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Channel log from 25 July 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 04:07 | <antgel> hi all. am in a bit of a pickle. remotely upgraded ltsp server from debian lenny to squeeze and ltsp is broken. looks like an issue with tftpd-hpa - clients report file not found. anybody know offhand of anything that changed?
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| 04:09 | i can see tftpd is no longer being started by inetd and has its own config file
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| 04:09 | grr - couldn't see this in docs
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| 04:11 | and it's listening on /srv/tftp not /var/lib/tftpboot
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| 04:11 | anyone know if this is documented anywhere? otherwise i think users could get a surprise when squeeze is released
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| 07:15 | <ballongen> is ltsp-server-standalone package on ubuntu ltsp5 or ltsp4?
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| 07:29 | <lotharn> yo
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| 08:08 | <dekelev> hi. Is there something else besides MIC_VOLUME to control the default mic volume level at the client ?
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| 09:48 | <alkisg> dekelev: run `amixer -c0 scontents` *locally* in your client to see a list of controls (which in turn can be configured from lts.conf)
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| 09:51 | (e.g. you may need "MIC_BOOST_SWITCH=on")
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| 09:51 | <dekelev> hi alkisg
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| 09:51 | <alkisg> Hi
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| 09:52 | <dekelev> I'm asking this because when I set MIC_VOLUME=0 for example, I reboot client and mic volume stays the same
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| 09:53 | <alkisg> distro/version?
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| 09:53 | ballongen: recent ubuntu versions contain ltsp 5
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| 09:54 | <dekelev> ubuntu 10.04
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| 09:54 | <alkisg> !localxterm
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| 09:54 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: "localxterm" :: while sitting on a thin client, open a gnome terminal. In that, run: ltsp-localapps xterm. An xterm will open. That xterm runs locally, so any commands you enter there are executed directly on the client.
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| 09:55 | <alkisg> dekelev: on a localxterm (see above), run: getltscfg -a
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| 09:55 | ...and paste the contents to pastebin
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| 09:55 | <dekelev> ok
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| 10:02 | <dekelev> ok, so I couldn't copy xterm content, but I saw there MIC_VOLUME="30" & FRONT_MIC_VOLUME="30"
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| 10:04 | <alkisg> (in X windows, middle mouse click copies just by selecting stuff, no need to copy/paste)
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| 10:04 | <dekelev> but If I click on speaker icon in gnome panel and go to 'Sound Preferences', I see mic volume around 85%
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| 10:04 | <alkisg> OK, and what about: amixer -c0 scontents
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| 10:04 | (again, locally)
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| 10:04 | <dekelev> I'll try them both and paste to pastebin
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| 10:10 | <dekelev> how do I paste to pastebin?
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| 10:10 | <alkisg> !pastebot
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| 10:10 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: "pastebot" :: The LTSP pastebot is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 10:11 | <dekelev> I pasted getltscfg -a output
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| 10:11 | but on amixer command I got 'Invalid card number'
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| 10:11 | <alkisg> So that's the problem then
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| 10:12 | Which sound card is that? Can you see it with lspci ?
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| 10:13 | btw, does this run ok? amixer scontents
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| 10:15 | <dekelev> I'v paste lspci output
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| 10:16 | <alkisg> Seems ok, does `amixer scontents` (without -c0) run ok?
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| 10:16 | Or does it say "invalid card number" too?
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| 10:17 | <dekelev> amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory
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| 10:17 | this is the error from amixer scontents
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| 10:17 | I had this issue with all my test clients
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| 10:17 | <alkisg> That doesn't look good. Did you mess with the setup, while trying to set up twinkle or something?
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| 10:19 | Anyway, so the problem is that amixer isn't working, but I don't know how you can fix it, it's beyond my sound skills. Try to find Gadi for that :)
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| 10:20 | <dekelev> might be, but It's a test server anyway so maybe it best if I leave it and just hope that with production server it won't happen
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| 10:21 | thanks for the time!
