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Channel log from 26 April 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:58 | <gnunux> hi
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| 02:29 | <alkisg> Good morning
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| 02:48 | <CrypTom> Hi all, I've just updated my ltps-server from ubuntu 9.04 to 10.04. Now, my client tells me: "PXE-T02: Forbidden directory" and "PXE-E3C: TFTP Error: Access Violation"
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| 02:49 | I've seen the file /etc/default/tftpd-hpa with strange values, what do I need to put there?
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| 02:49 | <Appiah> what does the paths looks like?
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| 02:52 | <CrypTom> TFTP_DIRECTORY="/srv/tftp"
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| 02:52 | I changed it to /var/lib/tftpboot with no luck
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| 02:52 | <Appiah> hmm
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| 02:52 | shouldnt it be to opt/i386 something
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| 02:53 | <CrypTom> ok
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| 02:53 | you mean /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 02:54 | <Appiah> ye try that
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| 02:54 | sorry have no access to my ltspinstalls atm
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| 02:54 | <CrypTom> hmm, no change
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| 02:55 | what values do I need to put for TFTP_USERNAME TFTP_OPTIONS and TFTP_ADDRESSS?
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| 02:55 | <Appiah> filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";
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| 02:55 | option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";
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| 02:55 | umm
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| 02:55 | na that cant be right
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| 02:56 | <CrypTom> that are the DHCP Options
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| 02:56 | <Appiah> :)
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| 02:56 | yes but the DHCP should send out the tftp options
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| 02:57 | <alkisg> CrypTom: http://pastebin.com/wHbU0r7Q
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| 02:58 | <CrypTom> it does, of course
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| 02:58 | ok, I changed the settings, restarted tftpd-hpa
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| 02:59 | and it works!
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| 02:59 | thanks
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| 02:59 | <alkisg> np
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| 03:15 | <CrypTom> hmm, when I login to kde, I just get a black background, no bars, no windows, no menus nothing, just black and a mouse pointer arrow
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| 03:16 | the login-sound however is played
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| 03:19 | <johnny> alkisg, i'm about to get some atom terminals i think
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| 03:19 | @125usd
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| 03:19 | altho they come with no ram
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| 03:19 | so.. it's about 145 each
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| 03:20 | <alkisg> Nice... I'd get netbooks with $ 200 though :P
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| 03:20 | <johnny> that won't work with something that's not supposed to be mobile
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| 03:20 | or be so small
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| 03:20 | err small screen*
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| 03:21 | <alkisg> Sure, different needs... :)
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| 03:21 | <johnny> /me is heading to bed now
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| 03:21 | <alkisg> G'night
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| 03:59 | <erikyyy> hello. i am completely puzzled. ltsp boots, then e100: eth0: e100_watchdog: link up, 100 MBps, full-duplex. next line: IP-Config: no response after 180 secs - giving up. ... can't open /tmp/net-eth0.conf. kernel-panit - not syncing: attempted to kjill init!
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| 04:00 | if i reset several times sometime it just works.
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| 04:05 | <alkisg> erikyyy: distro/version?
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| 04:06 | <erikyyy> debian lenny updated. ltsp chroot also updated.
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| 04:08 | am currently adding debug code to initramfs scripts to show point of failure
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| 04:08 | <alkisg> erikyyy: are you seeing the dhcp request in your server logs?
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| 04:08 | You can just put break=mount in pxelinux.cfg/default and run ipconfig manually, you don't need to modify the initramfs code
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| 04:08 | <erikyyy> it hangs in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/nfs --> # loop unteil nfsmount succeeds
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| 04:09 | ah ok moment
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| 04:10 | ok i now did break=mount anf have a shell. how can i debug?
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| 04:11 | i ran ipconfig and it works. hm
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| 04:12 | <alkisg> So if you press ctrl+d it continues?
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| 04:13 | <erikyyy> wait. sometimes "ipconfig eth0" crashes
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| 04:13 | so ipconfig is my problem.
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| 04:15 | <alkisg> ubuntu has switched to udhcp
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| 04:15 | afaik debian has all the udhcp hooks in place
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| 04:15 | So if you install udhcp in the chroot, and update your initramfs, it'll be used instead of ipconfig
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| 04:19 | <alkisg> (to check, see if you have an init-premount/udhcp script in the initramfs)
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| 04:20 | <erikyyy> i don't have
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| 04:20 | shall i try and install udhcp?
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| 04:21 | i installed udhcpc and still don't have dhcp files in iitramfs scipts dir
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| 04:22 | <alkisg> Maybe the scripts are in sid or in backports
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| 04:23 | Ask vagrantc when he joins the channel later on
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| 04:23 | In the meantime, try putting IPAPPEND 3 as the last line of pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 04:23 | <erikyyy> can i somehow assign static ip with PXE instead of using DHCP ?
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| 04:23 | <alkisg> yes, but ipappend 3 is better, try it first.
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| 04:24 | <erikyyy> what is ipappend 3 ?
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| 04:24 | <alkisg> (12:23:33 μμ) alkisg: In the meantime, try putting IPAPPEND 3 as the last line of pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 04:24 | it means to reuse the IP it got in the pxe stage
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| 04:24 | <erikyyy> ok
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| 04:26 | <alkisg> *if* you have problems with ipappend, here's a page I wrote on how to assign static ips: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/StaticIPsWithDHCP
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| 04:26 | gotta go, bbl
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| 04:27 | <erikyyy> it appended static ips automatically
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| 04:27 | but still it does DHCP
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| 04:27 | even though i see autogenerated kernel parameters at boot time
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| 04:28 | <alkisg> ? it shouldn't do dhcp with ipappend 3
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| 04:28 | Anyway gotta go, good luck
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| 04:28 | <erikyyy> ah i should dtop ip=dhcp kernel option probabyl
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| 04:30 | thanks!
