on irc for maybe a month or so
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| 12:00 | <johnny> i'm sure he's just feeling some anti-ubuntu sentiment generally.. but hey.. it's ubuntu's turn.. it was redhat before :)
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| 12:00 | lol
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| 12:00 | there we go.. problem solved
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| 12:01 | it finally found itself again
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| 12:01 | <gvy> johnny, re me? :) ubuntu was criticized by me for different things (incl. "stealing" ltsp as an upstream proper) _here_ maybe a year or so ago, and redhat was way later :)
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| 12:01 | <johnny> i meant for things in general.. not just ltsp
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| 12:01 | i never felt that way since joining up
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| 12:01 | ogra has been a right swell fella
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| 12:02 | <gvy> both stories are actually ones by themselves, and have history from 2005 (when i seriously considered changing our consultancy's base distro -- and sleepless nights' target as well) and from 1999 or so when i dropped redhat
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| 12:02 | <vagrantc> gvy: ubuntu didn't steal upstream, it was GIVEN to ubuntu.
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| 12:02 | <gvy> ogra _is_ one of the best folks i talked with, in fact
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| 12:03 | vagrantc: well i can try to dig/sum things up some day but jammcq summed it up already; after a revamp time, it's nice to look if any details are "extra"
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| 12:04 | when we reassembled a bike in 1991, there was one
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| 12:04 | <vagrantc> with the idea that ubuntu could commit energy into initial implementation, and we would get other distros involved once it had proved it's meddle a little.
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| 12:04 | <gvy> which wasn't of course
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| 12:04 | vagrantc: yeah, i understand and actually credit ubuntu with reengineering ltsp
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| 12:05 | <vagrantc> and debian naturally jumped on as the first distro to take it on, as it wasn't a lot of additional work.
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| 12:05 | <gvy> yup
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| 12:06 | <vagrantc> gvy: i must say, sometimes your posts have felt a little more on the frustrating side, and less on the constructive criticism side :P
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| 12:07 | <gvy> vagrantc: i'd say way too often
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| 12:07 | i know that
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| 12:07 | and try to work on it
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| 12:07 | <vagrantc> alright. just had to say it :)
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| 12:07 | <gvy> well it's right!
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| 12:07 | <johnny> yay..
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| 12:08 | * vagrantc gets weary of "my distro is better than your distro" | |
| 12:08 | <vagrantc> much more interesting to me is "what can our distro's share?"
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| 12:08 | <gvy> they're all different... usually wrong to tell w/o the job and the people anyways
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| 12:08 | +1
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| 12:09 | * johnny shares food | |
| 12:09 | <vagrantc> mmmm.
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| 12:09 | <Pascal_at_home> hello
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| 12:09 | <gvy> vagrantc: i maintain ~190 packages: http://sisyphus.ru/packager/mike/srpms/ [ru], some of them since 2001
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| 12:09 | <johnny> vegan's about?
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| 12:09 | vegans*
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| 12:09 | if not
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| 12:09 | * johnny shares a malapesto | |
| 12:10 | <vagrantc> soy vegetariano
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| 12:10 | <gvy> you might guess that involves a bit of communication with users, team mates, peers within another distros, and upstreams or authors :)
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| 12:10 | <johnny> fresh mozarella, pesto, tomato,basil, garlic on a bagel of your choice
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| 12:10 | * gvy has green tea | |
| 12:10 | <johnny> vagrantc, i make those every day for people
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| 12:11 | well.. every shift
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| 12:11 | it's where my ltsp deployment is :)
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| 12:11 | <vagrantc> gvy: yes, i'magine so
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| 12:11 | "what would you like to drink with your ltsp?"
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| 12:12 | <johnny> yes.. we serve tea too
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| 12:12 | green,red and otherwise
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| 12:13 | <Pascal_at_home> green tea for me
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| 12:13 | * vagrantc wants to make a sandwich called "The LTSP" | |
| 12:13 | <johnny> regular, morroccan mint, or with toasted brown rice?
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| 12:13 | <Pascal_at_home> toasted brown rice seems to be a rich idzea !!
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| 12:13 | idea
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| 12:26 | <gvy> johnny: wow :)
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| 12:27 | <johnny> gvy, my ltsp deployment is at a bookstore coffeehouse
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| 12:27 | i'm about to go there now in fact
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| 12:27 | * gvy sets up xchat on TS in a hasty manner | |
| 12:27 | <johnny> so i can attempt (one more time) to get a TIP line added to the credit card receipts
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| 12:32 | <gvy> johnny, and we're small free software consultancy here in ukraine... still remember ltsp3 days and pesky intel pxe firmware in 2002. :)
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| 12:34 | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-devel/2006-November/001947.html
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| 13:35 | <johnny_> beeb beep
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| 13:43 | <cliebow_> hoink
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| 13:44 | <johnny_> hoink :)...
