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Channel log from 30 November 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:44 | <lupine_85> I'm hunting for places where netcat gets called in the initialisation of an LDM vt. I've found one in usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/ldm - anyone know of any other instances?
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| 02:44 | I seem to have a race condition... somewhere... that causes initialization of the X session to fail before the X server is started with nc complaining about an invalid option 'f' being passed
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| 02:45 | <alkisg> /client/xinitrc.d/I00-cluster
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| 02:45 | <lupine_85> ( nc -w 5 $SRV 9571 > /var/run/ldm/$SRV is the one I've found so far - doesn't look like the right candidate, though I've taken to caching the ldm file in question)
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| 02:45 | <alkisg> /client/screen-x-common
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| 02:45 | /screen.d/ldm
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| 02:46 | /rc.d/P00-ltsp-cluster
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| 02:46 | That's what grepping the source tells me...
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| 02:48 | <lupine_85> I guess that would have been the most sensible option ;). Unless the $SRV variable is being set incorrectly, I'm not sure where it's getting 'f' from
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| 02:55 | <alkisg> Well I guess you could replace nc with a script that would first echo a debugging message/spawn a shell etc and then call the actual nc ;)
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| 02:57 | (or better yet, first call nc and only stop if there's been an error)
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| 02:57 | <lupine_85> oh, wait, got it
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| 02:57 | /var/run/ldm contains a file named "-f"
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| 02:58 | <alkisg> Heh, so $SVR is actually -t!!!
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| 02:58 | <lupine_85> so somewhere, I suspect, there's a broken if [-f ... ]
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| 03:05 | * lupine_85 hunts, fails to find, looks more | |
| 03:07 | <alkisg> lupine_85: do you have nfs or nbd?
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| 03:07 | <lupine_85> nbd
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| 03:08 | this is the Karmic interpretation of ltsp, for reference
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| 03:09 | so something, somewhere, is setting LDM_SERVER to be '-f'
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| 03:09 | <alkisg> Or even SERVER
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| 03:10 | <lupine_85> yeah, I don't have a /usr/share/ltsp/get_hosts
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| 03:13 | that gets set in ltsp_config...
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| 03:14 | server=$(pgrep -f -l $DEVICE | awk '{print $3}')
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| 03:15 | oof. that script scares me
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| 03:16 | however, it gives the right output at the moment
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| 03:16 | so I'd guess a race condition
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| 03:16 | <alkisg> Put a break=init in pxelinux.cfg/default, and cat /tmp/net-eth0.cfg to see if it looks ok
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| 03:19 | * lupine_85 sets up a test machine | |
| 03:24 | <lupine_85> thanks for following along :)
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| 03:48 | <lupine_85> ok, everything looks fine in the initramfs
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| 03:55 | <lupine_85> aaaand now it doesn't want to die on me, unless removing the pretty splash screen works around the race
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| 03:59 | <lupine_85> ah well. I shall report a bug with ubuntu and chase more if it appears again
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| 04:12 | <lupine_85> hmm, if I set SERVER manually, I suspect I'll bypass this bug entirely
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| 04:35 | <alkisg> Karmic switched to upstart, it might be a race condition, it won't be the first that emerged because of the switch...
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| 05:02 | <Appiah> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/490283 can anyone set this to wishlist? I cant find it?
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| 05:34 | <lupine_85> alkisg: I filed a bug, anyways
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| 05:38 | mind you, I don't generally get much joy with LP
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| 05:46 | <alkisg> Heh no LP is ok... lots of people helping there
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| 05:48 | lupine_85: I don't think you should have put LTSP in the affected projects, though, e.g. if it is an upstart problem, I don't think the Fedora or OpenSuSE maintainers will be happy to be bothered about Ubuntu-specific problems... :)
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| 05:48 | <lupine_85> ah... whoops
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| 05:48 | maybe I don't get much joy because I don't know how to use it ;)
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| 05:53 | <alkisg> lupine_85: If you continue to experience the issue, do replace "nc" with a script somewhat like that:
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| 05:53 | #!/bin/sh
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| 05:53 | if ! /bin/nc.original "$@"; then
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| 05:53 | echo "nc problem, spawning a shell to look into it..."