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| 05:02 | <erikyyy> how can i set hostname to something else than "ltsp" if i cannot use dhcp?
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| 05:39 | <nicolas> hello je suis nouveau sur ltsp j ai un probleme de configuation de clavier souris quelqu un oeut il m aider?
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| 05:42 | hi im a newbie on ltsp trying to deploy it , i m stuck on the devices conf : i loos both keyboard and mouse as soon as the ldm or rdesktop screen appears
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| 05:42 | has anyone seen that?
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| 05:56 | <alkisg> erikyyy: about the hostname, read the wiki page I pointed you
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| 05:56 | nicolas: try to run ltsp-update-kernels
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| 06:11 | <Caterpillar> lol bulletxt
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| 06:11 | <bulletxt> Caterpillar:
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| 06:12 | <Caterpillar> gg
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| 06:18 | <nicolas> alkisg : it doesn t work , i wonder wether it s not the xdmcp server , is there a way to check it s working?
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| 06:18 | my server is an ubuntu with gdm runing
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| 06:18 | <alkisg> ? ubuntu doesn't use xdmcp
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| 06:18 | ...nor gdm, it uses ldm
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| 06:34 | <nicolas> sorry i m probably lost i thought there was some kind on connection that ldm was initating an ssh connection
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| 06:35 | what should i check to understand the problem in my case?
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| 07:05 | <knipwim> the folks at launchpad just posted this topic in their channel
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| 07:05 | "Code browsing is producing Internal Server Errors -- investigating"
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| 07:31 | <jonkke> hello
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| 07:31 | any LDAP gurus around?
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| 07:35 | <sep> jonkke, you should simply try to ask your question,
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| 07:36 | <jonkke> i'm working on it :)
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| 07:36 | i'm trying to set up my LDAP with this quide: http://www.opinsys.fi/setting-up-openldap-on-ubuntu-10-04-alpha2
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| 07:37 | and get error like here: http://ltsp.pastebin.com/N20H0BZ4
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| 07:38 | i'm really not familiar with ldap and any help would be appreciated
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| 07:40 | <sep> i'v never used the olcdatabase, are you sure your openldap is recent enough version to deal with that. afaik it's a pretty new feature
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| 07:41 | <jonkke> OpenLDAP: slapd 2.4.21 (Apr 15 2010 08:03:32)
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| 07:41 | <sep> also if you just want it working, you would try running a debian-edu mainserver it have ldap set up out of the box. and i am sure you can conncet a ubuntu ltsp server to it if the ltsp in debian-edu does not work for you
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| 07:42 | <jonkke> debian edu sounds great
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| 07:42 | maybe i should try that
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| 07:43 | because for some reason i just can't understand anything about ldap...
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| 07:43 | <sep> edu does not have kerberos out of the box yet tho.
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| 07:44 | saw it in the url you pasted
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| 07:44 | <alkisg> sbalneav had written some very easy instructions on how to setup ldap
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| 07:44 | He put them on the edubuntu site I think...
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| 07:45 | <jonkke> i had it set up few years ago, but so many things have changed
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| 07:54 | <jonkke> and because i can't get oclAccess to work, that is why i have "invalid credentials" when i try to add group??
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| 07:54 | or is there something else messed up too?
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| 07:58 | <alkisg> !compiz
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| 07:58 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: "compiz" :: if compiz is giving you problems, one way to disable it for all users is: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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| 08:03 | <alkisg> !learn button_layout as To revert the Ubuntu button position and ordering to their old values, run: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /apps/metacity/general/button_layout ":minimize,maximize,close"
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| 08:03 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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| 08:03 | <alkisg> !button_layout
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| 08:03 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: "button_layout" :: To revert the Ubuntu button position and ordering to their old values, run: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /apps/metacity/general/button_layout :minimize,maximize,close
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| 08:14 | <vmlintu> jonkke: have you done any changes to the setup in the blog?
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| 08:25 | <vmlintu> jonkke: could you put in pastebin also the other ldif files and commands you used?
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| 08:41 | <komunista> hello all
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| 08:42 | * vagrantc waves | |
| 08:45 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:45 | jonkke: Trouble with LDAP?
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| 08:45 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: hi! :)
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| 08:46 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: Morning!!
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| 08:46 | jonkke: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu/WikiSite/SimpleLDAPSetup
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| 09:05 | <alkisg> I'm reading in /etc/default/nfs-common that "# Do you want to start the statd daemon? It is not needed for NFSv4." Yet my fat clients have problems if statd isn't running. So, what exactly should I be doing to "use NFSv4"?
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| 09:07 | <vagrantc> a lot of reading.
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| 09:07 | :)
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| 09:07 | <alkisg> vagrantc: heh, so if I just put something in /etc/exports and install nfs-kernel-server, I'm using nfs3?
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| 09:08 | <vagrantc> alkisg: almost certainly.
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| 09:08 | <alkisg> Thanks, then I should be looking at why statd stopped starting by default in recent Lucid...
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| 09:08 | * alkisg blames upstart once more | |
| 09:08 | <alkisg> vagrantc: any significant downsides if I use "defaults,nolock" in fstab?
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| 09:09 | <vagrantc> ah, maybe i make too many assumptions about nfsv3 staying the default :)
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| 09:09 | alkisg: only if you need write access.