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| 13:44 | good one :)
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| 13:44 | yoink
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| 13:45 | <cliebow_> 8~)
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| 13:45 | <gvy> cliebow_:
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| 13:45 | <cliebow_> Ho!
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| 13:46 | gvy:whats up?
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| 13:46 | <gvy> "hello cliebow" :)
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| 14:00 | <cliebow_> And a hearty hello to you as well
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| 14:02 | <steph_> Sorry to disturb you in a ltsp channel, but I know there is some of you here who use vbox/hardy. Can someone join me in #vbox ? I have few questions.
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| 14:03 | <cliebow_> steph_, sorry cant help you..
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| 14:03 | <johnny_> only gutsy here for now
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| 14:03 | ask in the #ubuntu+1 channel
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| 14:03 | or whatever the hardy channel is called
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| 14:03 | <steph_> oh. ok. thanks
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| 15:32 | <johnny> hmm..
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| 15:32 | Option: (t=17,l=26) Root Path = "192.168.2.4:/opt/ltsp/i386"
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| 15:33 | <WarLock> hi all
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| 15:34 | where i can see log booting client machine on ltsp-server ?
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| 15:34 | ltsp use 4.2
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| 15:34 | <johnny> check your syslog?
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| 15:34 | otherwise.. i don't know.. never used 4.2
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| 15:35 | <WarLock> no, client machine probably loading but i not i'm shure whar its true :( z want see log where whriting log login client machine
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| 15:36 | sor for my English (i'm from Ukraine)
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| 15:39 | <gvy> WarLock, laskavo prosymo
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| 15:39 | why use 4.2?
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| 15:40 | <WarLock> | |
| 15:40 | <johnny> hmm.. anyboyd familiar with busybox udhcpc ?
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| 15:41 | <WarLock> gvy :) glyan privat plz
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| 15:41 | <gvy> WarLock, you need to be registered/identified at freenode to pm folks
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| 15:42 | WarLock, shigorin/gmail.com
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| 15:42 | or subscribe to https://lists.altlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/ltsp-server
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| 15:44 | <WarLock> gvy see mail
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| 15:49 | <gvy> WarLock, i don't use icq :)
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| 15:49 | and don't have one for quite long time, see http://gvy.livejournal.com/3549.html
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| 15:51 | <WarLock> | |
| 15:52 | <gvy> WarLock, but mailing list is better, there are quite a few experienced people there
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| 15:53 | <WarLock> gvy skype?
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| 15:54 | may be
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| 15:54 | <gvy> WarLock, jabber ;-)
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| 15:54 | mentioned at the url above
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| 15:54 | WarLock, kiev?
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| 15:54 | <WarLock> gvy oh... Dnepropetrovsk
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| 15:55 | <gvy> WarLock, there's at least one LTSP experienced person there I know (ns/altlinux.org)
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| 15:56 | <steph_> Scenario: I use ltsp inside virtual box. On host: eth0 is connected via dhcp. eth1 isn't configure/enable. On guest, I would like the same settings eth0 (to the internet), but eth1 to LAN. Do I have to set up eth1 on host to use it in guest?
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| 15:56 | <gvy> WarLock, i'm going home, better go email or better yet -- ML
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| 15:56 | <WarLock> gvy search jabber :)
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| 15:56 | gvy one moment
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| 15:56 | <gvy> | |
| 15:56 | <WarLock> gvy you on work ??? in this time ?
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| 15:56 | <gvy> WarLock, sort of
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| 15:57 | at least in the office, the metro will be running for 1.5 hours more :-)
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| 15:58 | <WarLock> gvy :( tomorrow i can speak with you ?
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| 15:58 | or after tommorow?
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| 15:59 | <gvy> WarLock, i'll leave xchat but won't probably see it till monday
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| 15:59 | better email
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| 15:59 | btw http://freesource.info/wiki/Dokumentacija/LTSP5
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| 16:00 | <WarLock> gvy ok ) but in my work use only asp linux and ppc
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| 16:00 | :( my task ltsp + asplinux
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| 16:00 | <gvy> WarLock, and http://www.magic.kiev.ua/ru/solutions/servers/altsp5/
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| 16:00 | <WarLock> >11.2 lagoda
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| 16:00 | <gvy> asp 11.2 got negative reponses from folks i know...
