IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 17 May 2007 (all times are UTC)
| 00:18 | <chupa> lol
| |
| 00:26 | fernando1 has quit IRC | |
| 01:16 | dean_za_ has joined #ltsp | |
| 01:20 | highvoltage has quit IRC | |
| 01:20 | dean_za has quit IRC | |
| 01:21 | highvoltage has joined #ltsp | |
| 01:25 | highvoltage has quit IRC | |
| 01:25 | highvoltage has joined #ltsp | |
| 01:42 | jumako has joined #ltsp | |
| 01:52 | Avatara has joined #ltsp | |
| 02:07 | vagrantc has joined #ltsp | |
| 02:08 | fernando1 has joined #ltsp | |
| 02:08 | freet15 has quit IRC | |
| 02:16 | freet15 has joined #ltsp | |
| 02:27 | gonzaloaf has quit IRC | |
| 02:31 | freet15 has joined #ltsp | |
| 02:34 | jernst has joined #ltsp | |
| 02:37 | gonzaloaf has joined #ltsp | |
| 02:40 | vmlintu has quit IRC | |
| 02:58 | bobby_C has joined #ltsp | |
| 03:04 | cliebow has quit IRC | |
| 03:20 | vagrantc has quit IRC | |
| 03:29 | root has joined #ltsp | |
| 03:29 | <root> hay
| |
| 03:31 | am using via rhino 2 nic card on thin client
| |
| 03:31 | ltsp4.2u2 wont pick that card
| |
| 03:31 | basically ip
| |
| 03:31 | it hangs on that
| |
| 03:31 | any idea?
| |
| 03:32 | cliebow has joined #ltsp | |
| 03:35 | vanya has joined #ltsp | |
| 03:42 | jsgotangco has joined #ltsp | |
| 03:43 | agike has joined #ltsp | |
| 03:57 | <root> helo
| |
| 03:57 | Burgundavia has joined #ltsp | |
| 03:57 | agike has quit IRC | |
| 03:57 | <root> any one there
| |
| 03:59 | spectra has joined #ltsp | |
| 04:00 | jernst has left #ltsp | |
| 04:03 | privet has quit IRC | |
| 04:18 | bobby_C has quit IRC | |
| 04:20 | jsgotangco has quit IRC | |
| 04:23 | privet has joined #ltsp | |
| 04:58 | meduxa has joined #ltsp | |
| 05:08 | envite has joined #ltsp | |
| 05:08 | <envite> ¡Hola a todos desde España!
| |
| 05:09 | Hello all from Spain!
| |
| 05:16 | Burgundavia has quit IRC | |
| 05:22 | freet15 has quit IRC | |
| 05:28 | <root> hi all
| |
| 05:29 | am using novel linux desktop with sp3
| |
| 05:29 | i have install ltsp4.2 u2
| |
| 05:29 | my hp thin clint with via card wont pick the ip from dhcp
| |
| 05:29 | its stucks
| |
| 05:29 | any idea
| |
| 05:32 | with kerenl 2.4.26-ltsp-3 it picks ip and boot lernel but hangs then asking enter runlevel
| |
| 05:33 | with kernel 2.6.17.3-ltsp-1 it wont pick ip
| |
| 05:36 | meduxa has quit IRC | |
| 05:38 | MoL0ToV has joined #ltsp | |
| 05:39 | sadmin has joined #ltsp | |
| 05:41 | f3ew has joined #ltsp | |
| 05:41 | <f3ew> Life?
| |
| 05:45 | <root> helo
| |
| 05:45 | any idea?
| |
| 05:58 | Q-FUNK has joined #ltsp | |
| 06:01 | <envite> root: if one kernel boots and the other does not boot...
| |
| 06:01 | are you sure that both of them are being correctly passed to the client?
| |
| 06:01 | nf1 has joined #ltsp | |
| 06:02 | <envite> use a sniffer to check the packages
| |
| 06:02 | s/packages/packets
| |
| 06:02 | <f3ew> Can I send audio out to end nodes from a central Asterisk box?
| |
| 06:02 | We are looking at migrating to thin clients, and have USB based hpones
| |
| 06:03 | phones
| |
| 06:03 | trying to see if a Linux based solution will work out
| |
| 06:07 | jumako has quit IRC | |
| 06:08 | Q-FUNK has quit IRC | |
| 06:09 | <envite> f3ew: to send audio, sure
| |
| 06:09 | I think the problem is more in the other way
| |
| 06:09 | to receive audio from the clients
| |
| 06:10 | Hmmm
| |
| 06:10 | Maybe Pulseaudio, I've not tried it yet
| |
| 06:12 | jsgotangco has joined #ltsp | |
| 06:16 | vagrantc has joined #ltsp | |
| 06:16 | bronze is now known as savetheWorld | |
| 06:17 | MoL0ToV has quit IRC | |
| 06:19 | vagrantc has quit IRC | |
| 06:20 | <root> pyes
| |
| 06:20 | yes
| |
| 06:21 | envite
| |
| 06:21 | i ahve install ltsp4.2
| |
| 06:21 | its works fne on lts4.2
| |
| 06:21 | now i need usb and local device support
| |
| 06:21 | any idea
| |
| 06:21 | am downlaoding fuse
| |
| 06:21 | <f3ew> envite, phones :P
| |
| 06:22 | <envite> ltsp4.2 works great with usb local devices
| |
| 06:22 | and yes, you need fuse to do it
| |
| 06:22 | <root> ok
| |
| 06:22 | <f3ew> Hmmm
| |
| 06:23 | <envite> f3ew: I know. but a usb phone plugged in the client is not more than a speaker and a microphone
| |
| 06:23 | thus you need to send audio in two ways
| |
| 06:23 | <root> hay
| |
| 06:23 | http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DownLoads
| |
| 06:23 | see this link
| |
| 06:23 | <envite> root: I know it
| |
| 06:23 | a5benwillis has quit IRC | |
| 06:24 | <root> it says for suee 9.2 and opensuse i have to install ltsp-server-pkg-fedora-0.1-1.i386.rpm
| |
| 06:24 | <f3ew> envite, I know
| |
| 06:24 | <envite> root: first of all, try to get fuse from your own distro
| |
| 06:24 | <root> is this necessary
| |
| 06:24 | ok
| |
| 06:24 | am going to download source of fuse
| |
| 06:29 | <envite> wait
| |
| 06:29 | first, try to see if there is precompiled fuse from your suse
| |
| 06:30 | <root> well
| |
| 06:30 | i have novell linux dsktop
| |
| 06:30 | i have tried to search fuse through yast
| |
| 06:30 | i wont see
| |
| 06:31 | should i go for fuse source
| |
| 06:31 | ?
| |
| 06:32 | federicoco has joined #ltsp | |
| 06:33 | <federicoco> hello all!!!!
| |
| 06:33 | another day, another problem :-)
| |
| 06:34 | <root> envite?
| |
| 06:35 | <federicoco> this is configuration: ltsp-4.2, kernel 2.6.16.1 / 2.6.17.3 / 2.6.17.8
| |
| 06:35 | jammcq_ has quit IRC | |
| 06:35 | <federicoco> nic is RTL8139 but when boot ,
| |
| 06:36 | this error is introduced.... dhcpcd failed
| |
| 06:36 | any idea???
| |
| 06:37 | i try 3 kernel but not! :-(
| |
| 06:38 | <root> envite
| |
| 06:39 | am getting this error when compiling fuse
| |
| 06:39 | configure: error:
| |
| 06:39 | *** Cannot determine the version of the linux kernel source. Please
| |
| 06:39 | *** prepare the kernel before running this script
| |
| 06:39 | configure: error: ./configure failed for kernel
| |
| 06:43 | i ahve kernel 2.6.5-7.244-smp
| |
| 06:43 | any idea
| |
| 06:46 | larry has joined #ltsp | |
| 06:49 | savetheWorld is now known as bronze | |
| 06:53 | vmlintu has joined #ltsp | |
| 06:57 | tiagovaz has joined #ltsp | |
| 07:01 | <Gadi> root: wow- old kernel. why not just upgrade to a newer kernel? fuse has been in the kernel since 2.6.11 or 2.6.14 something like that
| |
| 07:02 | if you need to compile against your current kernel, you'll need the kernel *source* (which you can get from the distro's repository)
| |
| 07:04 | ogra has quit IRC | |
| 07:05 | plamengr has joined #ltsp | |
| 07:05 | <root> envite
| |
| 07:05 | i ahve installed fuse
| |
| 07:05 | but seems nothing happens
| |
| 07:05 | ?
| |
| 07:11 | Avatara has quit IRC | |
| 07:14 | Avatara has joined #ltsp | |
| 07:16 | <root> guys
| |
| 07:16 | i ahve installed fuse on novel linux on ltsp 4.2
| |
| 07:16 | on thin client shell i am seeing kingston usb is detected on sda1
| |
| 07:17 | but i cant see on GUI
| |
| 07:17 | should i install install X11::Protocol
| |
| 07:17 | through cpan
| |
| 07:18 | <Gadi> root: have you gone through each of these steps: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Troubleshooting
| |
| 07:20 | <root> but am using novel linux desktop
| |
| 07:20 | i agve to follw open suse and suse9.2 thinsg
| |
| 07:20 | right
| |
| 07:21 | gadi one more thing
| |
| 07:21 | i agve installed fuse
| |
| 07:21 | i add fuse group manually
| |
| 07:21 | is that right
| |
| 07:21 | <Gadi> take a look at Step 11 in the link above
| |
| 07:22 | it talks about things that might happen when you install fuse yourself
| |
| 07:22 | doesnt matter that you are using novell
| |
| 07:22 | that link should still help troubleshoot
| |
| 07:23 | i have to go for a bit, but I recommend you go through that troubleshooting step by step
| |
| 07:23 | bbiab
| |
| 07:24 | Guaraldo has joined #ltsp | |
| 07:24 | <Guaraldo> serv identify uBuzasl
| |
| 07:27 | <f3ew> oops
| |
| 07:28 | <Guaraldo> Oh... well...
| |
| 07:35 | <federicoco> hi gadi!!
| |
| 07:35 | mhterres has joined #ltsp | |
| 07:36 | <mhterres> morning
| |
| 07:39 | <federicoco> this is configuration: ltsp-4.2, kernel 2.6.16.1 / 2.6.17.3 / 2.6.17.8
| |
| 07:39 | nic is RTL8139 but when boot ,this error is introduced.... dhcpcd failed
| |
| 07:39 | any idea?
| |
| 07:44 | meduxa has joined #ltsp | |
| 07:46 | savetheWorld has joined #ltsp | |
| 07:48 | happywithed has joined #ltsp | |
| 07:50 | <happywithed> Hello there.
| |
| 07:50 | <moquist> happywithed: Hi.
| |
| 07:50 | <happywithed> I recently installed an Edubuntu classroom and would like some help with some configuration issues
| |
| 07:50 | Here is a diagram of the setup http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21271/
| |
| 07:51 | * moquist prepares a batch of Instant Respect(TM) | |
| 07:52 | <happywithed> The problem, as you can see, is that I have two different subnets. One serving my LTSP clients and one serving my *other* machines
| |
| 07:52 | <highvoltage> moquist: ooh
| |
| 07:52 | <moquist> happywithed: can you do DHCP on the Edubuntu system instead of the router?
