IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 19 September 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 10:29 | <vmu> Has anyone experiencein upgrading from ltsp 4.2 to ltsp 5 on gentoo?
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| 10:31 | <jconlon> I am having a very hard time with a hp t5135 thin client, it has a via eden chipset, but I am only able to make it work with vesa drivers. I have tried XSERVER=via, and XSERVER=openchrome in lts.conf, but client just crashes. If I try to install proprietary drivers in chroot, I get all kinds of error messages. Any ideas?
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| 11:32 | <jconlon> Anyone got time to help with some hp t5135 thin clients that only want to work with the vesa driver?
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| 12:27 | <johnny> you have to install some of the drivers on the server too
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| 12:27 | atleas with nvidia
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| 12:28 | if they are powerful enough, try running them as fat client jconlon
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| 12:28 | how much ram and cpu do they have?
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| 12:28 | even if it's not worth running them permanently that way, it might be worth it for a test
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| 15:22 | <vmu> Experience in upgrading from ltsp 4.2 to ltsp 5 on gentoo, anyone?
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| 15:23 | <johnny> there's no upgrading
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| 15:23 | it's a complete replacement
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| 15:23 | the only thing compatible is the lts.conf file
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| 15:24 | the rest is so different you might as well call it a different program almost
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| 15:24 | so. it's not really upgradable
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| 15:24 | you would just have to build a totally new chroot
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| 15:25 | <vmu> johnny: ok, sounds like a lot of work ..
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| 15:26 | <johnny> well, it's what everybody else had to do when moving to ltsp 5, as it went from custom distro to using distro's own tools
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| 15:26 | <vmu> ... but is it really worth it? (never change a running ...)
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| 15:26 | <johnny> also.. ltsp5 needs a new maintainer
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| 15:26 | i wrote it, but i don't have a gentoo machine
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| 16:02 | <jammcq> hey friends
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| 17:39 | <markit> Going to sleep mode :) hi jammcq, you started ltsp right? Thanks a lot for your brilliant idea and this stunning project
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| 17:39 | <jammcq> markit: yep
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| 17:39 | no prob, glad you are getting some use out of it
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| 17:39 | <markit> I remember you some years ago, when I tried 4.something
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| 17:39 | <jammcq> 4.2 was the last release that I was really involved in
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| 17:39 | <markit> was new to GNU/linux laso, I was shocked to be able to find such an important person in IRC
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| 17:40 | <jammcq> since then, lots of awesome people have come in and done a great job moving ltsp forward
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| 17:40 | <markit> I mean, was helped by the author himself
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| 17:40 | <jammcq> heh
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| 17:40 | <markit> are you still involved in the development?
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| 17:41 | <jammcq> not so much
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| 17:41 | <markit> in any case, 5.x was a very good move
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| 17:41 | <jammcq> I mostly watch these guys do all the cool stuff
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| 17:41 | <markit> because you can relay on distro builds
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| 17:41 | hehehe
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| 17:41 | <jammcq> yeah, we're quite happy with the direction that it's headed
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| 17:42 | <markit> you deserve the merit of having started all this :) thanks and good night, happy to have talked with you again
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| 17:42 | <jammcq> :)
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| 17:42 | thanks, sleep well
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| 17:42 | <ogra_cmpc> jammcq, hey
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| 17:43 | <jammcq> hey ogra_cmpc
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| 17:43 | how's it going?
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| 17:43 | <ogra_cmpc> i havent booked my flight from boston to bangor yet, but you can count me in i think
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| 17:44 | if i can anyhow find my way from bangor to sw harbor at least :)
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| 17:44 | going fine otherwise
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| 17:44 | <jammcq> ah, that's fantastic
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| 17:44 | I need to talk to Jorge too. try and get him to join us
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| 17:44 | <ogra_cmpc> i pinged him already and he said he'd think about it
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| 17:45 | <ogra_cmpc> (his typical vague answer)
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| 17:45 | <jammcq> he only lives about 10 miles from me, and i think you have more contact with him :)
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| 17:45 | <ogra_cmpc> heh, yeah and more force *g*
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| 17:47 | <jammcq> i'm trying to contact dtrask too, but so far, my emails have gone unanswered
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| 17:47 | <ogra_cmpc> bah
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| 17:47 | any news from Gadi ?
