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Channel log from 23 August 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:26 | <mystafa> hi4all!
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| 00:27 | <sn9_> 10x
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| 00:27 | <mystafa> i'am trying to connect printer to the client... when i plug it into server, client see it and print's, but when i unplug it and set it into client it's not working..
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| 00:28 | <sn9_> right
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| 00:28 | <mystafa> can anyone help me to configurate it?
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| 00:28 | client support's installing a new printer? or i must install it on a server first>
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| 00:28 | ?
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| 00:29 | <sn9_> are you sure it's worth it? a printer on the server is considerably easier
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| 00:29 | <mystafa> i see.. but i want to setup it at the client
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| 00:30 | but when i plug it on client, it doesn't see
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| 00:30 | lts.conf is configured
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| 00:32 | oh...someone help me ;-)
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| 00:35 | <LaserJock> haha, it's funny to start up an app on the thin client and see my laptop CPU respond
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| 00:36 | <monteslu> mystafa, which OS, version, etc ?
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| 00:37 | <mystafa> monteslu debian 4, ltsp 5
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| 00:37 | <monteslu> this probably still is valid: http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/ltsp-client.html
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| 00:38 | look at the printer variables for a specific client
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| 00:38 | <mystafa> monteslu i read it ;-)
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| 00:38 | <monteslu> then using the cups admin tool, add the printer to that clients IP
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| 00:38 | <mystafa> monteslu don't working...
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| 00:38 | <monteslu> how do you have the printer defined on the server?
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| 00:38 | <mystafa> monteslu should i setup printer at server first?
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| 00:39 | monteslu on the server it works
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| 00:39 | <monteslu> it needs to be setup on the server as a printer connected to a print server
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| 00:39 | the client becomes the print server
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| 00:40 | <mystafa> hmm... i must setup at the server first, right?
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| 00:40 | <monteslu> well, both :)
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| 00:40 | don't need to plug it into the server though
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| 00:40 | you've already proven you have right driver and it can print
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| 00:41 | <mystafa> argh... but when i plug it in to a client, server doesn't see it, and dmesg says nothing
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| 00:41 | <monteslu> right, becuase it isn't part of the server's hardware
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| 00:41 | <mystafa> yes..
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| 00:41 | and escape?
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| 00:42 | <monteslu> where are you checking dmesg ?
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| 00:42 | <mystafa> on the client and on the server
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| 00:43 | <monteslu> when you define the printer on the server are you selecting the networking/tcp ip type of printer?
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| 00:43 | <mystafa> no
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| 00:43 | as a local
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| 00:43 | <monteslu> you need to, it's not local
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| 00:44 | <mystafa> ok...
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| 00:44 | <monteslu> the server is local, the thin client is remote
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| 00:44 | <mystafa> but!
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| 00:44 | <monteslu> it takes some getting used to :)
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| 00:44 | <mystafa> can i setup it without plugging printer to the server? can i?
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| 00:44 | <monteslu> yup
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| 00:45 | <mystafa> but client doesn't see it ;-) and /dev/usb/lp0 not created
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| 00:45 | and server doesn't see it
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| 00:45 | when i plug printer to the client
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| 00:45 | <monteslu> are you running a SCREEN_8=shell or simlilar so that you're actually on the client's command line?
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| 00:46 | if you pull up a console from within X, you are still on the server
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| 00:46 | even though you're typing on the client
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| 00:46 | <mystafa> no... in lts.conf i don't write any SCREEN's options
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| 00:46 | <monteslu> ok, now we're getting somewhere
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| 00:47 | <mystafa> ?
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| 00:47 | <monteslu> when you log in from a thin client and pull up a command line, you're actually on the server
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| 00:47 | <mystafa> should i write to the lst.conf SCREEN_8=shell?
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| 00:48 | <monteslu> wait, lemme double check that syntax
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| 00:48 | <mystafa> ok
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| 00:48 | <monteslu> SCREEN_08=shell
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| 00:48 | do that for that client
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| 00:48 | <mystafa> i must put it in to lts.conf?
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| 00:48 | <monteslu> yup
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| 00:48 | <mystafa> ok...will try
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| 00:49 | <monteslu> restart the client after your done
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| 00:49 | <mystafa> ok.
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| 00:49 | i have a one question - for what it?
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| 00:50 | <monteslu> it should come back up looking normal, but then you'll be able to use ctrl-alt-f8 to actually be on the client's OS
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| 00:50 | if you just log in graphically everything you see is coming from the server
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| 00:51 | you can also use ctrl-alt-f7 to get back to the graphical log in
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| 00:51 | * mystafa rebooting the client | |
| 00:52 | <mystafa> wah... now i can't login in console ;-)
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| 00:52 | <monteslu> and I'm not sure /dev/usb/lp0 will be the right one, it might be something like /dev/usblp0
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| 00:52 | <mystafa> i think about it
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| 00:52 | <monteslu> well, I'm going off what I know about edubuntu, some things could be slighlty different
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| 00:53 | you can always undo the change to lts.conf and reboot the thin client
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| 00:53 | <mystafa> monteslu i'am connected as root in console
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| 00:53 | tty8
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| 00:53 | <monteslu> good
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| 00:53 | <mystafa> what should i do now?
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| 00:53 | try to install?
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| 00:53 | <monteslu> well, no you're actually on the client, check if the printer device is there
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| 00:54 | s/no/now
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| 00:54 | <mystafa> ok..
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| 00:54 | <monteslu> and you can check dmesg too
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| 00:55 | <mystafa> connected
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| 00:55 | <mystafa> as devlp0
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| 00:55 | as you say
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| 00:55 | not as /dev/usb/lp0 ;-)
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| 00:55 | what should i do now?
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| 00:55 | startx and configured it?
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| 00:55 | <monteslu> fix that in lts.conf
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| 00:56 | <mystafa> ok
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| 00:56 | khm.. but i have it in /dev/usb/lp0 =)))
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| 00:57 | <monteslu> then reboot the client, then add the printer as a network printer, and print
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| 00:57 | <mystafa> ok.. i will try
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| 00:58 | i have another one question
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| 00:58 | when i write SCREEN_8=shell
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| 00:58 | <monteslu> well, I'm not sure of the the actual /dev entry, that stuff seems to be different in different distos and kernel versions
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| 00:58 | <mystafa> i can't login
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| 00:58 | should i write SCREEN_0=startx>
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| 00:58 | ?
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| 00:59 | <monteslu> maybe SCREEN_07=ldm
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| 00:59 | <mystafa> ok..
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| 00:59 | but why i can't login on the console?
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| 00:59 | <monteslu> that stuff could be different between distros
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| 00:59 | <mystafa> by the root, and by the user
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| 00:59 | <monteslu> becuase its just the OS on the thin client
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| 00:59 | <mystafa> ok..
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| 01:00 | <monteslu> its just used to connect to the server
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| 01:00 | <mystafa> trying to reboot
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| 01:00 | <monteslu> the printing stuff should probably be better documented :)
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| 01:00 | <mystafa> yeah ;-)
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| 01:01 | i will write a wiki ;-) on russian ;-)
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| 01:01 | <monteslu> do english too!
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| 01:02 | <mystafa> ok! ;-)
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| 01:03 | <sn9_> i could help with the русским переводом, if you'd like
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| 01:04 | <mystafa> gnome-cups-manager doesn't see it :(
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| 01:04 | <monteslu> mystafa, you sure you selected network printer?
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| 01:04 | <sn9_> can't read that -- it's not utf-8
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| 01:04 | <mystafa> monteslu i don't choose anything write now... i think that cups must see it as local, no?
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| 01:05 | sn_9 a tak budet lu4she? ;-)
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| 01:05 | <sn9_> [Wed 22 Aug 2007 10:59:58 PM PDT] ! <mystafa> sn9_ ñïàñèáî (-:
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| 01:05 | that's what i saw
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| 01:05 | <mystafa> monteslu ok..i will choose network now
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| 01:06 | <sn9_> and i hate volapük encoding
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| 01:06 | <mystafa> monteslu choose cups or HP? i have a np1020
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| 01:06 | sorry hp1020
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| 01:07 | <monteslu> the driver should be the same that you used when you had it connected to the server
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| 01:07 | did you get to the screen that asked you for the printer's IP ?
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| 01:07 | <mystafa> monteslu a host? yes i have it... should i write IP of client?
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| 01:08 | <monteslu> yup
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| 01:08 | does it have a port number listed?
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| 01:08 | <mystafa> yeah... 9100
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| 01:08 | <monteslu> perfect
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| 01:09 | <mystafa> doesn't print :(
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| 01:11 | <monteslu> mystafa, probably something about the device setup in lts.conf
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| 01:11 | you may need to wait for the debian expert to get here
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| 01:11 | or switch to edubuntu
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| 01:11 | <mystafa> should i setup printer as CUPS(IPP)?
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| 01:11 | i set up it as HP
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| 01:12 | <monteslu> no, the thin clients just use tcp/ip like a regular print server
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| 01:13 | I can't remeber the name of the guy doing the debian work, but ask maybe ogra or sbalneav or jammcq
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| 01:14 | <mystafa> monteslu ok... thank you!
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| 01:14 | <monteslu> wish I could help more
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| 01:14 | <mystafa> very very much ;)
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| 01:14 | <monteslu> lemme know if you get it working, I'm always in here
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| 01:14 | <mystafa> monteslu ok!
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| 02:32 | <ogra> sn9_, hey ...the current squashfs image in gutsy is currently 148M big how small do you need it (we simply dont focus on diskspace but it should be easy to cut down by just removing stuff from the chroot and updating the image)
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| 02:38 | <sn9_> if you could get it that size without compression, that would be something
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| 02:38 | resorting to unionfs is quite kludgy
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| 02:42 | <ogra> well
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| 02:43 | getting a usable ubuntu commandline system will at least need 80-100M uncompressed
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| 02:43 | and bewfore you moan, recent debians are not smaller either :)
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| 02:44 | <sn9_> an ltsp client system does not need to be usable beyond being able to use the ltsp client
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| 02:44 | <ogra> (and i doubt you would get a redhat in a smaller footprint with recent versions of the packages)
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| 02:44 | <sn9_> X -query, and the like
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| 02:44 | <ogra> well, we rely on the hardware detection and autofonfiguration features of the distro with ltsp5
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| 02:45 | so all tools to do that need to be around
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| 02:45 | we also want a 100% upgradeable client setup, so not using standard packages is a big nono
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| 02:46 | security upgrades etc need to be possible
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| 02:46 | <sn9_> the server can be told what hardware the clients have. autodiscovery is nice, but not crucial
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| 02:46 | <ogra> that indeed pushes the requirements
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| 02:46 | <sn9_> standard packages are a must, i agree
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| 02:46 | <ogra> well, after all its only diskspace
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| 02:46 | <sn9_> just not as many of them
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| 02:47 | <ogra> you are the first person i see in my 2.5 years of ltsp development i do now thats complaining about that
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| 02:47 | so its notr a common thing ;)
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| 02:47 | but solvable easily ...
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| 02:47 | <mystafa> ogra!!
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| 02:48 | ;) i'am so glad to see ya
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| 02:48 | <mystafa> can you help me to plug ma printer to the client (debian 4.0 + ltsp 5)
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| 02:48 | ?
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| 02:49 | <ogra> sn9_, pull a tarball and just drop everything you dont need and thats not kept in by a dependency ... the amount of time you will invest wont be higher than building LBE
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| 02:49 | <sn9_> i will see how small i'll be able to make T2
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| 02:49 | T2 looks like it might be a suitable LBE replacement
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| 02:49 | <ogra> and i'd really suggest to take a look at the squashfs solution
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| 02:50 | it saves you 30-50% space
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| 02:50 | and acts about twoce as fast as nfs in the current implementation we use in the recent ltsp
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| 02:50 | *twice
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| 02:50 | <sn9_> i considered it even before i knew i couldn't still use LBE
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| 02:51 | <ogra> mystafa, you should only need to add PRINTER_0_DEVICE=<your_printer_device_here> to your lts.conf that should suffice
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| 02:51 | <sn9_> the squashfs would still be exported over nfs, no?
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| 02:51 | <ogra> no
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| 02:51 | we use nbd
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| 02:51 | <sn9_> nbd?