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| 16:01 | <WarLock> thnks ) i whrite you
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| 16:01 | <gvy> i think leon and andriy has done something for 12 but still it's largely a fedora
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| 16:01 | <WarLock> i like mandriva more:) but work is work
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| 16:02 | <gvy> well, there's no native ltsp in neither asp nor mdv
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| 16:02 | 4.2 is rather forgotten...
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| 16:03 | WarLock, anyways, maybe the advice would help
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| 16:03 | i mean wiki and list
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| 16:04 | <subsume> Can someone please tell me how to get the startup messages of a thin client onto the DHCP server?
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| 16:04 | <gvy> huh
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| 16:04 | that doesn't make sense
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| 16:04 | <johnny> lol
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| 16:04 | <subsume> lol
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| 16:04 | <johnny> you just repeated me
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| 16:04 | * gvy knows | |
| 16:04 | <johnny> i said that in #edubuntu to him
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| 16:05 | <subsume> har har.
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| 16:05 | <gvy> subsume, well, which messages -- log messages?
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| 16:05 | <subsume> a thin client starts up and its encountering some error
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| 16:05 | yes, the log
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| 16:05 | <gvy> does it freeze?
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| 16:05 | <subsume> I get dumped into initramfs but the /var/log is empty
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| 16:05 | <johnny> that has nothing to do with dhcp
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| 16:05 | <gvy> ah, that early you won't probably be able to redirect it more easy than debug it...
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| 16:05 | <subsume> aww man. I just wish it would S L O W down in the beginning
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| 16:06 | <gvy> shift-pageup
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| 16:06 | <subsume> I'm sure it says what's wrong in plain english
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| 16:06 | <gvy> if there was no font change or videomode change
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| 16:06 | <subsume> the edubuntu splash screen appears... shift page up doesn't do anything
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| 16:06 | <johnny> turn off the splash screen
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| 16:07 | <gvy> btw it helps to describe the very problem and ask what to do instead of asking how to do some "solution" one came up with by himself
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| 16:07 | <subsume> Yeah.
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| 16:07 | <gvy> been trapped by my invented "solutions" being all wrong in the first place :)
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| 16:07 | <johnny> you can turn it off in the pxelinux.cfg/default file
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| 16:07 | <gvy> eg vga=0
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| 16:07 | <johnny> or just remove splash and quiet
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| 16:08 | <subsume> let me try that
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| 16:08 | <gvy> johnny, btw i've stumbled upon that while looking on 7.10b5 or so
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| 16:08 | <johnny> 7.10b5?
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| 16:08 | <gvy> on the very standard hw: pIII, 440bx, ati 4m, intel pxe nic
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| 16:08 | beta5
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| 16:08 | <johnny> of 7.10?
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| 16:09 | <subsume> johnny: the pxelinux.cfg file at /etc/ltsp?
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| 16:09 | <johnny> that was like 7 months ago
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| 16:09 | <gvy> edubuntu 7.10 beta5 iirc (might be beta3 if there was no 5)
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| 16:09 | yup
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| 16:09 | <WarLock> gvy what cd i can download from ftp://ftp.linux.kiev.ua/pub/Linux/ALT/beta/ltsp-server/ ? i can see alt + ltsp5
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| 16:09 | <johnny> sorry.. i didn't knwo ubuntu put one there.. i have no idea
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| 16:09 | in the tftpboot dir
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| 16:09 | <gvy> just in case that was known/fixed and the same problem
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| 16:09 | <johnny> 7.10 was 8 months ago?
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| 16:09 | * gvy put the disk apart and didn't return | |
| 16:09 | <johnny> try something newer
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| 16:09 | <gvy> like that
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| 16:10 | i made something newer myself :)
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| 16:10 | just worked...
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| 16:10 | <subsume> It contains one line: DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img quiet splash nbdport=2001
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| 16:10 | <gvy> WarLock, 4.0rc1 probably
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| 16:11 | <subsume> removed quiet and splash...let's see...
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| 16:11 | <WarLock> gvy thnks . load :) it's quick
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| 16:12 | <gvy> WarLock, btw there's also newer school snapshot: ftp://ftp.linux.kiev.ua/pub/Linux/ALT/beta/school/terminal
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| 16:12 | <subsume> yay, useful errors!
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| 16:12 | <subsume> Lots of errors I don't understand.
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| 16:12 | mount: Mounting /rofs on /rootrofs failed: Invalid arg?
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| 16:13 | cp: unable to open /root/etc/: Is a directory
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| 16:13 | <vagrantc> subsume: which linux distro?