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| 09:09 | <alkisg> It's for fat client's /home
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| 09:09 | <vagrantc> ah.
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| 09:09 | <alkisg> So yeah, write access is needed, but locks? Not so much...
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| 09:10 | <vagrantc> as long as you'll *never* have two files being written to simultaneously...
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| 09:10 | <alkisg> (if I read the man pages correctly, it should only affect multiple logons from the same user in different machines)
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| 09:10 | <vagrantc> nothing to prove the point like trial and error :)
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| 09:11 | <alkisg> Hmm I wonder how it would behave with the read-write shared folders that some people are using under /home...
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| 09:18 | <Ga{{aa> i'v installed ltsp serv dhcp3 openssh - boot procces and image up well on client PC, but autorisation gives nothing. How to add User to Thin manager or edit list of users foe ltsp clients?
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| 09:19 | <vagrantc> !release
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| 09:19 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "release" :: please mention the linux distro and release you're using :)
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| 09:19 | <vagrantc> Ga{{aa: ^^
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| 09:19 | <Ga{{aa> ubuntu Carmic
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| 09:20 | server 64 bit
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| 09:20 | last updates
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| 09:20 | <ogra_cmpc> check /var/log/auth.log and ~/.xsession-erros for that user on the server
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| 09:21 | *-errors
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| 09:48 | <Ga{{aa> ok thanks
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| 10:01 | <ogra_cmpc> Ga{{aa, if auth.log shows the login went fine it can only be an issue with the desktop session of the user on the server
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| 10:21 | <Ga{{aa> auth.log shows no auths i think i have mistaken while doing install server/ mount events report errors when booting client
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| 10:22 | <sbalneav> Ga{{aa: Do you get a login prompt when you boot the thin client?
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| 10:45 | <epaphus> hello all. I have a thin client with 1GB RAM. Running firefox as a local app... *somehow* it consumed all of the RAM with 25tabs opened. "free" in the thin client reports its swapping ..
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| 10:45 | Where is it swapping to? the Hard Disk on the server? How to work this out?
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| 10:45 | <alkisg> epaphus: that might be compcache
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| 10:45 | ==> compressed ram stored in the client ram
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| 10:46 | <alkisg> If you didn't declare NBD_SWAP=yes, then there's no swapping on the server.
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| 10:46 | If the clients have local disks, it'd be best to create a local swap partition.
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| 10:46 | <epaphus> alkisg, well free says its swapping 3megabytes.
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| 10:46 | either that or put more RAM?
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| 10:47 | because firefox is running very slow
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| 10:47 | <alkisg> 1 gb ram should be plenty for firefox
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| 10:47 | If you got a lot of flash players open, check the client cpu usage
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| 10:47 | <epaphus> yeah :(
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| 10:48 | <sbalneav> epaphus: With 25 tabs? Heh, not surprising, if there's a lot of images.
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| 10:48 | <epaphus> Weird.. a standalone ubuntu install with 100tabs opened occupes 1GB only. sbalneav
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| 10:48 | <sbalneav> Tabs isn't the problem.
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| 10:49 | it's content on the tabs.
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| 10:49 | <epaphus> ok
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| 10:49 | <sbalneav> But the more tabs you've got open, the higher chance you've got content on the tabs that's eating a lot of text.
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| 10:49 | ram, sorry,
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| 10:50 | If you've got 100 tabs open, but all they contain is text, and NOTHING else, it's not going to use up very much.
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| 10:51 | <epaphus> okey .. i will uninstall java first see if it gets better.
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| 10:51 | <sbalneav> But if you've got 1 tab open that has 50 jpeg images, each 1 meg big (as a jpeg), that's going to occupy a HUGE amount of ram, since the X server doesn't store images in compressed formats.
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| 10:52 | <epaphus> ah ok..
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| 10:53 | <sbalneav> epaphus: using xrestop can give you a clue as to how much ram your X server's using.
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| 10:54 | Here's a quick snapshot of my current X server running on my box here:
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| 10:54 | res-base Wins GCs Fnts Pxms Misc Pxm mem Other Total PID Identifier
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| 10:54 | 2200000 56 2 1 26 1027 9778K 26K 9804K ? compiz
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| 10:54 | 0200000 0 1 0 1 0 5120K 24B 5120K ? <unknown>
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| 10:54 | 2600000 273 67 1 46 97 2075K 11K 2086K 1913 gtk-window-decorator
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| 10:54 | 1c00000 9 40 1 17 47 1710K 3K 1713K 1880 x-nautilus-desktop
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| 10:55 | <sbalneav> At the top? Guess what's sucking up a nice 10 megs of X server ram? MY FAVORITE PROGRAM OF ALL TIME!!!111one :)
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| 10:56 | running xrestop on the thin client, then opening pages should allow you to see what pages are sucking up what ram.
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| 10:57 | <sbalneav> where was the funny compiz thing we did?
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| 10:57 | ummm
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| 10:57 | <ogra_cmpc> !compiz
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| 10:57 | <ltspbot`> ogra_cmpc: "compiz" :: if compiz is giving you problems, one way to disable it for all users is: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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| 10:58 | <sbalneav> !disable-compiz-the-sbalneav-way
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| 10:58 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: "disable-compiz-the-sbalneav-way" :: apt-get purge compiz && remove-from-upstream-repo compiz && target-icbm-on-upstream-hosting-service compiz
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| 10:59 | <ogra_cmpc> heh
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| 11:00 | <sbalneav> http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=pycups.git;a=commit;h=1532168b2d67f83237573dd2f29ccfa4432bd8cf
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| 11:00 | My patches made it upstream! Woohoo
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| 11:00 | <ogra_cmpc> finally
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| 11:01 | <sbalneav> Well, not my cups patches. :(
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| 11:01 | <ogra_cmpc> only took you ... what ... a year ?