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| 05:53 | /bin/sh
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| 05:53 | fi
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| 05:54 | There, look for /etc/mount problems or whatever else you suspect may be the problem
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| 05:54 | (cat /proc/<pid>/environ will get you access to the SERVER variable...)
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| 05:55 | <lupine_85> well, I've set SERVER= in the lts.conf now, since my main concern is having a stable LTSP environment. If I get a slow day, or that doesn't fix it, I shall poke more
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| 05:55 | I'm pretty sure that'll fix the issue though
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| 05:55 | s/fix/workaround/
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| 07:34 | <shawnp0wers> Odd... This morning one of my LTSP servers suddenly wouldn't let anyone connect to it. SSH refused connections.
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| 07:34 | <Appiah> O_o
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| 07:35 | <shawnp0wers> A reboot fixed it
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| 07:35 | but still, that's odd
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| 08:33 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:35 | <CAN-o-SPAM> morning sbalneav!
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| 08:46 | <scottmaccal> morning
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| 09:05 | <_UsUrPeR_> morning all. I hope everybody had a good Thanksgiving
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| 09:28 | <sbalneav> s/everybody/my US friends/ :)
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| 09:29 | <Appiah_> :D
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| 09:34 | <CAN-o-SPAM> how about that boxing day?
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| 09:52 | <dro> have any of experienced random clients just powering off?
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| 10:04 | <sbalneav> dro: sure
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| 10:04 | Usually due to hardware problems.
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| 10:09 | <scottmaccal> cliebow: was up your way yesterday
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| 10:11 | <MaRX-Mode> johnny: it did complie the ltsp client for gentoo now properly (i think). It really did help after adding gtk+ and xorg-serverinto installaton, also put some others, but at least the client managed to compile itself successfully
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| 10:11 | <MaRX-Mode> .. but now some prob with nfs. feels like can
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| 10:12 | <MaRX-Mode> *can't load NIC modules or smthg else not working in kernel to get networking on. i'll continue debuggin. anycase: Thanks =)
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| 10:12 | <johnny> MaRX-Mode, you have to manually edit the initramfs to include your nic
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| 10:13 | and rebuild it
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| 10:13 | <MaRX-Mode> nice, something i ever done before. any "quick -howtos" in sites ?
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| 10:13 | <johnny> genkernel initramfs includes a bunch of ata/scis drivers
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| 10:13 | but only 2 net drivers
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| 10:14 | chroot into the chroot via linux32 chroot
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| 10:14 | if you're on amd64 server
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| 10:14 | <MaRX-Mode> i686
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| 10:14 | dual xeon ^^
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| 10:14 | <johnny> and edit /usr/share/genkernel/x86/modules_load
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| 10:14 | add the relevant nic modules to the nic line
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| 10:15 | and then rebuild it via genkernel initrd or genkernel ramdisk, and copy our initramfs to your tftp directory
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| 10:15 | <MaRX-Mode> any guesses how long it takes to load.. ~20 nic modules ?
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| 10:15 | <johnny> no
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| 10:15 | <MaRX-Mode> k, i'll see it then
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| 10:15 | <johnny> the design of the initramfs is genkernel is pretty bad imo
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| 10:15 | we are probably going to switch to dracut for ltsp.. some day
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| 10:16 | <knipwim> it's on the todo list :)
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| 10:16 | <MaRX-Mode> heh, that's one step closer =)
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| 10:17 | <knipwim> at least it is in portage now
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| 10:17 | <johnny> ah knipwim good
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| 10:18 | knipwim, somebody needs to get the genkernel peeps to drop their own initramfs
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| 10:18 | :(
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| 10:18 | <knipwim> and use dracut for initramfs generation?
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| 10:19 | <johnny> yes
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| 10:19 | for gentoo overall
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| 10:22 | <knipwim> btw, did you have a chance to look at the versioned ebuild?
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| 10:22 | <johnny> sure
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| 10:22 | don't you have a git clone
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| 10:22 | why wouldn't you commit it there?