| |
| 07:53 | <happywithed> Moquist. That's exactly what I would like to do
| |
| 07:53 | <moquist> Instant Respect was an inter-channel joke...
| |
| 07:53 | <happywithed> I just don' t know how
| |
| 07:53 | OK, LOL
| |
| 07:54 | <moquist> happywithed: connect the switch above the Mac to the switch under the Edubuntu server...? that's one way that would get the job done.
| |
| 07:54 | Oh, right. You need the routing.
| |
| 07:55 | happywithed: 1) stop DHCP on the router. 2) connect the DHCP interface of the Edubuntu server to the switch above the Mac.
| |
| 07:55 | happywithed: 3) connect the TCs to the same switch, or connect their switch to the Mac switch.
| |
| 07:55 | <happywithed> Do you mean to physically connect an ethernet wire between the two switches in the diagram?
| |
| 07:55 | <moquist> happywithed: 3) connect the TCs to the Mac switch, or connect their switch to the Mac switch.
| |
| 07:55 | happywithed: Sure, that's the second formulation of #3. :)
| |
| 07:56 | happywithed: You'll additionally have to make sure that the dhcpd configuration on the Edubuntu server has the correct router, DNS servers, and (perhapse) netbios-name-server info.
| |
| 07:56 | <happywithed> I think I tried that already and it didn't work, thus the current config
| |
| 07:57 | <moquist> Oh.
| |
| 07:57 | What I've described is exactly how I recommend that people do it, when possible.
| |
| 07:57 | <happywithed> The problem is that the Edubuntu only does dhcp to thin clients for security reasons.
| |
| 07:57 | <moquist> That's what we do in each of our 10-or-so schools.
| |
| 07:58 | happywithed: I don't follow you there. You can do DHCP anywhere you want, except that you need to be able to tell TCs where to get their kernels and root filesystems.
| |
| 07:58 | <happywithed> Ok, let me see if I understand. 1) I stop the dhcp router (the Lynsys, right?)
| |
| 07:59 | <moquist> happywithed: It's generally the most convenient just to leave DHCP on the Edubuntu server.
| |
| 07:59 | 1) yep, stop DHCP on the Linksys(sp?).
| |
| 07:59 | <f3ew> Linksys
| |
| 07:59 | <happywithed> 2) I　connect the internet raw wire to the edubuntu server directly
| |
| 07:59 | <moquist> f3ew: yeah, but I wasn't sure that's what happywithed has. :)
| |
| 08:00 | 2) Nope, connect the Edubuntu server to the Linksys, which (I trust) is serving as a firewall for your network.
| |
| 08:00 | 2) Nope, connect the Edubuntu server to the Linksys, which (I trust) is serving as a router&firewall for your network.
| |
| 08:00 | <happywithed> OK, so on one I don't physically disconnect the Lynksys router, but I just dissable DHCP, right?
| |
| 08:00 | <moquist> happywithed: Right.
| |
| 08:01 | <happywithed> Yes, the lynksys is servering as router/firewall
| |
| 08:02 | Now, on 3) I connect all the machines including the TCs, printers, Macs and, dare I say, Windows machines to the same switch?
| |
| 08:02 | <moquist> happywithed: for example, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21273/
| |
| 08:02 | happywithed: yep.
| |
| 08:02 | happywithed: Wait, scratch that.
| |
| 08:02 | * moquist fixes the paste | |
| 08:04 | joebaker has joined #ltsp | |
| 08:04 | <happywithed> OK, just as a test. I am going to connect a WinXP Laptop to the switch serving the TCs
| |
| 08:04 | <moquist> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21274/
| |
| 08:05 | highvoltage has quit IRC | |
| 08:05 | highvoltage has joined #ltsp | |
| 08:05 | <moquist> happywithed: OK. That should work fine as long as you have "option routers 192.168.0.1;" in your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf file.
| |
| 08:05 | <happywithed> Let me see
| |
| 08:06 | <moquist> happywithed: and (probably) "option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.1;"
| |
| 08:07 | happywithed: If you wish you can run 'apt-get install bind9' on the edubuntu server and put "option domain-name-servers 192.168.1.254;" in your dhcpd.conf instead.
| |
| 08:07 | happywithed: If you have a netmask of 255.255.255.0, then the above IP addresses won't work, BTW.
| |
| 08:08 | happywithed: I recommend changing the IP address of the edubuntu server to 192.168.0.254, and make sure dhcpd.conf is handing out address is the 192.168.0.* range instead.
| |
| 08:08 | * moquist munges the paste again | |
| 08:08 | <joebaker> You can reference a dns server outside your subnet so long as the "option routers" is correct.
| |
| 08:09 | <happywithed> Ok,here is what I have on /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21276/
| |
| 08:10 | My "option routers" points to 192.168.1.1 instead
| |
| 08:11 | In my setup eth0 is on 192.168.1.1 and is the interface to the TC
| |
| 08:11 | eth1 is on 192.168.0.1 and is the interface to the router
| |
| 08:14 | BTW, here is my /etc/network/interfaces file http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21277/
| |
| 08:14 | <joebaker> happywithed: Option routers should point to the LTSP server itself at 192.168.1.254 shouldn't it? Your drawing shows the Edubuntu server's IP address as 192.168.1.254
| |
| 08:15 | <happywithed> Yes, the edubuntu server is at that IP address
| |
| 08:15 | <joebaker> Is the edubuntu server also the gateway?
| |
| 08:16 | <moquist> happywithed: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21278/
| |
| 08:16 | <happywithed> Yes, but just for the TCs
| |
| 08:16 | <moquist> joebaker: But he doesn't actually want the edubuntu server to be a rounter, if I understand him correctly.
| |
| 08:16 | <joebaker> ...the gateway for the thin clients... ok. the dhcp server you're setting up is just for the thin client subnet?
| |
| 08:17 | <moquist> happywithed: Do you *want* the edubuntu server to be a router/gateway? I thought you didn't.
| |
| 08:17 | cliebow_ has joined #ltsp | |
| 08:17 | <happywithed> Actually yes, but I would like to have them on the same subnet.
| |
| 08:17 | <joebaker> thanks moquist. I joined the conversation half way in. I was impressed by happywithed's diagrams so I thought I'd jump in.
| |
| 08:18 | <happywithed> I would prefer to keep the current router as a router, firewall and gateway
| |
| 08:18 | <cliebow_> anyone else using winblows dhcp to pass pxe options?>
| |
| 08:18 | <moquist> joebaker: Ha! happywithed was told in #edubuntu that he would get "instant respect" by flashing those diagrams in here. :)
| |
| 08:18 | <joebaker> :)
| |
| 08:18 | <moquist> cliebow_: Not lately.
| |
| 08:18 | <happywithed> LOL
| |
| 08:18 | <cliebow_> moquist:pingoo
| |
| 08:18 | <moquist> cliebow_: pongo! purdy!
| |
| 08:18 | <cliebow_> any p[lace where unh courses discussed?
| |
| 08:19 | * moquist remembers the "barking chain" | |
| 08:19 | <moquist> cliebow_: Not yet, but I'll be working like a mad hatter on that today.
| |
| 08:19 | <cliebow_> cool..got some interest here..
| |
| 08:20 | <happywithed> OK, once I change my setup, what do I need to do to stop, start, reboot, rehash, replenish, respect, my services? ;-)
| |
| 08:20 | <cliebow_> bad or missing discoveryserver mean ought to you?
| |
| 08:20 | <joebaker> /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server stop
| |
| 08:20 | <cliebow_> i have next-server(option 66
| |
| 08:20 | <joebaker> /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server start
| |
| 08:21 | <moquist> happywithed: I think you want a dhcpd.conf like this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21279/
| |
| 08:21 | <cliebow_> and 67 just like the last pxe machine
| |
| 08:21 | <moquist> happywithed: That's assuming that your router (192.168.0.1) is providing DNS service.
| |
| 08:21 | happywithed: /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart
| |
| 08:21 | happywithed: sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart
| |
| 08:21 | <happywithed> yes, it is providing DNS as well
| |
| 08:22 | <moquist> cliebow_: Er, um, nope. Sorry.
| |
| 08:22 | <joebaker> Do you actually have a machine/router at 192.168.1.1 ?
| |
| 08:22 | <moquist> joebaker: I don't think he does, but that didn't matter before 'cuz TCs didn't need the router.
| |
| 08:22 | <joebaker> probably true....
| |
| 08:23 | <happywithed> moquist: so the option routers should be left as 192.168.0.1, right?
| |
| 08:23 | <joebaker> But if you put a laptop into that subnet... and wanted internet access....
| |
| 08:23 | <moquist> happywithed: Yes. that should point to your actual router.
| |
| 08:23 | joebaker: exactly. that's what we're fixing. :)
| |
| 08:24 | <happywithed> joebaker: 192.168.1.1 is the interface (eth0) on the edubuntu server serving the TCs
| |
| 08:24 | <joebaker> Does Edubuntu enable IP packet forwarding by default as a gateway/router? I use Ubuntu with LTSP-server-standalone added.
| |
| 08:25 | I'll get you the magic IPTables command for enabling packet forwarding... one second.
| |
| 08:25 | <moquist> happywithed: But you're changing eth0 to be 192.168.0.254, right?
| |
| 08:25 | joebaker: No, it doesn't automagically do masquerading. But happywithed doesn't want it to, anyway.
| |
| 08:26 | happywithed: Quite honestly, this would be simpler if you just removed eth1 from your edubuntu server. :)
| |
| 08:26 | <cliebow_> joebaker..push that on to me as well
| |
| 08:26 | <moquist> happywithed: Then we wouldn't be confused about its role (which should be "to sit idle").
| |
| 08:26 | <happywithed> I see
| |
| 08:27 | that's interesting, because the edubuntu manual suggests a server with two nics
| |
| 08:27 | <meduxa> hi, we are going to do some benchmark in college classroom where we are going to use XEN + LTSP on the server and some thin clients (e2300 among them),some recicled computers and some new PC's
| |
| 08:27 | <moquist> happywithed: Yeah, that's for a different setup than what you're aiming for.
| |
| 08:27 | <happywithed> right
| |
| 08:27 | <meduxa> what tools do you thinks are interesting to benchmark the client
| |
| 08:28 | we are using ltsp 4.2
| |
| 08:28 | <happywithed> I have no problem removing eth1 if that would solve the problem
| |
| 08:28 | <moquist> happywithed: They're recommending something that's really easy to drop into a much larger network where the Edubuntu admin has much less control than you seem to have over your network.
| |
| 08:29 | happywithed: It won't actually solve any problems, it would just simplify our discussion. So now that we've discussed it, that's probably sufficient. :)
| |
| 08:30 | <root> hay gadi
| |
| 08:30 | i have followed the steps
| |
| 08:30 | i am seeing drives folder but no data in it
| |
| 08:30 | any idea
| |
| 08:30 | <joebaker> happywithed, moquist.... edit this file -> /etc/sysctl.conf remove the comment symbol "#" from this line... net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 then reboot
| |
| 08:31 | <moquist> happywithed: I think you want an /etc/networking/interfaces file like this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21280/
| |
| 08:31 | jsgotangco has quit IRC | |
| 08:32 | <moquist> joebaker: but happywithed doesn't *want* that.
| |
| 08:33 | happywithed: the interfaces file I posted just swaps 'eth0' for 'eth1' and vice-versa, and then comments out the (new) 'auto eth1' line, so eth1 won't come up by default.