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| 02:52 | <ogra> we used nbd since over a year for swapping and didnt see any stability issues yet, so the squashfs uses that as well
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| 02:52 | one less port you need open on the server :)
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| 02:52 | nbd == network block devices
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| 02:52 | <sn9_> oh
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| 02:53 | <ogra> its bad for failover setups though since its not stateless ... so we kept the option to easily switch back to nfs
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| 02:53 | <sn9_> that changes everything
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| 02:53 | <ogra> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWithoutNFS
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| 02:54 | <sn9_> of course, squashfs isn't upgradeable, either
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| 02:55 | <mystafa> ogra i interested how setup printer after plugging... cause in console, at the client i see it, and have a /dev/usb/lp0... but what next? do - localhost:631?
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| 02:55 | <ogra> that should be /dev/usblp0 not /dev/usb/lp0 (in the lts.conf at least)
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| 02:56 | sn9_, ltsp-update-image does that for us
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| 02:56 | <sn9_> wonderful
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| 02:56 | <mystafa> ogra ok...i will set it. but what i need do next?
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| 02:56 | <ogra> sn9_, atm we still keep the client chroot in /opt/ltsp/i386 ...
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| 02:57 | <sn9_> and is all this possible with feisty, too? or is gutsy required?
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| 02:57 | <ogra> so we can do changes in tehre and quickly rebuild the image from it
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| 02:57 | <mystafa> ogra must i set in the lts.conf module = usblp?
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| 02:57 | <ogra> thats gutsy only
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| 02:57 | <sn9_> :(
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| 02:57 | <ogra> the changes are to massive to quickly backport then
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| 02:57 | *them
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| 02:57 | mystafa, thats ltsp5 ?
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| 02:57 | <mystafa> yeah
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| 02:58 | <sn9_> but you said nbd was there for a year
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| 02:58 | <ogra> you shouldnt need to do anything beyond setting the device in lts.conf to /dev/usblp0
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| 02:58 | <mystafa> only /dev/usblp0? and what about PRINTER_0_TYPE = U?
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| 02:58 | <ogra> that will export the printer via jetdirect to port 9100 of the thin client
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| 02:58 | <mystafa> great..
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| 02:58 | <ogra> you dont need TYPE ...
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| 02:58 | <mystafa> goood
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| 02:58 | and go to the browser set up by CUPS?
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| 02:59 | <ogra> in your user session, open the tool to configure printers and add a new one ... püoint to the IP of the client (you should see that in the bottom right corner in the login manager) and yoiu should be fine
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| 03:00 | <mystafa> ogra thank you very much! i will try it now
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| 03:00 | IP:9100?
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| 03:00 | <ogra> i'm working on some hal integration for printers for the next release ... then you wont have to do anything but plug it in dsuring a session and it will get autoconfigured
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| 03:00 | yeah, <IP>:9100
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| 03:01 | i think thin client hal integration will be my big project for gutsy+1 :)
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| 03:09 | <mystafa> ogra when i'am running gnome-cups-manager... it says to choose: cups(ipp),windows(smb),unix(lpd) or HPjetdirect... i should choose CUPS?
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| 03:10 | <ogra> "<ogra> that will export the printer via jetdirect to port 9100 of the thin client"
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| 03:11 | <mystafa> and? ;-) what choose?
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| 03:11 | <ogra> read my sentence again ?
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| 03:11 | find the matching words ....
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| 03:11 | <mystafa> ok... hpjetdirect? ;-)
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| 03:11 | ok ok ;)
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| 03:11 | <ogra> yeah ;)
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| 03:13 | <mystafa> msut i reboot the client?
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| 03:13 | must*
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| 03:13 | <ogra> no
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| 03:13 | you should be able to print a testpage from gnome-cups-manager
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| 03:15 | <mystafa> ogra nothing at all :( he says that testpage is sended, and that's all
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| 03:16 | <ogra> the IP is the right one ?
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| 03:16 | and you picked the right printer driver ?
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| 03:16 | <mystafa> yes. ip-adress of client. yeah..
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| 03:17 | <ogra> did you reboot the client since you added the lts.conf entry ?
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| 03:17 | <mystafa> i downloaded it from official site... debian have some problems with hp1020
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| 03:17 | yeah
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| 03:17 | <ogra> for reading that a reboot is needed ...
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| 03:17 | <mystafa> i will say what i have in lts.conf
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| 03:17 | <ogra> !pastebot
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| 03:17 | <ltspbot_> ogra: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 03:19 | <ltsppbot> "mystafa" pasted "LOCAL_APPS = Y SCREEN_8 = shel" (1 line) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/285
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| 03:19 | <mystafa> agrh
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| 03:20 | not all ;)
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| 03:20 | SCREEN_7 = startx MODULE_02 = "usb-storage" MODULE_03 = "sd_mod" LOCALDEV = Y PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/usblp0
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| 03:28 | may be i must set SCREEN_7=shell for printing?
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| 03:28 | it's says here http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/ltsp-client.html
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| 03:36 | <ogra> no
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| 03:37 | as the comment says, its for a headless printserver
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| 03:37 | (SCREEN_07=shell will keep X from starting)
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| 03:38 | <mystafa> i can not remove this line in my conf?
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| 03:38 | <ogra> btw, localdev isnt supported if you use insecure stuff like SCREEN_07=startx
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| 03:39 | <ogra> you dont need to load usb-storage and sd_mod, udev will care for that
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| 03:39 | <mystafa> i see it now ;-) what should i do? set SCREEN_05=startx?
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| 03:39 | ok
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| 03:39 | <ogra> nothing
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| 03:39 | dont use startx at all
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| 03:39 | <mystafa> in that way i can't startx
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| 03:39 | <ogra> ldm will start
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| 03:39 | which is our default display manager
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| 03:40 | startx will use XDMCP ... which means passwords go in cleartwxt through xyour network ... even my mother could sniff them for there with a 10 minute intorduction
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| 03:40 | <mystafa> ok.. what we have at the end? LOCAL_APPS = Y SCREEN_8 = shell LOCALDEV = Y PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/usblp0
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| 03:41 | <ogra> btw, your lts.conf has no liebreaks ?
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| 03:41 | *linebraks
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| 03:41 | <mystafa> have
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| 03:41 | it has it
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| 03:41 | <ogra> ok
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| 03:41 | <mystafa> it's not normal?
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| 03:42 | erase it?
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| 03:42 | <ogra> no
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| 03:42 | <mystafa> emm...
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| 03:42 | <ogra> but you paste oit without linebreaks all the time, that made me wionder
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| 03:42 | <mystafa> stop ;)
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| 03:42 | i have linebreaks ;)
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| 03:42 | <ogra> it needs a [default] section as well (above the variables)
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| 03:42 | <mystafa> it have it
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| 03:43 | i will remove linebreaks
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| 03:43 | <ogra> only leave PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/usblp0
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| 03:43 | no!
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| 03:43 | <mystafa> ok...
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| 03:43 | <ogra> dont remove linebreaks, its fine
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| 03:43 | <mystafa> ok
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| 03:43 | <ogra> just wipe all the other stuff
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| 03:43 | <mystafa> but what about #comments?
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| 03:44 | can i leave it?
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| 03:44 | <ogra> LOCALDEV should default to True anyway, LOCAL_APPS isnt supported at all ... the ODULE liens are moot since udev cares ... the only line thats really useful in your file is the PRINTER_0_DEVICE
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| 03:44 | sure
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| 03:44 | comments are fine
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| 03:44 | <mystafa> ok...will try now
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| 03:45 | lts.conf is set an root:root it's normal?
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| 03:46 | <ogra> yup
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| 03:46 | * mystafa rebootinf the client | |
| 03:46 | <mystafa> *rebooting (-:
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| 03:48 | now i don't have a console
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| 03:48 | only X at starting
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| 03:49 | but LOCALDEV is really working ;)
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| 03:50 | * mystafa trying to print | |
| 03:50 | <ogra> you can set SCREEN_02=shell
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| 03:50 | <mystafa> ok
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| 03:50 | <ogra> that will ive you a shell on second console
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| 03:50 | <mystafa> printing not working at all :(
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| 03:51 | <ogra> is that a plain etch, or did you build from the backported packages ?
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| 03:51 | <mystafa> lstp-buid-client from backport
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| 03:51 | <ogra> could be that the original etch packages didnt have the jetpipe printer tool included
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| 03:51 | it should be there then
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| 03:52 | <mystafa> may be i have some net problems? with access to this port?
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| 03:52 | <ogra> ls /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin/jetpipe
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| 03:52 | does that return anything ?
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| 03:52 | <mystafa> one sex pls
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| 03:52 | wah ;)
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| 03:52 | <ogra> heh
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| 03:52 | <mystafa> sec*
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| 03:52 | ;))
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| 03:53 | return this line
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| 03:56 | ypu know... when i set SCREEN_2=shell the X don't start
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| 03:57 | <ogra> thats a debian bug then ... it should start
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| 03:57 | <mystafa> ok..
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| 03:58 | <ogra> try to set: SCREEN_02=shell and SCREEN_07=ldm then
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| 03:58 | <mystafa> what i should do with printing? it's not working yet :(
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| 03:58 | ok
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| 03:58 | <ogra> one piece at a time :)
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| 03:58 | <mystafa> ;-)))
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| 03:58 | ok
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| 03:58 | <ogra> lets see that we get you proper X and shell access
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| 03:58 | the lets debug ;)
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| 03:59 | <mystafa> oh ;-)
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| 03:59 | you know... i think that i know where problem
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| 04:00 | you see...when i'am going as root on the client,i have SOUND,when a login as client sound is off
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| 04:00 | i think that problem it rights
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| 04:00 | on some files or conf
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| 04:01 | what do you think?
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| 04:01 | <ogra> one piece at a time :)
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| 04:01 | <mystafa> ok ;-)
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| 04:01 | * mystafa booting with new lts.conf | |
| 04:01 | <ogra> good
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| 04:02 | <mystafa> X is started... but i have some problems with console
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| 04:03 | it logins as root, but when you say any command, it's think that i'am trying tot log in
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| 04:04 | <ogra> weird
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| 04:04 | <mystafa> ;-)
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| 04:04 | <ogra> ok, other approach ... remove both SCREEN_XX lines again
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| 04:04 | <mystafa> ok
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| 04:05 | <ogra> then issue the following (as root on the server):
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| 04:05 | chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd
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| 04:05 | <mystafa> one sec
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| 04:05 | <ogra> that will set a rootpw in the thin client
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| 04:05 | <mystafa> must i reboot the client? i reboot it now ;)
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| 04:05 | <ogra> then reboot the client, tty1 should have a login prompt ...
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| 04:06 | there log in as root with the password you just set
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| 04:06 | * mystafa set new passwd and rebooting | |
| 04:06 | <mystafa> it's started X ;)
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| 04:07 | to which tty i should go?
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| 04:07 | one ;-)
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| 04:07 | i see
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| 04:07 | sorry ;)
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| 04:07 | logged!!
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| 04:07 | what next?
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| 04:08 | <ogra> ps ax|grep jetpipe
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| 04:09 | see if jetpipe runs at all for the printer
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| 04:10 | <mystafa> yes..
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| 04:10 | <ogra> its running ?
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| 04:10 | <mystafa> it says /dev/usblp0 9100
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| 04:10 | <ogra> great
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| 04:10 | <mystafa> i think so ;)
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| 04:10 | <ogra> so the client side is fine then
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| 04:10 | <mystafa> wooh
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| 04:10 | ;-)
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| 04:11 | <ogra> if you run ifconfig, does the IP match what you have set in gnome-cups-manager ?
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| 04:11 | <mystafa> yes
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| 04:11 | address is right
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| 04:11 | <ogra> hmm, then it must be the driver
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| 04:11 | the transport seems to be fine all over
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| 04:11 | <mystafa> must i'll try to log in as a user and try to print?
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| 04:12 | <ogra> from a desktop session, yes
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| 04:12 | <mystafa> ok
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| 04:12 | may be reinstall printer
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| 04:12 | ?
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| 04:12 | <ogra> you can try that, not sure about the debian setup for HP printers, in ubuntu it "just works" :)
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| 04:13 | <ogra> probably you need hplip installed on the server to have the right drivers around
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| 04:13 | thats something ubuntu has by default
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| 04:14 | <mystafa> not working...
