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| 06:13 | <benGREEN> help
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| 08:46 | <tonyv> I've been successfully running LTSP5 under Debian Lenny. After a motherboard change on the server, I'm now unable to log in from any client. The log shows "Host key verification failed". I've run ltsp-update-sshkeys and ltsp-update-image 'till I'm blue in the face, with no success. Any suggestions, please?
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| 08:47 | <epsas> weird
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| 08:47 | "that shouldn't happen"
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| 08:48 | are you sure all services are being brought up?
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| 08:49 | <tonyv> No, but I think they are. Which should I look out for?
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| 08:51 | <vagrantc> tonyv: for future reference, on Debian, there's usually no need to run ltsp-update-image unless you've explicitly configured it to use NBD images.
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| 08:52 | <knipwim> epsas: can you login from a regular computer in the network?
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| 08:53 | <vagrantc> tonyv: from the server, try "ssh user@localhost" with the same user you're trying to log in with from the server.
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| 08:54 | <knipwim> epsas: nm
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| 08:54 | tonyv: can you login from a regular computer in the network?
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| 08:54 | <vagrantc> though i would think you'd get a different error if ssh wasn't running at all...
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| 08:55 | <tonyv> Vagrant, that works OK
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| 08:57 | <tonyv> Can't get to another computer on the network
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| 08:57 | <vagrantc> tonyv: are you running dhcp on the same server?
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| 08:57 | <tonyv> I've not configured it for NBD images (I think) but certainly need to rebuild the image...
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| 08:58 | Yes, DHCP on the same server
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| 09:00 | <vagrantc> tonyv: did you use the --squashfs-image or --create-fs-image or --create-ext2-image options? those configure it to use NBD
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| 09:00 | tonyv: to ltsp-build-client, when you originally made the LTSP chroot
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| 09:01 | (and actually, only --squashfs-image would require using ltsp-update-image
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| 09:01 | )
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| 09:01 | tonyv: ok, so what's in /etc/exports?
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| 09:03 | <tonyv> vagrant: I don't think so, too long ago. Certainly not squashfs-image.
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| 09:03 | vagrant:
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| 09:03 | # export the home directories to any host in magpieway.net
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| 09:03 | /home/jane/ *.magpieway.net(rw,sync,no_subtree_check) *(rw,async,all_squash,no_subtree_check)
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| 09:03 | /home/tony/ *.magpieway.net(rw,sync,no_subtree_check)
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| 09:03 | /home/tony/shared/ *.magpieway.net(rw,async,no_subtree_check)
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| 09:03 | # export the risc-os directories to the risc-os workstations
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| 09:03 | /home/riscos/ *-ro.magpieway.net(rw,sync,no_subtree_check)
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| 09:03 | /home/riscos-shared/ *-ro.magpieway.net(rw,sync,no_subtree_check)
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| 09:03 | # export the ltsp OS to the ltsp workstations
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| 09:03 | <vagrantc> tonyv: then i assure you, you don't need to run ltsp-update-image.
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| 09:03 | <tonyv> /home/ ws???.ltsp.magpieway.net(rw,async,no_subtree_check)
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| 09:03 | <vagrantc> tonyv: GAH
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| 09:03 | <tonyv> /opt/ltsp/i386/ ws???.ltsp.magpieway.net(no_root_squash,async,no_subtree_check)
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| 09:03 | # export some major partitions read-only to any linux host in magpieway.net
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| 09:03 | <vagrantc> !pastebot
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| 09:03 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 09:03 | <tonyv> /home/ tony-l?.magpieway.net(sync,no_subtree_check)
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| 09:03 | /usr/local/ tony-l?.magpieway.net(sync,no_subtree_check)
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| 09:03 | <vagrantc> tonyv: stop.
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| 09:04 | tonyv: please use the pastebot unless it's only 1-2 lines.
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| 09:05 | <tonyv> Sorry, I'm new to this.
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| 09:05 | <vagrantc> tonyv: ok, so i would recommend commenting out the line for /opt/ltsp/i386 ... and adding the line: /opt/ltsp *(ro,no_root_squash,async,no_subtree_check)
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| 09:06 | tonyv: and then: invoke-rc.d nfs-kernel-server restart
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| 09:06 | tonyv: while we're at it: grep nbd /etc/inetd.conf
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| 09:10 | <Gadi> vagrantc: you're missing an "n" in "then" in your last update
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| 09:10 | <vagrantc> Gadi: thanks!
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| 09:10 | gah.
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| 09:10 | * vagrantc is also struggling with the internet connection | |
| 09:13 | <tonyv> vagrant:2000 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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| 09:13 | <vagrantc> tonyv: looks like you have it configured for both NFS and NBD ... although maybe ltsp-update-image adds that
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| 09:14 | <tonyv> vagrant: Editing/restarting exports made no difference
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| 09:15 | <tonyv> vagrant: OK how do I fix the config?
