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Channel log from 12 September 2019 (all times are UTC)
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| 05:29 | <alkisg> vagrantc: heya; in Epoptes, you bumped Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 11) (it was: >=9), so I can't build in 16.04 anymore, do you mind if I put it back? I did some changes for LTSP19 that xenial/stretch/jessie users would want...
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| 05:31 | <vagrantc> i mind some :P
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| 05:31 | i think 9 is pretty much deprecated in debian
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| 05:32 | <alkisg> Does Debian policy mean that "building in order distributions is deprecated"?
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| 05:32 | <vagrantc> i guess 9 isn't quit deprecated yet
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| 05:32 | <alkisg> I was thinking that newer debhelpers are there for when you need them, not to stop people from supporting older and still supported versions...
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| 05:33 | I'm not planning to support unsupported versions; just the officially supported ones
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| 05:33 | (i.e. currently, anything with systemd)
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| 05:33 | <vagrantc> 16.04 used systemd?
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| 05:33 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 05:33 | Jessie too
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| 05:34 | <vagrantc> i knew about jessie :)
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| 05:34 | <alkisg> Those run ltsp19 fine
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| 05:34 | So, I was thinking, why shouldn't they also have the epoptes updates for ltsp19
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| 05:34 | <vagrantc> i thought 16.04 went out of support ... 5-6 months ago?
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| 05:35 | <alkisg> Ubuntu 16.04.6 LTS Xenial Xerus Changes February 28, 2019 April 2021 April 2024
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| 05:35 | 2021 = for most, 2024 = extended
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| 05:35 | <vagrantc> so LTS is supported for longer than 5 years?
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| 05:35 | <alkisg> 2016 + 5 = 2021,
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| 05:35 | and there's extended support after that
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| 05:35 | But I only care about standard support
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| 05:36 | <vagrantc> clearly your aritmatic is better than mine right now :)
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| 05:36 | <alkisg> :D
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| 05:36 | <vagrantc> maybe always
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| 05:36 | <alkisg> Mornings > Evenings! :D
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| 05:37 | I think you were thinking about 14.04, which went out of support a few months ago
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| 05:41 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i guess i'm getting younger, always wanting to upgrade to the newest things.
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| 05:41 | * vagrantc was used to being the one always worried about backwards compatibility | |
| 05:42 | <vagrantc> alkisg: doesn't 16.04 have a backport of debhelper or something?
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| 05:42 | <alkisg> vagrantc: anyways, any harm done if I revert this until xenial etc are out of support?
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| 05:42 | They have debhelper 10, but it's difficult to pull it in ppas
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| 05:43 | <vagrantc> debhelper 10 even probably "supports" 11.
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| 05:43 | or at least, a prerelease of it
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| 05:44 | <alkisg> I'm not sure what "supports" means in this context; won't build fail with "can't install debhelper >= 11"?
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| 05:44 | Are we using any recent feature of debhelper?
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| 05:44 | <vagrantc> explicitly, no, implicitly, yes.
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| 05:44 | <alkisg> AFAIK I used the older method for systemd units, which also works in 9
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| 05:46 | <alkisg> To sum up, you're OK if I revert to 10, but you worry if I revert to 9?
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| 05:46 | * vagrantc is too tired to take a meaningful look :/ | |
| 05:47 | <alkisg> No worries. Since you're not building anything currently, I can just revert it, and we can bump it again when debian needs another release
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| 05:48 | It's not affecting debian directly, unless you want to do a backport from the original tree
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| 05:48 | Stretch/Jessie users can use the PPA, I'll test it as well
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| 05:51 | <vagrantc> i can also just maintain a separate tree for debian for these things in general
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| 05:51 | it's generally not too hard to do for debhelper compatibility bumps
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| 05:51 | <alkisg> I think that would be best; I could put the debian dir upstream there too, for the 3 packages I maintain, so that they're the same...
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| 05:51 | ltsp19, epoptes, sch-scripts => have debian in upstream source, it's so much easier for me
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| 05:52 | Currently only epoptes has debian/ elsewhere
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| 05:52 | <vagrantc> oh, that will be harder on my end, but ok.
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| 05:52 | * alkisg wonders if he can just copy debian/, or some git magic is needed, for history... | |
| 05:53 | <vagrantc> no magic...
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| 05:53 | oh, this is one of those split out the two roles and now you want to merge it back things...
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| 05:54 | yeah, that's harder.
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| 05:57 | i think the biggest debhelper thing after quickly glancing at it were autoreconf by default, but epoptes doesn't use that... ltsp 5.x did.
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| 05:58 | * alkisg remembers no changes after the last debhelper 9 builds... so guesses it'll build fine again there | |
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| 06:09 | <alkisg> Pushed + invoked recipe, will test when it's done
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| 08:33 | <nithish> hi there
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| 08:33 | <alkisg> Hi nithish
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| 08:34 | <nithish> i have a problem in ltsp ubuntu 18.04
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| 08:34 | terminal user cannot run sudo privilage
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| 08:34 | <alkisg> !LDM_PASSWORD_HASH
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| 08:34 | <ltsp> LDM_PASSWORD_HASH: LDM_PASSWORD_HASH=True in lts.conf saves the password hash to /etc/shadow on login, so that the users can unlock the screensaver etc. If they happen to change their password though, that only takes effect until logout.
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| 08:35 | <nithish> okey how to find lts.conf
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| 08:37 | <alkisg> !lts.conf
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| 08:37 | <ltsp> lts.conf: (#1) http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf, or (#2) lts.conf manpage is available in the ltsp-docs package
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| 08:37 | <alkisg> It's in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf etc
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| 10:52 | <nithish> hi
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