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| 04:14 | mmm..
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| 04:14 | you know
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| 04:14 | i reinstall the firmware on the server
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| 04:14 | and it's works
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| 04:14 | but not do this on client
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| 04:14 | should i?
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| 04:15 | <ogra> yeah, install it in the chroot
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| 04:15 | <mystafa> the default firmware has a bug... and ubuntu has it too ;)
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| 04:15 | <ogra> chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 (as root)
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| 04:15 | <mystafa> mmm
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| 04:15 | <ogra> then install what you want ...
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| 04:15 | if you are done, hit ctrl-d
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| 04:15 | <mystafa> ok!
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| 04:16 | <ogra> thats the way to modify your thin client install
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| 04:18 | <mystafa> chroot takes me to the client side, right?
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| 04:18 | i can give this command from server,yes?
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| 04:20 | * mystafa says `yes` ;-) | |
| 04:25 | <ogra> yeah
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| 04:25 | you need to run it on the server
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| 04:26 | all you will have on a booted client is readonly or tmpfs, it will vanish on next reboot :)
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| 04:31 | <mystafa> ogra hm.. i can't do `apt-cdrom add` at the client
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| 04:32 | it says that can't mount.. but it mount it. i can see cd-rom at the desktop
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| 04:32 | <ogra> weird, works here
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| 04:32 | you probably need to mount /proc in the chroot
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| 04:32 | (and unmount it again before you exit it)
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| 04:34 | <mystafa> with which options i must mount it?
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| 04:35 | <ogra> mount -t proc proc /proc
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| 04:35 | and later umount /proc (dont forget that before hitting ctrl-d)
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| 04:36 | <mystafa> ok
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| 04:36 | * ogra goes afk for a while | |
| 04:37 | <mystafa> ogra thank you very much!
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| 04:52 | <mystafa> how i can copy all stuff which i have on a server to the client? i can't compile sources ;-)
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| 05:32 | <mystafa> hm... how i can mount cdrom at the client? i see it in a desctop, but not see in /media
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| 05:32 | and /etc/fstab is clear
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| 05:32 | what should i do?
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| 05:38 | <Envite> Hola a todos desde España
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| 05:38 | <mystafa> Hola!
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| 05:38 | (-^
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| 05:43 | <Envite> Hola :)
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| 05:47 | <mystafa> mounting of /proc doesn't help
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| 06:17 | <mystafa> anybody here?
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| 06:19 | oh :(
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| 07:01 | <jakobsg> How can I see who is logged on which clients in LTSP 5
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| 07:02 | Like I could with LTSP 4.2 with the w command
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| 07:02 | <ogra> jakobsg, in ubuntu/edubuntu just use thin-client-manager
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| 07:02 | <jakobsg> ogra, I'm using kubuntu, but I guess it should still work
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| 07:02 | <ogra> sure
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| 07:03 | <jakobsg> Can I see it from the commandline aswell
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| 07:03 | <ogra> (someone pinged me about writing a QT frontend for it for gutsy+1 ;) )
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| 07:03 | <jakobsg> cool
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| 07:04 | <ogra> there is python-tcm (teh backend), that could give you userlists like they appear in the UI ... and you can indeed grep through the processlist for LTSP client and wrap your own scripts around it
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| 07:04 | <jakobsg> Mostly I manage the LTSP server remotely by ssh, it would be nice if there was a w - like command
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| 07:04 | <ogra> *LTSP_CLIENT i meant
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| 07:05 | <jakobsg> yes, I know, just w and last commands are nice to have
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| 07:06 | <ogra> well, ssh doesnt use any ttys for security reasons ... the w command only checks for tty based logins afaik
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| 07:06 | reven though it seems to work fine with the new ldm in gutsy
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| 07:06 | <jakobsg> OK, thanks
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| 07:07 | <ogra> but we changed the login procedure with that so its completely different to feisty ...
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| 07:09 | <jakobsg> OK, that will be interesting. I'm soon gonna be looking at a solution for making usb devices appear on the desktop in kde
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| 07:10 | <ogra> you will need to havk up ltspfsmounter for that i guess
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| 07:10 | *hack
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| 07:10 | i'm working on a proper siolution so KDE can have the same love as gnome gets atm, but that wont be there before gutsy+1
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| 07:10 | <jakobsg> I need to know if there is gonna be any change in the udev/fuse approach used at the moment
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| 07:10 | <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ltspfs-hal-root.png
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| 07:10 | no
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| 07:10 | that part wont change
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| 07:11 | i will change the server sided stuff a lot and create virtual hal devices instead of bind mounting the ltspfs dirs into /media (since KDE and xfce dont monitor /media properly as gnomevfs does)
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| 07:12 | but we wont change udev and ltspfs on the client side
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| 07:12 | <jakobsg> OK, that's nice. Is that a hal approach working
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| 07:12 | <ogra> its only a fake device for ltspfs .. it will become the root device for all ltspfs mounts later
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| 07:13 | <EXP2> i have investigated my problem with invisible mouse pointer. It happens only those machines that have nvidia graphics. there is a possible solution to that by making a custom xorg.conf to those clients, but how can i do it?
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| 07:13 | <ogra> EXP2, thats ubuntu or debian ?
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| 07:14 | note that in ubuntu the restricted modules arent installed, it could be that the binary nvidia driver works better there
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| 07:14 | <EXP2> ubuntu 6.06/4.2 and 7.04/5 both have same problem
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| 07:14 | <ogra> you would need to install linux-rerstricted-modules in the chroot and add XSERVER=nvidia to your lts.conf
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| 07:15 | but note, the restricted modules mount a tmpfs that will eat 15M of your ram (teh reason why we dont have it in teh default client install)
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| 07:15 | <EXP2> ok
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| 08:01 | <klausade> can I use a ltsp5 client as printserver like with ltsp4.2?
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| 08:01 | <ogra> sure
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| 08:02 | even with less hassle sinc eyou only need PRINTER_X_DEVICE
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| 08:02 | no additional options required
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| 08:04 | <klausade> ogra: so I only need PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 for my parallell printer, and PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/usblp0 for usb?
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| 08:05 | <ogra> well, if you have both on there, one should be PRINTER_1_DEVICE
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| 08:05 | but yes
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| 08:05 | it should start a jetpipe process for every printer
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| 08:06 | by default the 0 listens at port 9100, 1 listens on 9101 etc etc
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| 08:10 | <monteslu> ogra, any idea why print servring for thin clients has become unreliable in ltsp5 ?
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| 08:11 | <ogra> monteslu, id didnt ?
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| 08:11 | i havent got a single bug open about it and itr works for me, so it cant :)
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| 08:11 | if people file bugs we'll fix them
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| 08:11 | <monteslu> it was rock solid in ltsp4, but the server stops responding after a while in ltsp4
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| 08:12 | <ogra> i dont see such behavior here and havent heard of it yet
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| 08:12 | <monteslu> I thought I was doing something wrong, but just saw a post on the edubuntu list
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| 08:12 | <ogra> if you file a bug we'll look into it ;)
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| 08:12 | <monteslu> I'll help, but there's no docs that I know of on what makes that part work
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| 08:12 | and no logs that i can see to help debug
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| 08:13 | <ogra> s!
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| 08:13 | <monteslu> but I'll definetly file a bug
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| 08:13 | <ogra> monteslu, thanks
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| 08:13 | <sbalneav> Morning everyone!!!!!!
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| 08:13 | Ogra!!
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| 08:13 | <ogra> monteslu, i think sbalneav did some work on jetpipe, but that was related to something else
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| 08:13 | <monteslu> no worries, sorry if it came out condescending about the print system :)
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| 08:13 | <sbalneav> How's it going dude!
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| 08:13 | <monteslu> waddup scott
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| 08:13 | <ogra> sbalneav, you just threw away all my inputattach code, sniff
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| 08:14 | <sbalneav> what?
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| 08:14 | For which?
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| 08:14 | <ogra> it was in the configure_x function of the initscript ... a bit hidden
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| 08:14 | for serial mice
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| 08:14 | <sbalneav> Oh!
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| 08:14 | Well, it wasn't being called, I just figured I'd clean up.
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| 08:14 | <ogra> actually i even think we shouldnt have the MOUSE related stuff in configure-x.sh at all
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| 08:15 | <sbalneav> sorry.
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| 08:15 | <ogra> nah :)
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| 08:15 | my fault, i wanted to move it out of that function since ages :)
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| 08:15 | <sbalneav> I thought all of that had moved to the uber-sexy configure-x.sh
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| 08:15 | Hey, one problem I ran into with configure-x.sh, with the thincan.
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| 08:15 | <ogra> tell me
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| 08:16 | <sbalneav> the Xorg -configure dies on it, which is ok, we can't expect everything to work...
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| 08:16 | but the script hangs at that point on a grep, with nothing but an "aborted" message.
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| 08:16 | <ogra> meh
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| 08:17 | <ogra> btw ...
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| 08:17 | <sbalneav> We should probably wrap the Xorg -conf in a status check, and issue a nice message.
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| 08:17 | <ogra> ogra@laptop:/media/disk-2/isos/edubuntu$ apt-cache search openchrome|grep xserver
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| 08:17 | xserver-xorg-video-openchrome - X.Org X server -- VIA display driver
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| 08:17 | :D
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| 08:17 | for the T1220
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| 08:17 | <monteslu> is jetpipe the server app for print serving ?
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| 08:18 | <ogra> monteslu, jetpipe is just making /dev/lp<something> available on port 9100
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| 08:18 | its about 10 lines of code
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| 08:18 | <monteslu> hmm.. so no loggin then?
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| 08:18 | <ogra> (the license in the code is longer than the program itself ;) )
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| 08:18 | <monteslu> logging rather
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| 08:18 | <ogra> well, its a python script
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| 08:18 | if it dies it should thow out a traceback
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| 08:19 | <monteslu> where does it throw it to?
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| 08:19 | <ogra> you might be able to see it on conmsole on the client while it happens
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| 08:19 | not sure though
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| 08:19 | <sbalneav> Yep, jetpipe's the one.
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| 08:19 | <monteslu> nothing being displayed
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| 08:19 | <ogra> nbeyoind that you can start it manually as well from client console and wait until it dies
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| 08:19 | <monteslu> port 9100 just quits responding
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| 08:20 | cool, I'll try that
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| 08:20 | <ogra> just run it with: jetpipe <device> 9100
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| 08:22 | <monteslu> unfortunately I'm not at the school yet, but will be in about an hour.
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| 08:22 | <sbalneav> ogra: Does most of the cleanup/organizing work I've done seem sane?
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| 08:22 | <ogra> sbalneav, yup, great work
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| 08:23 | <sbalneav> I'm not expecting much to change now, other than bugfixes.
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| 08:23 | <ogra> even though i have linewraps everywhere now :P
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| 08:23 | <sbalneav> You don't like lines to break at 79?
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| 08:23 | * ogra uses to work on a fullscreen terminal window at 1024x768 ... no 80 char width here :) | |
| 08:23 | <monteslu> ogra, do I have to be approved on the group to be able to file a bug?
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| 08:24 | <ogra> sbalneav, i'm joking, thanks for sorting that :)
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| 08:24 | <sbalneav> Oh, you're one of *THOSE* poeple :)
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| 08:24 | <ogra> yeah
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| 08:24 | liewraps are for ipaq users :P
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| 08:24 | <sbalneav> Ooooohhh, them's figtin' words :)
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| 08:24 | err
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| 08:24 | fighting, even
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| 08:25 | <ogra> monteslu, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+filebug doesnt work for you ?
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| 08:25 | <sbalneav> I still got an 80x24 wyse character terminal in my office here. If it won't display on that, it ain't proper code :)
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| 08:26 | hehehe
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| 08:26 | <ogra> heh
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| 08:26 | <monteslu> ogra, there's no link to that page on launchpad
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| 08:26 | <sbalneav> Actually, want to know the VERY FIRST terminal I ever logged into a Unix box on?
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| 08:26 | <ogra> where did you look ?
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| 08:26 | <sbalneav> Decwriter III
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| 08:26 | <ogra> thats a pin printer ?
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| 08:26 | with keyboard ?
