IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 8 November 2013 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:16 | <Hyperbyte> SeRi, Enslaver is the one who maintains these packages.
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| 00:20 | <SeRi> Hyperbyte: o ok.
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| 00:20 | There is something really wrong up-stream :P
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| 00:21 | <Enslaver> que?
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| 00:21 | i'm working on 5.4.5-24 as we speak
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| 00:21 | <SeRi> Enslaver: hello! :) I am doing a yum install ltsp-server and the version coming down has an issue
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| 00:22 | PB: http://pastebin.com/Cyf5XkVk
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| 00:22 | <Enslaver> yup =) had an issue with -24, had to do an emergency roll back to 22
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| 00:22 | <SeRi> That one is broken as well :(
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| 00:23 | Enslaver: is there a work around for this issue on 22? or should I wait for 24?
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| 00:24 | <Enslaver> whats the issue?
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| 00:24 | <SeRi> Enslaver: http://pastebin.com/Cyf5XkVk
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| 00:24 | It's stop right at 78% when building the client
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| 00:25 | <Enslaver> SeRi: ah, try "echo RUN_FIRSTBOOT >/etc/sysconfig/firstboot"
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| 00:25 | err
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| 00:25 | "echo RUN_FIRSTBOOT=no > /etc/sysconfig/firstboot"
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| 00:26 | <SeRi> Enslaver: Thanks ill try that now.
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| 00:30 | Enslaver: where do I put this variable?
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| 00:31 | <Enslaver> you can run the full command on the ltsp server
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| 00:32 | <SeRi> Enslaver: Thanks
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| 00:36 | <vagrantc> Enslaver: wished we could've crossed paths at BTS
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| 00:37 | <Enslaver> vagrantc, yeah unfortunately i got my vacation canceled because i'm the new guy at my company and the guy who's been there longer had a trip to disney world planns
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| 00:38 | <vagrantc> Enslaver: we'll just have to arrange events more often :)
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| 00:38 | <Enslaver> LTSP by the Houston Downtown bum
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| 00:39 | <vagrantc> oh, i think i have those dates booked already
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| 00:39 | <Enslaver> lmao
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| 00:41 | <vagrantc> the bum i could handle, dunno about houston
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| 00:42 | <Enslaver> I know how you feel, i want out of here
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| 00:42 | Get me a job where you work
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| 00:43 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 00:43 | be careful what you wish for
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| 00:43 | <Enslaver> anything could be better then what I'm doing now
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| 00:43 | i'm close to going and offering myself to strangers on the corner
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| 00:47 | <vagrantc> auto-enslaver
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| 01:34 | <SeRi> Enslaver: You must hate your job :)
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| 01:34 | <Enslaver> can't complain too much, better than my last one
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| 01:36 | <SeRi> ah. I see. new job ehh?
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| 01:37 | Any job it's better than what I do... IT at a church... ughhhhh
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| 14:11 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: any chance I could fit in a patch to 025-artwork before your upload?
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| 14:56 | <sbalneav> Morninf all
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| 14:59 | <ogra_> morninf to you too
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| 15:37 | <bennabiy> morning
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| 16:50 | <bennabiy> hmm, I wonder why those ltsp-pnp scripts are not included.
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| 16:51 | I am still getting Script //usr/share/ltsp/ltsp-cleanup does not exist, cannot cleanup the chroot. when trying to build my client image
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| 16:51 | alkisg: are those scripts part of your greek schools packaging, and not actually in upstream source?
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| 16:55 | hmm. those scripts are in the client... but I am trying to run on server. do I need to copy that file to my server?
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| 16:58 | <bennabiy> does ltsp-cleanup actually modify what is on the server, or just affect what makes it into the image?