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| 09:15 | <vagrantc> tonyv: could you comment out the NBD line in /etc/inetd.conf, and restart inetd: invoke-rc.d openbsd-inetd restart
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| 09:15 | tonyv: and then reboot a terminal and see if it stops booting
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| 09:16 | <vagrantc> tonyv: we still haven't established how you're actually booting...
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| 09:27 | <tonyv> vagrantc: OK commented out line in inetd.conf; restarted xinetd (not running inetd); treminal still boots.
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| 09:27 | <vagrantc> tonyv: good. you *definitely* do not need to run ltsp-update-image :)
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| 09:27 | oh, xinetd... fun.
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| 09:28 | tonyv: so, does /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts exist?
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| 09:29 | tonyv: and if so, does it contain the ip addresses you'd expect the thin client to be logging in as the server?
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| 09:32 | <tonyv> yes and yes (... at the server... presumably)
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| 09:32 | <vagrantc> tonyv: are you using dhcp3-server ?
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| 09:33 | <tonyv> vagrantc: yes
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| 09:33 | <vagrantc> tonyv: grep next-server /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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| 09:34 | !ver
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| 09:34 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "ver" is to get version info on debian/ubuntu (please use the pastebot): dpkg -l 'ltsp*' 'ldm*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}' ; dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}'
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| 09:34 | <vagrantc> tonyv: and please run the above command and paste to the pastebot...
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| 09:36 | <ltsppbot> "tonyv" pasted "grep next-server /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf" (1 line) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/465
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| 09:39 | <vagrantc> tonyv: no need to use the pastebot when it's only one line.
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| 09:39 | tonyv: i meant to use pastebot with the dpkg commands posted by the ltspbot above.
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| 09:39 | <tonyv> Only following instructions :)
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| 09:40 | <vagrantc> tonyv: so please run the dpkg commands above *exactly* and paste to the pastebot
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| 09:42 | gah. my internet connection is borked. i'm going to have to come back to this later.
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| 09:42 | <ltsppbot> "tonyv" pasted "tony@tony-lx:~$ dpkg -l 'ltsp*" (12 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/466
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| 09:42 | <vagrantc> tonyv: hopefully someone else can help you
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| 09:43 | tonyv: this looks like a very old chroot. you might want to update to something current.
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| 09:44 | tonyv: and no need to have ldm or ltspfsd* installed on your server
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| 09:45 | <vagrantc> tonyv: i'd recommend getting the latest LTSP backports and starting over: http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto/Lenny-With-Backports
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| 09:45 | <maginot> good morning. Whats the possible causes when the client connects a pen-drive and it doesnt mount ?
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| 09:48 | <tonyv> vagrantc: thanks; I'll do that
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| 09:57 | <maginot> I have noticed something on my ltsp server (four quad xeon w/ 32gb of ram) ... I was watching top and a process (nautilus) call my attention when it was consuming between 90 to 98% of cpu usage. So I asked the user and it wasnt even browsing with nautilus, but before he was using a smb share in the same server trhough nautilus.... is any related bug with smb share, nautilus and ltsp ?
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| 10:17 | <bieb> Gadi!!! hows it going?
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| 10:21 | stgraber: Ping....
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| 10:56 | <garymc> Hi, I currently downloaded Ltsp built into a fedora 10 package, that I just install from CD
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| 10:56 | I want to know is there a 64bit version or is it on the same cd?
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| 10:57 | I think its called k2linux
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| 10:58 | no its k12linux
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| 10:58 | Is htere a 64bit version?
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| 10:59 | Or maybe I just dont know what im talking about
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| 10:59 | No one here?
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| 10:59 | <vagrantc> garymc: be patient
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| 12:03 | <stgraber> bieb: pong
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| 12:08 | <maginot> *bump
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| 12:17 | <Gadi> stgraber: does this look similar to your solution? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LocaldevCommonGroupWorkaround
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| 12:19 | <vagrantc_> Gadi: i've been trying to push the bugfix you mentioned for hours
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| 12:20 | <Gadi> the missing "n"?
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| 12:20 | <vagrantc_> Gadi: yeah.
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| 12:20 | Gadi: the internet connection here got wonky shortly after the previous commit.
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| 12:20 | <Gadi> wow! that must be a big "n"
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| 12:20 | :)
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| 12:22 | <johnny> why did it have to be a perl script?
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| 12:22 | <vagrantc_> Gadi: i knew /etc/ltspfs/mounter.d would come in handy
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| 12:22 | <johnny> that code looks like it could be a shell script?
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| 12:22 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 12:22 | I had issues with the shell script and suid running it
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| 12:22 | <johnny> really?