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| 08:27 | <sbalneav> http://vt100.net/docs/tp83/chapter14.html
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| 08:27 | yep.
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| 08:27 | hardcopy baby, oh yeah.
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| 08:27 | <monteslu> nevermind, there's already a few bug reports
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| 08:27 | <ogra> whee
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| 08:27 | <monteslu> and a fix on 8/8/2007
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| 08:27 | <ogra> save the trees !
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| 08:27 | <sbalneav> This was '83
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| 08:27 | <ogra> monteslu, bug # ?
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| 08:28 | <monteslu> 130472 110609
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| 08:28 | <ogra> i know sbalneav did some jetpipe fixing, but that didnt seem related
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| 08:30 | you didnt say it dies on the first page
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| 08:30 | <monteslu> only been printing one page at a time :)
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| 08:31 | <ogra> heh, ok
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| 08:31 | i should also have asked for your definition of unreliable ;)
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| 08:31 | try the fix from the bugs and see if it helps
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| 08:32 | the second has some code in it afaik
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| 08:32 | <monteslu> will do.
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| 08:32 | this stuff doesn't cant get added to 7.04 ?
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| 08:34 | <ogra> unlikely
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| 08:34 | will depend on my time
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| 08:34 | which gets less and less with every release
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| 08:37 | <ogra> sbalneav, btw, see that ? http://system76.com/product_info.php?cPath=29&products_id=62
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| 08:37 | <monteslu> ok, replied to the list with the 2 links to launchpad
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| 08:37 | <sbalneav> WOW
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| 08:37 | COOL
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| 08:37 | Edubuntu pre-installed.
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| 08:37 | \o/ for system 76
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| 08:37 | <ogra> someone should tell them to offer a second NIC for the edubuntu option :)
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| 08:37 | <sbalneav> heh
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| 08:38 | <norita> Hi, Ogra, I just wanted to thank you for your help (yesterday you told me about alsa and dsp). Now it works :-)
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| 08:38 | <ogra> now they only need to seel clients as well and we can recommend bundled products to schools ;)
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| 08:38 | <sbalneav> Oooh, one other thing we need to solve as a quick bug...
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| 08:38 | <ogra> norita, \o/
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| 08:38 | <sbalneav> In the ltsp_config script, for setting up the default SERVER variable.
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| 08:39 | <sbalneav> We scan /proc/mounts for nfs, and extract the ip address from there, but that doesn't work for nbd mounts.
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| 08:39 | <ogra> oh, right, thats mdz's old code
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| 08:39 | <sbalneav> so you just end up with the default 0.254 address.
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| 08:39 | <ogra> yeah
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| 08:39 | <sbalneav> Want me to dig into that today?
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| 08:40 | <ogra> i remember he initially used /proc/commandline for it...
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| 08:40 | if you like to :)
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| 08:40 | i'm busy testing
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| 08:40 | <sbalneav> Sure, I'll figure something out.
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| 08:40 | yeah, you concentrate on tr5
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| 08:41 | once that's out of the way, we'll pull in all my stuff, and test the snot out of it.
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| 08:41 | <ogra> well, my amd64 is broken since some time, so i'll only be able to do server and desktop for x86
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| 08:41 | yeah
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| 08:41 | i'll do a big merge on the weekend
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| 08:41 | throw it at the wall and see if it sticks :)
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| 08:43 | <sbalneav> bwahaha
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| 08:56 | <Gadi> ogra: ping
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| 08:57 | <SORMANOV> hello all
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| 08:57 | how much LTSP clients can a 10/100 Ethernet network support ?
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| 08:59 | <sbalneav> !sizing
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| 08:59 | <ltspbot_> sbalneav: Error: "sizing" is not a valid command.
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| 08:59 | <sbalneav> !topics
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| 08:59 | <ltspbot_> sbalneav: "topics" is To get a list of topics, type ltspbot: factoids search --values
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| 08:59 | <sbalneav> ltspbot_: factoids search --values
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| 08:59 | <ltspbot_> sbalneav: 'ltsp', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'wireless', 'sound', 'topics', 'integration', 'lts.conf', 'pastebot', 'bootfloppy', 'ltsp5', 'tarball', 'download', 'monkeys', 'ogra', 'nfs', 'nfsnotresp', 'js', 's', (1 more message)
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| 08:59 | <sbalneav> ah
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| 08:59 | !serversize
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| 08:59 | <ltspbot_> sbalneav: "serversize" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ServerSizing
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| 09:00 | <sbalneav> SORMANOV: see that page, basically, the answer is: it depends.
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| 09:00 | If you're just doing word processing, and a little light web browsing, answer is: a lot.
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| 09:01 | I run 100 meg switches, and I run 40 terminals on them.
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| 09:01 | <Gadi> sbalneav: hey
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| 09:01 | morning
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| 09:01 | <sbalneav> Hey gadi
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| 09:01 | <Guaraldo> morning.
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| 09:01 | <sbalneav> How's it going?
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| 09:01 | <SORMANOV> sbalneav, how much switches ?
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| 09:01 | <Gadi> you wouldn't happen to have a few mins to test something for me, would you?
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| 09:02 | <sbalneav> I could try, but here at work I don't have a gutsy box set up, but I'll do what I can, sure!
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| 09:02 | SORMANOV: I gang together 2 24 port switches.
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| 09:03 | <Gadi> well, I just need an LTSP server (that you can manipulate) and 2 clients (virtual or otherwise)
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| 09:04 | I would like you to set a very small range of IPs in dhcpd.conf for only 2 workstations
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| 09:04 | boot the 2 workstations to a login screen
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| 09:04 | and then cycle the power on one of them and see if it boots
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| 09:04 | <sbalneav> ok, I'll see what I can do.
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| 09:04 | <Gadi> let me know if that is something you can try for me
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| 09:04 | thanks
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| 09:05 | <sbalneav> dhcpd eating leases?
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| 09:05 | <Gadi> well, I am trying to track down a bug that is rearing its head again for me
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| 09:05 | <Gadi> this is on a ltsp4 deployment, but it prolly doesnt matter
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| 09:05 | <sbalneav> ok, I'll pop down to our training room in 5, and run that. You gonna be around for 1/2 hour?
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| 09:06 | <Gadi> the dhcp server sees the first dhcp request as coming from a different client than the second
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| 09:06 | and when the second lease is active, and the client reboots, it wont issue a PXE lease
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| 09:06 | even to the same client
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| 09:06 | --> yes, I'll be here
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| 09:12 | <sbalneav> ok, heading down now.
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| 09:12 | <Gadi> thx, sbalneav
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| 09:19 | <monteslu> beat you by twenty minutes to the list, sbalneav :)
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| 09:19 | ...though you actually did the fix
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| 09:36 | <sbalneav> Gadi: OK, done.
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| 09:36 | Here's what I did:
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| 09:36 | Ubuntu 6.10 server
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| 09:36 | Stock dhcpd.conf, except for range 20-21
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| 09:37 | stopped dhcp server
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| 09:37 | cleaned out /var/lib/dhcp3
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| 09:37 | started server
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| 09:37 | no leases existing
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| 09:37 | turned on two terminals
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| 09:37 | both booted.
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| 09:37 | cycled one, then both.
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| 09:37 | both continued to boot.
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| 09:38 | 3rd terminal couldn't lease an IP.
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| 09:38 | Seems expected behaviour here.
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| 09:38 | <Gadi> and none are specified, right?
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| 09:38 | <sbalneav> right.
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| 09:38 | pure dynamic.
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| 09:38 | <Gadi> can you send me your dhcpd.conf, dhcpd.leases files and the version of dhcp3-server?
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| 09:39 | oh, and is this ltsp4 or 5?
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| 09:39 | <sbalneav> 5
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| 09:39 | <Gadi> ok
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| 09:47 | sbalneav: you have my email addy, ya?
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| 09:48 | <sbalneav> Gimme it again, just in case
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| 09:48 | <Gadi> gadi@ltsp.org
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| 09:48 | <sbalneav> duh
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| 09:48 | <Gadi> ;)
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| 09:49 | <sbalneav> Yesturdae i cuddent evin speel develupir an todae i are 1.
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| 09:50 | <Gadi> lol
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| 09:51 | <chupacabra> lol
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| 09:51 | <ogra> :)
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| 10:10 | <monteslu> what the command to check the lts config from a client?
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| 10:11 | i thought it was ltspconfig or something like that, but I dont see it
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| 10:12 | <sbalneav> getltspcfg -a
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| 10:12 | <monteslu> thatś the one, thanks
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| 10:12 | <sbalneav> getltscfg -a
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| 10:13 | sorry, extra p
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| 10:13 | <monteslu> what does PRINTER_0_TYPE=U do?
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| 10:13 | seems like its not necessary
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| 10:15 | <sbalneav> No, the type isn't being used at the moment.
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| 10:16 | <monteslu> there plans to do so?
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| 10:16 | <sbalneav> It used to be used to differentiate serial devices, which needed tty parms, and parallel/usb, which were simpler.
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| 10:17 | I did some preliminary stuff on serial printers, but to be perfectly honest, since we dropped support for them, nobody's squaked.
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| 10:17 | <monteslu> heh, havent used one since 1989
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| 10:17 | <ogra> POS people will want them at some point
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| 10:17 | <monteslu> point of sale, or piece of.... nevermind
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| 10:18 | <ogra> well, they want these little matrix printers and infrared scanners ...
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| 10:18 | and ltsp suits them perfectly i guess
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| 10:18 | <sbalneav> yep
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| 10:18 | <ogra> so we should have support for their stuff at some point :)
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| 10:19 | <sbalneav> What I was wondering was is if we could just use the stty command ahead of time.
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| 10:19 | so, in the startup, do:
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| 10:20 | stty 9600 -parenb blah blah tty stuff > /dev/ttyS0
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| 10:20 | then jetpipe /dev/ttyS0 9100
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| 10:20 | <staffencasa> sbalneav, btw... You helped me last week with a Screensaver issue stemming from the --kiosk plugin. I figured out what it was. Metacity wasn't being installed, so I added it to the 000-base configuration file and voila!
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| 10:20 | <ogra> sbalneav, sounds like a good plan :)
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| 10:20 | <sbalneav> Well, it would be simple. Few lines of code at the best.
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| 10:21 | Gotta find the time to do it tho' :)
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| 10:21 | gutsy +1 :)
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| 10:21 | <monteslu> I could hook that up if you want, been chomping at the bit to do some ltsp development
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| 10:22 | thogh I have not serial printer :)
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| 10:23 | guess you might want bitrates and whatnot as parms in lts.conf
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| 10:24 | <sbalneav> Well, the old method was kind of bulky, I thought.
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| 10:24 | <ogra> well, we should find the broadest default and go with that, but have options to override
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| 10:24 | <sbalneav> If we were going to do it with tty, I'd like something like:
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| 10:24 | <Gadi> interesting... sbalneav, your leases have 'next binding state free', and mine have 'next binding state expired'....
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| 10:24 | also, yours have no uids....
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| 10:25 | <sbalneav> [ -n "$PRINTER_0_STTY" ] && stty $PRINTER_0_STTY $PRINTER_0_DEVICE
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| 10:25 | <Gadi> ogra: initramfs is using klibc's ipconfig to set ip, right?
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| 10:25 | <sbalneav> then people could just say (in lts.conf)
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| 10:25 | PRINTER_0_STTY = "blah"
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| 10:25 | <ogra> Gadi, yop
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| 10:25 | <sbalneav> PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/ttyS0
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| 10:26 | <ogra> sbalneav, why not just check for /dev/ttyS in the variable
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| 10:26 | <sbalneav> That too.
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| 10:26 | I'm talking ex-tempore.
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| 10:26 | :)
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| 10:26 | <ogra> so you dont need to have PRINTER_0_STTY
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| 10:26 | and we put in sane defaults
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| 10:27 | <sbalneav> Well, you'll need something to override the defaults for insane serial devices, but yeah, a standard 9600 8n1 would handle most things.
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| 10:28 | For the people with the barcode printer that prints at 300 baud, 7e1 and RTS/CTS handshaking. :)
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| 10:28 | <ogra> indeed, i didnt say we should prevent overriding :)
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| 10:29 | <sbalneav> right, but agreed, a nice sane default for a ttyS would be awesome.