| |
| 08:34 | <cliebow_> gd windows
| |
| 08:34 | <happywithed> ok let me recap: 0) stop dhcp on the router 192.168.0.1 0.1) Change my /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21279/ 1) stop DHCP on the router 2) connect the DHCP interface of the Edubuntu server to the switch above the Mac. 3) connect the TCs to the same switch, or connect their switch to the Mac switch.
| |
| 08:35 | Then /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server stop and /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server start
| |
| 08:35 | <cliebow_> root:you arent really root are you?
| |
| 08:35 | <joebaker> happywithed: You don't currently run DHCP on your network do you?
| |
| 08:35 | <moquist> happywithed: Sure. The point is that you only have one Edubuntu network interface in use, and it's on the same subnet as all your other machines and the connection from your router. You run DHCP on the Edubuntu server instead of the router.
| |
| 08:35 | <cliebow_> gd windows
| |
| 08:35 | _EXP has joined #ltsp | |
| 08:35 | <root> hay am getting this error whn i run mountfs command
| |
| 08:36 | <moquist> joebaker: his router (192.168.0.1) currently runs DHCP.
| |
| 08:36 | <joebaker> Two dhcp servers on the same "collision domain" is a very bad idea unless you're an expert and have a great deal of control over the clients.
| |
| 08:36 | <root> ltspfs: error while loading shared libraries: libfuse.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
| |
| 08:36 | <happywithed> right? Did I miss anything? Yes, I did, use either of the setups in http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21278/
| |
| 08:36 | <moquist> happywithed: Those are both the same.
| |
| 08:37 | <_EXP> how i can remove a program from menu in gnome, so that it removes it from all users?
| |
| 08:37 | <moquist> _EXP: rm /usr/share/applications/program.desktop
| |
| 08:37 | <happywithed> I think I only want one DHCP server that will be running on the Edubuntu server as mosquist suggested
| |
| 08:37 | <moquist> _EXP: Of course, any smart user can still execute the program from a shell, or simply create a new launcher.
| |
| 08:37 | tiagovaz has quit IRC | |
| 08:37 | <happywithed> I am dissabling the DHCP server on the router
| |
| 08:38 | <joebaker> Tell me about the 192.168.0.1 machine . Is it a Linux box? Can you put your dhcpd.conf file into it?
| |
| 08:38 | <happywithed> I am dissabling the DHCP as in step 0 in my recapt above
| |
| 08:38 | <joebaker> happywithed: never mind, that's a good plan so long as you only have one DHCP server runnign.
| |
| 08:39 | <happywithed> The 192.168.0.1 is a Broadband router with firewall. I am dissabling DHCP as in step 0 in my recap
| |
| 08:39 | <joebaker> joebaker@nelfc.com __ I'll be away for a while...
| |
| 08:39 | <happywithed> Thanks joebaker
| |
| 08:39 | <_EXP> | |
| 08:40 | <happywithed> mosquist: I'll be trying this out, so I will disconnect for a while. Any other suggestions before I move foward?
| |
| 08:40 | dean_za_ has quit IRC | |
| 08:42 | <moquist> happywithed: nope. good luck!
| |
| 08:46 | tiagovaz has joined #ltsp | |
| 08:47 | happywithed has quit IRC | |
| 08:48 | frustratedwithed has joined #ltsp | |
| 08:48 | frustratedwithed is now known as happywithed | |
| 08:49 | <root> envite
| |
| 08:49 | u there
| |
| 08:49 | mattwalston has quit IRC | |
| 08:49 | <happywithed> mosquist: one more thing, I almost forgot
| |
| 08:49 | federicoco has quit IRC | |
| 08:49 | <joebaker> http://www.ducea.com/2006/08/01/how-to-enable-ip-forwarding-in-linux/ happywithed: Here's a page which discusses making a linux box pass traffic between two seperate "networks" or "collision domains" where each network card is dedicated to it's own subnet.
| |
| 08:50 | <happywithed> what do I do with my my /etc/network/interfaces file http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21277/
| |
| 08:51 | joebaker: thanks for the link
| |
| 08:52 | <joebaker> happywithed: if you get rid of the second network interface, you need to change the subnet for everything to 192.168.0
| |
| 08:52 | <happywithed> OK
| |
| 08:53 | So, I'll comment out the eth1 block and change everything on eth0 to 192.168.0.* right?
| |
| 08:53 | <joebaker> Some people run multiple subnets on a single ethernet interface, but that's advanced stuff. It can be done, but I wouldn't recommend it.
| |
| 08:53 | <root> guys
| |
| 08:53 | i need ur little help
| |
| 08:54 | <happywithed> In that case I'll log off and try all of this stuff out.
| |
| 08:54 | <root> on shell it seems my usb is picking
| |
| 08:54 | but in GUI home dir
| |
| 08:54 | <joebaker> Right. You might also need to make a note of the MAC addresses of the cards. A file called /etc/iftab also might reference those cards.
| |
| 08:54 | <root> am seeing Drives folder
| |
| 08:54 | its empty?
| |
| 08:54 | <happywithed> thanks again. I'll take note
| |
| 08:54 | plamengr has quit IRC | |
| 08:55 | <happywithed> bye for now, but I'll be back
| |
| 08:55 | happywithed has quit IRC | |
| 08:55 | <joebaker> happywithed: make sure your dhcpd.conf file also is adjusted to only give out information pertaining to 192.168.0.x. Also you need to be careful not to give out IP addresses to statically assigned machines on your network.
| |
| 08:56 | I hope his machine works after he reboots :)
| |
| 08:57 | Avatara has quit IRC | |
| 09:00 | <Gadi> root: lsmod|grep fuse
| |
| 09:00 | root: sounds like you may not have installed fuse properly or may not be loading the module
| |
| 09:01 | dean_za_ has joined #ltsp | |
| 09:01 | <cliebow_> any one read the yahoo story on samba bugs..priviledge elevation?
| |
| 09:04 | <vmlintu> Has anyone else noticed a problem with ltspfsd in ltsp-4.2 that leaves device mounts active on the thin client's filesystem even if the usb device has been removed?
| |
| 09:05 | <root> hai vmlintu
| |
| 09:05 | with 4.2 i am unable to see my usb
| |
| 09:05 | what u do to mount that usb
| |
| 09:05 | <Gadi> (09:59:04 AM) Gadi: root: lsmod|grep fuse
| |
| 09:05 | (09:59:35 AM) Gadi: root: sounds like you may not have installed fuse properly or may not be loading the module
| |
| 09:07 | <vmlintu> That happens for me for example when removing a usb memory stick just before lbussd on the server has added the icon on the user's desktop.
| |
| 09:08 | <root> lsmod |grep fuse
| |
| 09:08 | fuse 58008 0
| |
| 09:08 | <vmlintu> The problem seems to be that ltspfsd doesn't call am_umount when the connection breaks while the device is mounted and I got it working better by adding an extra am_umount in ltspfsd, but I'm not sure if that's the right way to fix it.
| |
| 09:09 | <root> i have download the fuse source and compile it n that it
| |
| 09:09 | ogra has joined #ltsp | |
| 09:09 | <Gadi> root: do you still get that shared library error?
| |
| 09:10 | <sadmin> hi
| |
| 09:10 | Avatara has joined #ltsp | |
| 09:10 | <root> well when i run ltspfs on command
| |
| 09:10 | it give sahred lib error
| |
| 09:10 | <Gadi> do this:
| |
| 09:11 | which ltspfs
| |
| 09:11 | <root> it says /usr/sbin/ltspfs
| |
| 09:11 | <Gadi> then: ldd /usr/sbin/ltspfs
| |
| 09:12 | <root> linux-gate.so.1 => (0xffffe000)
| |
| 09:12 | libpthread.so.0 => /lib/libpthread.so.0 (0x55584000)
| |
| 09:12 | ibfuse.so.2 => not found
| |
| 09:12 | libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x555d7000)
| |
| 09:12 | /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x55555000)
| |
| 09:13 | <Gadi> ibfuse.so.2 => not found
| |
| 09:13 | that is your problem
| |
| 09:13 | <root> so what i do
| |
| 09:13 | <Gadi> where is libfuse.so.2 installed?
| |
| 09:13 | is it in /usr/lib or /lib?
| |
| 09:13 | sbalneav has joined #ltsp | |
| 09:13 | <ogra> !s
| |
| 09:13 | <ltspbot> ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
| |
| 09:13 | <sbalneav> Morning all!
| |
| 09:14 | <Gadi> whichever it is, you need to make sure that directory is in /etc/ld.so.conf
| |
| 09:14 | <root> its in /usr/lib
| |
| 09:14 | <sbalneav> Morning ogra, Gadi
| |
| 09:15 | <root> what i do for this
| |
| 09:15 | in /etc/ld.so.conf.d/
| |
| 09:15 | of ld.so.conf
| |
| 09:16 | <vmlintu> sbalneav: Hi, would you be able to help me with a potential bug in ltspfsd?
| |
| 09:16 | * ogra is at a point where his classmate boots ltsp5 only 20sec slower than 4.2 ... | |
| 09:16 | <sbalneav> Sure, what's the problem?
| |
| 09:16 | <root> gai i wont have /etc/ld.so.conf dir
| |
| 09:16 | <Gadi> root: /etc/ld.so.conf or /etc/ld.so.conf.d/<file> should have "/usr/lib" as an entry
| |
| 09:16 | <sbalneav> ogra: Cool news!
| |
| 09:17 | <ogra> well, not sure if its safe to do what i did
| |
| 09:17 | <Gadi> root: then, ldconfig
| |
| 09:17 | morning, sbalneav
| |
| 09:17 | <vmlintu> sbalneav: It leaves mounted usb sticks on the thin client if I remove the stick at wrong time
| |
| 09:17 | sbalneav: That happens for me for example when removing a usb memory stick just before lbussd on the server has added the icon on the user's desktop.
| |
| 09:17 | <root> i /etc/ld.so.conf file i have an entry /usr/lib
| |
| 09:18 | <ogra> sbalneav, i decided to not wait on the second udev run to finish ... that could break badly but gains us around 30sec
| |
| 09:18 | <sbalneav> vmlintu: This is on 4.2?
| |
| 09:18 | <vmlintu> sbalneav: yes
| |
| 09:18 | sbalneav: The problem seems to be that ltspfsd doesn't call am_umount when the connection breaks while the device is mounted and I got it working better by adding an extra am_umount call in ltspfsd.c, but I'm not sure if that's the right way to fix it.
| |
| 09:19 | <Gadi> root: run "ldconfig" as root and run that "ldd" command again
| |
| 09:19 | <root> i did still link -s /usr/local/lib/libfuse.so.2
| |
| 09:19 | i run that but still fuse is not found
| |
| 09:19 | <Gadi> ah
| |
| 09:19 | <ogra> sbalneav, the "Loading hardware drivers ..." step is supposed to wait until udev has settled i let it run in the background and just move on with the boot ... it seems not to break but i wonder what happens with faster clients, there will be races
| |
| 09:19 | <Gadi> add /usr/local/lib to ld.so.conf
| |
| 09:20 | then run "ldconfig" as root
| |
| 09:20 | it should show up in ldd then
| |
| 09:20 | <root> i did
| |
| 09:20 | still no use
| |
| 09:20 | hay see the link u send me
| |
| 09:20 | its says after compliing the fuse from source
| |
| 09:20 | go to /usr/lib
| |
| 09:20 | duir
| |
| 09:20 | <sbalneav> vmlintu: If the connection's broken, that instance of the ltspfsd will die. So, probably, I should call the umount as standard procedure before I exit.