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| 16:58 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: the hooks should definitely be present in any remotely recent package
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| 16:59 | <bennabiy> yes, I found them.. .although it seems to be a flaw that it is defaulting to looking in the chroot, but there is no chroot for ltsp-pnp
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| 16:59 | <vagrantc> it cleans out the things it inherrits from the server but shouldn't be on the client in the union mount
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| 17:00 | bennabiy: it sort of creates a virtual chroot using aufs/overlays and the server's filesystems
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| 17:02 | <bennabiy> I just looked at its code, and it looks like it removes users and changes keys... but I do not want to lose my users on my server ...
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| 17:03 | <vagrantc> it doesn't modify the server's files, just the files in the virtual chroot
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| 17:04 | so it uses the server's files as a base, and then layers and removes files on top of it to create the client image
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| 17:05 | but the server's files are untouched
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| 17:05 | barring disasterous bugs
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| 17:06 | <bennabiy> hmm...
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| 17:06 | do I...
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| 17:08 | <vagrantc> can't say not knowing
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| 17:15 | <bennabiy> It looks like it does it for the chroot, but when the chroot is your actual system...
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| 17:22 | <vagrantc> but it is not your actual system any more than the thin clients modifying files locally change files on your server
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| 17:22 | <bennabiy> So am I safe to copy the file to the directory it is looking for?
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| 17:23 | The only copy I have of that file is in the source code, and in an existing chroot
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| 17:23 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: it actually creates a separate filesystem, with all the server files readonly, and a layer n top where writes are allowed
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| 17:23 | bennabiy: do you have the ltsp-client packages installed on the server? that's needed for ltsp-pnp
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| 17:24 | <bennabiy> nope. that might be why
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| 17:24 | <vagrantc> yup
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| 17:24 | <bennabiy> alkisg told me not to follow the directions since I already have a working install
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| 17:25 | <vagrantc> well, if you don't want to break your working install, that's good advice
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| 17:25 | but only half-following the instructions sounds more dangerous :p
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| 17:26 | <bennabiy> I thought he said just needed to run the ltsp-update-image -c / but it complains
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| 17:27 | it is willing, and will keep building, but not cleanup
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| 17:28 | ok, so now it should be fine
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| 17:28 | <vagrantc> because you don't have the packages that ship those files...
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| 17:30 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 17:30 | now I do
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| 17:30 | <vagrantc> if you don't have the ltsp-client packages, even if it generates and image, it will fail to boot
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| 17:30 | <bennabiy> Basically, I am trying to move myself off the server, and onto a fat client
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| 17:31 | because it doesnt have ltspfs and such right?
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| 17:31 | and nbd-client
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| 17:31 | and tftp-hpa...
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| 17:31 | <vagrantc> even more fundamental than that
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| 17:32 | it doesn't have any of the ltsp client code...
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| 17:32 | including the init wrapper
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| 17:32 | <bennabiy> Just Because™
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| 17:32 | yes
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| 17:32 | <vagrantc> it's like trying to ride a bicycle without the bike
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| 17:33 | <bennabiy> my daughter does that very well
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| 17:33 | she lays on her back, and peddles
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| 17:33 | granted, she gets no where, but she has a great time at it
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| 17:33 | <vagrantc> :)
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| 17:34 | <bennabiy> ok, well, off to lunch then
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| 17:34 | Do we have time to squeeze in an artwork update this afternoon?
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| 17:35 | I am going to be out from about noon on, your time, so I need to do it before then
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| 17:36 | Is it normal for the update of initramfs to hang?
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| 17:56 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: so you got the ldm theme into mint?
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| 17:57 | bennabiy: simplest thing would just be to add it to late_packages
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| 17:58 | bennabiy: in set-mint-dist
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| 18:11 | <bennabiy> Ok
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| 18:12 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: only reason ubuntu needs the artwork detection is because of several *buntu variants
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| 18:13 | <bennabiy> ok
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| 18:13 | update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.8.0-32-generic
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| 18:13 | been stuck at this since I left
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| 18:13 | after installing ltsp-client
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| 18:14 | <vagrantc> installing it on the server?
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| 18:14 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 18:15 | <vagrantc> do you have lots of mounts from rnning ltsp-update-image?