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| 11:01 | oh
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| 11:01 | <sbalneav> this is to work around broken cups :(
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| 11:01 | I'm going to rewrite the pstops filter in python .
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| 11:01 | <ogra_cmpc> ah,, bad
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| 11:01 | <sbalneav> Tim Wuagh from RH seemed to be slightly more amenable to patches.
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| 11:02 | so I'll write it in python.
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| 11:06 | <epaphus> sbalneav, does firefox as a localapp use more ram IN LTSP, then one in a standalone? or same?
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| 11:06 | <knipwim> johnny: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~wimmuskee/ltsp/ltsp-gentoo-dev/revision/4
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| 11:06 | it seems to be working now
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| 11:10 | <sbalneav> epaphus: Should use the same.
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| 11:11 | The only issue is: on the server, you've usually got a nice, big, fat, juicy swap partition available for you to use.
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| 11:11 | Some people who have spare hard drives drop one in the thin client, and JUST configure it for swap.
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| 11:11 | <epaphus> iam a believer that swap should never never be used :)
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| 11:12 | <sbalneav> I agree.
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| 11:12 | <epaphus> i prefer adding more ram
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| 11:12 | <sbalneav> but then you need enough ram.
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| 11:18 | <johnny> knipwim, and that can log to the server?
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| 11:18 | <knipwim> yup
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| 11:19 | you do need to catch all udp traffic though instead of tcp
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| 11:20 | i was wondering however
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| 11:20 | why the configure_syslog script in the ltsp-client-setup conf.d isn't used
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| 11:21 | <knipwim> but the configure_syslog in ltsp-init-common
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| 11:23 | sorry, all the scripts in client/initscripts/Gentoo/ltsp-client-setup.initd aren't used if an equivalant script also exists in ltsp-init-common
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| 11:23 | <vagrantc> functions?
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| 11:23 | <knipwim> id, scripts = functions
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| 11:25 | <vagrantc> knipwim: we've rewritten a lot of the scripts that i think gentoo had based it's init scripts on... moved most of it into ltsp-init-common
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| 11:25 | <knipwim> functions which are included by . /usr/share/ltsp/ltsp-init-common are overwritten?
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| 11:25 | <vagrantc> hopefully it's mostly useful enough
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| 11:25 | knipwim: depends on if they're defined before or after that's sourced
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| 11:25 | <knipwim> after
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| 11:26 | ehm, no
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| 11:26 | <vagrantc> whatever is the last to be defined "stays"
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| 11:29 | knipwim: looks like you have a function that sources ltsp-init-common ... so it depends on when that function gets called weather other things get overridden... or are functions defined inside of a function their own scope?
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| 11:31 | <johnny> knipwim, rsyslog seems to be the new "standard" logger
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| 11:31 | <vagrantc> nope... functions defined inside of a function go global.
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| 11:31 | <johnny> i think i'd like to go with that
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| 11:31 | <vagrantc> fedora uses rsyslog, debian uses rsyslog... i suspect ubuntu switched as well
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| 11:32 | <johnny> pretty sure they did
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| 11:33 | <knipwim> gentoo has rsyslog!
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| 11:34 | <stgraber> yep, ubuntu uses rsyslog
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| 11:35 | <johnny> vagrantc, the init.d file was based on both debian's and fedora's init file
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| 11:35 | i stole logic from both, but the overall structure came from debian
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| 11:36 | i stole warren's auto hostname creation and tftp
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| 11:36 | <alkisg> stgraber, did you see the whole udhcp mess? The new sid udhcpc package is based on busybox, and it supports a -C switch to not send a clientid at all.. I hope we can do an SRU when that is ready.
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| 11:36 | <johnny> for lts.conf, since we can't get it in the initramfs
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| 11:36 | <vagrantc> johnny: that's what i thought
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| 11:36 | <johnny> /me cries
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| 11:37 | they lost my keyboard shortcut for marking all messages read in evo
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| 11:37 | anybody on lucid (or any gnome 2.30x) can verify that mark all messages as read is gone in evo?
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| 11:38 | <alkisg> johnny: what?
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| 11:38 | <stgraber> alkisg: SRU means "same version", is it the case ?
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| 11:38 | <vagrantc> it made the UI too complicated, and people should read more anyways.
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| 11:38 | <alkisg> stgraber: no. Dah
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| 11:39 | johnny: I can select a bunch of messages and select "mark as read", is that what you mean?
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| 11:39 | <johnny> alkisg, there was a keyboard shortcut
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| 11:39 | <stgraber> johnny: ctrl-+ seems to work (appears as "Mark all as read" in the message menu)
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| 11:39 | <johnny> hmm..
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| 11:39 | lemme try.. althoi don't see the shortcut there
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| 11:39 | it used to be ctrl /
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| 11:39 | <stgraber> ctrl+/ sorry
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| 11:39 | I never use it ;)
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| 11:40 | <alkisg> stgraber: can we at least put an "if" in the ltsp code, to not send a client id based on some criteria? (e.g. if the newer udhcp is manually installed)... because now it's pretty broken for everything other than dhcp3-server
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| 11:40 | <johnny> ah, you see that shortcut ?