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| 10:23 | <knipwim> didn't commit it yet because it's new
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| 10:23 | <johnny> you should still commit it to your own git repo
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| 10:26 | <knipwim> http://git.flowledge.nl/?p=ltsp-overlay.git;a=summary
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| 11:03 | * vagrantc still doesn't understand all the -fp business. | |
| 11:03 | <vagrantc> reboot/poweroff -fp ... what's the meaning of this? :)
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| 11:03 | seems to be a massive campaign
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| 11:10 | <sbalneav> I think, the issue was one of, we used to use -fp, but that just does the equivalent of sync;sync;halt
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| 11:10 | but it left some stuff lying around on the server
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| 11:10 | so it was shanged to -p, which is like a shutdown
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| 11:11 | but as soon as networking turns off, we lose the / disk, either via NFS or NBD
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| 11:11 | but there's still shutdown tasks to do, so the box just sits there, grinding on the fact it has no /
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| 11:11 | <ogra> vagrantc, -f is the important part ... means do what you were called as *immediately* ... i.e. poweroff/reboot -f doesnt call the initscripts
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| 11:12 | <sbalneav> right
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| 11:12 | what he said, in less words than what I was saying :)
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| 11:12 | Morning ogra!
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| 11:12 | <ogra> heh
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| 11:12 | evening :)
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| 11:12 | <sbalneav> and vagrantc as well
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| 11:12 | <vagrantc> nfs properly shuts down on debian
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| 11:12 | at least on lenny
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| 11:13 | <ogra> well, once ubuntu ltsp switched completely to upstart i doubt it will be needed anymore
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| 11:14 | it should just DTRT then
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| 11:14 | <vagrantc> upstart or upstart hooks need to not disable networking if the root filesystem is network based
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| 11:14 | <ogra> right
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| 11:15 | there are still bugs in mountall ... but they should be shaken out for lucid
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| 11:15 | <vagrantc> i seem to recall -fp behaving badly in the past, and was happy when we dropped it
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| 11:15 | <ogra> thats why not everything is upstartified yet
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| 11:32 | <shawnp0wers> of course it would happen today... Anyone experience sshd quitting seemingly for no reason on their server, causing people to not be able to log in?
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| 11:33 | I have a big presentation to the community today, using this server
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| 11:33 | (OF COURSE)
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| 11:33 | <sbalneav> Any errors in either syslog, daemon.log, or authlog?
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| 11:34 | All your updates up-to-date? DOS/hack attack etc.
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| 11:34 | <shawnp0wers> none that I stick out...
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| 11:34 | Yes, all up to date, and it's an internal server, used by very few people
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| 11:34 | (it's my test server)
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| 11:34 | <sbalneav> did the sshd daemon exit altogether?
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| 11:34 | <shawnp0wers> running /etc/init.d/ssh restart makes things work again
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| 11:35 | I'll have to wait actually to see
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| 11:35 | I restarted in a panic
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| 11:35 | but this is my second time today...
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| 11:35 | I thought it was a fluke when I came in this morning after break
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| 11:36 | it looks like there are some sysv updates I could install...
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| 11:36 | odd that it would just "happen" though
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| 11:36 | <sbalneav> sshd does most of it's loggin in auth.log
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| 11:36 | What was in there just before it died?
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| 11:36 | <shawnp0wers> I'll go through there some more and look for anything fishy
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| 11:36 | I'm not sure when it died, I just came back from lunch and tried to log in
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| 11:37 | There are some errors about smbpass.so being missing, etc -- but I suspect it's just a slight misconfiguration, I dont' authenticate over smb anyway
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| 11:37 | (ie, I am fairly certain it's always been there)
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| 11:37 | I do authenticate over LDAP to an OSX server
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| 11:39 | <shawnp0wers> sbalneav: whoa, quit again...
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| 11:39 | last things in log are: :received signal 15; terminating.
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| 11:39 | subsystem request for sftp
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| 11:39 | init pgpme version....
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| 11:40 | but no failure messages
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| 11:40 | <sbalneav> where's the sftp coming from?
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| 11:40 | <shawnp0wers> (from me, I'm trying to copy a file over)
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| 11:41 | it looks like sshd is still running...
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| 11:41 | sshd: root@pts/1
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| 11:42 | (when I ps waxx | grep sshd)
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| 11:42 | <sbalneav> but you can't ssh into the box anymore?
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| 11:42 | <shawnp0wers> no, I get "connection refused"
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| 11:43 | <sbalneav> Bugs in the past have dealt with sshd crashing with pam_ldap:
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| 11:43 | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-ssh@lists.debian.org/msg01161.html
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| 11:43 | <shawnp0wers> strange that it would happen today though, right?