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| 17:47 | <jammcq> he said he'd try to make it but hasn't made arrangements yet
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| 17:48 | he said he always makes those arrangement at the last minute
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| 17:48 | <ogra_cmpc> well, as long as he doesnt produce kids last minute again ;)
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| 17:48 | <jammcq> ragnar said he'd join us again
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| 17:48 | <ogra_cmpc> YAY !!!
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| 17:48 | <jammcq> yeah, i don't think that'll be a problem this year
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| 17:48 | <ogra_cmpc> thats awesome
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| 17:49 | <jammcq> not enough leadtime for gadi to produce another :)
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| 17:49 | <ogra_cmpc> how about vagrant ?
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| 17:49 | heh, zou never know
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| 17:49 | s/zou/you
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| 17:52 | * ogra_cmpc does a real US roundtrip in oct/nov ... dallas, orlando, boston, maine, boston ... | |
| 17:52 | <ogra_cmpc> susie already hates me for it
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| 17:52 | <jammcq> give her something nice for christmas, and she'll forget all about it
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| 17:52 | <ogra_cmpc> heh
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| 17:53 | she's a woman ... they never forget
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| 17:53 | but yes, i'll bribe her for sure
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| 17:53 | i upgraded my car btw ...
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| 17:53 | <jammcq> I saw some recent pictures
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| 17:53 | looked pretty sweet
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| 17:53 | <ogra_cmpc> yeah
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| 17:53 | <jammcq> too bad you can't bring it with you
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| 17:54 | or have it bring you
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| 17:54 | <ogra_cmpc> my old one needed a new blinker...
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| 17:54 | so i bought one ... with a car attached ;)
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| 17:54 | hehe
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| 17:54 | <jammcq> heh
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| 17:54 | <ogra_cmpc> it brings me to all european appointments now at least
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| 17:55 | <jammcq> that can still be a long drive
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| 17:55 | <cole2> Hi All
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| 17:55 | <jammcq> fast tho
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| 17:55 | hey cole2
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| 17:55 | <ogra_cmpc> yup
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| 17:55 | <cole2> Can I ask a Question
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| 17:55 | <jammcq> sure
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| 17:55 | <cole2> I was wondering if there is a common cause for clients viewing javascript heavy webpages to slow right down
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| 17:56 | <jammcq> well... depends on what the javascript is doing
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| 17:56 | i've got some pretty crazy javascript apps and the users stay in the browser all day long, and it works quite well
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| 17:56 | <ogra_cmpc> javascript runs in your browser so indeed that puts some cpu load on
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| 17:56 | <cole2> ... The javascript im using is just website effects, fading images and the like
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| 17:57 | <ogra_cmpc> vs stuff that only happens on the webserver
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| 17:57 | <jammcq> I've got about 30 users all running firefox 3.6 with lots of javascript
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| 17:57 | ah
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| 17:57 | effects.... that's a whole different thing
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| 17:57 | * ogra_cmpc guesses thats rather the graphics than the javascript | |
| 17:57 | <jammcq> I use alot of jQuery, but I turn the fade effects off
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| 17:57 | <cole2> My thinking is that the issue is because the client only has an 8MB video card is this a valid conclusion?
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| 17:58 | <jammcq> well... could certainly be a factor
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| 17:58 | <ogra_cmpc> it's likely caching the graphics which uses a lot of X pixmap cache
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| 17:58 | <jammcq> it could be the X driver
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| 17:58 | <cole2> ... That lost me...
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| 17:58 | <ogra_cmpc> yeah
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| 17:58 | <jammcq> are the effects really important?