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| 10:30 | Then, configuring 3 sane printers would be as easy as: PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/ttyS0, ...1...=/dev/lp ...2..=/dev/usblp0
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| 10:31 | SCREEN_07 = shell, and you've got yourself the world's most complicated print server :)
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| 10:32 | <monteslu> screen_07 being ldm made it the most complicated one
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| 10:32 | <ogra> yeah
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| 10:32 | you dont like ldm ?
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| 10:32 | <monteslu> I spend a good bit explaining it to someone last night :)
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| 10:34 | ldm is fine, itś the print server concept on a thin client that needs a pretty diagram in the docs I think
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| 10:34 | <ogra> ah, right
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| 10:35 | <monteslu> maybe printing in general should get a separate page in the edubuntu handbook ?
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| 10:35 | <sbalneav> Probably should.
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| 10:35 | <ogra> yeah
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| 10:36 | <sbalneav> Please tell me you're volunteering to write it! :)
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| 10:36 | <monteslu> absolutely
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| 10:36 | <ogra> printing in gutsy changed drastically though
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| 10:36 | (on the desktop side)
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| 10:36 | <monteslu> dang
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| 10:36 | <sbalneav> Did it?
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| 10:36 | <ogra> gnome-cups-manager is gone
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| 10:36 | <monteslu> what replaces it?
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| 10:36 | <sbalneav> Geez, I haven't even tested a printer in gutsy yet,
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| 10:36 | <ogra> there is a new (pretty scary imoho) tool
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| 10:36 | <sbalneav> What'd they replace it with?
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| 10:37 | <ogra> sytem-config-printer or so is the name
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| 10:37 | <sbalneav> ah, I'll have to check it out.
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| 10:37 | <monteslu> that sounds like a fedora comman
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| 10:37 | d
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| 10:38 | well, as long as its still cups I can document it
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| 10:38 | I aslo want a page for multi-server intalls
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| 10:38 | load balancing
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| 10:38 | local devices with mutliple servers
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| 10:46 | <Gadi> so, I have been playing with dhcp failover a bunch, and it seems like it is not 100% compatible with diskless nodes. Has anyone here played with it?
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| 10:46 | <ogra> Gadi, dtrask and moquist
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| 10:46 | <Gadi> ah, ok
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| 10:46 | <ogra> actually dtrask just sent a howto to the edubuntu mailing list
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| 10:46 | <Gadi> I know that failover has a prereq of not allowing bootp clients
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| 10:47 | it seems the leases in a regular dhcp server have 2 states: active and free
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| 10:49 | <Gadi> yeah, his range is: range 10.0.7.1 10.0.9.252;
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| 10:49 | which is huge
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| 10:49 | so, he prolly never sees IP conflicts
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| 10:50 | or never runs out of leases
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| 11:01 | <monteslu> dtrask didnt actually post his conf file
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| 11:02 | Im still waiting for it
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| 11:02 | <ogra> its in the wiki
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| 11:02 | <monteslu> oops
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| 11:07 | <Gadi> i think some of my woes stem from the fact that this ltsp4 which makes the dhcp client request with dhcpcd which passes a clientID by default
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| 11:07 | I am trying to figure out how to disable that
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| 11:07 | I think it confuses the dhcp server
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| 11:07 | and evidently, ltsp5/ipconfig does not send a clientID
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| 11:36 | <sbalneav> brb
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| 11:46 | <sn9_> !monkeys
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| 11:46 | just wondering...
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| 11:46 | !s
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| 11:46 | <ltspbot> sn9_: "monkeys" is SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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| 11:46 | sn9_: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 11:55 | <vagrantc_> ltspbot: factoids search --values
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| 11:55 | <ltspbot> vagrantc_: 'ltsp', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'wireless', 'sound', 'topics', 'integration', 'lts.conf', 'pastebot', 'bootfloppy', 'ltsp5', 'tarball', 'download', 'monkeys', 'ogra', 'nfs', 'nfsnotresp', 'js', 's', (1 more message)
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| 11:56 | <vagrantc_> that "1 more message bit" part actually contains lots more entries ...
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| 11:56 | <vagrantc_> !frappr
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| 11:56 | <ltspbot> vagrantc_: "frappr" is a new mapping service using Google maps. There's a map of LTSP users around the world at http://k12ltsp.com
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| 11:58 | <vagrantc_> !js
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| 11:58 | <ltspbot> vagrantc_: "js" is Lumiere!!!!!!!!
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| 12:02 | <cliebow_> heh!
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| 12:37 | <Gadi> hey, guys - just wanted to report that I think I nailed that dhcp bug
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| 12:37 | in ltsp4, dhcpcd issues a clientID by default
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| 12:38 | it seems dhcp3-server consequently treats dhcp request #1 and #2 as coming from different clients
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| 12:38 | I patched dhcpcd to not send a clientID by default
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| 12:38 | and all is better, so far
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| 12:39 | so, in case it ever comes up even in ltsp5, never send a clientID with the second dhcp request (ie the one frominitramfs)
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| 12:39 | bbiab
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| 12:50 | <sn9_> Gadi: a much easier way to handle that issue is with class definitions in your dhcpd.conf
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| 12:53 | <Ryudo> hi all , the terminal mount chroot (/opt/ltsp/i386) over nfs or sshfs ? (LTSP5)
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| 12:56 | <Gadi> sn9_: I have class defs
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| 12:56 | doesnt matter
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| 12:56 | the only other work around is with specified workstations
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| 12:57 | <sn9_> not really
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| 12:57 | <Gadi> do tell
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| 12:57 | <sn9_> all the clients send the same client-id, right?
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| 12:57 | <Gadi> nope
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| 12:58 | every client sends 2 dhcp requests
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| 12:58 | 1. PXE - no client ID
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| 12:58 | 2. initramfs - with client ID
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| 12:58 | and the default client-id = MAC address
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| 12:59 | <sn9_> the client-id from the initramfs is the MAC?
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| 12:59 | <Gadi> yup - in ltsp4
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| 12:59 | because it uses dhcpcd
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| 12:59 | which uses MAC addy by default for client id
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| 13:00 | <sn9_> when i ran wireshark on ltsp4, the client-id was the uname
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| 13:00 | not the MAC
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| 13:00 | <Gadi> are you thinking class id?
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| 13:00 | there is class id and client id
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| 13:00 | 2 diff things
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| 13:02 | <sn9_> then ignore the client-id in your dhcpd.conf, and use the class-id, like i did
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| 13:03 | <Gadi> thats not the problem
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| 13:03 | its in the way dhcp handles the leases
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| 13:04 | <Gadi> in any event, its not something you'd notice unless you maxed out your range
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| 13:04 | and you had lots of clients rebooting
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| 13:05 | <sn9_> oh, so it's a performance thing?
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| 13:06 | <Gadi> no. say your range had 5 IPs. and you boot 5 thin clients. All come up fine. But, you go to reboot one of them, and it won't boot - 'no free leases'
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| 13:07 | problem is, all leases are taken by clients, in this case the second dhcp client of each thin client
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| 13:07 | <Gadi> when the PXE request comes in from that fifth client, it is seen as a '6th' client
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| 13:07 | because it has a different clientID (in this case none) than the one with the lease
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| 13:07 | <sn9_> not using a much wider range than you need is asking for trouble
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| 13:08 | <Gadi> sn9_: yeah, especially if the use case is broken
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| 13:08 | <Gadi> but, by not passing a clientID the second time, both dhcp requests appear to the server as from the same client
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| 13:09 | and the problem is resolved
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| 13:09 | in ltsp5, ipconfig is the client and not dhcpcd
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| 13:09 | and ipconfig sends no clientID by default
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| 13:09 | so, there's no issue
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| 13:09 | <Blinny> I have three LTSP 1225e's from disklessworkstations.com - One that I received a few months ago that I've been testing boots immediately. Two I just ordered & received in the mail take 12 seconds to d/l the tftp kernel.
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| 13:10 | <sn9_> yes, but editing dhcpd.conf is a much quicker solution than mucking about in dhcpcd
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| 13:10 | <Blinny> Both are etherboot.. and when I wireshark port 69 on the server, the conversation is exactly the same.. just one takes a lot longer.
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| 13:10 | <Gadi> sometimes you dont have the luxury of a boundless range
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| 13:10 | :)
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| 13:11 | <sn9_> you have sixteen million clients?
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| 13:12 | <Gadi> sixteen million and three
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| 13:12 | but who's counting?
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| 13:12 | :)
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| 13:13 | <sn9_> that's still less than 0xfffffc
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| 13:30 | <sbalneav> ogra: Still around? Got a second to discuss an idea?
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| 13:54 | <Blinny> Forgive me for trying again
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| 13:54 | I have three LTSP 1225e's from disklessworkstations.com - One that I received a few months ago that I've been testing boots immediately. Two I just ordered & received in the mail take 12 seconds to d/l the tftp kernel. Both are etherboot.. and when I wireshark port 69 on the server, the conversation is exactly the same.. just one takes a lot longer, through the same switch port/cable/everything. Anyone know what could cause this?
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| 13:55 | <sbalneav> What are the rev's of etherboot in them?
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| 13:55 | <Blinny> How do I check that?
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| 13:56 | <sbalneav> Durned if I know. jammcq would, though
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| 13:56 | <Blinny> Heh
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| 13:56 | lspci shows the same thing, spot-on. I know that's just hardware though.
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| 13:57 | <Blinny> Ah. Shows in bootup screen.
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| 13:57 | Testing
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| 14:07 | <Solifugus> Question: Does rdesktop work in full-screen mode, over LTSP?
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| 14:08 | <vagrantc_> Solifugus: sure
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| 14:09 | <Solifugus> vagrantc_: ok.. because some years ago when I last tried it, it didn't.
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| 14:09 | <vagrantc_> well, maybe i misunderstand what you mean
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| 14:09 | <Solifugus> vagrantc_: the screen would work but not keyboard/mouse
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| 14:09 | <vagrantc_> you can configure LTSP to boot directly to rdesktop
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| 14:10 | but i honestly have no experience with it. i know people do it.
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| 14:10 | <Solifugus> i suppose i need to try it out...
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| 14:10 | <sn9_> i did it with ltsp4, and will try with 5 asap'
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| 14:11 | simple as pi
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| 14:11 | <Solifugus> sn9_: your keyboard/mouse worked using rdesktop in full-screen mode?
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| 14:11 | <sn9_> yes
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| 14:11 | <Solifugus> ok.. that means they must have fixed it at some point (I last tried it about 5 years ago)
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| 14:12 | <sn9_> if they work in X, they work in rdesktop, as rdesktop requires X
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| 14:12 | <Solifugus> sn9_: yes.. but somehow it didn't seem to be using X for keyboard/mouse at that time.. it took them from the server...
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| 14:13 | <Solifugus> sn9_: back then, evolution didn't work over remote X, either.. certain parts did and many parts didn't...
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| 14:13 | sn9_: some developers appearantly coded in ways that were'd exclusively using X.
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| 14:14 | s/were'd/were not/
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| 14:14 | <sn9_> that's not really possible
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| 14:14 | oh, _not_ exclusively
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| 14:14 | * vagrantc_ has seen evolution working since 2000 using remote X | |
| 14:15 | <Solifugus> vagrantc_: seriously? 5 years ago, I had a cyber cafe and it worked on the server, but only partially worked on the LTSP clients.
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| 14:16 | <vagrantc_> Solifugus: i seen it with my own eyes.
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| 14:18 | <Solifugus> vagrantc_: ok.. i believe you.. i just wonder why it didn't work for me.
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| 14:18 | <vagrantc_> i've seen precious few X programs that didn't run over remote X ...
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| 14:19 | <Solifugus> vagrantc_: now i am making a plan for this organization to migrate their labs to thin clients.. it needs to be on redhat enterprise..
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| 14:19 | because they only support windows or redhat enterprise
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| 14:19 | <vagrantc_> features like sound don't work, sure. and maybe performance issues (though rarely)
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| 14:19 | <Solifugus> vagrantc_: i had sound working great
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| 14:20 | <vagrantc_> sure, you can get sound working.
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| 14:20 | <Solifugus> recently, i tried edubuntu server but got in a lot of trouble when it automatically started serving dhcp anonymously...