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| 16:13 | <WarLock> gvy thnks :)
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| 16:13 | <subsume> I swear I'm not just some leech. I've been updating https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPFatClients religiously so people don't run into this junk.
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| 16:13 | <gvy> WarLock, welcome
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| 16:13 | <subsume> vagrantc: edubuntu
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| 16:14 | <vagrantc> subsume: ok.
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| 16:14 | subsume: on gutsy ?
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| 16:14 | <subsume> vagrantc: 7.10. I think gutsy.
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| 16:15 | <vagrantc> subsume: you're doing fat clients?
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| 16:15 | <subsume> vagrantc: yes.
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| 16:16 | <gvy> rather labeled "diskless workstations" usually
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| 16:16 | <subsume> these have disks
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| 16:17 | <gvy> ah
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| 16:17 | <subsume> that's why they are fat =)
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| 16:17 | <vagrantc> gvy: if i spent a few minutes, i could come up with probabaly half-a-dozen names for the diskless workstation/fat client concept
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| 16:18 | <gvy> vagrantc, sure, just mentioned in case it was reinventing the wheel (unlikely as the person knows what initramfs etc is)
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| 16:19 | * gvy home | |
| 16:19 | <gvy> thanks && bb!
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| 16:20 | <subsume> I hate when threads end ambiguously http://www.nabble.com/Clients-Display-BusyBox-(initramfs)-Prompt-td14304380.html
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| 16:23 | vagrantc: do you think this could be a DHCP conf issue?
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| 16:37 | <shogunx> hi all. any major ltsp changes planned for ubuntu 8.04?
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| 17:07 | <johnny> shogunx, mostly cleanup and stabilization
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| 17:11 | <subsume> What doe the next-server parameter do?
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| 17:11 | in dhcp
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| 17:12 | <johnny> points to where you're hosting the boot up stuff
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| 17:12 | if it's not in the same machine that is running ltsp
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| 17:13 | <subsume> aha. I should comment it out then
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| 17:14 | I found a doc indicating my mount problems might be caused by improper dhcp setup... but I'm not getting an SCIOADD errors.
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| 17:16 | is ltsp/i386/nbi.img the right filename?
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| 17:16 | <johnny> uhmm..depends on your setup..
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| 17:16 | what error are you getting?
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| 17:17 | oh.. that roofs thing? you'd have errored out earlier
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| 17:17 | <vagrantc> next-server is needed on debian, but ubuntu has patched upstream dhcp3-server to not require it
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| 17:17 | <subsume> johnny: yeah. the same root stuff.
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| 17:17 | I can paste if anyone is interested
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| 17:17 | <johnny> perhaps in a lil while
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| 17:18 | <vagrantc> subsume: the filename it displays right before your error is likely not really used ...
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| 17:18 | <subsume> I don't know enough about this ltsp stuff to even get what's breaking.
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| 17:18 | <vagrantc> subsume: if you can paste as much of the boot message to the pastebot, that would be helpful.
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| 17:19 | <subsume> vagrantc: sure. I will have to type it all up.
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| 17:19 | <vagrantc> something in the NBD or maybe squashfs isn't going right
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| 17:19 | subsume: that's where virtual machines come in handy :)
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| 17:19 | or serial consoles, if you're so inclined :)
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| 17:19 | <subsume> heh heh. this project has become very elaborate.
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| 17:19 | I was just trying to help out an elementary school...simplifying their computer lab
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| 17:22 | <vagrantc> the root password isn't needed for debugging ...
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| 17:23 | <subsume> http://dpaste.com/40625/
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| 17:23 | there it is vagrantc .
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| 17:24 | <vagrantc> subsume: ok, so it shoulds like the rofs, which is a squashfs image that's mounted using NBD is somehow failing ...
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| 17:25 | subsume: egrep -v '^#' /etc/inetd.conf | sort -u -n
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| 17:25 | <subsume> on server, vagrantc
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| 17:25 | ?
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| 17:26 | <vagrantc> subsume: yes. i will be explicit if i mean server, thin client, or the chroot
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| 17:26 | <subsume> oh my I see something weird
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| 17:26 | <vagrantc> er, i guess i'm not explicit with server, but i'll be explicit when it's not the server :)
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| 17:26 | <subsume> http://dpaste.com/40626/\
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| 17:26 | http://dpaste.com/40626/
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| 17:26 | What's odd is the 'fati386'.
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| 17:26 | I used simply 'i386'
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| 17:26 | <vagrantc> subsume: you could also use pastebot.ltsp.org :)
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| 17:26 | <subsume> ok.