| |
| 09:20 | <root> and run this link -s /usr/local/lib/libfuse.so.2
| |
| 09:21 | i did ln -s /usr/local/lib/libfuse.so.2 instead of link -s
| |
| 09:21 | <sbalneav> ogra: Wonder why udev takes so long on that box. 30 seconds seems a LONG time for udev.
| |
| 09:21 | Normally udev's quite fast.
| |
| 09:22 | <vmlintu> sbalneav: Sorry, I meant to write that if the read from the device fails, it doesn't call am_umount
| |
| 09:22 | <ogra> udevt5rigger triggers every device on the system once
| |
| 09:22 | udevtrigger
| |
| 09:23 | envite has quit IRC | |
| 09:23 | <sbalneav> vmlintu: Well, if the READ fails, that doesn't necessarily mean that you need to do a umount.
| |
| 09:23 | <root> gadi
| |
| 09:23 | still ldd not works
| |
| 09:23 | libfuse is missing
| |
| 09:24 | should i rebot my machine
| |
| 09:24 | <Gadi> root: recompile fuse with "./configure --prefix=/usr"
| |
| 09:24 | <root> what this does
| |
| 09:24 | <Gadi> (do a make distclean first)
| |
| 09:24 | <root> for knowledge
| |
| 09:24 | <Gadi> it will install to /usr/lib/libfuse.so.2
| |
| 09:25 | instead of /usr/local/lib
| |
| 09:25 | <root> i compile fuse-2.5.3
| |
| 09:25 | is this ok
| |
| 09:25 | Mineque has joined #ltsp | |
| 09:25 | <Gadi> should be
| |
| 09:25 | <sbalneav> Gadi: What distro is root running?
| |
| 09:25 | <Gadi> novell
| |
| 09:25 | <sbalneav> And they don't have a fuse package? Yikes!
| |
| 09:26 | <root> novel linux desktop
| |
| 09:26 | <Gadi> he's on an old kernel
| |
| 09:26 | <sbalneav> Which version?
| |
| 09:26 | <Gadi> 2.6.5
| |
| 09:26 | <vmlintu> sbalneav: Could ltspfsd somehow figure out that the device was removed and it failed for that reason?
| |
| 09:26 | <sbalneav> Fuse doesn't work reliably with anything 2.6.9
| |
| 09:27 | <root> gadi i recompile it and run ldd /usr/sbin/ltspfs
| |
| 09:27 | it still says libfuse not found
| |
| 09:27 | <ogra> yeah .5 is ancient and surely not very secure
| |
| 09:27 | <sbalneav> vmlintu: no, that's not ltspfsd's job. ltspfsd is just reading and writing to files on a filesystem, it doesn't have any concept of devices. That should be udev's job.
| |
| 09:27 | sorry, anything before 2.6.9
| |
| 09:27 | <Gadi> root: can you simply install a newer kernel?
| |
| 09:28 | <vmlintu> sbalneav: What happens now is the the users don't wait long enough for ltspfsd to call umount after initial mount as they think that the usb stick works because it takes a few seconds for the icon to appear on the desktop
| |
| 09:28 | sbalneav: So I should go to udev to call umount on the mount point that ltspfsd left behind?
| |
| 09:29 | <root> gadi what u mean
| |
| 09:29 | simple install new kernel on ?
| |
| 09:29 | <Gadi> root: upgrade the kernel on the server
| |
| 09:29 | to 2.6.14 or greater
| |
| 09:30 | <sbalneav> There shouldn't need to be a umount
| |
| 09:30 | vmlintu: if you take a look in the remove_fstab_entry, there's a umount in there.
| |
| 09:31 | I'm confused. Are you getting a hung mount on the CLIENT, or a hung ltspfs mount on the SERVER?
| |
| 09:31 | <vmlintu> sbalneav: on the client
| |
| 09:31 | <sbalneav> So, people are pulling the stick, and if you're on a text console on the client, the mount is still there?
| |
| 09:32 | <vmlintu> sbalneav: The problem is quite time critical and it happens only when you remove the device after ltspfsd has done initial mount on it and before it has called am_umount for the first time after lbussd has created the icon
| |
| 09:32 | sbalneav: yes
| |
| 09:32 | <sbalneav> That shouldn't be happening, as the remove_fstab_entry does a umount -l
| |
| 09:33 | <vmlintu> sbalneav: where should the remove_fstab_entry be?
| |
| 09:33 | <sbalneav> On 4.2, I can't remember. /usr/lib/udev, or /lib/udev
| |
| 09:34 | cd /opt/ltsp/i386 ; find . -name "remove_fstab_entry" will find it for sure :)
| |
| 09:34 | psyco-obiwan has quit IRC | |
| 09:34 | <vmlintu> sbalneav: nothing
| |
| 09:35 | <sbalneav> Well, that would be a problem, then, wouldn't it :)
| |
| 09:35 | <vmlintu> sbalneav: which package should contain the file?
| |
| 09:35 | <sbalneav> In 4.2?
| |
| 09:36 | Hmm
| |
| 09:36 | <vmlintu> yes
| |
| 09:36 | <sbalneav> Can't remember.
| |
| 09:36 | probably the ltspfs one.
| |
| 09:36 | <vmlintu> I have the whole lbe-tree here and there's no file with that name
| |
| 09:37 | cliebow_ has quit IRC | |
| 09:37 | <sbalneav> Take a look in the udev rules
| |
| 09:37 | maybe I'm mis-remembering things.
| |
| 09:38 | We're not working on 4.2 anymore, so I might be confused.
| |
| 09:38 | fernando1 has quit IRC | |
| 09:38 | <root> hay gadi
| |
| 09:38 | new thing
| |
| 09:38 | i just reboot my machine aftre recmpiling fuse
| |
| 09:38 | now whn i plug the usd DSIK 50 GB
| |
| 09:38 | jammcq has joined #ltsp | |
| 09:38 | <jammcq> g'morning
| |
| 09:38 | <root> it makes and icon in desktop and in home/Drives folder
| |
| 09:39 | <sbalneav> Morning jammcq!
| |
| 09:39 | <jammcq> !s
| |
| 09:39 | <root> named removeable disk_MB
| |
| 09:39 | <ltspbot> jammcq: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
| |
| 09:39 | psyco-obiwan has joined #ltsp | |
| 09:39 | <root> any idea
| |
| 09:39 | <vmlintu> sbalneav: moving this setup to ltsp5 has to wait still some time, so I think I need to figure this out somehow
| |
| 09:39 | <root> seems closer to work
| |
| 09:39 | plz help
| |
| 09:39 | <Gadi> root: is it still empty?
| |
| 09:39 | <root> yes
| |
| 09:40 | <sbalneav> vmlintu: Have a look in the $LTSP/etc/udev/rules.d folder
| |
| 09:40 | <root> empty
| |
| 09:40 | <sbalneav> look for the ltsp ruleset.
| |
| 09:40 | <root> is 50 GB disk does size mater
| |
| 09:40 | <sbalneav> root: You'll want to follow the checklist for getting localdevs going.
| |
| 09:40 | !checklist
| |
| 09:40 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "checklist" is The checklist for debugging problems with local device access is at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Troubleshooting. Please work through all 12 steps, record the results, and paste the results to the pastebot at http://pastebot.ltsp.org
| |
| 09:41 | <vmlintu> sbalneav: I can see it calling /etc/udev/scripts/ltsp-device.sh
| |
| 09:41 | <sbalneav> ah, ok
| |
| 09:41 | have a look in there then.
| |
| 09:41 | look in the remove section
| |
| 09:42 | if there isn't a umount -l, you can add one.
| |
| 09:42 | <Gadi> root: how is the drive partitioned?
| |
| 09:42 | <sbalneav> that should fix the problem
| |
| 09:42 | <Gadi> if it is ntfs, it may not show up
| |
| 09:42 | <sbalneav> that way, udev will umount the device when it yanks it.
| |
| 09:42 | <vmlintu> sbalneav: there's no umount -l there
| |
| 09:42 | <sbalneav> ok
| |
| 09:43 | <vmlintu> sbalneav: at which point it should be called?
| |
| 09:43 | <sbalneav> dunno
| |
| 09:43 | don't have the script in front of me :)
| |
| 09:43 | <joebaker> mosquist: Happywithed never came back after rebooting....
| |
| 09:43 | <sbalneav> I'd have to look at it. Paste it to the pastebot, and I'll take a look.
| |
| 09:43 | !pastebot.
| |
| 09:43 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: Error: "pastebot." is not a valid command.
| |
| 09:44 | <sbalneav> !pastebot
| |
| 09:44 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
| |
| 09:44 | fernando1 has joined #ltsp | |
| 09:44 | _EXP has left #ltsp | |
| 09:44 | <ltsppbot> "vmlintu" pasted "ltsp-device.sh" (213 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/138
| |
| 09:45 | ogra has quit IRC | |
| 09:46 | <sbalneav> vmlintu: ok
| |
| 09:46 | Down at the bottom, where you get the ACTION = remove?
| |
| 09:46 | After MOUNTPOINT=`basename .....`
| |
| 09:46 | You can add a:
| |
| 09:47 | umount -l ${MOUNTPOINT}
| |
| 09:47 | <vmlintu> that makes sense :)
| |
| 09:47 | <sbalneav> That'll do a lazy umount
| |
| 09:47 | Blinny has joined #ltsp | |
| 09:47 | <sbalneav> Or, tell you users to not be so darned impatient :)
| |
| 09:48 | Whichever's easiest.
| |
| 09:48 | :)
| |
| 09:48 | <Blinny> jammcq: ping
| |
| 09:48 | jumako has joined #ltsp | |
| 09:48 | <sbalneav> the umount got added as part of ltsp5
| |
| 09:48 | <vmlintu> sbalneav: I stared the file for some time, but didn't yet understand all of it
| |
| 09:48 | <jammcq> Blinny: hey
| |
| 09:48 | <sbalneav> heh, it's a pretty fined tuned piece of shell programming.
| |
| 09:49 | we go to some pretty fancy lengths to not call external programs.
| |
| 09:49 | ogra has joined #ltsp | |
| 09:49 | <sbalneav> wb ogra
| |
| 09:49 | <vmlintu> sbalneav: I'll test the change to see if that solves the problem. Thanks for help!
| |
| 09:49 | <sbalneav> NP
| |
| 09:50 | <ogra> hmm ... why doesnt xchat have a fullscreen mode :/
| |
| 09:50 | <sbalneav> Cuz no-ones programmed it yet? :)
| |
| 09:50 | <Blinny> jammcq: I just added to a i810 bug at https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7365 and I think you were the assignee/recipient. Is that address the correct place to be reporting this kind of stuff, or do I need to get directly to i810 team, or are you on that team or ...?
| |
| 09:51 | You may have read my account on K12OSN
| |
| 09:51 | <jammcq> Blinny: yeah, I just saw the bug. How much memory do you have in that workstation?
| |
| 09:52 | <Blinny> jammcq: 256MB
| |
| 09:52 | jammcq: We've rapped about this once before I think. Setting X_VIDEORAM doesn't seem to help, though I understand that it _should_
| |
| 09:53 | <sbalneav> ogra: where's the latest copy of your c greeter?