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| 11:40 | <alkisg> stgraber: I had to go back to not using udhcp at all :-/
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| 11:40 | <johnny> maybe it's fixed in the next evo release? there was a bug where that option didn't work at all
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| 11:41 | <stgraber> alkisg: we probably can have that option added as a sru but I think it's more useful to have it upstream as a lot of people seem to go with using my PPA anyway ...
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| 11:41 | alkisg: then I can probably just have the new udhcp in my PPA too and that'll do the trick
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| 11:41 | <alkisg> Right, that's a good plan
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| 11:42 | OK, as soon as the new package lands on ubuntu, we'll check how we can do that if
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| 11:42 | <knipwim> vagrantc: check on the scope, i need to call the Gentoo functions before i source the ltsp-init-common
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| 11:42 | <stgraber> alkisg: assuming it's in unstable, that sync should happen in two weeks or so
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| 11:42 | <vagrantc> knipwim: yes.
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| 11:43 | <alkisg> stgraber: it is. Ah, very nice, so I'll have it in Lucid for greek schools.
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| 11:43 | (they all use my ppa)
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| 11:50 | <johnny> knipwim, the goal is to use almost none gentoo functions
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| 11:50 | <knipwim> i know :)
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| 11:50 | <johnny> if there's a function that you need to supplement another function, rename it
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| 11:50 | if it does any kind of shimming or whatnot
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| 11:50 | <knipwim> that's a good one
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| 11:51 | because some functions don't work before the ltsp-init-common source
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| 11:51 | <johnny> it's not like bash has any objects/classes :)
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| 11:51 | <knipwim> because lts.conf is not there yet
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| 11:51 | <johnny> knipwim, don't forgot that we can also fix things in ltsp-init-common if they are somewhat generic
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| 11:52 | you do have to talk to other developers before doing that tho
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| 11:52 | not just me
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| 11:52 | <knipwim> i won't forget
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| 11:52 | and i will
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| 11:52 | <johnny> /me is thinking about orderingg some msi wind barebones book sized computers
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| 11:53 | anybody else has any decent terms that clock in at around $150 USD?
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| 11:53 | <knipwim> johnny: you'll be pleased to know there's a gentoo user regularly posting bugs at gentoo on ltsp
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| 11:53 | <johnny> /me burned himself :(
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| 11:53 | i touched the side of a very hotpan.. and it's the part that is right on the edge of my laptop..
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| 11:54 | so weird.. it's right at the spot where the edge of the laptop is , if i'm typing
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| 11:54 | knipwim, that's goood
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| 11:55 | it seems like a gsoc student will finish dracut for gsoc
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| 11:55 | so.. we can drop this genkernel initrd stuff for real
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| 11:55 | <knipwim> that's good
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| 11:55 | <johnny> /me isn't sure how that's a summe project tho.. i hope the kid has more to do
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| 11:55 | seems like it should take a week maybe?
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| 11:55 | probably less
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| 11:56 | just depending on how much they already know about it i guess
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| 11:56 | how linux boots and all
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| 12:19 | <Gadi> stgraber: I noticed that the lucid package is missing /usr/share/ltsp/kioskSession in the client package (used in the kiosk screen script) - could you make sure to add it?
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| 12:24 | <johnny> does kiosk mode still work in lucid?
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| 12:24 | anybody tested it recently?
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| 12:27 | <Gadi> johnny: it will be broken without that script
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| 12:28 | and it works differently than in the past
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| 12:28 | * Gadi needs to add some docs | |
| 12:28 | <thunsucker> Gadi: we talked a while back about audio issues where when my clients use the rdesktop screen script, they randomly loose audio with or without using pulse
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| 12:28 | Gadi: you suggested it was a driver issue but that was as far as we got
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| 12:28 | <Gadi> still having the issues, I suppose?
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| 12:28 | <thunsucker> Gadi: yes
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| 12:29 | <Gadi> can you get the output of lspci -vnn for those machines?
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| 12:29 | <thunsucker> sure just a second
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| 12:31 | gadi: will you remind me the command to send that to the server?
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| 12:31 | <Gadi> you want to run "lspci -vnn" on the client
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| 12:31 | <thunsucker> Gadi: yes i know and i have
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| 12:32 | <Gadi> ah
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| 12:32 | <thunsucker> Gadi: you want to see it or are you looking for a specific section
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| 12:32 | <Gadi> well look at the audio section
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| 12:32 | and copy the firest line
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| 12:32 | *first
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| 12:44 | <thunsucker> well if i can stay connected
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| 12:44 | gadi: http://pastebin.org/181621
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| 12:49 | <Gadi> thunsucker: what version of alsa is on the client?
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| 12:49 | <thunsucker> Gadi: not sure
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| 12:50 | <Gadi> dpkg -l alsa-utils
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| 12:50 | (on the client)
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| 12:51 | <thunsucker> version 1.0.20-2ubuntu6
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| 12:53 | <denisesball> hey guys trying to enable xdmcp on an ltsp server on ubuntu 10.04 which had worked last week, but trying it on another server im just getting black screen when trying to connect
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| 12:53 | <Gadi> thunsucker: try going thru some of these steps on the client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure
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| 12:53 | <thunsucker> gadi: k
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| 12:54 | <Gadi> thunsucker: you may simply need to upgrade alsa in the chroot
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| 12:54 | <Gadi> denisesball: is that other server on a different subnet?
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| 12:55 | <denisesball> nope, its on the same switch as my computer im connecting from
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| 12:55 | i had to rebuild it, and following the same process as before i'm not able to connect where i was before
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| 12:55 | <Gadi> have you restarted gdm?