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| 14:20 | * vagrantc_ patiently awaits RHEL to join the ranks of LTSP5 distros | |
| 14:21 | <Solifugus> vagrantc_: what's new and better about ltsp5 ?
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| 14:21 | <sbalneav> !ltsp5
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| 14:21 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: "ltsp5" is ltsp5 is The next version of LTSP, and the future of Thin Client computing on GNU/Linux. http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5
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| 14:21 | <vagrantc_> it inherrits all of the host distro's infrastructure for packages
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| 14:39 | <Blinny> sbalneav: Yeah, the etherboot revs are the same. So is the bootrom version.
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| 14:39 | (it didn't take me that long to test, I just got called away to other matters)
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| 14:39 | <sbalneav> Got me then.
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| 14:40 | <Blinny> K. I'll bug jammcq next time I see him.
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| 14:40 | Thanks though.
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| 14:41 | Cheers.
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| 14:45 | <vagrantc> hub/switch differences ?
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| 15:01 | <lns> Hey has anyone had any success with thin-client-manager? I launch mine, with a logged-in LTSP user, and it just locks up - can't do anything, don't see any processes, have to force quit.
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| 15:02 | running on Ubuntu Feisty
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| 15:14 | <Ryudo> hi all :D
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| 15:15 | anybody know how i make my terminal's autologin in ltsp5 ?
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| 15:26 | <trinity9393> afternoon all
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| 15:27 | <monteslu> lns, it locks up on me as well with one admin user, but not another
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| 15:27 | not sure why yet
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| 15:27 | on thing I've seen is you sometimes have to wait a while for it to fully load up
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| 15:28 | <sn9_> corruption in the ~ dir?
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| 15:28 | <monteslu> possibly
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| 15:28 | but i didn't even notice a .thin_client_manager folder
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| 15:29 | didn't spend a whole lot of time on it yet :)
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| 15:30 | <lns> hmm
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| 15:30 | yeah i see it takes a loooong time for anything to happen
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| 15:30 | like ~5-10min
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| 15:31 | course i'm runnign the server on a via epia 800mhz board...but still, it shouldn't take that long for a simple program to show status
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| 15:31 | even openoffice/ff doesn't lag like that
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| 15:31 | <sbalneav> Ryudo: What are you running? Feisty or gutsy?
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| 15:32 | <Ryudo> feisty
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| 15:34 | <sbalneav> You'll need a replacement ldm
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| 15:34 | <trinity9393> is gutsy the newer version?
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| 15:34 | <sbalneav> !ldm
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| 15:34 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "ldm" is You can find the updated ldm that supports the LDM_DIRECTX parameter for bypassing ssh encryption at http://alburg.net/ldm
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| 15:34 | <sn9_> trinity9393: feisty fawn == 7.04, gutsy gibbon == 7.10
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| 15:34 | <sbalneav> then, on a workstation by workstation basis, you can set LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD
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| 15:34 | <trinity9393> ok
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| 15:35 | worth upgradeing ?
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| 15:35 | <sn9_> not released yet, btw
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| 15:35 | <sbalneav> Still under development.
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| 15:35 | Will be released october
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| 15:36 | <trinity9393> well im asumeing that
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| 15:36 | <monteslu> sbalneav, does LDM_DIRECTX break local devs?
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| 15:36 | <lns> !thin-client-manager
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| 15:36 | <ltspbot> lns: Error: "thin-client-manager" is not a valid command.
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| 15:36 | <sbalneav> monteslu: nope.
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| 15:36 | <vagrantc> monteslu: nope.
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| 15:36 | <Ryudo> sbalneav
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| 15:36 | <lns> anyone have a url for the dev status of thin-client-manager?
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| 15:36 | <trinity9393> but in relation to LTSP is it worth upgradeing?
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| 15:36 | * vagrantc smiles | |
| 15:37 | <Ryudo> the new ldm is writing in C ?
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| 15:37 | <trinity9393> as in what is fixed and what is new
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| 15:37 | <sbalneav> Ryudo: The one in gutsy is, yes.
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| 15:37 | <whiprush_> sbalneav: someone forgot to put all the ltsp improvements in the tribe5 release notes.
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| 15:38 | <Ryudo> http://alburg.net/ldm <=== i replace the old code of feisty LDM for it ?
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| 15:38 | <sbalneav> trinity9393: lots of stuff fixed, and improvements. Check out my tree on launchpad for info.
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| 15:38 | Ryudo: yup
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| 15:38 | <trinity9393> becuse right now im doing development on setting up a thin client solution for small business for resale and im running into a lot of issues
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| 15:38 | <sbalneav> make sure you chmod 755 it.
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| 15:38 | <Ryudo> and the parameters LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD i set in lts.con ?
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| 15:38 | <trinity9393> launchpad?
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| 15:39 | <sbalneav> Ryudo: yup
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| 15:39 | <monteslu> lns https://launchpad.net/tcm
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| 15:39 | <Ryudo> sbal its great man
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| 15:39 | :D
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| 15:40 | <sbalneav> whiprush_: I can write code, I can write docs, or I can write release notes. :) They're in order of my preference.
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| 15:40 | <whiprush_> sbalneav: I wasn't saying as a dig on you or something.
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| 15:40 | <sbalneav> Nah, nah, didn't take it that way.
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| 15:40 | <monteslu> what would be cool is remote booting a bunch of thin clients and having them get LDM_USERNAME/LDM_PASSWORD for just that next session
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| 15:41 | <lns> monteslu, thx!
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| 15:41 | <sbalneav> Just an opportunity to make a joke. :)
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| 15:41 | <monteslu> would be great for the kindegarten and preschool kids
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| 15:41 | <whiprush_> sbalneav: people still need to be reminded that ltsp is core goodness, and should always be mentioned.
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| 15:41 | <sbalneav> yep
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| 15:41 | <whiprush_> sbalneav: burgundavia is on vacation, so let's blame him.
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| 15:41 | <Q-FUNK> ltsp love
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| 15:41 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 15:41 | <Q-FUNK> :-P
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| 15:42 | <sbalneav> Hey! Q-FUNK, just the guy I wanted to talk to!
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| 15:42 | <Q-FUNK> :)
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| 15:42 | <sbalneav> Guess what I got booted last night?
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| 15:42 | <Q-FUNK> it works out of the box now? :D
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| 15:42 | <sbalneav> No, not quite.
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| 15:43 | running Xorg -configure :1, on that little geode craps out.
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| 15:43 | <Q-FUNK> oh?
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| 15:43 | <sbalneav> So, I had to create a custom xorg.conf file.
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| 15:43 | <cliebow_> lns:ogra knows there is a buggy in there..he was talking about the fix a cfew days ago
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| 15:44 | <sbalneav> and, I can't seem to get it to display in anything more than 800x600
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| 15:44 | I'm supposed to use the xserver-xorg-video-amd driver, yes?
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| 15:44 | <Q-FUNK> now, that it odd, given how it supports up to 1600x1200 on TFT or even larger with CRT.
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| 15:44 | yes, -amd
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| 15:44 | <sbalneav> Hmm
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| 15:45 | Bog standard xorg.conf, just set up "amd" as the driver.
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| 15:45 | the "rtv" driver that comes with the -amd package had some linkage error.
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| 15:46 | <lns> cliebow, oh cool. ok...if there's anythign I can do to help it along, that'd be great...i've got 7 schools to set up ubuntu LTSP servers (30-40 thin clients each) and this tool is going to be great for that. Seriously, anything I can do (besides coding).
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| 15:46 | <Q-FUNK> sbalneav: yeah, that tv driver has been known to not work from time to time
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| 15:46 | <sbalneav> That was what killed the Xorg -configure.
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| 15:46 | <Q-FUNK> sbalneav: but amd should work
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| 15:47 | <cliebow_> lns:Cool..i am still using my bastatrdized teachertool for just that..
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| 15:47 | <sbalneav> What time is it in your neck of the woods?
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| 15:47 | Also, it didn't detect a sound driver, either, so we need to figgure that one out.
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| 15:48 | However, that aside (!) I was watching youtube videos on it, and browsing the web (albeit at 800x600) and it was pretty snappy.
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| 15:49 | <Q-FUNK> it's 23:45
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| 15:49 | sound driver should be detected by udev
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| 15:50 | <str4nd> to elokuun 23. 23:47:13 EEST 2007
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| 15:51 | Hmm...
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| 15:51 | <sbalneav> So, in 7ish hours, it should be 7 am there
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| 15:51 | Any chance I could ask you to be an early riser, and pop on at 7 your time, and we can step through a few things?
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| 15:52 | It'll be 11 pm my time
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| 15:53 | <trinity9393> sny work being done in regards to music cd's
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| 15:53 | <Q-FUNK> sbalneav: I tend to be up around 8:00
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| 15:56 | snd_cs5535audio
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| 15:57 | <sbalneav> Well, pop in as soon as you can. I'll stay up 'till I pass out :)
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| 15:57 | <Q-FUNK> heh, ok
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| 15:57 | <sn9_> trinity9393: they should work if you put them in the server
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| 15:57 | <sbalneav> OK, off to catch the bus.
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| 15:58 | I'll be on later.
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| 15:58 | ciao
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| 15:59 | <trinity9393> oh they do but for what im working on i need the terminals cdrom to be able to play music
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| 15:59 | i found some interesting things abiut doing something with cdfs but its a bit vauge
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| 16:00 | <sn9_> the sever can play on the terminals
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| 16:00 | <trinity9393> i know that
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| 16:01 | i need to be able to pay a music cd on the terminal from the terminals cdrom drive
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| 16:01 | <sn9_> then you need to run a player locally
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| 16:02 | i would recommend mplayer
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| 16:03 | <trinity9393> im gona have two models of thin clinet
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| 16:03 | <sn9_> you could control that from the X session on the server
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| 16:04 | <trinity9393> one with cd and floppy and one with just a usb slot for usb keychains
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| 16:04 | <sn9_> floppy?
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| 16:04 | <trinity9393> all of this needs to be transperent to the app
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| 16:05 | yea people want floppy suport
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| 16:05 | i dont know why
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| 16:05 | <sn9_> i have a usb floppy drive
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| 16:06 | <trinity9393> well i was thinking about going in that direction too
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| 16:06 | <sn9_> you could pass one around whenever someone wants to use it
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| 16:06 | <trinity9393> and just haveing one model that did only usb
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| 16:06 | <monteslu> I bet the people that want floppy support have no idea that they can buy a thumdrive with a 800 floppy capacity for less than ten bucks
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| 16:06 | <sn9_> cd over usb is ridiculous, though
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| 16:07 | <trinity9393> and they can but the cd and floppy seprately and use usb
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| 16:08 | <sn9_> you could have a single model with cd and usb
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| 16:08 | <trinity9393> the thinclient hard ware im useing for the usb only is the size of a walkman
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| 16:08 | <sn9_> oh
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| 16:08 | forget cd, then
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| 16:08 | just have them rip all their cd's to usb sticks
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| 16:09 | <trinity9393> its basicaly a box this network k/m/v and usb and sound and a parallel port
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| 16:20 | <trinity9393> im createing a comercial product to sell to customers so im trying to make it as little intrusive to how they do things now as posable
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| 16:28 | <sn9_> anything new to them is by definition intrusive
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| 16:28 | hmm, i thought the edubuntu cd was a livecd -- that's a disappointment
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| 16:29 | <monteslu> i thought it was a little strange
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| 16:30 | didn't ubuntu have a live cd installer a couple versions back?
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| 16:30 | <sn9_> i'm talking about edubuntu, though
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| 16:31 | <monteslu> same here, thought it was strange edubuntu didn't have a live cd installer
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| 16:32 | or at least a graphical one
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| 16:34 | <vagrantc> i don't think the edubuntu-server have a livecd installer, but i'm pretty sure that the desktop install is a livecd ... haven't just used it days ago
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| 16:34 | er, having just used it ...
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| 16:38 | <sn9_> i'm referring to the shipit cd
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| 16:38 | it is not live
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| 16:54 | <vykarian> hi all!
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| 16:55 | <sn9_> hello
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| 17:23 | <vykarian> does anybody know where find documentation about kernel compiling?