| |
| 09:53 | <Blinny> The problem inherently lies in the BIOS reporting video ram, right?
| |
| 09:53 | <moquist> ogra: I'm looking for your C greeter, too.
| |
| 09:53 | <root> hai gadi
| |
| 09:53 | <ogra> sbalneav, there is a bzr branch ...
| |
| 09:53 | <root> ltspfs on step 11
| |
| 09:53 | <sbalneav> where?
| |
| 09:53 | <root> wont work
| |
| 09:53 | give share lib error
| |
| 09:54 | what to do
| |
| 09:54 | <sbalneav> root: what kind of server do yoy have? 64 bit?
| |
| 09:54 | <root> yes
| |
| 09:54 | <moquist> joebaker: hopefully happywithed didn't' come back because he's all set... :)
| |
| 09:54 | <sbalneav> s/yoy/you/
| |
| 09:54 | * moquist hopes | |
| 09:54 | <Gadi> root: get rid of any symlinks you made with the libraries
| |
| 09:54 | and do "make install" in the fuse again
| |
| 09:54 | <sbalneav> root: that's your problem, the ltspfs binaries are 32 bit.
| |
| 09:55 | <Gadi> ah
| |
| 09:55 | <ogra> sbalneav, i cant start a browser currently ... look on my branches oaqge in LP
| |
| 09:55 | page
| |
| 09:55 | <sbalneav> ok
| |
| 09:55 | thanks ogra
| |
| 09:55 | <moquist> ogra: post the bzr branch info to edubuntu-devel mailing list?
| |
| 09:55 | <root> oh
| |
| 09:55 | <ogra> ldm-gtk-greeter or so
| |
| 09:55 | <root> then
| |
| 09:55 | SBNet has joined #ltsp | |
| 09:55 | <root> what should i do
| |
| 09:55 | any idea
| |
| 09:55 | i ahve 2.6.5-7.244-smp
| |
| 09:55 | kernel
| |
| 09:56 | <ogra> moquist, i'll package gutsys ltsp soon, it will be in there
| |
| 09:56 | <moquist> ogra: OK.
| |
| 09:56 | <sbalneav> root: you need to get 32 bit fuse libraries.
| |
| 09:56 | <ogra> and in the default branch
| |
| 09:56 | <root> gadi i have on one ln
| |
| 09:56 | its in /usr/lib
| |
| 09:56 | dean_za_ has quit IRC | |
| 09:56 | <moquist> ogra: will there be any difficulty testing the C greeter on an otherwise feisty system?
| |
| 09:56 | <root> should i remove it
| |
| 09:57 | <Gadi> yes
| |
| 09:57 | <root> sbalneav
| |
| 09:57 | <Gadi> remove the symlinks you made
| |
| 09:57 | <root> if these are 32bit then what to do
| |
| 09:57 | <Gadi> and do 'make install' again
| |
| 09:57 | <ogra> moquist, it was written on feisty :)
| |
| 09:57 | <root> it wont work for 64 bit
| |
| 09:57 | <moquist> ogra: great. :)
| |
| 09:58 | * ogra tries to get used to the classmate keyboard | |
| 09:58 | <sbalneav> root: How you get 32 bit fuse libraries on your SuSE box is really a distro problem. I'd look for help on that in the suse channel.
| |
| 09:58 | <moquist> ogra: I'm hoping I can come up with some simple steps to get feisty to boot those infernal laptops more quickly, and thereby sell my boss' boss on Edubuntu.
| |
| 09:59 | <ogra> moquist, i have an evil trick for you if you dont tell anybody ;) i just shoved off 30secs of the ltsp5 bootprocess with it
| |
| 09:59 | <Blinny> jammcq: The VESA driver works fine with no X_VIDEORAM, but I can't go higher than 800x600
| |
| 10:00 | <moquist> sbalneav, jammcq: I don't have an LTSP 4.2 system available ATM. Is the kernel config included in there somewhere, or is there an easier way for me to get a copy? (such as asking in #ltsp ;)
| |
| 10:00 | irule has joined #ltsp | |
| 10:01 | <moquist> ogra: Oooooo, I'm *SO* up for evil tricks right now. how shall we arrange for me to learn this evil trick?
| |
| 10:01 | <ogra> jammcq, btw, measuring with break=top-bottom showed that your kernel is pretty exactly 11secs faster
| |
| 10:01 | <sbalneav> ogra: bzr get http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ogra/ltsp/ldm-greeter, right?
| |
| 10:02 | <ogra> moquist, edit the udev initscript and comment the udevmonitor and udevtrigger/settle blocks
| |
| 10:02 | sbalneav, yep
| |
| 10:02 | <moquist> ogra: will do. (not today at home, but tomorrow at work)
| |
| 10:02 | ogra: thanks!
| |
| 10:02 | Egyptian[Home] has joined #ltsp | |
| 10:02 | <ogra> sbalneav, you want the diff of the last two versions, that should be all changes to the default tree
| |
| 10:03 | <sbalneav> ogra: Yikes! Python blows chunks on that!
| |
| 10:03 | <ogra> moquist, tell me if it worked, i'm considering to use it as default if we dont see any breakage around
| |
| 10:03 | <moquist> sbalneav: does that mean "this is way faster than the python implementation"?
| |
| 10:03 | <root> gadi no use
| |
| 10:03 | <moquist> ogra: I will let you know.
| |
| 10:03 | <ogra> thanks
| |
| 10:04 | <root> but yes now it give me size of disk
| |
| 10:04 | taht 50GB
| |
| 10:04 | <sbalneav> ogra: check your private message
| |
| 10:04 | <root> but its empty
| |
| 10:04 | dean_za_ has joined #ltsp | |
| 10:04 | <ogra> yeah, saw it
| |
| 10:04 | <sbalneav> root: right, because you have 64 bit libraries for fuse, and an ltspfs program compiled for 32 bit.
| |
| 10:05 | <root> so what to do
| |
| 10:05 | i have to run usb
| |
| 10:05 | any idea waht to do
| |
| 10:05 | <sbalneav> yeah, get your fuse libraries going with 32 bit.
| |
| 10:06 | <root> but i have 64 bit machine
| |
| 10:06 | its hp prolient
| |
| 10:06 | <sbalneav> right, so you need 32 bit libraries. You need to compile them for 32 bit.
| |
| 10:08 | <root> hum
| |
| 10:08 | ok
| |
| 10:08 | root has left #ltsp | |
| 10:08 | sadmin has quit IRC | |
| 10:08 | <sbalneav> root: Either check on the suse channel, or on the fuse channel to see how to do that.
| |
| 10:09 | I'm surprised that suse doesn't have fuse as an installable package.
| |
| 10:09 | vanya has quit IRC | |
| 10:09 | <sbalneav> An the kernel you're running is like, getting close to two years old.
| |
| 10:11 | root: usually how you do this is install the 32 bit library package that your distro provides for fuse, and that works.
| |
| 10:12 | ogra_ has joined #ltsp | |
| 10:12 | <ogra_> ouch
| |
| 10:13 | sbalneav, whatever you said, i didnt get it ... (battery died)
| |
| 10:13 | ogra has quit IRC | |
| 10:13 | ogra_ is now known as ogra | |
| 10:14 | happywithed has joined #ltsp | |
| 10:15 | <happywithed> Ok, I am back, with mostly success
| |
| 10:15 | <ogra> sbalneav, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ldm-greeter.tgz
| |
| 10:15 | <happywithed> Are you guys still here? mosquit?　Joebaker?
| |
| 10:15 | <sbalneav> ogra: That's the binaries
| |
| 10:15 | <sutula> Does anyone know what needs to work so that my clients can be configured from lts.conf symbolically, rather than with IP only. For example, [192.168.1.131] works but [thin1] doesn't
| |
| 10:16 | <ogra> sbalneav, nope
| |
| 10:16 | sbalneav, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ldm-new-greeter.tgz is binary stuff
| |
| 10:16 | <Blinny> sutula: Probably a hosts or dns problem.
| |
| 10:17 | <sbalneav> ogra: ah, my mistake.
| |
| 10:17 | <happywithed> *moquist
| |
| 10:17 | <sbalneav> ok, I'm gonna do an upgrade edgy->feisty here at work
| |
| 10:17 | wish me luck :)
| |
| 10:17 | <happywithed> good luck
| |
| 10:17 | <ogra> whee
| |
| 10:17 | * sutula notes that this he's using the Debian/Ubuntu packaging (ltsp-server) and the clients don't seem to be able to resolve any hostnames...maybe that's part of the problem | |
| 10:17 | <ogra> sbalneav, dont forget, use update-manager ;)
| |
| 10:17 | <sbalneav> I am :)
| |
| 10:18 | <ogra> great :)
| |
| 10:18 | <sbalneav> stuck in the cd, following the prompts. etc
| |
| 10:18 | Being a good boy.
| |
| 10:18 | <happywithed> OK, I guess moquist is gone and joebaker must be busy
| |
| 10:19 | <sbalneav> happywithed: anything we can help you with?
| |
| 10:19 | <happywithed> I need some help resolving some remaining issues with my ltsp setup. Here is what I did:
| |
| 10:19 | <Blinny> sutula: Probably, yes. Fix that and you'll resolve the other problem.
| |
| 10:20 | <happywithed> I had the following setup initially http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21271/
| |
| 10:20 | <sbalneav> ogra: compile.sh? Looks like someone needs their C programming friend to get them autoconf'd :)
| |
| 10:20 | <ogra> shudder ... autoconf
| |
| 10:20 | <happywithed> I changed it to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21278/ on moquist suggestion
| |
| 10:20 | at the same time I did the following:
| |
| 10:20 | <sbalneav> ogra: it's not so bad, after the lobotomy.
| |
| 10:21 | <ogra> hahaha
| |
| 10:21 | being able to build it -static would be nice ...
| |
| 10:21 | <happywithed> stopped the dchp server on the router because my intention is to have one single dhcp running on the edubuntu server
| |
| 10:22 | <ogra> even though i suspect we'll get several megabytes
| |
| 10:22 | tiagovaz has quit IRC | |
| 10:22 | <happywithed> then I changed my /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf as follows: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21279/
| |
| 10:23 | <sbalneav> happywithed: Wait, didn't I get you all sorted out before with the thin clients hanging off the second ethernet port?
| |
| 10:23 | <happywithed> and then restarted the /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server
| |
| 10:24 | I remember you nick, so maybe. But I wanted to have all the thin clients and other machines in the lab on the same dhcp instead of two subnets as in the first diagram
| |
| 10:25 | <sutula> ogra: With Debian/Ubuntu setup, my client seems to be taking resolv.conf from /opt/ltsp/i386/etc ...does this sound right?
| |
| 10:25 | <happywithed> So far everything is working fine and they seem to be working fine with some minor problems
| |
| 10:25 | sepski has joined #ltsp | |
| 10:26 | <happywithed> Problem 1) I can ping from my non-thin-client machines to my thin client machines, but not the other way around
| |
| 10:26 | Mineque has quit IRC | |
| 10:26 | <happywithed> sbalneav: I am trying to solve that issue now. Can you help?
| |
| 10:26 | Q-FUNK has joined #ltsp | |
| 10:26 | <ogra> sutula, yes, you dont need it, if you urgently want values in there, set DNS_SERVER and SEARCH_DOMAIN in lts.conf
| |
| 10:26 | <sepski> happywithed, iptables --list ?
