IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 2 August 2018 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:15 | <derick_> vagrantc: hey.
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| 02:15 | <derick_> I have ltsp server that provides dhcp services and I am able to boot from client. I have not internet on the client.
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| 02:16 | if change ip address in /etc/resolv.conf to 8.8.8.8
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| 02:16 | internet works on client.
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| 02:19 | <vagrantc> default is to use dns on the server
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| 02:20 | dnsmasq can be configured to relay dns ... alternately you can configure the dns server from lts.conf
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| 02:23 | <derick_> vagrantc: okay. But I dont see any option to cofigure dns in lts.conf
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| 02:28 | <vagrantc> https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/ltsp-docs/lts.conf.5.en.html ?
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| 02:29 | i thought "ltsp-config dnsmasq" also might have options to configure dns ...
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| 02:30 | <derick_> I think there are
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| 02:30 | vagrantc: ltsp-config dnsmasq --enable-dns will this one fix the issue?
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| 02:31 | <vagrantc> it might
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| 02:31 | derick_: where were you looking when you didn't find DNS configuration for lts.conf?
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| 02:32 | <derick_> vagrantc: on lts.conf
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| 02:32 | Usually comments in lts.conf are helpful.
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| 02:33 | <vagrantc> it can't possibly document all of the options, hence the manpage
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| 02:33 | which, admittedly might need updating
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| 02:33 | <derick_> yeah. no worries :)
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| 02:39 | vagrantc: Thanks it worked!
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| 02:41 | <vagrantc> derick_: so the clients are on a separate network, then?
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| 02:41 | <derick_> no same network.
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| 02:43 | <vagrantc> hrm.
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| 02:43 | should just use the DNS passed via DHCP then
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| 02:43 | <derick_> vagrantc: indeed.
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| 02:44 | That happens in case of proxy dhcp setup.
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| 02:44 | <vagrantc> using dnsmasq provides some benefit due to dns caching, but it shouldn't be necessary.
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| 02:44 | it should proxy the dns settings through
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| 02:47 | <derick_> Yes, But newer version of ltsp is also good. It gives users the choice whether they want to enable/disable dhcp/dns
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| 02:47 | maybe thats why DNS not passed via DHCP
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| 02:50 | <vagrantc> working out of the box is good, as long as you can configure it if the defaults don't work
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| 03:01 | <derick_> yeah this is correct as well.
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| 03:02 | So it could be a feature or a bug as well.
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| 09:38 | <bigpresh> Hi - I've been asked to set the channel +r to block unregistered users to stop the spambots getting in, since no ops appear to be available
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| 09:38 | So unless anyone objects to that, I shall do it shortly.
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| 09:49 | <Hyperbyte> bigpresh, thanks for your assistance. We need to sort out our ops list, but generally speaking this is a very peaceful channel... :-) I haven't seen anyone need ops ever, really.
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| 09:50 | bigpresh sets mode: +r | |
| 09:50 | <bigpresh> There we go, +r'd for you in the meantime - poke me as and when you want it removed, if you haven't already gained control yet
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| 09:51 | (via the group registration process, as per our discussion on that)
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| 09:51 | <Hyperbyte> Can you tell me if alkisg is on the ops list?
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| 09:51 | <bigpresh> You *should* be able to see for yourself with /msg chanserv access #ltsp list
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| 09:51 | <Hyperbyte> Oh nice
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| 09:51 | Yep, that'll work.
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| 09:51 | Thanks for the help. :-)
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| 09:51 | <bigpresh> You're welcome :)
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| 10:24 | <ogra> \o/
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| 20:07 | <Helenah> hmm
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| 20:07 | Hi
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| 20:10 | <quinox> hello
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| 20:14 | <Helenah> Oh goody good!
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| 20:15 | <quinox> indeed
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| 20:15 | <Helenah> quinox: How good are you with LTSP? Did you follow the Ubuntu Installation Guide?
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| 20:16 | <quinox> I'm mediocre with it; I've been maintaining my own LTSP installion for 8 years now, but it deviates quite a bit from the normal way of using LTSP
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| 20:16 | if you have any questions just drop them in the chat
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| 20:17 | if I can't help you someone else will show up eventually that can
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| 20:17 | the devs of LTSP hang out here, they know a thing or 2 about LTSP ;-)
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| 20:17 | <quinox> !ask
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| 20:17 | <ltsp> ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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| 20:25 | <quinox> I did follow the most recent Ubuntu Installation Guide
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| 20:25 | deviated a bit re: the DHCP setup
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| 20:26 | specifically I followed http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Installation/Ubuntu
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| 20:27 | <Helenah> quinox: I added a user to my chroot expecting that user to be able to log in, as a thin client, they can log in, but not into fat clients, where as I, the first user can. I even updated the NBD image. Then, today, I noticed when I log in as myself, my X session is started as myself, however when I open a terminal, it opens a bash as the newly added user...
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| 20:28 | <quinox> Fat clients authenticate against the LTSP server during login
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| 20:28 | <Helenah> Yeah, I followed that guide, I have met the guide maintainer in this same channel.
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| 20:29 | Who claims he only updated it a week ago
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| 20:29 | <quinox> so try adding users to your server
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| 20:29 | <Helenah> I tried that too
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| 20:29 | <quinox> Updated July 23rd, quite recent indeed
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| 20:29 | it did not help?