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| 11:43 | I've been using the server for a couple weeks...
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| 11:44 | <sbalneav> Well, the standard systems administrator rubrick you'd use in this case is, "what's changed recently?"
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| 11:44 | <shawnp0wers> yeah, that's just it -- I came here after my sysadmin brain started smoking. :)
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| 11:44 | this hasnt been touched in over a week
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| 11:45 | do you know what sshd prvilege separation actually is?
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| 11:45 | <sbalneav> Vaguely. I beleive it has to do with ssh dropping privs as soon as it can.
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| 11:45 | <shawnp0wers> hm, and that bug is for logging in with keys, not passwords
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| 11:46 | I'm really befuddled...
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| 11:46 | <sbalneav> Anything changed on your ldap server? New users, new OU's? etc.
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| 11:46 | could be bad data coming out of the ldap server.
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| 11:46 | <Gadi> shawnp0wers: you can increase the log level of sshd - might tell you something
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| 11:47 | <sbalneav> Gadi: yep.
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| 11:47 | <shawnp0wers> will do
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| 11:47 | <scottmaccal> ssh -v is helpful sometimes as well
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| 11:47 | * Gadi says hi, btw | |
| 11:47 | <shawnp0wers> I I restarted the process again, that "sshd: root@pts/1" remained active even when the services was stopped
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| 11:47 | I killed if off, and restarted sshd
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| 11:47 | I'll go increase the log level
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| 11:48 | <Gadi> yeah, listen to scottmaccal, too - you may even want ssh -vvv
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| 11:49 | <shawnp0wers> wow, logging in once kills it
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| 11:49 | (via thin client)
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| 11:50 | I'll recreate this a bit and pick your collective brains a bit...
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| 11:50 | * shawnp0wers goes off to gather info | |
| 11:54 | <shawnp0wers> well, I figured out what causes the crash, haven't figured out why yet...
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| 11:54 | Gadi, sbalneav: If I log into a thin client as root, I can do so -- but it crashes sshd
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| 11:54 | (I was logging in as root to globally install an openoffice template pack)
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| 11:55 | as long as I don't log into the thin client as root, all appears fine
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| 11:55 | <Gadi> "doctor, it hurts when I do this." "Don't do that."
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| 11:56 | <shawnp0wers> LOL, well yes -- I've stopped doing it
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| 11:56 | still, thought I'd report back. :)
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| 11:57 | it makes me laugh a bit WHY I was logging in as root. See, windows was acting odd, so I couldn't load the VSphere manager for ESX...
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| 11:57 | normally I'd do that on the console
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| 11:57 | (which, I just did, and all seems fine)
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| 12:13 | * stgraber is working on converting LTSP's boot scripts to upstart | |
| 12:14 | <Gadi> stgraber: good - thats why I pulled everything into ltsp-init-common
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| 12:14 | :)
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| 12:14 | * vagrantc just figured that out | |
| 12:14 | <stgraber> I'm actually splitting that from two init scripts to probably 20 or so ;)
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| 12:15 | so we can play with the event-based stuff
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| 12:15 | <Gadi> stgraber: don't delete the initscripts from the branch, tho - other distros will need them
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| 12:15 | * vagrantc waves | |
| 12:15 | <stgraber> ideally, I'd have cdpinger, jetpipe, sane, ... to start only when the device is actually plugged in
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| 12:15 | <stgraber> vagrantc: Is it still in the plans for the next Debian release to move to upstart ?
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| 12:16 | <vagrantc> i moved cdpinger to start from udev
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| 12:16 | or does upstart take over udev?
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| 12:16 | stgraber: looks like it's finally out of experimental
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| 12:17 | <stgraber> udev can send some events to upstart, then we can start stuff from there
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| 12:17 | <vagrantc> stgraber: i outsource all my future technology awareness to johnny
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| 12:17 | <stgraber> or keep them in udev
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| 12:18 | <vagrantc> there's been significant work on new non-upstart stuff, though last i heard, upstart wasn't totally out of the question
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| 12:18 | <johnny> that sucks :(
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| 12:18 | would be nice if debian would just go wit upstart..
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| 12:18 | <vagrantc> stgraber: pere would be the one to ask
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| 12:18 | <johnny> then we'd have 4 major distros using it
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| 12:18 | <vagrantc> johnny: ubuntu, fedora and .. ?