| |
| 10:28 | <happywithed> sepski: do you mean /etc/iftab ?
| |
| 10:28 | <sbalneav> happywithed: When you say, ping from my thin clients, are you logging into the thin client, opening a window in gnome, and running the ping?
| |
| 10:28 | larry has quit IRC | |
| 10:28 | <sutula> ogra: The reason I *think* I need correct values in there is that without it being correct, the clients don't seem to get their own name symbolically, and thus can't get their config values out of lts.conf by hostname (only by IP)
| |
| 10:28 | <ogra> sutula, but everything in ltsp5 is ip based so there shouldnt be a need for that file
| |
| 10:29 | <sutula> ogra: OK, so getting away from hostnames for this?
| |
| 10:29 | <ogra> well, we usually use MAC adresses ... but if you want to have it name based, feel free
| |
| 10:29 | its just involving a lot of extra work
| |
| 10:30 | like setting up a DNS or maintaining a big hosts file ..
| |
| 10:30 | <happywithed> sbalneav: wait, I was logging from a thin client to my server as admin
| |
| 10:30 | I'll try to log as a different user and try that
| |
| 10:30 | <sutula> ogra: OK, I see the tradeoffs...thanks
| |
| 10:30 | * sutula says "thanks" to Blinny as well | |
| 10:31 | <happywithed> sbalneav: It didn't work as a different user
| |
| 10:31 | I can ping from the server to any of the thin clients or PCs, but not from the thin client to the PCs or viceversa
| |
| 10:32 | I can ping the server from the PCs, though
| |
| 10:32 | and from the thing client to the server
| |
| 10:32 | *thin
| |
| 10:33 | meho_ is now known as meho | |
| 10:35 | Volim-te has joined #ltsp | |
| 10:35 | <happywithed> sbalneav: correction, I can ping from the PCs to the thin client, but not from the thin client to the PC
| |
| 10:36 | <sbalneav> happywithed: ok, can you ping something else?
| |
| 10:36 | like say, 205.200.162.11?
| |
| 10:37 | <happywithed> For instance: I have a WinXP with ip address 192.168.0.249 and a thin client on 192.168.0.248, I can ping from the WinXP to the thin client, but not the other way around
| |
| 10:37 | I'll try
| |
| 10:38 | Yes, from both
| |
| 10:39 | <sbalneav> ok, then there's nothing wrong with the edubuntu box. Perhaps the firewall on the windows machine is blocking ICMP ECHO REQUESTS
| |
| 10:39 | <happywithed> how do I check that?
| |
| 10:40 | Wait, that's a silly question.
| |
| 10:40 | <sbalneav> 205.200.162.11 is my firewall.
| |
| 10:41 | if you can ping that, then the edubuntu box is sending pings. You also respond to pings, because the windows boxes can ping the edubuntu box.
| |
| 10:41 | therefore, problem is on your windows box.
| |
| 10:43 | <happywithed> OK, then that's fine.
| |
| 10:43 | I really don't need to ping to my Wintels.
| |
| 10:44 | cliebow_ has joined #ltsp | |
| 10:44 | <happywithed> What I need is to be able to setup all the machines in the lab, thin clients, wintels and macs to share a couple of printers and eventually the same NFS and LDAP
| |
| 10:45 | <Blinny> jammcq: So in a chat with Dell about this crashing box, they say that the video ram settings (1MB) cannot be changed. Does this mean I'm stuck with VESA?
| |
| 10:45 | <happywithed> But for now, I would appreciate some help with setting up my DHCP server on edubuntu, which currently serves all the machines to share the printer
| |
| 10:45 | <cliebow_> i could paste one i use..
| |
| 10:46 | Q-FUNK has quit IRC | |
| 10:47 | Q-FUNK has joined #ltsp | |
| 10:54 | <sbalneav> happywithed: And what doesn't it do now, that you're trying to get it to do?
| |
| 10:54 | <happywithed> print to a network printer
| |
| 10:55 | also, one of the network printers is pretty old and needs to be setup on static ip, can this be done with dhcp3?
| |
| 10:56 | <cliebow_> sure
| |
| 10:56 | <sbalneav> ok, well, printing is independent of dhcp.
| |
| 10:57 | What kind of printer are they, and how are they connected to the network>
| |
| 10:57 | <cliebow_> sbalneav: what perl operator will test if there is a remainder after a division
| |
| 10:57 | <sbalneav> ?
| |
| 10:57 | cliebow_: buhhh, %?
| |
| 10:57 | <cliebow_> like 7/7 is a natural..no remainder...
| |
| 10:57 | 6/7 would have a remainder
| |
| 10:58 | <sbalneav> 6 % 7?
| |
| 10:58 | <Blinny> modulus?
| |
| 10:58 | <cliebow_> im trying to tweak a calndar program set up to display all seven days..to only show Mon-Fri
| |
| 10:58 | Egyptian[Home] has quit IRC | |
| 10:58 | <cliebow_> i been looking at it..guress i need to find a n example
| |
| 10:59 | Egyptian[Home] has joined #ltsp | |
| 10:59 | <happywithed> I have one HP 7400, which is now connected to the network but I have a Ricoh IPSIO NX630N Laser printer, which is not
| |
| 10:59 | <sbalneav> Do they have internal network cards?
| |
| 10:59 | And do the other machines print to them currently?
| |
| 10:59 | <happywithed> Yes
| |
| 10:59 | Yes
| |
| 10:59 | <Blinny> cliebow_: Yeah, just test if int1 % int2 ==0 .. If so, then there's no remainder
| |
| 11:00 | <happywithed> gnome-cups-add can see both,
| |
| 11:00 | I was able to confirm that while we were chatting
| |
| 11:01 | <sbalneav> ok, so all you should need to do in Edubuntu is set up an lpd connected printer.
| |
| 11:01 | That should work fine.
| |
| 11:01 | <happywithed> I just sent a test page to the HP 7400 from a thin client and it worked fine
| |
| 11:02 | How do I set up an lpd?
| |
| 11:02 | J45p3r_ has joined #ltsp | |
| 11:02 | <cliebow_> Blinny, does that imply addition?
| |
| 11:03 | <Blinny> cliebow_: I don't understand the question. The % operator simply returns the remainder when you divide int1 by int2.
| |
| 11:03 | 10 % 3 == 1
| |
| 11:03 | 10 % 5 == 0
| |
| 11:03 | <sbalneav> happywithed: if you set up a printer, and sent a test page, you're already done :)
| |
| 11:04 | <cliebow_> ahah..Divide!!
| |
| 11:04 | Volim-te has quit IRC | |
| 11:05 | <happywithed> sbalneav: Yes, I guess. I was trying several things on the side while chatting
| |
| 11:05 | As Plato said (paraphrasing), if you describe the problem, then there is no problem...
| |
| 11:06 | <Blinny> There is no Dana there is only Zeul?
| |
| 11:06 | <happywithed> ...or as you describe the problem, you'll notice that no problem existed on the first place...
| |
| 11:06 | happywithed is now known as HAPPIERwithed | |
| 11:07 | <HAPPIERwithed> Things are looking good in edubuntu-world...
| |
| 11:07 | :-)
| |
| 11:11 | <sbalneav> Argh, what's the command for resetting your root window pointer?
| |
| 11:13 | NM
| |
| 11:14 | HAPPIERwithed has quit IRC | |
| 11:21 | <Gadi> was SMODULE implemented in LTSP5?
| |
| 11:24 | <ogra> SMODULE ?
| |
| 11:24 | wat would that be ?
| |
| 11:24 | *what
| |
| 11:24 | Burgundavia has joined #ltsp | |
| 11:24 | <ogra> Gadi, ?
| |
| 11:25 | <Gadi> specify sound driver
| |
| 11:25 | <ogra> nope
| |
| 11:25 | we have MODULE_nn if you really want to force modules
| |
| 11:26 | but 99% of the PCI soundcards will be autodetected by udev
| |
| 11:26 | <Gadi> SMODULE_XX
| |
| 11:26 | i take it from the response, the answer is no ;)
| |
| 11:26 | does that load modules prior to pulseaudio?
| |
| 11:26 | <ogra> well, ise MODULE_nn
| |
| 11:26 | indeed
| |
| 11:26 | *use
| |
| 11:26 | <Gadi> excellent
| |
| 11:26 | gracias
| |
| 11:26 | <ogra> got an ISA card ?
| |
| 11:28 | <Gadi> prolly - /me helping someone else - /me thinks has an old vectra
| |
| 11:28 | so, most likely ISA
| |
| 11:28 | <ogra> pulseaudio is started even after ldm ...
| |
| 11:28 | we dont need sound before X ;)
| |
| 11:29 | * Gadi thinks ogra doesnt play Pong on his thin client | |
| 11:29 | <Gadi> ;)
| |
| 11:29 | <ogra> heh
| |
| 11:29 | no, i actually dont ... even though i start to think thats the only thing the e2300 is usable for :P
| |
| 11:29 | <Gadi> i told you how directx + pulse rocks, right?
| |
| 11:30 | this same client of mine does a lot of streaming video
| |
| 11:30 | for the first time in a long time its PC quality
| |
| 11:30 | <ogra> yeah, works nice ...
| |
| 11:30 | <Gadi> (once you get the friggin codecs working) ;)
| |
| 11:30 | <ogra> i was a bit astonished when i tried it on the e2300 ... where it apparently did nothing
| |
| 11:30 | <Gadi> lol
| |
| 11:31 | <ogra> or rather "didnt improve anything"
| |
| 11:31 | <Gadi> tell them to buy SYM1110s :)
| |
| 11:31 | <krinns> gadi
| |
| 11:31 | this is root
| |
| 11:31 | <ogra> but i found that this think seems to only be able to do usable screen drawing with 800x600
| |
| 11:31 | <Gadi> ill make them a good deal ;)
| |
| 11:31 | <krinns> previously i was online with root
| |
| 11:31 | i think its 64 bit prb
| |
| 11:31 | <ogra> every higher res lets me see the desktop being redrawn
| |
| 11:31 | uniconformist has quit IRC | |
| 11:31 | <krinns> what abt if i move to SLED10 or sles10
| |
| 11:32 | uniconformist has joined #ltsp | |
| 11:32 | <krinns> i think that both have fuse built in
| |
| 11:32 | <ogra> no matter which method (ssh/XDMCP/ldm+directX) i use
| |
| 11:32 | <Gadi> krinns: ah
| |
| 11:32 | as GI Joe says, knowing is half the battle
| |
| 11:32 | <krinns> what u suggest
| |
| 11:33 | b/c i have only 64 bit machines
| |
| 11:33 | jsgotangco has joined #ltsp | |
| 11:34 | vagrantc has joined #ltsp | |
| 11:34 | Q-FUNK has quit IRC | |
| 11:36 | Mole has joined #ltsp | |
| 11:40 | Q-FUNK has joined #ltsp | |
| 11:43 | <Blinny> Gadi: Are you symbiont?
| |
| 11:43 | <Mole> anyone running ltsp/pxe on debian ?
| |
| 11:43 | <Gadi> I am a part of Symbio Technologies, tes
| |
| 11:43 | er, yes
| |
| 11:44 | <vagrantc> Mole: what do you need?