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| 12:55 | <denisesball> just copying /usr/share/doc/gdm/examples/custom.conf /etc/gdm/ and adding Enable=true
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| 12:55 | yeah restarted gdm, restarted the whole server
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| 12:56 | i think i was actually talking to you about it last week Gadi, before we started trying your ldm script
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| 12:56 | <Gadi> denisesball: is you server listening on port 177?
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| 12:57 | <denisesball> PORT STATE SERVICE
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| 12:57 | 177/tcp closed xdmcp
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| 12:57 | guess not
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| 12:57 | <Gadi> 177/udp
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| 12:58 | ( sudo netstat -anp|grep :177 )
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| 12:59 | <denisesball> yeah still nothing
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| 12:59 | oops, yeah it is
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| 12:59 | sorry
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| 12:59 | termserver2:~$ sudo netstat -anp|grep :177
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| 12:59 | udp6 0 0 :::177 :::* 812/gdm-binary
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| 12:59 | <Gadi> cool
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| 12:59 | any firewalls up?
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| 12:59 | (sudo iptables -L)
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| 13:00 | <denisesball> nothing different from last week...lemme take a look
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| 13:00 | yeah nothing from that
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| 13:00 | <Gadi> sudo iptables -t nat -L
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| 13:00 | <denisesball> nothing, just a fresh ltsp install
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| 13:00 | just finished installing
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| 13:01 | <Gadi> hmm... should be good to go then - unless the switch is blocking something
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| 13:01 | <thunsucker> gadi: on the alsa upgrade it wants me to do, should I do that on the chroot and sever, or just the chroot?
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| 13:01 | <denisesball> im literally connected to the same switch
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| 13:02 | <Gadi> thunsucker: ultimately, you will want to just upgrade alsa in the chroot
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| 13:02 | <denisesball> does it matter that it's udp6?
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| 13:02 | shouldnt it just be udp?
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| 13:03 | <Gadi> no - that's fine
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| 13:03 | <thunsucker> Gadi: ty I will get started
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| 13:04 | <Gadi> thunsucker: you may want to run that script in step 3 on the client first, to see if you have mismatched libs or something
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| 13:06 | <denisesball> Gadi: i'm using tsclient with xdmcp as the option, anything wrong with that?
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| 13:06 | dont know what else could be going on here
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| 13:08 | <Gadi> denisesball: still have Xnest handy?
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| 13:08 | <denisesball> yep
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| 13:08 | <Gadi> denisesball: run: Xnest :2 -query <ip>
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| 13:09 | where <ip> = ip of the xdmcp server
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| 13:09 | <denisesball> Fatal server error:
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| 13:09 | XDMCP fatal error: Session declined Maximum number of open sessions from your host reached
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| 13:09 | hm
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| 13:09 | <Gadi> there a go - you may need to adjust that parameter in your custom.conf
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| 13:10 | denisesball: under [xdmcp] add: MaxSessions=100
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| 13:10 | and restart gdm
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| 13:10 | <denisesball> ok i added DisplaysPerHost=2 and now i get just the black window again
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| 13:11 | i added your option too
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| 13:11 | $ sudo Xnest :2 -query 10.30.40.137
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| 13:11 | [dix] Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic, removing from list!
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| 13:11 | [config/dbus] couldn't take over org.x.config: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied (Connection ":1.15561" is not allowed to own the service "org.x.config.display2" due to security policies in the configuration file)
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| 13:11 | (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed (2)
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| 13:11 | thats what i get
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| 13:11 | with the black window
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| 13:11 | could this be related to any of those option you had me add last week?
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| 13:12 | <Gadi> nope
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| 13:12 | we didnt touch gdm
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| 13:12 | on the server, check the syslog
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| 13:12 | see if gdm is saying anything
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| 13:16 | <denisesball> /var/log/gdm# cat ::ffff:10.30.40.197:2-slave.log
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| 13:16 | XIO: fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server "::ffff:10.30.40.197:2.0"
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| 13:16 | after 13 requests (7 known processed) with 0 events remaining
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| 13:16 | that mean anything to you?
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| 13:17 | thats my IP
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| 13:17 | im connecting FROM
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| 13:18 | <Gadi> does *your* machine have a firewall?
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| 13:18 | <denisesball> nope
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| 13:18 | same machine i was using last week
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| 13:18 | for the exact same purpose
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| 13:19 | just a layer2 switch in between, cant be any port blocking
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| 13:20 | <Gadi> denisesball: that is weird, tho -looks like an ipv6 address munged with an ipv4 address
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| 13:20 | er DISPLAY
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| 13:21 | <denisesball> yeah thats why i thought that udp6 looked weird
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| 13:23 | <denisesball> Gadi: just tried it from a coworker's PC and it worked!
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| 13:23 | wtf
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| 13:25 | <denisesball> gotta be something we did with xnest last week
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| 13:25 | <Gadi> hmm...
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| 13:25 | I don't recall doing much of anything other than installing it
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| 13:26 | <denisesball> 2010-04-20.txt:Apr 20 16:36:19 <Gadi> try: xhost +
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| 13:26 | that?
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| 13:26 | <Gadi> but, that would last on your side only for the session
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| 13:26 | have you logged out/in since then?
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| 13:26 | <denisesball> 2010-04-20.txt:Apr 20 16:33:24 <Gadi> in a terminal, type: xhost +localhost
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| 13:26 | we also did that
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| 13:26 | no i havent logged out
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| 13:26 | <Gadi> ah
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| 13:27 | so, maybe
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| 13:27 | but if you log out/in that should cure it
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| 13:27 | <denisesball> i never log out
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| 13:27 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 13:27 | <denisesball> let me try real quick
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| 13:27 | brb
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| 13:31 | <denisesball> well, no help Gadi. i even logged in as a different user and no help
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| 13:33 | <Gadi> what was the log for the coworker's PC that worked?