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| 12:19 | <johnny> mandriva
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| 12:19 | <vagrantc> that's a major distro?
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| 12:19 | <johnny> oh wait.. maybe that's plymouth they are switching to only.. ..
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| 12:19 | well.. they were one.. :)
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| 12:21 | <vagrantc> well, if it's any consolation, the same "upstream" version of upstart is in debian squeeze/testing as was in ubuntu karmic
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| 12:21 | but i don't think it's the default
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| 12:21 | not yet ported to GNU/kFreeBSD, though
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| 12:35 | <Gadi> stgraber: you may get a big performance hit if you break it into 20 upstart scripts, each of which sources lts.conf
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| 12:35 | it may be better to group them into tasks with common dependencies
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| 12:36 | <johnny> wouldn't it be better to reuse/subclass more stuff instead?
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| 12:38 | <stgraber> Gadi: I'm basically splitting it so things that can be triggered by an event will be and some others will only start once ldm is started
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| 12:38 | <Gadi> but, you will keep all functions in ltsp-init-common, yeah?
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| 12:39 | <stgraber> Gadi: I'll try to only parse lts.conf (and the ltsp-cluster equivalent) once and then send event based on that. Other scripts will just wait for that event + some other condition to be triggered
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| 12:39 | for most of them, yes, that'll be using the functions from ltsp-init-common
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| 12:39 | some may be done a bit differently
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| 12:40 | anyway, I don't plan on breaking upstream soon, that's my goal for lucid, so I have a bit of time here ;)
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| 12:44 | <CAN-o-SPAM> hehe
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| 12:44 | good goals :)
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| 12:45 | <stgraber> Ubuntu's goal is to get a netbook booting in 10s, I think that I can probably get half of that for LTSP on the same hardware
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| 12:46 | (I currently have a X server started in 5s on an atom)
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| 12:51 | <CAN-o-SPAM> wow very nice stgraber
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| 12:52 | <Gadi> of course,his Xserver is a pre-recorded animation pasted to the framebuffer... ;)
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| 12:56 | <CAN-o-SPAM> whatever works ?
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| 12:57 | heh
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| 12:57 | <stgraber> Gadi: my X server at the moment is just a white root window ;) so I probably could do that with the fb driver instead to cheat a bit
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| 13:25 | <MaRX-Mode> hmm.. still prob with nfs mount. does this client run dhcp wen built from scratch or should it also be turned on ?
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| 13:27 | <johnny> uhmm.. sure
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| 13:27 | you need a dhcp server somewhere
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| 13:27 | and tell it to use nfs stuff
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| 13:27 | <MaRX-Mode> do have it
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| 13:27 | <johnny> does it tell servesr the proper boot info and the nfs path?
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| 13:27 | <MaRX-Mode> pasting here allowed ?
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| 13:27 | <johnny> no
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| 13:27 | pastebin
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| 13:27 | i don't really have much time tho
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| 13:27 | i'm pretty busy
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| 13:28 | <MaRX-Mode> k, you continue though and we check it later on =)
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| 13:28 | i think dhcp server works well, client is still the prob
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| 13:28 | already able to boot it up with pxe
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| 14:15 | <vagrantc> well, installing upstart didn't break the ltsp client on lenny...
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| 14:16 | er, squeeze
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| 14:30 | oh, also, using nbd-client's initramfs hooks, networking doesn't break nbd either.
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| 14:40 | <johnny> alkisg, http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/2009/11/youtube-and-html5.html
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| 14:44 | <alkisg> johnny: yup, I've seen it, on my Ubuntu it works with chromium but not with firefox
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| 14:44 | <johnny> that's exactly what it says
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| 14:44 | it's a codec thing it seems
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| 14:45 | <alkisg> Yeah... and unfortunately not all videos are accessible through that URL
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| 14:45 | (http://www.youtube.com/html5)
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| 14:45 | <johnny> not yet..
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| 14:46 | <alkisg> I don't know... I'm not too optimistic about this
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| 14:46 | Flash gives greater control, e.g. you can overlay an ad over a video, I don't know if html5 supports this
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| 14:46 | <johnny> pretty sure you can
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| 14:46 | <alkisg> So I'm not sure that youtube will switch to html5 videos any time in the future at all...