| |
| 11:44 | <Mole> i dunno..some kinda guide to help me understand how to set it up..like step by step :)
| |
| 11:44 | <vagrantc> Mole: what have you done so far?
| |
| 11:44 | <Mole> ive been reading on different sites but im still not sure what does what
| |
| 11:45 | vagrantc : nothing yet :D
| |
| 11:45 | but ive been running debian for like 7 years now so that shouldnt be a problem hehe
| |
| 11:45 | <vagrantc> well ...
| |
| 11:45 | <Mole> pxe is used to get the OS via the nic right? and ltsp serves debian to the clients ?
| |
| 11:45 | <vagrantc> sure
| |
| 11:46 | http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
| |
| 11:46 | it could use some work :)
| |
| 11:46 | <Mole> :)
| |
| 11:46 | <Blinny> Gadi: Right on. We've been fighting so much with old hardware it's beginning to look like we should just buy little thin-clients new.
| |
| 11:47 | <Gadi> Blinny: you going to any of the NELS/NCLS type conferences this summer?
| |
| 11:47 | <Mole> vagrantc : should i be using ltsp5 on etch? or ltsp4.xx ?
| |
| 11:47 | <vagrantc> Mole: on etch, definitely go with ltsp5 :)
| |
| 11:47 | <Mole> ok
| |
| 11:47 | <vagrantc> Mole: have to do a little backporting to get local devices to work ... but most things should be fine.
| |
| 11:48 | <Blinny> Gadi: Ah, like the one in VT? I hadn't planned on it, unfortunately. I need to Get Shit Working before I can justify conferences to the purse string holders.
| |
| 11:49 | Gadi: You demoing hardware?
| |
| 11:49 | happywithed has joined #ltsp | |
| 11:49 | <Gadi> more than that, we will be offering a special deal
| |
| 11:49 | on clients
| |
| 11:50 | its a promotional we're gonna try out at those conferences
| |
| 11:50 | <Blinny> Right on. I love deals. But I need to show LTSP working for more than a few minutes to justify it to the bosses.
| |
| 11:50 | <Mole> Gadi : url? :)
| |
| 11:51 | <Gadi> Blinny: heh
| |
| 11:51 | Mole: we are www.TheSymbiont.com
| |
| 11:51 | the promotion is gonna be just for edus in the US tho, for now
| |
| 11:51 | <Blinny> That's us.
| |
| 11:51 | <Mole> ok
| |
| 11:52 | <Blinny> We're a 501c3 foster care place w/ a full k-12 school side of the biz too
| |
| 11:52 | Aptly, we're running K12LTSP (;
| |
| 11:53 | At least, I am. The other test boxes keep insisting on crapping out. Methinks I should have picked different test boxes.
| |
| 11:53 | <Gadi> interesting
| |
| 11:53 | <Blinny> Has to do w/ old Dell BIOS and i810 vid card.
| |
| 11:55 | <Gadi> may need to turn off acpi/apm
| |
| 11:55 | lots of old processors can have issues with it
| |
| 11:55 | s/processors/chipsets/
| |
| 11:56 | plamengr has joined #ltsp | |
| 12:01 | <Blinny> Gadi: Yeah. How do I do that for non-pxe boots? through a dhcpd string?
| |
| 12:02 | parsley has quit IRC | |
| 12:03 | <Gadi> indeed
| |
| 12:04 | Goxa has joined #ltsp | |
| 12:05 | <Goxa> I need help
| |
| 12:05 | I instaled Ubuntu 7.04 and ltsp 5
| |
| 12:06 | installation went ok
| |
| 12:06 | I have 5 terminal clients
| |
| 12:06 | but only 4 wont to boot up
| |
| 12:06 | fifth wont
| |
| 12:06 | and it is not alwas the same one
| |
| 12:07 | it is last started
| |
| 12:07 | It promts error with nfs.premount
| |
| 12:08 | <vagrantc> could you paste the error to the pastebot ?
| |
| 12:08 | !pastebot
| |
| 12:08 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
| |
| 12:08 | <vagrantc> please type the error as closely as you can
| |
| 12:09 | <Gadi> also, have you modified dhcpd.conf in any way?
| |
| 12:09 | <vagrantc> Goxa: it's really always the 5th one that won't boot, depending on whatever boots last?
| |
| 12:10 | <Goxa> yaes
| |
| 12:10 | yes
| |
| 12:14 | <plamengr> hi, vagrantc :) nf1 is with me. We figured out the problem with the client with the kernel panic. We tested it on another LTSP server, Now after the machine boots up to LDM, instead of showing ldm it crashes with black screen... Nothing on the thin client responds, we can't ping it from the server
| |
| 12:15 | <Goxa> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=446851
| |
| 12:15 | I describet problem here
| |
| 12:15 | <vagrantc> plamengr: how much memory does it have?
| |
| 12:15 | <Goxa> with some output
| |
| 12:15 | <vagrantc> plamengr: maybe try running memtest86+ on it
| |
| 12:15 | <plamengr> by spec 128 mb
| |
| 12:16 | muh2000 has quit IRC | |
| 12:16 | <vagrantc> plamengr: sounds like it *might* be bad memory ... run memtest on it
| |
| 12:16 | <plamengr> the client is integrated in monitor, there's only usb and LAN, no HDD
| |
| 12:17 | <vagrantc> so run memtest on it
| |
| 12:17 | that's my best idea at this point
| |
| 12:18 | <plamengr> Unfortunately, we can't load any OS :(
| |
| 12:18 | <vagrantc> network boot memtest
| |
| 12:19 | <plamengr> can you send a link?
| |
| 12:19 | <vagrantc> plamengr: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install memtest86+
| |
| 12:20 | <plamengr> ok, thanks a lot :)
| |
| 12:20 | <vagrantc> plamengr: run ltsp-update-kernels
| |
| 12:20 | plamengr: echo DEFAULT memtest86+ > /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
| |
| 12:20 | and boot
| |
| 12:22 | might have to symlink /opt/ltsp/i386/boot/memtest86+ to something without the + ... some versions of syslinux are kind of stupid
| |
| 12:22 | <meduxa> there are usb stick distros
| |
| 12:22 | you can use
| |
| 12:23 | <vagrantc> er ...
| |
| 12:23 | memtest86+.bin
| |
| 12:23 | psyco-obiwan has quit IRC | |
| 12:23 | tiagovaz has joined #ltsp | |
| 12:23 | parsley has joined #ltsp | |
| 12:30 | <plamengr> Have you seen before this output of memtest86+: 0104 repeating endlessly?
| |
| 12:38 | meduxa has quit IRC | |
| 12:41 | Avatara has quit IRC | |
| 12:45 | NuHu has joined #ltsp | |
| 12:51 | <Blinny> Anyone have a suggestion for a batch of 20-25 video cards that I can slap in to thin clients and have it Just Work?
| |
| 12:52 | They should be PCI
| |
| 12:52 | ogra has quit IRC | |
| 12:56 | <cliebow_> Blinny:mind taking a look at a lil piece of perl?
| |
| 12:59 | Q-FUNK has quit IRC | |
| 12:59 | <Blinny> cliebow_: Not at all.
| |
| 13:00 | <cliebow_> for ($i=1; $i<=$days_in_month; $i++){
| |
| 13:00 | #print "$i\n";
| |
| 13:00 | my $saturday=(($i+$monthstart) % 7);
| |
| 13:00 | my $sunday=($saturday-1);
| |
| 13:00 | if ($saturday ==0){print "$i->It is Saturday\n"};
| |
| 13:00 | #next if ($sunday ==0);#{print "$i->It is Sunday\n"};
| |
| 13:00 | <Blinny> cliebow_ ...though I should warn you, I've never programmed in Perl before. (:
| |
| 13:00 | <cliebow_> print "$i\n";}
| |
| 13:01 | Q-FUNK has joined #ltsp | |
| 13:01 | <Blinny> What is $monthstart?
| |
| 13:01 | <cliebow_> heh..i just ant to break out to the next $i if a variable is 0
| |
| 13:01 | if you use localtime in perl it will tell you what day the month starts
| |
| 13:02 | <Blinny> as in, 'Friday'?
| |
| 13:02 | <cliebow_> well it would give 5
| |
| 13:02 | <plamengr> Do you have any experience with AMD Geode LX Video cards and LTSP5? We can't choose right driver
| |
| 13:02 | <cliebow_> errr 6
| |
| 13:02 | <Blinny> Gotchya
| |
| 13:02 | <cliebow_> planemgr: nsc driver?
| |
| 13:03 | Blinny:$i starts at one and goes up one everytime trhough the loop until it reaches days_in_month..
| |
| 13:04 | which is 31 for may
| |
| 13:04 | <Gadi> plamengr: have you tried installing the AMD driver in universe?
| |
| 13:04 | <Blinny> Why wouldn't $sunday be $saturday+1? Also, you should check into breaking out using the continue statement. It's executed just before the conditional is evaluated again.
| |
| 13:04 | <Gadi> you would have to modify /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/sources.list
| |
| 13:04 | and apt-get it into the chroot
| |
| 13:05 | <cliebow_> I just want it to bail if it is Saturday or Sunday..heh..you see where i am going
| |
| 13:05 | bobby_C has joined #ltsp | |
| 13:05 | <Blinny> Yeah.
| |
| 13:05 | <Gadi> cliebow_: I used to give this project to interns to learn new programming languages :)
| |
| 13:06 | <cliebow_> which is what i am doing 8~)
| |
| 13:06 | <Gadi> "write a calendar program in php"...
| |
| 13:06 | ;)
| |
| 13:06 | * Gadi wonders if he has any code on his lappy | |
| 13:06 | <Blinny> cliebow_: then you'll want to look at the 'last' operator to break out of the loop
| |
| 13:06 | vagrantc has quit IRC | |
| 13:07 | <cliebow_> Gadi:i thought you gave me a "next if "framework if i wanted to break out of a loop
| |
| 13:07 | <Gadi> next will go to the next iteration in the loop
| |
| 13:07 | <cliebow_> i have a calendar program i want to tweak to only show Mon. thru Fri
| |
| 13:08 | <Blinny> Yeah then you want 'next' not 'last'
| |
| 13:08 | <Gadi> cliebow_: you never want to subtract from a mod
| |
| 13:08 | you should subtract and then mod
| |
| 13:09 | otherwise the mod is useless
| |
| 13:09 | <cliebow_> i wondered about the implications of that
| |
| 13:09 | <Blinny> cliebow_: You could also substr the localtime return value and check for !Sat || !Sun
| |
| 13:10 | * Gadi likes the exercise for interns because many programmers hate/don't use math | |
| 13:10 | <Gadi> oddly enough
| |
| 13:10 | :)
| |
| 13:10 | <cliebow_> k..ill play with that..
| |
| 13:10 | <Blinny> cliebow_: ala if (substr((localtime ()), 0, 3) != 'Sat' && substr((localtime ()), 0, 3)!='Sun') then { do_yo_thang();}
| |
| 13:10 | <Gadi> cliebow_: if the result of the mod is 0, its sunday, if its 6 its saturday
| |
| 13:10 | nbd
| |
| 13:12 | <cliebow_> Blinny: localtime gives you.. current..not fiuture ..information ..that make any sense to you?
| |
| 13:12 | Gadi: i see where you are going
| |
| 13:12 | <Blinny> cliebow_: Yes. I'll shush now (;
| |
| 13:13 | <Gadi> if you like, I made a Hebrew calendar with them, as well ;)
| |
| 13:13 | <cliebow_> Blinny, thanks anyway..i appreciate input...