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| 17:27 | <vagrantc> subsume: file /opt/ltsp/images/fati386.img
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| 17:27 | <subsume> vagrantc: no such file
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| 17:28 | its i386.img.
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| 17:28 | <vagrantc> subsume: anything in /opt/ltsp/images ?
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| 17:28 | <subsume> yepo. ^
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| 17:28 | <vagrantc> well, that's your problem.
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| 17:28 | <subsume> I'd say that's a problem!
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| 17:28 | <vagrantc> edit /etc/inetd.conf to point to i386.img
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| 17:28 | <subsume> but where the heck is the fati386 coming from?
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| 17:28 | ok.
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| 17:28 | <vagrantc> and then restart inetd ...
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| 17:29 | invoke-rc.d openbsd-inetd restart
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| 17:29 | subsume: maybe you followed the instructions exactly?
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| 17:29 | <subsume> vagrantc: I never touched that file.
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| 17:29 | <vagrantc> they would create a fati386
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| 17:29 | sudo ltsp-build-client --base /opt/ltsp/ --chroot fati386 --prompt-rootpass
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| 17:30 | * vagrantc wouldn't recommend using --base or --chroot unless you're willing to make patches to fix all the bugs | |
| 17:30 | <subsume> vagrantc: now TFTP is timing out
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| 17:31 | <johnny> hmm.. so .. i'm trying to figure out why my script isn't getting the right root path..
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| 17:32 | <vagrantc> those instructions use fati386 all over the place, and it can really complicate the issue...
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| 17:32 | <subsume> vagrantc: I ignored the fat directive.
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| 17:32 | but maybe I mistyped.
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| 17:32 | <vagrantc> subsume: apparently only partially
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| 17:32 | <subsume> crap.
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| 17:33 | TFTP is timing out now... is there something I need to do?
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| 17:33 | <vagrantc> subsume: egrep ^tftp /etc/inetd.conf
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| 17:33 | <subsume> tftp dgram udp wait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /srv/tftp
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| 17:33 | that's the only line
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| 17:34 | <vagrantc> subsume: looks like you configured tftp to not use the default location
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| 17:34 | <subsume> I don't know how I would have done that
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| 17:34 | <vagrantc> nor do i
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| 17:34 | <subsume> when I start up, I don't see a broadcast address
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| 17:34 | is that a problem?
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| 17:36 | <vagrantc> subsume: so, you've got a number of things set up in non-default locations ...
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| 17:37 | <subsume> Hmpf.
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| 17:37 | i restarted tftp.
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| 17:37 | meh, nothing.
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| 17:38 | <vagrantc> does /srv/tftp/ltsp/ exist?
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| 17:38 | <subsume> no
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| 17:38 | <vagrantc> that's probably why.
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| 17:38 | <subsume> you sure that's ubuntu default?
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| 17:38 | Because I simply installed the package.
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| 17:39 | <vagrantc> i'm 99% certain that's *not* the ubuntu default for the allowable tftp servers that ltsp-server depends on.
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| 17:39 | <johnny> /var/lib/tftpboot
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| 17:39 | that's ubuntu default
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| 17:40 | <vagrantc> and there's probably tasty ltsp kernels sitting in there to download.
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| 17:40 | <subsume> vagrantc: so I need to updated my inetd.conf?
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| 17:40 | <vagrantc> something, somewhere, configured it differently.
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| 17:40 | vagrantc: sure ...
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| 17:41 | and then restart inetd ...
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| 17:41 | <subsume> I think I ran it through xinetd
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| 17:41 | <johnny> inetd is default on ubuntu
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| 17:41 | <vagrantc> openbsd-inetd, i think
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| 17:41 | <johnny> yes
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| 17:42 | <vagrantc> subsume: how did you install this system?
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| 17:42 | <subsume> vagrantc: as described in that doc except I followed https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Netboot for tftp
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| 17:42 | <vagrantc> it seems like a number of things are a little unusual.
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| 17:44 | <subsume> tftp dgram udp wait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /var/lib/tftpboot
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| 17:44 | ^^ yet TFTP timeout persists
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| 17:44 | <vagrantc> subsume: did you restart openbsd-inetd ?
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| 17:44 | <subsume> yes.
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| 17:44 | <vagrantc> well, it's all kinds of broken.
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| 17:44 | <subsume> do I need to mess with xinetd?
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| 17:45 | it works
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| 17:45 | as soon as i restarted xinetd (I think)
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| 17:45 | <vagrantc> egads.
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| 17:45 | <subsume> booted into ubuntu (with some errors)
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| 17:46 | <vagrantc> i haven't used xinetd in so many years ...