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| 10:21 | :)
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| 10:21 | <alkisg> np
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| 10:23 | <ballongen> alkis: oh, nice. thanks
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| 10:23 | do i need a tftpd server for ubuntu ltsp-complete package?
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| 10:24 | <alkisg> No, ltsp-server depends on tftpd-hpa, so it'll be automatically installed
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| 10:24 | The easiest way is to installed with the alternate cd, and press "F4 => install an ltsp server"
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| 10:24 | <ballongen> i thought so, thanks
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| 10:24 | yeah, but i want it on my ubuntu-desktop
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| 10:25 | <alkisg> OK, then "sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone" and "sudo ltsp-build-client"
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| 10:26 | <ballongen> yeah did that. i think my problems is in my router. i get TFTP...... and then PXE-E11 ARP Timeout TFTP cannot open connection
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| 10:26 | <alkisg> Do you have a dhcp server in your router?
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| 10:27 | and, 2 nics on the ltsp server or just 1?
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| 10:27 | <ballongen> i'm not using the most ideal method. :) I have a linksys router with DD-WRT. singel nic on ubuntu. using dhcp-option=13,25
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| 10:27 | dhcp-option=66,172.20.20.200
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| 10:27 | dhcp-boot=pxelinux.0,172.20.20.200 on the router
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| 10:28 | i know i need to read the manual more. :)
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| 10:29 | <alkisg> I'm not familiar with that syntax, but the default boot filename is /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0, not just pxelinu.x0
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| 10:30 | <ballongen> i will try it
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| 10:30 | <alkisg> (btw in that case you didn't need to install ltsp-server-standalone, but ltsp-server, as you don't need a dhcp server in the ltsp server)
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| 10:30 | <ballongen> ohh
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| 10:30 | well, already done
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| 10:30 | <alkisg> So if you installed ltsp-server-standalone, that might be interfering with your router
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| 10:31 | Just run this: sudo apt-get install ltsp-server
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| 10:31 | <ballongen> don't i need to ocnfigure the dhcpserver for it to be activated?
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| 10:31 | <alkisg> (that will just mark it as manually installed)
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| 10:31 | <ballongen> Sorry for my swenglish. :)
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| 10:31 | <alkisg> and: sudo apt-get purge --autoremove ltsp-server-standalone
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| 10:31 | (that will get rid of the dhcp3-server)
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| 10:31 | <ballongen> only?
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| 10:31 | <alkisg> No problem, my greeknglish aren't any better :D
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| 10:31 | Yes, only those 2 commands, you don't need to rebuild anything
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| 10:32 | <ballongen> sweet
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| 10:32 | is the flag --autoremove correct?
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| 10:33 | <alkisg> Maybe it needs an extra dash
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| 10:33 | --auto-remove ?
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| 10:33 | <ballongen> doh!
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| 10:33 | <alkisg> (I never remember that one correctly :()
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| 10:33 | <ballongen> ok done
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| 10:34 | <alkisg> OK, go on with the testing, I'll be back in 10'
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| 10:34 | <ballongen> gr8
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| 13:45 | * helmchyn wants to set up Debian/LTSP in a local youth club | |
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| 13:46 | <helmchyn> in the moment we are running Edubuntu with ltsp, but its a very old installation and i'm convinced debian will be easier to administer
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| 13:46 | (well at least for me)
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| 13:46 | however
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| 13:46 | i've noticed that our low-end thinclients can give a "smoother" x-environment
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| 13:46 | when run via XDMCP
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| 13:47 | instead of tunneling X via ssh
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| 13:47 | is there a way to re-enable ssh-free XDMCP in LTSP-5 ?
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| 13:50 | (i'd be happy with a negative answear too, if there is no trivial way i mean)
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| 13:50 | <helmchyn> ...because of course there is >some< way ;-)
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| 13:52 | <alkisg> helmchyn: read about LDM_DIRECTX=True in the ltsp manual (see the channel topic)
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| 13:52 | I don't think debian will be any easier to administer, it's more or less the same, but go ahead and try it.
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| 13:54 | What are your client specs? (ram + cpu)?