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| 17:23 | the wiki/documentation at ltsp.org is off for that
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| 17:23 | <sn9_> what info regarding kernel compiling are you looking for?
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| 17:24 | <vykarian> I should hack a ltsp kernel for the discontinued rtl8139 driver
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| 17:25 | 8139cp || 8139too works
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| 17:25 | <sn9_> "discontinued" ??
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| 17:25 | <vykarian> yeah
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| 17:26 | remember when u called modprobe rtl8139 instead 8139cp/8139too ?
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| 17:26 | i need that old rtl8139 driver
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| 17:26 | <sn9_> why?
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| 17:26 | the too is just fine
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| 17:27 | <vykarian> because the 40 NICs that somebody just bought me only work with that
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| 17:27 | i already forced the dhcpd.conf option-129 to NIC=8139too/cp
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| 17:27 | and that just don't work
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| 17:33 | <sn9_> what model are they?
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| 17:44 | <vykarian> my fw was rebooted =\
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| 17:44 | sn9_ thats a RTL8139D
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| 17:44 | but thats documentation says that it uses the rtl8139 instead too/cp
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| 17:45 | does somebody knows where I can find a mirror of LTSP Documentation?
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| 17:45 | <sn9_> there are options to enable the D in either cp or too, i forget which
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| 17:45 | but the option is off by default
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| 17:46 | <vykarian> options where?
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| 17:48 | <sn9_> kernel config
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| 17:48 | <vykarian> in my linux it works fine
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| 17:49 | i already hacked a regular kernel
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| 17:49 | to use rtl8139
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| 17:49 | I picked up the rtl8139.c code from a 2.4
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| 17:49 | and created a patch for 2.6.20
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| 17:49 | so, in my linux i have rtl8139, 8139too and 8139cp
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| 17:50 | the only thing that I need is the LTSP documentation
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| 17:50 | to port that regular kernel to ltsp stations
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| 17:55 | guess I need something like ltsp_initrd
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| 17:57 | <sn9_> is this a genuine realtek, or a hangzhou silan?
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| 17:59 | <vykarian> man
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| 17:59 | thats even worse
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| 17:59 | <sn9_> the hangzhou silan has a different driver, sc92031.ko
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| 17:59 | <vykarian> I'm hating that.. wondering about a bomb.. i received 40 of those
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| 18:00 | yeah, but that isn't that case.. that was my first guess
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| 18:00 | <sn9_> lspci should tell you
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| 18:01 | <vykarian> thats a genuine realtek..
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| 18:01 | there is no sense
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| 18:01 | <sn9_> there is also "Rsltek 8139D"
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| 18:02 | <vykarian> fouuuuuuuund
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| 18:02 | <sn9_> try the sc92031 driver anyway -- it's in recent kernels
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| 18:03 | <vykarian> wiki miraculously came back from dead!
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| 18:03 | and the kernel_kit is available for download
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| 19:19 | <vagrantc_> hey, if sbalneav shows up, i've got a few patches for him: http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/ltsp/ubuntu/vagrant-gutsy
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| 21:09 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 21:20 | <mystafa> morning for all!
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| 21:21 | ogra, are you here? ;-)
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| 21:25 | <sbalneav> No, it's like 4 in the morning for ogra
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| 21:27 | <Lumiere> he just never logs out
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| 21:28 | <mystafa> ;-)
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| 21:28 | i have a two questions ;-)
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| 21:28 | <Lumiere> sbalneav awaits them ^^
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| 21:29 | <mystafa> ^^
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| 21:30 | why when i get a chroot to the /opt/ltsp/i386 i don't see any stuff? i have directories, some stuff... but! when i trying to compile the source, the client says that i don't have a gcc... on the server i have it. and i thought, that client can take all packages from server
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| 21:30 | this is the first question ;-)
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| 21:30 | and about printing :(
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| 21:30 | <mystafa> oh! sorry... i don't say what i'am using ;-)
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| 21:31 | Debian 4 + LTSP 5
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| 21:31 | <sbalneav> mystafa: First, what source are you wanting to compile? Why would you compile something in the chroot?
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| 21:31 | Isn't there a package for it you could just install?
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| 21:32 | <mystafa> sbalneav i'll try to compile a patch for my printer
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| 21:32 | wait a sec.. i'll tell you about printer
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| 21:32 | when i plug the printer to the server.. it see it... and cups says that printer is plugged. when i plug it in to the client - the cups is silent
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| 21:33 | <sbalneav> Well of course
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| 21:33 | cups doesn't know about the printer on the client.
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| 21:33 | <mystafa> sbalneav and what i must do? ;-) i want to install printer on the client
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| 21:33 | <sbalneav> cups only looks at printers where the cups is running, on the server.
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| 21:34 | You set up the parameters in lts.conf
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| 21:34 | <mystafa> yeah..
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| 21:34 | ogra helps me tomoroww
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| 21:34 | <sbalneav> and then manually add a jet direct type printer in cups.
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| 21:34 | <mystafa> yes
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| 21:34 | i'll do it
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| 21:34 | <sbalneav> thats it.
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| 21:35 | <mystafa> hm... you see... i don't understand, how client must install it, when it doesn't see it ;)
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| 21:36 | i'll do all steps which is writed on a wiki.. client says - printing... and that's all..
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| 21:36 | printing not happened
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| 21:36 | <sbalneav> What kind of printer is it?
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| 21:37 | Wait, were you the one with the whacky windows printer?
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| 21:37 | <mystafa> sbalneav i'll have an hp1020
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| 21:37 | <sbalneav> yeah
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| 21:37 | I don't think you're going to get that to work, myself.
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| 21:37 | <mystafa> why?
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| 21:38 | <sbalneav> it needs special drivers and stuff, and we don't have any of that plumbing in LTSP.
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| 21:38 | If it's a "normal" USB printer, that you can just plug in, and start sending data to /dev/usblp0, then it will work.
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| 21:38 | <sbalneav> You can probably GET it to work, if you spend a lot of time at it.
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| 21:39 | <mystafa> yeah... but you see.. this printer needs a new firmware. i've got it. but i can't complie it on the client 'cause it doesn't have a gcc and all stuff ;-)
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| 21:39 | <sbalneav> but it's not going to work "out of the box", like, say, an HP laserjet 4000 or something.
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| 21:39 | ok
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| 21:39 | so install gcc in the chroot.
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| 21:39 | chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 21:39 | <mystafa> hmmm...one more question
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| 21:39 | <sbalneav> apt-get install gcc build-essentials, etc etc etc
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| 21:40 | <mystafa> i'll try to mount cdrom, to get all stuff
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| 21:40 | o nthe client
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| 21:40 | on the client. sorry
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| 21:40 | but...
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| 21:40 | <sbalneav> Why wouldn't you just compile all this stuff on the server, and just COPY it into the chroot?
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| 21:40 | <mystafa> when a take a cd, on the client, at the desktop, i see it. but on the /media
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| 21:41 | sbalneav hmm... it's idea! but ;-)
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| 21:41 | <sbalneav> yeah, that's where things mount, under /media
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| 21:42 | <mystafa> i dont' understand one more thing. at the server i have all stuff... do i have it on the client? i ask it, because, when i'am going chroot, i don't see anything. `ps -e` on the client says nothing
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| 21:43 | do client takes all daemons, services, from server when i start it?
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| 21:43 | for example...
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| 21:44 | at server, i have cupsd. but at the client i don't see it.
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| 21:44 | <sbalneav> What do you mean, "at the client"?
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| 21:45 | When you're logged in graphically on the client?
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| 21:45 | <mystafa> when i'am going chroot
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| 21:45 | <sbalneav> When you do a choot /opt/ltsp/i386?
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| 21:45 | <mystafa> yeah
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| 21:45 | <sbalneav> Well, #1, when you're in the chroot, are you doing a "mount -t proc proc /proc"?
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| 21:46 | <mystafa> no
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| 21:46 | <sbalneav> and then unmounting it before you exit the chroot.
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| 21:46 | and 2, no, cups isn't installed in the chroot.
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| 21:46 | <mystafa> but client must have it?
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| 21:46 | isn't so?
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| 21:46 | <sbalneav> what's in the choot (/opt/ltsp/i386) will be "/" when the client's running
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| 21:46 | No, because you don't run cups on the client.
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| 21:47 | <mystafa> i see...
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| 21:47 | hm
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| 21:47 | ok. will try to explain
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| 21:47 | one sec
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| 21:47 | <sbalneav> we have a little tiny program called jetpipe that makes the thin client look like an hpjetdirect print server.
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| 21:48 | <mystafa> when i'am going chroot - i see _the client stuff_, i'am right?
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| 21:48 | and what do "mount -t proc proc /proc"?
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| 21:49 | <sbalneav> right
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| 21:49 | lets you run "ps -ef " while in the chroot.
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| 21:49 | <sbalneav> You'll see the SERVER's processes, because you're ON the server.
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| 21:49 | <mystafa> sbalneav nothing
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| 21:50 | sbalneav i'am now a chroot and run ps -ef, and it says nothing
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| 21:50 | <sbalneav> Then you didn't do the mount
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| 21:50 | <mystafa> what gives mount -t proc proc /proc?
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| 21:50 | yeah!
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| 21:50 | it works
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| 21:51 | but what it gives me? ;)
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| 21:53 | <ltsppbot> "sbalneav" pasted "chroot" (22 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/286
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| 21:54 | <sbalneav> it gives you the SERVER's processes, because you're ON the server.
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| 21:54 | The chroot is just a mini installation of linux that sits on the server.
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| 21:55 | you can maintain it by chrooting into it, runnin apt-get commands, etc.
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| 21:55 | but that's what gets mounted by the clients.
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| 21:55 | <mystafa> great... thank you! i'll understand it ;-) and one more question... i which situation i must do it?
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| 21:56 | <sbalneav> Think about it a little bit. Time to do a little reading on your own.
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| 21:56 | <mystafa> ;-) sbalneav, ok!
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| 21:57 | sbalneav one more question about `mounting`
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| 21:58 | i plug the cd to the client, at the desktop i see it. but when i look up at the `/media`, there was - nothing. trying to to mount /media it says error
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| 21:58 | <sbalneav> Something's not right with your localdevs
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| 21:59 | !checklist
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| 21:59 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "checklist" is The checklist for debugging problems with local device access is at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Troubleshooting. Please work through all 12 steps, record the results, and paste the results to the pastebot at http://pastebot.ltsp.org
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| 21:59 | <sbalneav> hmm
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| 21:59 | not that one...
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| 21:59 | !localdevs
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| 21:59 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: Error: "localdevs" is not a valid command.
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| 21:59 | <sbalneav> !localdev
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| 21:59 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "localdev" is (#1) Information regarding using pluggable devices and cdroms with LTSP can be found at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev, or (#2) for ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices, or (#3) for debian-edu: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/HowTo/LocalDeviceLtspfs, or (#4) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
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| 21:59 | <sbalneav> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
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| 21:59 | <mystafa> ok! thanks!
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| 21:59 | <sbalneav> run through that, it should help
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| 21:59 | <mystafa> but.. i see it on the desktop. all local devices ;-)
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| 22:00 | <sbalneav> So, they're working?
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| 22:00 | they should be in /media/<userid>
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| 22:00 | <mystafa> yeah.. but i can't do `apt-cdrom add` it says that it doesn't see it
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| 22:00 | <sbalneav> you shouldn't have to "mount" anything, the system does it for you
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| 22:00 | put the cdrom in the server
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| 22:01 | you don't want to have the cdrom in a thin client for an apt-cdrom.
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| 22:01 | <mystafa> sbalneav !!!
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| 22:01 | sbalneav put it on the server, then going to chroot?
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| 22:02 | and run `apt`
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| 22:02 | ?
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| 22:02 | <sbalneav> no
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| 22:02 | <mystafa> :(
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| 22:02 | do it on the client? `apt`
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| 22:02 | <sbalneav> no
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| 22:03 | what is it you want to get off the cdrom?
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| 22:03 | <mystafa> agrh ;-)
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| 22:03 | sbalneav gcc and all devs
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| 22:04 | <sbalneav> So you can compile some source?
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| 22:04 | <mystafa> yup
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| 22:04 | <sbalneav> to put a binary in the choot?
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| 22:04 | You didn't listen to what I said before, did you.