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| 17:46 | <johnny> you shouldn't be using both i think
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| 17:46 | ?
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| 17:46 | <vagrantc> in general, it's a little odd to use both
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| 17:46 | although if they're each listening on different ports, it's probably not an issue ...
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| 17:47 | but the chances of getting some sort of muck-up are high.
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| 17:47 | <subsume> yeah.
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| 17:47 | I think it was a workaround for tftp errors.
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| 17:47 | but as you discovered tftp was poorly setup
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| 17:48 | so my workaround was probably not necessary.
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| 17:48 | <vagrantc> so, we've got a really messed up system. might be easier to start over than to repair the damage.
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| 17:48 | <subsume> depends. Any quick way to make the ubuntu login screen go away so I can scroll to the startup errors?
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| 17:48 | <vagrantc> s,we,you,g
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| 17:49 | subsume: on the server or the client?
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| 17:49 | <subsume> client
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| 17:49 | <vagrantc> set SCREEN_07=shell
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| 17:49 | in lts.conf
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| 17:49 | <subsume> in that pxe conf?
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| 17:49 | hmm..
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| 17:50 | <vagrantc> /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 17:50 | <subsume> i need to update the image after i do that, right?
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| 17:50 | oh, no. ok
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| 17:50 | vagrantc: funny that you mention that. lts.conf is having syntax errors
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| 17:51 | * vagrantc wonders what else could possibly go wrong | |
| 17:51 | <subsume> Per the fat client doc it contains two lines "RCFILE_00=/etc/nfsmounts.sh" and "RCFILE_01=/etc/startgdm.sh"
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| 17:52 | vagrantc: adding that to lts.conf didn't change the startup screen
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| 18:13 | <vagrantc> subsume: SCREEN_07=shell ?
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| 18:16 | <subsume> working now.
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| 18:16 | whew.
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| 18:16 | yeah, still got syntax error in /etc/lts.conf line=1
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| 18:17 | should I be getting ltsp login: prompt if ldap is properly installed on the client, vagrantc ?
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| 18:18 | <vagrantc> SCREEN_07=shell will stop the graphical login from showing up
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| 18:19 | subsume: you know, the document you followed does some things that are prone to error, and some things that may be just a bit off ...
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| 18:19 | <bardyr> hey
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| 18:19 | <subsume> yes, I know =)
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| 18:19 | I've been updating it.
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| 18:19 | <vagrantc> subsume: your machine is in a state which is hard for me to support, since i work on debian and not ubuntu ... they're similar, but there's enough differences that i'm having a bit of trouble helping.
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| 18:20 | <subsume> yeah, I'm sorry.
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| 18:20 | I appreciate your help
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| 18:20 | <vagrantc> well, don't be sorry ...
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| 18:20 | <subsume> hell its booting.
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| 18:20 | =)
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| 18:20 | <bardyr> is there a guide on setting users up, and basic management or any graphical tools?
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| 18:20 | <subsume> I'm just not famil with ltsp. I am famil with ldap.
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| 18:20 | <vagrantc> subsume: i'm ldap-clueless
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| 18:21 | <subsume> vagrantc: well, what's ltsp login?
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| 18:23 | I'm chrooted into /opt/ltsp/i386 and yet 'adduser' tells me i already exist (and its not in the chroot /etc/passwd)
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| 18:24 | nvm
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| 18:24 | ltsp is working great
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| 18:26 | <bardyr> i have a 250mhz, 128mb ram box, should ltsp be very very slow or is it just a bad configuration?
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| 18:30 | <subsume> vagrantc: what steps would you recommend to completely start over? =)
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| 19:18 | <jammcq> hey kidz
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| 19:29 | <bardyr> has anybody tried installing gnome in ltsp in ubuntu hardy?
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| 19:31 | <subsume> hmm
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| 19:31 | gusty here
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| 19:31 | How many fat clients loading full edubuntu desktop could you say would run off of 1 server?
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| 19:32 | <bardyr> x clients
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| 19:32 | <subsume> bardyr: ?
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| 19:32 | <bardyr> subsume, 1 server is a very loose term
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| 19:32 | <subsume> bardyr: hmm.
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| 19:33 | bardyr: I don't know the specs on this server.
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| 20:25 | <johnny> subsume, you shouldn't go hacking ltsp so much if you don't know how it works
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| 20:25 | that's the reason i'm working on the gentoo port
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| 20:25 | so i can figure the thing out
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| 20:25 | <subsume> johnny: that's very adventurous of you. Unfortunately I don't have a choice =)
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| 20:26 | I just want this darned lab tow ork
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| 20:26 | to work.