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| 13:33 | <denisesball> wonder if a reboot is worth a shot
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| 13:34 | u wann aknow what the log said or what the filename is?
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| 13:34 | <Gadi> prolly just the filename
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| 13:34 | <denisesball> ::ffff:10.30.40.130:1-greeter.log
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| 13:34 | same, really
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| 13:35 | <denisesball> hes on a newer version of ubuntu, thats about it
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| 13:35 | i'm on 9.04, hes on 9.10
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| 13:35 | <Gadi> I wonder what makes him greeter and you slave
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| 13:35 | <denisesball> he has a slave file too
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| 13:36 | ::ffff:10.30.40.130:1-slave.log
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| 13:36 | we both have both
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| 13:36 | <Gadi> ah
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| 13:36 | <denisesball> his version of xnest is newer too
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| 13:36 | but this just worked last week, im confused
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| 13:37 | <Gadi> can you run tsclient from command line and see if it spews errors?
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| 13:37 | <denisesball> Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0".
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| 13:37 | thats it
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| 13:37 | i'm gonna try a reboot, maybe /tmp is wacky
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| 13:38 | <Gadi> and it still only gets you a black screen?
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| 13:38 | <denisesball> yep
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| 13:38 | <Gadi> okey dokey
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| 13:38 | <denisesball> brb
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| 13:42 | <denisesball> still just black after reboot, strange strange strange
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| 14:28 | <denisesball> Gadi: you still around? quick question on the chroot
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| 14:29 | <Gadi> shoot
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| 14:29 | <denisesball> is it still necessary to update the chroot separately? i notice if i install something it immediately affects the chroot
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| 14:29 | <Gadi> only if you install into the chroot
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| 14:30 | ie, if you: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install foo
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| 14:30 | then, you need to ltsp-update-image
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| 14:30 | <cliebow> Gadi:got time for a quick ldap ?
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| 14:30 | <denisesball> ok, so if i install things system-wide. it immediately affects the chroot and is updated with the system?
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| 14:31 | <Gadi> denisesball: normally, your users run apps on the server, so when you install on the server, they are there
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| 14:31 | if your users are running "local apps", then they are running apps that you install in the chroot itself
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| 14:31 | in which case you need to update the chroot
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| 14:31 | cliebow: for u, always
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| 14:31 | :)
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| 14:32 | <denisesball> ah ok, so installing things directly in the chroot will cause them to run on their local machines as opposed to the server?
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| 14:32 | <Gadi> if you enable LOCAL_APPS_MENU
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| 14:32 | <cliebow> should there be a listing of groups a person belongs to in their account?
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| 14:33 | <Gadi> or run: ltsp-localapps <command>
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| 14:33 | <denisesball> i'll have to read more about that i suppose
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| 14:34 | but as far as out of the box, everything runs on the server correct? is there any reason to update the chroot?
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| 14:34 | <Gadi> correct
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| 14:34 | no reason to update chroot
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| 14:35 | <johnny> /me is aquiring new thin client machines!
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| 14:35 | 3 msi winds
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| 14:35 | <denisesball> Gadi: ok cool
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| 14:37 | <cliebow> Gadi:just wondering whether my database is incomplete..should ther be a uniqueMember attibute with in a persons account to define which groups they belong to?
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| 14:37 | <Gadi> cliebow: If your groups are in ldap, then they should have a list of their members
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| 14:38 | I believe
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| 14:38 | <_UsUrPeR_> gadi: what file is responsible for automatically changing X_VIRTUAL when there are two monitors plugged into a thin client?
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| 14:38 | <cliebow> i thought as much..this fireqwall appliance is not picking up groups so wondered whter i screwed something uplike eight years ago]
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| 14:38 | <Gadi> at most the user may need a primary group
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| 14:39 | <cliebow> very good..couldnt find anything to compare to..and im getting awful rusty
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| 14:39 | <Gadi> _UsUrPeR_: its in scren-session.d
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| 14:39 | <_UsUrPeR_> Gadi: thx much
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| 14:42 | <cliebow> Thanks Gadi!! you rock as always!
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| 14:47 | <knipwim> guys, in ltsp-init-common, can i append (>>) the *.* @${SYSLOG_HOST:-$SERVER} to the syslog_conf file?
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| 14:47 | instead of >
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| 14:48 | gentoo's rsyslog cannot deal with 2 config files
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| 14:48 | <johnny> knipwim, if other's can.. ours should too
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| 14:49 | perhaps missing a patch? or what?
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| 14:49 | <johnny> knipwim, make sure you compare our initd to debian's to see if things have changed in that aspect?
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| 14:50 | <knipwim> our initd still works with syslog-ng
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| 14:51 | with some changes here and there i can get all of them to work
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| 14:51 | with rsyslog requiring the most
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| 14:52 | but, rsyslog is still v3 on gentoo while v4 is out
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| 14:53 | ah v5 even
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| 14:54 | i'm opting for the sysklogd option, until rsyslog matures on gentoo
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| 14:54 | making the setup more dependent on ltsp-init-common functions
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| 14:59 | <johnny> knipwim, we need remote logging
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| 15:00 | to match feature for feature
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| 15:03 | <knipwim> yes, i was referring to the
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| 15:03 | 18:50 < johnny> knipwim, the goal is to use almost none gentoo functions
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| 15:04 | i was planning to use the configure_syslog function from ltsp-init-common
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| 15:05 | like in the commit proposal
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| 15:08 | implementing rsyslog instead of sysklogd requires some changes in the ltsp-init-common file
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| 15:08 | some more than the commit
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| 15:16 | <knipwim> like these 2 options: http://pastebin.com/mnuzZqTr
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| 15:18 | err, http://pastebin.com/M4YcE8ET
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| 15:20 | i've tested all provided options, they work
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| 15:20 | and currently no remote syslogging works on gentoo
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| 16:11 | <markginter24> I have a small LTSP setup and recently ran into problems with printing. When my students print from openoffice the printout is supertiny, when they print form Firefox - it's fine. Any thoughts?