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| 20:30 | <Helenah> It worked up until adding a second user for access to the clients.
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| 20:30 | <quinox> for debugging logins you can run this on the server: tail -f /var/log/auth.log
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| 20:30 | it will show you the authentication log, updating in real-time
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| 20:30 | <Helenah> Now when I log in to my X session, and open a terminal, I get a shell as that newly created user and my X session shows it's running as myself. I'm on a fat client currently.
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| 20:31 | <quinox> then try logging in and see if you get any useful messages
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| 20:31 | <Helenah> hmm
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| 20:31 | <quinox> it should at least say either say "Logged in user X" or "Denied login for user X"
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| 20:32 | I also have the mixed users sometimes
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| 20:32 | <Helenah> It's a security concern.
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| 20:32 | <quinox> it's because in Linux world your username is derived from your user ID
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| 20:33 | if I have a local user with ID 2007 and an LDAP user also with ID 2007 both users can login, but will randomly see each other's username instead of their own
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| 20:34 | if you do "ls -aln" it will show numeric IDs instead of usernames
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| 20:34 | <Helenah> So I could have duplicate uid's in my passwd file, hmm
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| 20:35 | <quinox> perhaps duplicate between the server and the chroot, yes
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| 20:35 | <Helenah> My cat is making sure he gets my attention, heh
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| 20:35 | hmm
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| 20:36 | I'll have a look into it
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| 20:37 | <quinox> one thing to know: password lockers (such as screensavers) authenticate against the local filesystem
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| 20:39 | <Helenah> hmm
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| 20:40 | <quinox> should you run into that problem you can either let the local system use the same auth as the server in case of LDAP, or use some nice feature of lts.conf which I can't find at the moment
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| 20:40 | <Helenah> hmm
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| 20:40 | <quinox> but that is unrelated of the login
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| 20:40 | so fix that first :-)
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| 20:42 | !LDM_PASSWORD_HASH
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| 20:42 | <ltsp> LDM_PASSWORD_HASH: LDM_PASSWORD_HASH=True in lts.conf saves the password hash to /etc/shadow on login, so that the users can unlock the screensaver etc. If they happen to change their password though, that only takes effect until logout.
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| 20:42 | <Helenah> quinox: I'm trying to incorporate LTSP into a textiles manufacturer.
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| 20:42 | <quinox> cool
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| 20:42 | I use LTSP at my work, it works great
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| 20:43 | whenever a PC breaks I just throw it out, buy a new one and people can continue working
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| 20:43 | no need to reinstall and all that
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| 20:44 | <Helenah> Yeah, it is a lot better
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| 20:44 | I actually own the company
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| 20:46 | <quinox> and still getting your hands dirty, I like that 👍
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| 20:47 | <Helenah> I can't afford to employ people to handle my dirty as I'm running a startup.
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| 20:47 | work
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| 20:47 | <quinox> what does manufacturing textiles entail?
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| 20:49 | <Helenah> Clothing mainly
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| 20:49 | We make clothes to fit people, not people to fit clothes.
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| 20:50 | <quinox> b2c?
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| 20:50 | <Helenah> b2c?
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| 20:50 | <quinox> sorry
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| 20:50 | are you selling to consumers directly or to other companies?
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| 20:50 | <Helenah> Both
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| 20:51 | We make clothes to fit people, we don't make clothes to fit a model and then be mass produced to a standard of their shape
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| 20:51 | <quinox> cool
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| 20:51 | <Helenah> If you come to us with 3 limbs instead of 4, for example, we can make custom clothing to fit your body.
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| 20:52 | <quinox> neat
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| 20:52 | <Helenah> and have the clothing look right on people with disabilities that simply do not look good in mass produced clothing.
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| 20:53 | We target each market to our best.
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| 20:53 | <quinox> sounds like a very rewarding activity
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| 20:54 | <Helenah> Customers can be waiting weeks depending on their disabilities while we design the clothing to fit them, it also customs a Premium due to this, I can be making hundreds in a day off a single customer.
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| 20:54 | *costs
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| 20:55 | As for designing clothes to fit individuals with no deformities or anything, we can make the clothing within the week which brings the price down, however with the clothing being custom, that brings the price up.
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| 20:57 | <quinox> I know nothing of this industry: how much of it is currently automated, and how much can you automate?
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| 20:57 | I can imagine cutting fabrics can be done by machines easily... stitching not so much?
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| 20:58 | <quinox> <-- my job is automating processes for other companies :D
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| 21:00 | it's a bit of a schizofrenic thing... I love the fact that stuff gets cheaper if I automate stuff well, and getting rid of jobs which are basically copy/pasting data all days long feels good... at the same time people do lose their jobs because of it
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| 21:04 | <quinox> on a societal level I honestly think we're better off without the the jobs that I eliminate. But as a society we don't really have a good alternative for those people that have nowhere else to go
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| 21:04 | <Helenah> quinox: Are Embroidery is automated
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| 21:04 | *Our
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| 21:05 | My partner has the same condition, and she's fascinated by manufacturing processes.
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| 21:05 | in general
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| 21:05 | She could make you a garment, she could also make you a gokart
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| 21:10 | <quinox> awesome
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