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| 20:26 | <johnny> well if you don't know how it works
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| 20:26 | how are you going to get it to work when running outside the standard
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| 20:26 | it's one thing if you are doing everything standard.. but you are't
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| 20:26 | <subsume> johnny: believe me, I wish I never had to think about ltsp. =)
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| 20:27 | nice as you guys are.
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| 20:27 | I'm just a perfectionist I guess and I want this lab rocking
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| 20:27 | I'm an important adventurer for Ubuntu =)
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| 20:27 | <johnny> then learn more :)
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| 20:27 | <subsume> Here I am hanging out with you brilliant people--how can I not?
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| 20:27 | <vagrantc> subsume: have you gotten a "normal" thin-client install working?
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| 20:28 | <subsume> vagrantc: never in my life. but I don't need a normal thin client.
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| 20:28 | <vagrantc> subsume: but installing it, getting it to work, etc. will be much easier, and then you can add the fatclient stuff after the fact.
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| 20:28 | i.e. do not run before you can walk
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| 20:29 | <subsume> yeah, you're probably right.
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| 20:29 | Hell, I'm not even sure how what I'm doing is fat at all.
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| 20:29 | <vagrantc> subsume: if you've got an edubuntu alternate CD, i think there's an option to install an LTSP server ...
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| 20:29 | that's probably the easiest way to get *something* working
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| 20:30 | <subsume> vagrantc: then I'd have to redo samba and a million other things
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| 20:32 | <vagrantc> subsume: can you set up a second server just for testing and experimentation?
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| 20:32 | <subsume> vagrantc: not that I doubt you're wisdom. You're absolutely right. I'm grateful you guys even pay attention to me.
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| 20:32 | <vagrantc> just so you can see what's it's supposed to look like ...
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| 20:32 | <subsume> vagrantc: suppose I could.
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| 20:39 | What's the proper way to setup tftp in ubuntu? I tried but it doesn't exist in inetd.conf
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| 21:21 | <petre> evening all
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| 21:22 | <jammcq> hey petre
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| 21:22 | <petre> hey jammcq, how've you been?
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| 21:23 | <jammcq> very busy. how bout you?
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| 21:23 | <petre> same, thus not very active on the lists lately
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| 21:25 | how's your medical business going?
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| 21:27 | <jammcq> it's good
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| 21:27 | real good
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| 21:27 | sucking up all my time
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| 21:29 | <petre> I keep thinking we'll cross paths at some point, at least if your clients take medicare patients
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| 21:29 | <jammcq> well, some of them do
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| 21:31 | <petre> if they do their billing directly to medicare (not through an aggregator), then their either using dial-up, or our services over the internet
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| 21:31 | <jammcq> in NY, they are sending direct to medicare. in michigan, we go to BCBSM or WPS
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| 21:33 | <petre> In NY they just had a conversion, moving to a different data site that providers have to connect to
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| 21:33 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 21:33 | NY is a couple different regions. we're sending to UMD (Upstate Medicare Division)
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| 21:34 | <petre> we've been having some sort of big push to get them to go through our service although I don't quite understand the details
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| 21:34 | and we handle a lot (most? all?) connections to WPS.
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| 21:34 | <jammcq> cool
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| 21:35 | <petre> Yeah, it's good place work, very FOSS oriented
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| 21:35 | <jammcq> we're setting up a connection now to Emdeon
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| 21:35 | <petre> I recognize that name, although I don't know anything about them, heard it around the office occasionally
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| 21:37 | I saw a message from ogra a few weeks ago in which he said he's not working full-time on edubuntu any more (?)
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| 21:40 | <jammcq> yeah, Ubuntu's not putting much effort into Edubuntu these days
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| 21:41 | <petre> is he still doing ubuntu/canonical stuff?
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| 21:41 | <jammcq> yeah
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| 21:41 | he's got lots of other stuff assigned to him
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| 21:43 | <petre> I signed up for Warren's k12linux list; hope to take f8 or f9 & ltsp5 out for a spin in the next few weeks
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| 21:44 | I presume you saw the message from Jim Kronebusch, about moving to the "110% MS" hospital
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| 21:44 | <jammcq> hmm, no
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| 21:44 | yeah, warren has been here every day, working on ltsp-5/fedora integration
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| 21:45 | <petre> They called him up, offered him a bunch more $$
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| 21:45 | <jammcq> wow
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| 21:46 | <petre> Jim & I talked briefly about trying to do another LTSP & schools conference, but we're both too busy, and last year's turnout was demoralizing
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| 21:46 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 21:47 | <petre> It was partly my fault: the flyers we mailed last year were just plain white paper, not school-bus yellow like the year before
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| 21:47 | <jammcq> it's hard to be a cheerleader, trying to get people to adopt what you are pushing
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| 21:47 | <petre> yes, really frustrating.