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| 16:12 | anyone seen something similar to this?
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| 16:14 | <markginter24> anyone?
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| 16:24 | <markginter24> any thoughts on a printing problem in LTSP?
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| 16:28 | <Gadi> markginter24: this is not really an ltsp problem. some googling of "openoffice print tiny" offers several suggestions
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| 16:28 | are these excel spreadsheets they are printing?
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| 16:29 | <markginter24> nope. regular writer documents and potato guy stuff
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| 16:29 | potato guy being a different program, of course...
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| 16:31 | when it prints - it prints the whole document - but in a one inch square in the upper left hand corner of the page -- doesn't sound like the google results...
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| 16:32 | <Gadi> "When I open spreadsheets sent to me that were created in Excel, if I go to do a print preview the text is VERY tiny and is up in the upper left corner of the page. It fits in a block about 1" x 1". Prints that small too. Reinstalled with same results."
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| 16:32 | first link
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| 16:33 | er, second
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| 16:33 | <markginter24> oh
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| 16:33 | hmm
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| 16:34 | <Gadi> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=781454
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| 16:34 | <Gadi> markginter24: make sure /etc/papersize is set correctly
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| 16:35 | <markginter24> Gadi - the curious thing is that it only does this from the workstations. When I print from the server it's fine. That's why I didn't figure it was an openoffice issue...
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| 16:35 | <Gadi> are you using letter size?
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| 16:36 | <markginter24> well - I'm not sure. It's a clean edubuntu installation - so unless they change the /etc/papersize option then it should be letter. The machine is at school - I, on the other hand, am at home :)
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| 16:36 | would there be an option held in the users /home/.config folder that could influence this?
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| 17:34 | <kusznir> All of the sudden today my thin clients, when they reboot, they just dump on a console, no X. No images, or anything, were changed...what causes this? (DNS appears to be working fine, no dns changes, etc.)
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| 17:36 | <johnny> there must have been a change..
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| 17:37 | whether it's your dhcp server.. or what
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| 17:37 | <kusznir> Well, no changes were made...something must have changed on its own...I'm the only one with admin login, and this all broke while I wasn't even here :(
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| 17:37 | The problem I'm running into is figuring out what is broke so I know what to fix....
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| 17:38 | <johnny> external dhcp server?
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| 17:38 | <kusznir> I can do dns lookups (forward and reverse) on my ltsp server. The dhcp server is working, as the thin clients are booting.
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| 17:38 | Yes, pfsense dhcp server. two settings: next-server and filename.
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| 17:38 | And they're working as the thin clients are pxebooting successfully (I even get the graphical ubuntu boot splash). It just appears that ldm is not starting.
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| 17:39 | <johnny> read the log t hen?
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| 17:39 | /var/log/ldm.log
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| 17:41 | <kusznir> On the thin client? I can't seem to log in.
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| 17:41 | <johnny> you need to either enable SCREEN_02=shell
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| 17:41 | or set a root password and rebuild the image
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| 17:41 | <kusznir> ok.
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| 17:42 | <johnny> SCREEN_02=shell is probably the easiest
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| 17:42 | in lts.conf
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| 17:43 | <kusznir> I think I've tried that in the past, and I just get a text login prompt on screen 2 when I do that.
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| 17:46 | <johnny> well.. do the other thing..
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| 17:53 | <kusznir> Hmm...there is no /var/log/ldm.log (or anything ldm). I tried just typing "ldm" at the root prompt, and got an assersion error string equal to null.
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| 17:53 | <johnny> ldm vt7 :0
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| 17:53 | or ldm :0 vt7
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| 17:53 | if neither of those work.. then i don't know
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| 17:53 | bug in ldm.. not sure
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| 17:53 | <kusznir> Just went back out there, and ldm was running.
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| 17:53 | don't know....
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| 18:02 | <kusznir> Ok, I restaretd, and ldm failed again. I startted ldm with the command you gave, and it quit again. ldm log had an error about user resolution.
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| 18:03 | I didn't think the thin clients had any concept of user resolution...(my thin client server is using winbind)
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| 18:07 | <abeehc> kusznir: in some cases i've had to dump the ad cache
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| 18:07 | using likewise though; but symptoms for auto-login clients were similar to what you are describing
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| 18:12 | <kusznir> well, I do have two thin client servers here, and one of them (ubuntu 9.10) is currently unusable due to winbind problems (t seems to crash about once a week, and so far I haven't gotten any assistance from the devs). This is my ubuntu 9.04 server, which my thin clients boot from. logins to this system are working fine, wbinfo -u, getent passwd both work fine on the system.
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| 18:12 | I restarted winbindd for good measure, and I'll see what that does.
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| 18:24 | <kusznir> Ok, its working again. I guess its time to ask yet again of the #samba fokes...this is getting really, REALLY old.....
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| 21:20 | <Bytes> hello
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| 21:20 | i need help please
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