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| 12:22 | <Gadi> it wasn't working for me at the time
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| 12:22 | not sure why
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| 12:22 | <vagrantc_> suid is tricky
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| 12:23 | <Gadi> and perl only worked with the perl-suid package
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| 12:23 | yeah - mysterious
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| 12:23 | <ogra> not reall
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| 12:23 | y
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| 12:23 | you dont exec the script, a shell execs it, the shell would have to be suid ;)
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| 12:23 | <Gadi> ah - there ya go
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| 12:24 | <ogra> and thats what perl-suid actually does, it ships a suid'ed interpreter
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| 12:24 | * Gadi throws ogra a treat | |
| 12:24 | <ogra> :)
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| 12:42 | <highvoltage> geeksnack!
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| 12:46 | <vagrantc_> whew!
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| 12:46 | only took 3.5 hours to push a single "n"
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| 12:50 | <johnny> that's all?
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| 12:50 | lol
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| 12:51 | <Gadi> hehe - vigilant
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| 12:52 | btw, nice use of the ":"
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| 12:52 | ;)
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| 12:53 | <vagrantc_> Gadi: i could have even left out the #
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| 12:57 | oh no! i have to also push a "
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| 13:07 | <seanthegeek> Does anyone know of a cheap non-brand-name thin client that is can PXE a ubuntu desktop out of the box?
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| 13:13 | <CAN-o-SPAM> seanthegeek: www.DisklessWorkstations.com
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| 13:53 | <seanthegeek> Could anyone tell be if this build could smoothly support 25 client? http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=10631271
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| 14:03 | <bieb> seanthegeek: that is kind of an open question... will all depend on what the clients will be running and how
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| 14:03 | seanthegeek: do you have a budget?
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| 14:04 | <seanthegeek> im runting to run donated P3 boxes as clients
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| 14:04 | just a basic ubuntu PXE boot
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| 14:05 | <bieb> not the clients.. what will they be doing on the clients?
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| 14:05 | <seanthegeek> Open office, firefox, maybe some flash content
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| 14:05 | full gnome desktop
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| 14:06 | <bieb> what type of server budget are you working with?
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| 14:06 | <seanthegeek> $1000
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| 14:07 | im looking at building one, please see the link above.
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| 14:08 | <bieb> I was looking at that link...
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| 14:09 | personally... I would prefer stronger board, 2 processors and more RAM. The server I built has 16gb of Ram. For Firefox to perform well with 25 clients, you should use local apps.. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ltsp-localapps
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| 14:11 | <seanthegeek> Perhaps i would be better off using drbl?
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| 14:13 | <Lns> seanthegeek: personally I think your system might be OK..but i do agree with bieb, you probably wanna get a dual-CPU board instead
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| 14:13 | 8GB RAM should be fine IMHO
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| 14:13 | no less than 4 though
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| 14:14 | <seanthegeek> thanks for the imput
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| 14:14 | <bieb> Lns: he only had 4gb RAM spec'ed
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| 14:14 | <Lns> The things you run into mostly that tack-out the CPU are things like flash...normal stuff like openoffice and normal webpage viewing (no flash) should be fine with the CPU you specced
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| 14:14 | bieb: i know
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| 14:15 | <bieb> ok
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| 14:15 | <Lns> seanthegeek: if at all possible, use SAS hard disk/controller, probably a better bet than SATA w/that many clients hammering away
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| 15:33 | <garymc> Hi, anyone know where I can find a torrent download for k12linux 64bit version
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| 15:33 | as the k12linux.org site takes 4 hours for 800mb
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| 15:36 | <knipwim> seeing one on mininova, but it's only 480mb
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| 15:38 | <garymc> yeah i found them ones
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| 15:39 | <knipwim> and few seeders
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| 15:39 | <garymc> yeah the download is taking
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| 16:37 | <lupine_85> hey hey. I'm probably asking for trouble, but trying to get LTSP working in Ubuntu Karmic (+1 release). I can get the client up, and I can get it to run X, but I can't get it to do ldm - and I'm wondering what I'm missing. Any deubbing pointers?