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| 21:47 | I can buy a dual-core box with 2GB ram for $350 right now
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| 21:48 | <jammcq> heh
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| 21:48 | <petre> enought to power a whole classroom of old-PCs-as-thin-clients
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| 21:48 | $100 for a switch, $50 for cables
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| 21:49 | so for $500 they could buy one PC for the class or a server and donated clients for 1:1 student to computers in that same classroom
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| 21:49 | Macs & Windows are just madness
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| 21:49 | I don't understand why people don't see that
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| 21:49 | <chup> gates has the fix in.
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| 21:50 | <jammcq> hey chup
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| 21:50 | <chup> yo jim
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| 21:51 | <petre> is anyone besides Warren working on LTSP & RH/F?
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| 21:51 | <jammcq> he's pretty much running solo
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| 21:51 | <petre> here in #ltsp I mean
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| 21:51 | <chup> bill has had so many years to influence the market.
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| 21:51 | <petre> sigh, I hope he doesn't burn out like Eric
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| 21:52 | <jammcq> there's some Opensuse guys who hang out here, they're having some good success lately
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| 21:53 | <petre> chup: I think it's also that the techs at schools are young, not very well paid, and don't have much experience
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| 21:53 | tend to stick with what they know
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| 21:53 | <chup> trudat. And we are too old to believe
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| 21:53 | <petre> are you guys gonna do 'ltsp by the sea' next November or so?
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| 21:54 | <jammcq> I'm planning on it
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| 21:54 | wanna come?
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| 21:54 | <petre> yeah, I do
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| 21:54 | <jammcq> we did it last year, had a WONDERFUL time
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| 21:55 | caught the tail end of a hurricane
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| 21:55 | it was pretty cool
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| 21:55 | <chup> where is the sea?
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| 21:55 | <petre> Maine
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| 21:55 | <jammcq> SW Harbor, Maine
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| 21:55 | <chup> ahh
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| 21:55 | <petre> my wife wants to go to Denver in Aug. for the Democratic convention; I'd stay home with the kids
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| 21:56 | so, tit-for-tat, I'll try to come to LBTS
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| 21:56 | how many were you last year? 12 or so?
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| 21:57 | <jammcq> umm, I think 14 or 15
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| 21:57 | a couple guys could only stay 1 day
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| 21:57 | <chup> no linuxworld?
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| 21:57 | <jammcq> Gadi, Ogra, sbalneav and a bunch of others were there
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| 21:57 | no, haven't done Linuxworld in a while
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| 21:57 | <petre> isn't it usually something like Thur-Sun?
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| 21:58 | <jammcq> yeah, that's what we try for, but it was right after Ubuntu dev summit in boston, and that ran until friday
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| 21:58 | so we went friday night - Monday
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| 21:58 | next time, we'll try to stay clear of Ubuntu's dev summit
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| 21:59 | <petre> where do you fly into?
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| 21:59 | <jammcq> Warren and eHarrison were also there
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| 21:59 | you could fly into Boston, Portland or Bangor
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| 21:59 | bangor being the closest
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| 21:59 | I drove
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| 21:59 | <petre> That was Warren's first, wasn't it?
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| 21:59 | <jammcq> yeah, first time for BTS for warren
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| 21:59 | he's been to a couple other LTSP events tho
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| 21:59 | had him here back in September of 06 for a LTSP Hackfest
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| 22:02 | <petre> oh, to be independently wealthy: I'd spend my days hacking on ltsp, occasionally go show it to some charter school where they're not hide-bound wedded to Windows or Macs
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| 22:03 | <jammcq> I'm headed down to brazil again on apr 15th
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| 22:03 | <petre> you drove? from Detroit?
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| 22:03 | * jammcq loves going there | |
| 22:03 | <jammcq> yeah, drove
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| 22:03 | <petre> how long?
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| 22:04 | <jammcq> which?
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| 22:04 | <petre> maine
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| 22:04 | drive, I mean
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| 22:04 | <jammcq> to drive? umm, it's a very long day
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| 22:04 | but I have a customer in Rochester, NY that I stopped at, so I split the drive over 2 days
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| 22:05 | <petre> Not so bad then, I guess.
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| 22:06 | Oops, gotta run. I want to hear about Brazil. I'll try to get on #ltsp tomorrow night.
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| 22:06 | <jammcq> ciao
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