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| 18:16 | <bennabiy> I typically have lots of mounts anyways...
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| 18:16 | what mounts am I looking for?
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| 18:16 | cgroup?
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| 18:17 | <vagrantc> stuff you don't normally see...
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| 18:17 | it's just a hunch
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| 18:25 | <bennabiy> hmm.. This is puzzling
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| 18:29 | vagrantc: Merge request there
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| 18:30 | only change is to add to late mirror
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| 18:36 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: so there's a package on the mint repos now?
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| 18:39 | bennabiy: ldm-mint-theme?
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| 18:40 | 1
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| 18:42 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 18:42 | <vagrantc> nice
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| 18:42 | <bennabiy> the mint developers are really nice
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| 18:43 | very helpful
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| 18:43 | you might drop in some time and say hi.
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| 18:43 | ;)
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| 18:43 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: you might ask them to include updated ltsp/ldm/ltspfs packages before it gets into debian/ubuntu
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| 18:43 | then you wouldn't need your ppa
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| 18:44 | <bennabiy> what is the best format to usE?
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| 18:44 | <vagrantc> ?
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| 18:44 | format for what?
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| 18:44 | <bennabiy> as far as the packaging etc
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| 18:45 | I am just using the packaging from the greek schools
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| 18:46 | vagrantc: if you could email me the information on doing that, I will gladly talk to them
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| 18:47 | are you thinking of me just building the packages on my machine, and giving them debs to host until it makes it downstream?
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| 18:49 | <vagrantc> i am thinking you need to talk to mint devs about it
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| 18:50 | i don't know their proceses
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| 19:11 | <bennabiy> hmmm /dev/nbd0 does not exist... do I need to restart nbd to update for the fat client?
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| 19:12 | <vagrantc> does not exist where?
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| 19:13 | <bennabiy> Gave up waiting for root device busybox
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| 19:16 | when trying to boot fat client
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| 19:18 | have you done anything with ltsp-pnp?
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| 19:19 | <vagrantc> fixed it on debian
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| 19:20 | had to get a bunch of patches in for the verion in wheezy, but they're all in debian now
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| 19:20 | bennabiy: is you nbd-server configred?
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| 19:20 | er, they're all in ltsp-trunk now.
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| 19:21 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 19:21 | It is what I have been using.
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| 19:21 | and my thin clients work fine
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| 19:22 | do I need to increase my rootdelay?
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| 19:22 | <vagrantc> shouldn't
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| 19:22 | you using custom boot menus, or the default?
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| 19:22 | <bennabiy> custom
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| 19:23 | <vagrantc> maybe your customizations aren't quite right?
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| 19:23 | <bennabiy> but copied the generated info from the generated default. then added ltsp/amd64 in front of it
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| 19:26 | ok, so neither are working...
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| 19:26 | bah!
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| 19:26 | It pulls the plymouth, but not any further
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| 19:28 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: for a one-line patch, no need for a merge request if someone's around to review it
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| 19:28 | <bennabiy> Thanks for telling me.. :)
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| 19:30 | <vagrantc> but feel free to make a request if you'd rather... less likely to get lost
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| 19:32 | <bennabiy> is it possible for you to merge it?
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| 19:40 | <alkisg> Hi guys
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| 19:42 | <bennabiy> alkisg: I need you!
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| 19:43 | * bennabiy waves | |
| 19:43 | * alkisg won't stay long, but shoot, what's the issue? | |
| 19:43 | <bennabiy> I am trying to get my fat client / ltsp-pnp image to boot, but I am getting busybox
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| 19:44 | I tried to get that custom menu working as well ( and it came up, but had issues booting the clients past plymouth)
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| 19:45 | Also, ever since my system installed ltsp-client , I cannot get update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.8.0-33-generic
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| 19:45 | to go past that
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| 19:46 | <alkisg> So update-initramfs never completed? That would explain the busybox...