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| 22:04 | listen carefully.
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| 22:05 | <mystafa> sorry.. i understand
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| 22:05 | <sbalneav> compile your source
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| 22:05 | get your binary
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| 22:05 | copy to /opt/ltsp/i386/wherever
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| 22:06 | that's going to be WAAAAY easier than trying to install an entire development environment in the choot.
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| 22:06 | to accomplish exactly the same thing.
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| 22:07 | <mystafa> sbalneav ok ;-) thank you for you patience!
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| 22:07 | sbalneav you'll do a good thigs ;-)
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| 22:32 | <ryudo_> !ldm
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| 22:32 | <ltspbot> ryudo_: "ldm" is You can find the updated ldm that supports the LDM_DIRECTX parameter for bypassing ssh encryption at http://alburg.net/ldm
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| 22:32 | <ryudo_> !kiosk
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| 22:33 | <ltspbot> ryudo_: Error: "kiosk" is not a valid command.
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| 22:35 | <ryudo_> !list
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| 22:35 | <ltspbot> ryudo_: Admin, Alias, Channel, ChannelLogger, Config, Factoids, Google, Internet, Misc, Owner, Seen, Status, and User
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| 22:48 | <mystafa> sbalneav must i set in lts.conf for printer /dev/usb/lp0 or /dev/usblp0?
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| 22:49 | <sbalneav> Don't know
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| 22:49 | What does debian use?
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| 22:49 | Ubuntu's /dev/usblp0
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| 22:49 | <mystafa> sbalneav when i plug the printer it creates /dev/usb/lp0
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| 22:49 | <sbalneav> Well, then what do you thing you should use?
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| 22:50 | <mystafa> ;-) /dev/usb/lp0
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| 22:53 | <mystafa> sbalneav about mounting.. something strange. when i'am going as root on the client and put the cd, in /media i have directories, but from user, i don't have it
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| 22:55 | <sbalneav> Have you added the user to the fuse group
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| 22:55 | like that debug wiki page I pointed you to TELLS YOU
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| 22:55 | DUDE
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| 22:55 | START READING
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| 22:55 | <mystafa> sbalneav the user IS ON the FUSE GROUP
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| 22:55 | <sbalneav> yeah?
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| 22:56 | <mystafa> yup
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| 22:56 | i see that i'am asking stupid questions for you?
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| 22:56 | <sbalneav> No, but you're asking questions WITH NO CONTEXT.
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| 22:57 | How about saying: "I read the page, I've checked steps 1 throuh 5, and things seem ok, but this part isn't working"
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| 22:57 | <mystafa> sorry to this..
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| 22:57 | ok. i will do it on the future
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| 22:57 | ...from now
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| 22:57 | ;-)
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| 22:57 | <sbalneav> Paste the results of all the steps in the wiki page.
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| 22:57 | <mystafa> ok
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| 22:57 | <sbalneav> There's a complete debug procedure there.
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| 22:57 | if you follow it, it should tell you where the problem is.
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| 22:58 | <mystafa> ok
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| 23:02 | <sbalneav> So, for example, what do you have for step 2?
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| 23:03 | <sbalneav> mystafa: What do you have for step 2? Paste the single line result here.
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| 23:04 | <mystafa> fuse 39828 10
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| 23:05 | sorry it's a 3 step
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| 23:05 | ii ltspfs 0.4.3+debian2+0.edu.0.etch.0 Fuse based remote filesystem for LTSP thin clients
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| 23:05 | <sbalneav> what's the perms on /dev/fuse?
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| 23:06 | <mystafa> crw-rw---- 1 root fuse 10, 229 2007-08-17 09:36 /dev/fuse
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| 23:06 | <sbalneav> ok, so looks fine.
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| 23:07 | so, is the thin client on?
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| 23:07 | Is the thin client on?
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| 23:08 | <mystafa> yes
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| 23:08 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 23:08 | so as a regular user
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| 23:08 | type this:
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| 23:08 | <mystafa> it's on a fuse group
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| 23:08 | <sbalneav> ltspfs 11.22.33.44:/tmp ~/foo
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| 23:08 | where 11.22.33.44 is the ip address of the client
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| 23:09 | and ~/foo is some empty dir in your home directory
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| 23:09 | What does it do?
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| 23:09 | Just return silently?
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| 23:10 | <mystafa> one sec pls
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| 23:10 | which address i must set?
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| 23:11 | <sbalneav> where 11.22.33.44 is the ip address of the client
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| 23:11 | <ryudo_> sbalneav you know how i change the floppy icon in Desktop terminal ? to change the name floppy0 to other name
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| 23:11 | ltsp5 version
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| 23:11 | <sbalneav> I don't know what address your thin cklient is.
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| 23:11 | <mystafa> sbalneav it says `failed to access mountpoint`
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| 23:11 | <rafaelfeito> i've heard about libflashsupport... pulse audio. In ltsp4.2 what's the better solution for flash+firefox+sound ??
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| 23:12 | <sbalneav> ryudo_: it picks the icon based on the name.
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| 23:12 | you'd have to look in /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/udev/add_fstab_entry, and change how it assigns the name
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| 23:13 | rafaelfeito: There isn't a good one for ltsp4,2
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| 23:14 | <sbalneav> mystafa: paste me the exact command you used?
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| 23:14 | <ryudo_> thx sbal ! :D
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| 23:14 | i look this
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| 23:15 | <rafaelfeito> sbalneav: really? nothing works?? there is no way of doing this in 32MB thin clients?
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| 23:16 | <sbalneav> That's why we went to pulse audio in ltsp5
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| 23:16 | It was purely to get flash going.
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| 23:16 | mystafa: Paste the command you used?
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| 23:17 | <mystafa> ltspfs IP:/tmp ~/foo
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| 23:17 | it says that `no such file or...`
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| 23:19 | <sbalneav> you used the word IP?
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| 23:19 | <mystafa> no ;-))))))
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| 23:19 | <sbalneav> ok, does ~/foo exist?
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| 23:20 | <mystafa> no
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| 23:20 | <sbalneav> man
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| 23:20 | <mystafa> sbalneav you don't say that i must create it
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| 23:20 | <sbalneav> yes I did
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| 23:21 | and ~/foo is some empty dir in your home directory
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| 23:21 | <mystafa> :(
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| 23:21 | <sbalneav> you could use ~/foo, or something else you already had, or....
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| 23:21 | somethin
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| 23:21 | then mkdir ~/foo
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| 23:21 | <mystafa> command gives an empty line
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| 23:21 | ltspfs commnad
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| 23:22 | command*
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| 23:22 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 23:22 | mount | grep foo
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| 23:22 | paste the result
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| 23:23 | <mystafa> ltspfs on /home/test/foo type fuse (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=test)
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| 23:23 | <sbalneav> ok, fine, so you're mounting
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| 23:23 | fusermount -u ~/foo
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| 23:24 | <mystafa> empty line
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| 23:24 | <sbalneav> Thats fine.
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| 23:24 | You have a cdrom on the client, right?
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| 23:24 | <mystafa> yes
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| 23:25 | <sbalneav> You're using ldm?
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| 23:25 | <mystafa> yes
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| 23:25 | <sbalneav> OK, so you stick in a cdrom, and nothing happens, that right?
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| 23:26 | <mystafa> happens
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| 23:26 | <sbalneav> Nothing?
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| 23:26 | <mystafa> it's mounted. i can see it on a desktop
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| 23:26 | <sbalneav> ok so it's working!
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| 23:26 | <mystafa> but in /media - nothing
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| 23:26 | <sbalneav> as user
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| 23:26 | <mystafa> yes
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| 23:26 | <sbalneav> mount -a
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| 23:26 | <rafaelfeito> sbalneav: about floppies and ltspfs, how could I advice a user if none floppy are mounted?
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| 23:26 | <sbalneav> paste the results
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| 23:26 | <mystafa> ;-) i se
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| 23:26 | *see
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| 23:26 | :)
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| 23:27 | <sbalneav> you see what?
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| 23:27 | <mystafa> that `only root can do that`
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| 23:27 | <sbalneav> So, you're logged in as root right now?
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| 23:27 | <mystafa> no..as a user
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| 23:28 | <sbalneav> sorry
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| 23:28 | * mystafa rebooting the client | |
| 23:28 | <sbalneav> mount, not mount -a
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| 23:28 | mount, and paste the results
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| 23:28 | rafaelfeito: This for 4.2?
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| 23:28 | <mystafa> one sec.. i reboot the client..
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| 23:29 | <sbalneav> If you're seeing the cdrom, and you can see the files, it's mounted SOMEWHERE
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| 23:29 | <rafaelfeito> sbalneav: yes, and for ltsp5 too
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| 23:29 | <sbalneav> for ltsp4.2,
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| 23:29 | !checklist
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| 23:29 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "checklist" is The checklist for debugging problems with local device access is at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Troubleshooting. Please work through all 12 steps, record the results, and paste the results to the pastebot at http://pastebot.ltsp.org
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| 23:30 | <sbalneav> what kind of floppy is it? regular 1.44 on the floppy port?
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| 23:30 | <rafaelfeito> yes
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| 23:31 | <sbalneav> Is the kernel recognizing it?
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| 23:31 | for ltsp5, got "floppy" in the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/modules?
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| 23:34 | <rafaelfeito> yes, in ltsp4.2 works fine when a floppy is on drive at client, but if no, an user could open the directory where should be mounted (something like ~/Drives...)
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| 23:36 | and for user, this directory seems to be a empty floppy (but isn't a floppy, it's just the mount point of ltspfs)
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| 23:37 | <sbalneav> right
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| 23:37 | that's normal
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| 23:37 | <rafaelfeito> when there isn't floppy in drive
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| 23:37 | <sbalneav> there's no way to detect if a floppy's in the drive or not.
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| 23:37 | so the icon's always there.
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| 23:38 | That's normal
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| 23:38 | <rafaelfeito> yes!exactly
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| 23:38 | <sbalneav> that's the way it is.
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| 23:39 | <rafaelfeito> but, here, many people use floppy yet...
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| 23:39 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 23:39 | well, they can use it.
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| 23:39 | <rafaelfeito> and quality it's not too good...
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| 23:40 | <sbalneav> you said it works if the floppy's in the drive
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| 23:40 | so what's the problem?
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| 23:40 | mystafa: You still here?
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| 23:41 | <rafaelfeito> right, but if a bad floppy (that not could get mounted ) was inserted
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| 23:43 | <rafaelfeito> a student for example put his/her homework on empty directory (but, remember that's not mounted, is only a directory)
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| 23:44 | thinking that s/he saved on floppy
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| 23:44 | <sbalneav> yup
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| 23:44 | that's floppys
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| 23:44 | There's not really much that can be done.
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| 23:45 | floppies, basically, suck.
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| 23:45 | <rafaelfeito> i agree
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| 23:46 | i think in put something like ".floppynotmounted" on mountpoint :)
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| 23:46 | <sbalneav> Local machines have hal, to handle polling the floppy for errors, but we don't have hal available to us with ltsp.
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| 23:47 | <rafaelfeito> but, like you say, the directory should be empty for ltsp mount
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| 23:47 | <sbalneav> rafaelfeito: Well, you can always modify ltsp to do that :)
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| 23:47 | mystafa: Still here?
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| 23:48 | <rafaelfeito> great \o/ and thanks for "free software" :)
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| 23:50 | do you know where i can modify this behavior?
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| 23:50 | <sbalneav> For which, ltsp5 or 4.2?
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| 23:50 | <rafaelfeito> 4.2 for now
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| 23:51 | <sbalneav> in the udev scripts in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/udev/rules.d
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| 23:51 | ltsp something
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| 23:52 | I stopped working on 4.2 a year and a half ago, so I've forgotton most of it.
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| 23:53 | <rafaelfeito> thanks... and what could be consequences of this change?
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| 23:53 | <sbalneav> You could break it horribly so that localdevs don't work at all.
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| 23:53 | so make backups.
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| 23:53 | before you change things.
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| 23:57 | <rafaelfeito> i use 4.2 yet only because we have, in school, thinclients with 32MB, and when i test doesn't "fit" very good :P
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| 23:58 | but i expect that should be better in gutsy, by your work
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| 23:59 | <sbalneav> 32 meg clients work pretty good now
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