| |
| 13:14 | Gadi: As always you think in higher parallel universe
| |
| 13:14 | * Gadi was a math major | |
| 13:14 | <Gadi> and a computer is a big calculator
| |
| 13:15 | best to ask it easy questions
| |
| 13:15 | :D
| |
| 13:15 | <cliebow_> heh: i did a lot of math..but must be getting rusty..why the devil didnt i think of "sunday is 6??
| |
| 13:17 | Gadi: are you teachng at Gould or UNH?
| |
| 13:18 | <Gadi> heh, I was just reading a response to an email where I asked the very same thing
| |
| 13:18 | :)
| |
| 13:18 | not sure
| |
| 13:18 | * Gadi thinks they are still scheduling things | |
| 13:18 | <Gadi> want me to teach about the powers of mod?
| |
| 13:19 | "From Calendars to Encryption"
| |
| 13:19 | mod - the programmer's friend
| |
| 13:19 | :)
| |
| 13:19 | Q-FUNK has quit IRC | |
| 13:19 | <Gadi> too many schools teaching kids visual basic and calling it computer science
| |
| 13:19 | *sigh*
| |
| 13:20 | <Blinny> vb is my butt
| |
| 13:22 | <cliebow_> for ($i=1; $i<=$days_in_month; $i++){
| |
| 13:22 | my $saturday=(($i+$monthstart) % 7);
| |
| 13:22 | next if ($saturday ==0); #{print "$i->It is Saturday\n"};
| |
| 13:22 | next if ($saturday ==6);#{print "$i->It is Sunday\n"};
| |
| 13:22 | print "$i\n";
| |
| 13:22 | why am i so dense?
| |
| 13:22 | milosz has quit IRC | |
| 13:23 | <Gadi> because you name every variable saturday?
| |
| 13:23 | ;)
| |
| 13:23 | I mean, I love weekends as much as the next guy
| |
| 13:24 | <cliebow_> haaa!
| |
| 13:24 | Q-FUNK has joined #ltsp | |
| 13:25 | <cliebow_> it doesnt break out of the loop..and use next value of $i
| |
| 13:25 | ohhhhhh
| |
| 13:25 | <Gadi> btw, i usually make the interns rewrite it in OO code once they do it straight
| |
| 13:27 | <Q-FUNK> heh
| |
| 13:30 | <Blinny> (should then rewrite in self-modifying code)
| |
| 13:30 | Burgundavia has quit IRC | |
| 13:41 | bobby_C has quit IRC | |
| 13:41 | bobby_C has joined #ltsp | |
| 13:41 | chupa has quit IRC | |
| 13:47 | chupa has joined #ltsp | |
| 13:50 | NuHu has quit IRC | |
| 13:55 | vykarian has joined #ltsp | |
| 13:56 | <vykarian> Hi all.. is there a way to LTSP client start freeNX client before (or instead) connect to xdmcp??
| |
| 13:58 | <Gadi> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#NX
| |
| 13:59 | Goxa has quit IRC | |
| 14:01 | <vykarian> Gadi ty =]
| |
| 14:07 | <Gadi> np
| |
| 14:14 | J45p3r_ has quit IRC | |
| 14:19 | privet has quit IRC | |
| 14:21 | privet has joined #ltsp | |
| 14:25 | cliebow_ has quit IRC | |
| 14:27 | uniconformist has quit IRC | |
| 14:28 | <yanu_> if the hardware on the clientside is capeble of running 3D, is it than possible with ltsp5?
| |
| 14:28 | yanu_ is now known as yanu | |
| 14:33 | <Gadi> yanu: thru glx, yes
| |
| 14:33 | not directfb or dri
| |
| 14:33 | or any other direct draw methos
| |
| 14:33 | er, method
| |
| 14:34 | <yanu> i just mean beryl , but that's glx i suppose
| |
| 14:34 | <Gadi> and you would need to bypass ssh, i believe
| |
| 14:34 | write directly to the xserver
| |
| 14:34 | * Gadi is not sure about beryl | |
| 14:35 | <Gadi> tho, it would certainly strain ur network
| |
| 14:35 | with a lot of folks doing it
| |
| 14:36 | <yanu> hmm, beryl must be running localy, right?
| |
| 14:36 | <Gadi> no
| |
| 14:36 | im not sure
| |
| 14:36 | good question
| |
| 14:36 | :)
| |
| 14:36 | <yanu> it become complicated
| |
| 14:37 | <Gadi> have you tried launching it from the terminal?
| |
| 14:37 | <yanu> the windowmanager must have access to the hardware directly
| |
| 14:37 | <Gadi> it most likely will not work through ssh
| |
| 14:38 | Blinny has quit IRC | |
| 14:39 | <yanu> thx for the answer
| |
| 14:42 | SBNet has quit IRC | |
| 14:52 | fernando1 has quit IRC | |
| 14:54 | plamengr has quit IRC | |
| 14:58 | sepski has quit IRC | |
| 15:00 | jumako has quit IRC | |
| 15:06 | mighty-d has joined #ltsp | |
| 15:07 | Burgundavia has joined #ltsp | |
| 15:08 | <mighty-d> hi, i was wondering how smaill can a thin client be... in fact, im running this service since february, and someone just told me he can give me this pentium mmx with 32 MB RAM, im running a pentium mmx with 128 and it runs like a charm, but im a little afraid with 32 MB
| |
| 15:09 | <yanu> think now 64 is normal, but maybe 32 will work, but i'm not sure
| |
| 15:13 | vagrantc has joined #ltsp | |
| 15:17 | Q-FUNK has quit IRC | |
| 15:23 | mhterres has quit IRC | |
| 15:24 | jammcq has quit IRC | |
| 15:25 | muh2000 has joined #ltsp | |
| 15:25 | <vagrantc> !seen ogra
| |
| 15:25 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 3 hours, 53 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <ogra> no matter which method (ssh/XDMCP/ldm+directX) i use
| |
| 15:27 | <mighty-d> yanu, have you seen 64 MB running?
| |
| 15:27 | <yanu> it was so, some time ago
| |
| 15:28 | now i changed that machine, think it has more ram now
| |
| 15:28 | <mighty-d> how did it run?
| |
| 15:29 | <yanu> it was ltsp4.1, no problem, slow start, once it was running, like normal
| |
| 15:30 | <mighty-d> thanks yanu, i'll see if this runs under 4.2
| |
| 15:30 | :P
| |
| 15:30 | <yanu> np
| |
| 15:45 | Egyptian[Home] has quit IRC | |
| 16:00 | tiagovaz has quit IRC | |
| 16:06 | vagrantc has quit IRC | |
| 16:07 | happywithed has quit IRC | |
| 16:12 | sbalneav has quit IRC | |
| 16:17 | fernando1 has joined #ltsp | |
| 16:17 | pablo_ has joined #ltsp | |
| 16:24 | Burgundavia has quit IRC | |
| 16:35 | pablo_ has quit IRC | |
| 16:37 | vmlintu has quit IRC | |
| 16:38 | Guaraldo has left #ltsp | |
| 16:56 | bobby_C has quit IRC | |
| 16:59 | mighty-d has quit IRC | |
| 17:19 | vykarian has quit IRC | |
| 17:25 | Rob_F has joined #ltsp | |
| 17:26 | pablo_ has joined #ltsp | |
| 17:26 | irule has quit IRC | |
| 17:27 | nickel2 has joined #ltsp | |
| 17:31 | <Rob_F> I have installed ltsp using http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Debian but the clients just hang on loading vmlinuz
| |
| 17:32 | Have checked for typos, tried with and without workstation specific stuff in dhcp.conf
| |
| 17:33 | pablo_ has quit IRC | |
| 17:34 | <Rob_F> netstat -apn|grep ":69 " shows udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:69 0.0.0.0:* 2445/inetd
| |
| 17:39 | <sutula> Rob_F: I didn't know about the wiki page you pointed at, so probably can't help all that much, but I followed the *very* brief instructions in /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/README.Debian and it worked fine
| |
| 17:40 | Rob_F: I recall the only significant manual step was looking at dhcpd.conf from the examples/ subdir of the above dir and integrating it with my (already working) dhcpd.conf
| |
| 17:43 | Rob_F: Also, are those instructions dated? The Debian Etch release contains code that uses ltsp 5. Someone else here may know for sure.
| |
| 17:43 | <Rob_F> Thanks - that folder (/usr/share/doc/ltsp-server) does not even exist on this machine
| |
| 17:45 | <sutula> Rob_F: Which Debian version?
| |
| 17:45 | <Rob_F> 4.0
| |
| 17:46 | <sutula> Rob_F: Have you installed the ltsp-server package?
| |
| 17:47 | dpkg -l ltsp-server
| |
| 17:48 | * sutula needs to take off, but notes that he removed all the "by hand" attempts at getting ltsp running, "apt-get install ltsp-server", then followed the afore-mentioned README.Debian | |
| 17:48 | <Rob_F> installing now (Why was that not in the instructions I used I wonder)
| |
| 17:49 | Thanks for your tips
| |
| 17:49 | <sutula> Rob_F: My guess is that the instructions predate the ltsp-server package being viable
| |
| 17:50 | Rob_F: You might want to purge (or be aware of) your attempts to install it by hand. The ltsp-build-client script does a lot of what's in the wiki instructions and there might be conflicts.
| |
| 17:50 | * sutula runs | |
| 17:51 | <Rob_F> Anyone know of a more up to date howto?
| |
| 18:04 | jsgotangco has quit IRC | |
| 18:19 | <dan__t> werd.
| |
| 18:19 | so how might one go about doing a broadcast message to all LTSP clients? Popping up a windowbox or whatever
| |
| 18:23 | <nickel2> I dont know about that but I had various users on ICQ at one stage for instant messages
| |
| 18:24 | <dan__t> heheh
| |
| 18:28 | <Rob_F> Does smbclient -M computername work?
| |
| 19:00 | Rob_F has quit IRC | |
| 19:00 | jsgotangco has joined #ltsp | |
| 19:18 | <nickel2> did you find a way dan__t btw ?
| |
| 19:23 | a5benwillis has joined #ltsp | |
| 19:24 | gonzaloaf_work has joined #ltsp | |
| 19:27 | gepatino has joined #ltsp | |
| 19:37 | gepatino has joined #ltsp | |
| 19:40 | jsgotangco has quit IRC | |
| 19:46 | irule has joined #ltsp | |
| 19:50 | gepatino has quit IRC | |
| 20:25 | ufo has quit IRC | |
| 20:25 | ufo has joined #ltsp | |
| 20:46 | agike has joined #ltsp | |
| 20:48 | <agike> Hi, I'm having an xorg problem with installing ltsp5 on Etch.
| |
| 20:49 | jsgotangco has joined #ltsp | |
| 20:50 | <agike> Specifically, with xserver-xorg-input-wacom
| |
| 20:50 | .. and xserver-xorg-input-all
| |
| 20:52 | .. both remain unconfigured after 'dpkg --configure -a'
| |
| 20:52 | Any ideas ? {I can paste fuller output to pastebot}
| |
| 21:03 | irule has quit IRC | |
| 21:14 | Gadi has quit IRC | |
| 21:33 | agike has quit IRC | |
| 23:15 | jsgotangco has quit IRC | |