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| 16:43 | <johnny> enable ssh in the chroot, rebuild the image
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| 16:43 | and then ssh into it and check /var/log/ldm.og
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| 16:43 | ldm.log*
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| 16:43 | or
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| 16:43 | wait.. i wonder if this still works
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| 16:43 | or is not broken rather
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| 16:44 | set SCREEN_02=shell
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| 16:44 | in lts.conf
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| 16:44 | and then go alt +f2 and check ldm.log
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| 16:46 | <garymc> Hey guys im trying to install LTSP on my hp proliant server but it wont boot
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| 16:46 | anyone know anything about hp servers. Getting no joy anywhere
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| 16:56 | <lupine_85> hmm, it doesn't start X at all - it says 'Too few X's in /var/run/ldm-xauth-<randomstringhere>/Xauthority (which doesn't exist as a file in any of those directories)
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| 16:56 | (I have root shell access to the ltsp client )
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| 17:05 | <lupine_85> the ldm.log just keeps spawning gtk greeters and noting them dye with exit status 0
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| 17:05 | die*
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| 17:07 | * lupine_85 reckons it's the X server setup being... wrong, somehow. no Xorg.?.log gets generated by default | |
| 17:16 | <lupine_85> aha
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| 17:16 | bad use of mktemp
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| 17:16 | we should be using 'touch', not mktemp there
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| 17:21 | <GGD> !seen warren
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| 17:21 | <ltspbot> GGD: warren was last seen in #ltsp 1 day, 0 hours, 2 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <warren> pulseaudio changed substantially
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| 20:39 | <thinkle79> in my attempt to automount a Windows Share (using pam_mount), I seem to have created a monster -- ls -lhs ~/ produces " ? d????????? ? ? ? ? ? Docs" -- this seems to be neither file nor directory. Any ideas what might be happening?
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| 20:52 | <Ahmuck-Jr> got a question, ubuntu - ltsp general
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| 21:51 | <ace_suares1> thinkle79:
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| 21:51 | thinkle79: u there
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| 22:45 | <thinkle79> ace_suares1: I'm here. Missed your message.
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| 22:46 | ace_suares1: I've worked around the root issue. The weird mountpoint was a result of trying to mount a directory within a share -- I had to mount the whole directory, then use a bind directive to point to the individual folder.
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| 23:10 | <dkostousov> Anybody knows when k12Linus F11 Live will be realised?
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| 23:10 | <cyberorg> dkostousov, in the mean time you can try http://en.opensuse.org/Education/Live :)
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| 23:18 | <dkostousov> I have about 5 years experience of working on Fedora. That why Fedora-based ltsp-server preferred.
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| 23:21 | <cyberorg> dkostousov, i meant you can give it a try till there is F11 live available
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| 23:22 | your experience will certainly be useful as this is RPM based system too
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| 23:26 | <johnny> i am so tired of seperate bugzillas
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| 23:26 | :(
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| 23:26 | <cyberorg> hey johnny :)
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| 23:27 | <johnny> i wish novell, canonical, redhat would all allow one to use openid :(
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| 23:27 | or something like that anyways
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| 23:27 | <dkostousov> I tried to use SUSE 3 years ago. It's configuration too differ from Fedora's
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| 23:28 | YaST - brrr %-\
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| 23:28 | <johnny> dkostousov, they have a chatroom, you should ask them
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| 23:28 | <cyberorg> dkostousov, yes it does, and things improve radically in 3 years :)
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| 23:28 | <johnny> dkostousov, not many k12 folks hang out here often
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| 23:28 | dkostousov, and if the chatroom doesn't work, you can post to their mailing list
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| 23:29 | dkostousov, after idling in this room for almost 2 years.. it seems most people come in here for ubuntu
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| 23:29 | <dkostousov> what is the chatroom name?
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| 23:29 | <johnny> it might just be #k12linux, but i don't know.. it's probably on their website
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| 23:30 | <dkostousov> From k12linux site: Online Chat ¶
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| 23:30 | * Please join irc.freenode.net channel #ltsp for online chat.
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| 23:30 | <johnny> ouch
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| 23:31 | <johnny> dkostousov, i don't know what to tell you then.. other than post to the mailing list
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| 23:31 | but perhaps first read the archives.. see if somebody else already asked
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| 23:31 | or developers already talking about it
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| 23:31 | <dkostousov> ok, thx
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| 23:32 | <johnny> cyberorg, you don't have to try to push your choices all the time
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| 23:32 | as a current user of 4 distros..
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| 23:32 | i don't really try to promote one
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| 23:32 | <cyberorg> johnny, i don't, but i have to make it known to someone looking for a live CD/DVD, i don;t think there is any other distro that has it ;)
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| 23:33 | <johnny> have what? a live cd?
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| 23:33 | with ltsp?
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| 23:33 | fedora does
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| 23:33 | ubuntu could..
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| 23:33 | i don't know if the edubuntu thing works with ltsp as a livecd or not
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| 23:34 | <cyberorg> dkostousov, is looking for F11 live ltsp, i dont think there is one yet
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| 23:34 | <johnny> suprising
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| 23:34 | warren was passing around usb keys with fedora ltsp on it
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| 23:34 | so i know they do it often
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| 23:35 | cyberorg, btw.. i use fedora now on my laptop
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| 23:35 | so.. that's where 1 new of my 4 comes in
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| 23:35 | <cyberorg> https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/LiveServer
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| 23:37 | pushing something is quite different than making someone aware of something they didn't know exist, awareness is so less that most people think ubuntu is the only distro with ltsp
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