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| 14:46 | <johnny> i know gstreamer itself supports it
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| 14:47 | i've done it with fluendo streaming media server
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| 14:47 | also .. btw.. i found a fast running canvas game
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| 14:47 | so you were wrong there too :)
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| 14:47 | <alkisg> Heh
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| 14:47 | Which one?
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| 14:47 | <johnny> i was at the store when looking ati t
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| 14:47 | i'll have to refind it
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| 14:48 | perhaps when my headache and sore throat go away
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| 14:48 | thinking about laying down for a bit
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| 14:49 | <alkisg> Sure np... I still don't think canvas is any match for flash, for games. I hope I'm wrong, but... anyway we'll see :)
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| 15:00 | <Cristina1> hi there!
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| 15:00 | is anyone able to open http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream?
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| 15:03 | <Brian_H> nope
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| 15:03 | 4. Error type: 404
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| 15:04 | http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 15:04 | can get to that though :)
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| 15:05 | <sbalneav> Cristina1
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| 15:05 | !docs
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| 15:05 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 15:05 | <sbalneav> it's moved.
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| 15:07 | <Cristina1> thanks! :D
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| 15:10 | turns out that I'm trying to solve an NFS problem, and doing some research on google, I found a link to:
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| 15:10 | http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS#NFS_Server_not_responding
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| 15:10 | which might be very helpful for what I'm trying to do, but I can not get to it
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| 15:12 | <sbalneav> It probably hasn't been moved over yet.
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| 15:13 | Our wiki crashed a few weeks ago, and we've been slowly moving pages over a few at a time.
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| 15:13 | Look at the cached copy in google :)
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| 15:21 | <Cristina1> thanks, didn't have any luck though :(
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| 15:37 | <Cristina1> sbalneav: how long do u think it will take until all the pages are moved?
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| 15:43 | <sbalneav> Cristina1: no idea.
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| 15:43 | "as time permits" :)
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| 15:44 | I know jammcq does a few pages per day.
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| 15:44 | Rather than wait for the page, why not just describe your problem, and we'll see if we can help you with it?
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| 15:46 | <Cristina1> thanks! So this is my problem... I'm working with git kernel 2.6.29 on leopard board. I'm using NFS as file system
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| 15:47 | but every once in a while I lose connectivity, getting: nfs: server 10.251.101.7 not responding, still trying
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| 15:49 | <Cristina1> so I've been dealing with this problem for several weeks now
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| 15:51 | <Cristina1> haven't been able to find how to solve it
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| 15:56 | <sbalneav> Is the server, in fact, still responding? I.e. can other boxes mount it?
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| 15:57 | <Cristina1> yes it is,
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| 15:57 | <Cristina1> it just stops working after a while
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| 15:58 | which is pretty much random, since it does not follow any patterns
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| 15:59 | <sbalneav> So it's the client that's losing it's connection, not the server?
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| 16:00 | What kinds of switch are the client and server connected with? Is it a smart switch? We've seen smart switches in the past decide to stop passing UDP traffic.
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| 16:00 | You may be able to solve it by doing TCP NFS mounts.
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| 16:02 | <Cristina1> no it is not a smart switch
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| 16:02 | I've tried the same using another version of the kernel> 2.6.18
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| 16:02 | and I do not have this NFS issues with it
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| 16:05 | <sbalneav> ok, so then clearly, the problem exists with the 2.6.29 kernel.
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| 16:06 | <Cristina1> yes, so I believe it must be something with the nfs driver
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| 16:06 | <sbalneav> If you're using a git version of the kernel, and compiling it yourself, you're well into "You're on your own" territory. :)
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| 16:07 | Solution would be to use either a distro supported kernel, or file bugs directly with LKML
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| 16:08 | <Cristina1> yeah... git version for me!! thing is I have got to use it since there's a camera driver for this kernel I really need to use
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| 16:08 | <Cristina1> so I am forced to fix this
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| 16:10 | <sbalneav> Well, this clearly isn't an LTSP problem, so in that case, LKML's your best bet.
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| 16:26 | <Cristina1> yeah, thought it might be helpful for me to see that page I posted at the beginning
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| 16:30 | <alkisg> Cristina1: http://web.archive.org/web/20080507005104/http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS
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