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| 19:46 | <bennabiy> nope
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| 19:47 | <alkisg> If it stucks at "generating /boot/initrd.img-3.8.0-33-generic" then it needs some serious debugging, more than I can offer right now... :)
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| 19:48 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: aleady merged your request
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| 19:48 | <bennabiy> thank you :)
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| 19:48 | * vagrantc made the foolish assumption bennabiy ad gotten past the initramfs stalling out | |
| 19:53 | <bennabiy> I think I just need to reboot, but I have people using the system right now
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| 19:54 | * vagrantc wouldn't have tried any of that on a production system | |
| 19:55 | <bennabiy> alksig assured me... ;)
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| 19:55 | <alkisg> You didn't install anything, just ran ltsp-update-image -c /, right?
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| 19:56 | <bennabiy> as per vagrantc I needed to install ltsp-client, so I did
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| 19:56 | and it was during that that initramfs stalled out
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| 19:56 | the -c scripts were only existing within the chroot I had made
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| 19:57 | so it was erroring that they were not available
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| 19:58 | <vagrantc> it was also failing to run the ltsp-cleanup steps...
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| 19:58 | before installing ltsp-client
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| 19:58 | <bennabiy> ltsp-cleanup script is in the chroot, but the server was not a chroot
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| 19:59 | so it was not in the server
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| 19:59 | <vagrantc> alkisg: was wondering if ltsp-pnp mode could install ltsp-client as part of the image building process
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| 19:59 | * alkisg was reading the logs, yeah bennabiy I didn't look at the wiki page instructions so I forgot to mention ltsp-client | |
| 20:00 | <bennabiy> so I had started the build process and cancelled it a couple times. wonder if that would have bombed the initramfs
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| 20:00 | what would the mounts look like that might be in place locking it?
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| 20:00 | <vagrantc> that's why i was wondering if there were leftover mounts or something
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| 20:01 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I don't have any handy example, but I guess there can be cases where ltsp-client isn't needed at all in the "chroot"...
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| 20:01 | <vagrantc> alkisg: suppose so...
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| 20:01 | alkisg: but it's not really needed on the server either
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| 20:02 | <alkisg> True :)
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| 20:02 | <bennabiy> The initramfs is still stalled... is there a good way to see what is locking up?
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| 20:04 | * vagrantc wonders if mint has some hooks to initramfs-tools... | |
| 20:07 | <bennabiy> cryptroot x 3
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| 20:08 | <vagrantc> mint-specific hooks?
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| 20:08 | or scripts, or anything that might do strangeness
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| 20:09 | <bennabiy> I probably need to just do a reboot. I do some strangeness on my system... that might account for it, although it usually does not have issues.
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| 20:09 | * vagrantc wonders if it's due to bugs in the running kernel and overlayfs/aufs patches | |
| 20:09 | <bennabiy> mint does not use the stock ubuntu kernel
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| 20:10 | <vagrantc> all the more reaso to suspect it wouldn't work
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| 20:10 | <alkisg> ltsp-update-image -c also isn't bulletproof, killing it while running shouldn't be a habbit...
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| 20:10 | <bennabiy> I asked...
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| 20:11 | <vagrantc> rebooting will at least set you to a hopefully clean slate
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| 20:11 | or a less dirty slate
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| 20:15 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 20:17 | <Jason_Huck_> Hi, looking for someone to help us install LTSP on OpenSUSE and provide guidance at an hourly rate. We tried reaching out to DisklessWorkstations and got no response.
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| 20:19 | <alkisg> (10:10:18 μμ) bennabiy: I asked... ==> but noone answered :)
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| 20:20 | * bennabiy cries... | |
| 20:20 | <bennabiy> I got scared!
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| 20:20 | I didnt know what to do!
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| 20:20 | ;)
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| 20:20 | * bennabiy looks to the sky... | |
| 20:20 | <bennabiy> Where? Oh where were you in my time of need?!?
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| 20:27 | hmm. once again.. no answer
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| 20:45 | <bennabiy> well, I guess I need to reboot after the weekend...
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| 20:45 | * bennabiy waves | |
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