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| 13:55 | <helmchyn> alkisg: oh, i did experience heavy problems with ubuntu-release upgrades in the past, and i've been confronted with users who'd like to have more up to date software than the Ubuntu-LongTerm release can provide
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| 13:56 | in the moment we use quiet heavy machines, with something like a 1.1GHz Celeron, and RAM downgraded to 64 - 128 MB
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| 13:57 | But I'am experimenting with a HP-Thinclient here, which uses some 600MHz Transmeta-CPU
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| 13:57 | (which probably could not compete with a Pentium 90)
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| 13:59 | <helmchyn> and lets not forget, that a dozend Clients are also some burden to the Server
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| 13:59 | ...espeacialy with youtube videos running on them and stuff
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| 13:59 | <alkisg> Np - I don't think debian stable will have more up-to-date software than ubuntu though, and I don't think `testing` will be more stable than LTS, as LTS comes from testing + stabilizing... But, since I haven't actually tried debian + ltsp, I can't say for sure
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| 13:59 | 64MB is the absolute minimum, if you can put 128mb to all of them it'd be better
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| 14:00 | Don't look for XDMCP, a LDM_DIRECTX=true in lts.conf is all you need
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| 14:00 | <helmchyn> oh, yeah i think we actually can do that ;-)
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| 14:00 | <alkisg> And a gigabit network is mandatory for videos etc
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| 14:02 | <helmchyn> thank you much for the DIRECTX-Option, exactly what i needed
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| 14:03 | you are basically true about most of the software... up-to-dateness.... in Debian
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| 14:03 | but
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| 14:04 | debian stable is normally uses newer software, than say, a two year old Ubuntu-LTS and I can apt-pin packets from the testing and unstable releases
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| 14:05 | while apt-pinning to a newer release in ubuntu.... is not a thing you ever want to do
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| 14:05 | too much dependency-foo
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| 14:06 | yeah whatever... that's just my opinion
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| 14:06 | <alkisg> I'll pass, I don't think I have the expertise to go to an in-depth comparison of ubuntu vs debian :)
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| 14:06 | <helmchyn> would be wearisome for both of us anyway
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| 14:07 | just thought somebody myght care about the pros and cons ;-)
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| 14:07 | <alkisg> I do like the PPAs offered by launchpad though
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| 14:07 | They allow me to publish newer software to automatically go to all schools here
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| 14:08 | <helmchyn> yeah, in the moment we run the PPA for OpenOffice
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| 14:09 | <alkisg> We have a central PPA where we copy all the software we need from other PPAs, so that it automatically gets installed to dozens of schools without them changing their sources
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| 14:09 | Anyway, debian-policy + apt == magic :)
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| 14:09 | I'll leave it to that
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| 16:31 | <AndyGraybeal> should i use ext3 with ltsp?
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| 16:32 | or is ext4 fine?
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| 16:32 | i'd like to install ubuntu 10.04
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| 16:34 | <muppis> ext4 is just fine
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| 16:35 | <AndyGraybeal> thank you muppis
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| 17:10 | <kb8wmc> looking for some help installing LTSP on PCLOS 2009 box
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| 17:30 | <atomic007za> hi
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| 17:32 | Anyone here successfully running 10.04 edubuntu bia LTSP
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| 17:32 | ?
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| 17:50 | <atomic007za> I have 35 thin clints on a server, the Server is an i7 CPU, 8 gigs of RAM, Gig NIC and network. the Clients are 100 meg NIC
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| 17:51 | when the CLinets login they freeze either during boot up or in an application
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| 17:52 | <atomic007za> I have looked @ the graphs and Mem CPU and NIC seem very quiet
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| 17:52 | Please let me know where I could start looking
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| 17:52 | Will be back in the morning, Thanks in advance
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| 17:53 | Sorry running 10.04 64 bit and clients 32bit,
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| 20:17 | <talntid2> Anyone here have problems with firefox 3.6 on ltsp
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| 20:17 | ?
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| 20:19 | it loads ultra slow
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| 21:06 | <Nyha> I want to know if there are any good software to monitor the clients desktops
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