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| 17:59 | <cole2> That actually brings me to another question, is there anyway to tell what driver X is using for the graphics card
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| 17:59 | And unfortunitly i am a web designer, effects are very important
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| 18:00 | <jammcq> cole2: you need to enable a shell on the terminal and look at /var/log/Xorg.log
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| 18:00 | <ogra_cmpc> enable localapps and start an xterm attached to the client, then you csn read /var/log/Xorg.0.log in that term
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| 18:00 | <cole2> Already have a shell what am i looking for?
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| 18:00 | <ogra_cmpc> iirc ther was something inthe docs for it
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| 18:00 | oh,if you have a shell, just look at the above file
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| 18:01 | the driver will be mentioned somewhere in ther
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| 18:01 | e
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| 18:01 | <jammcq> scroll down about 100 lines in the file and you'll start seeing things like: (II) fglrx(0): .....
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| 18:01 | but 'fglrx' will likely be different on yours
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| 18:02 | <cole2> Ive just dropped the file into my server so i can examine it with an easy editor\
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| 18:04 | ... Xorg.0.log only has 15 lines
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| 18:04 | <jammcq> hmmm
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| 18:05 | <cole2> Xorg.7.log has a bunch of stuff in it\
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| 18:05 | <ogra_cmpc> try that then\
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| 18:06 | <cole2> I have "Matched Driver ati as autoconfigured driver 0"
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| 18:06 | and again for "vesa" and "fbdev"
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| 18:06 | <ogra_cmpc> and the client has an ati card ?
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| 18:07 | <cole2> client has ati Rage XL
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| 18:07 | according to LSPCI
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| 18:07 | <ogra_cmpc> then ati sounds ok
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| 18:07 | not sure if that old card is still supported by your driver indeed
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| 18:07 | rage is pretty much 1990's
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| 18:08 | if it falls back to vesa that might explain the slowness
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| 18:09 | <cole2> ... The client i am using is a HP T5700, I dont know if that makes a difference
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| 18:10 | is this "MACH64: Driver for ATI Mach64 chipsets" anything to concerned about
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| 18:11 | <jammcq> no
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| 18:11 | <ogra_cmpc> well, if thats really used, thats the best driver for the card i think
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| 18:11 | <jammcq> doesn't that machine have like a 300Mhz chip in it?
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| 18:11 | or 500Mhz
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| 18:12 | that's more likely the performance bottleneck
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| 18:12 | <cole2> 1GHZ Processor and 512M ram
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| 18:13 | it has XP Embedded loaded into the solid state drive
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| 18:13 | But im using them purely as network machines
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| 18:13 | <ogra_cmpc> any localapps ?
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| 18:13 | <cole2> no.
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| 18:13 | * ogra_cmpc would run firefox locally on such machines | |
| 18:14 | <cole2> Potential Permormance increase?
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| 18:14 | <ogra_cmpc> of rthings like flash at least
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| 18:14 | *for
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| 18:16 | <cole2> Ive actually just tried Chromium and noticed Slight increase in performance in javascript. Also using firefox i have never noticed issues with flash, in youtube
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| 18:16 | I will try local Firefox and see how i get on.
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| 18:21 | <highvoltage> holas
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| 18:21 | * ogra_cmpc goes to bed now | |
| 18:22 | <highvoltage> goodnight ogra_cmpc
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| 18:22 | <ogra_cmpc> night
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| 18:22 | <jammcq> highvoltage: hey
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| 18:22 | <highvoltage> hey jammcq. how are things? how is scott? he's been super-quiet recently
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| 18:23 | <alkisg> cole2: LDM_DIRECTX=true will also get you performance at a security cost, see the docs for more (link at the channel topic)
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| 18:23 | <jammcq> highvoltage: yeah. I talked to him last week. he goes through periods of extreme busy-ness at work
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| 18:23 | <alkisg> jammcq: good to hear that, I was worried about Scotty :)
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| 18:24 | <ogra_cmpc> alkisg, what about you? will we see you at BTS ?
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| 18:24 | its about time you come
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| 18:24 | <alkisg> Hey ogra_cmpc, no unfortunately it didn't work out, I won't make it ... :(
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| 18:24 | <ogra_cmpc> bah
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| 18:24 | <alkisg> I was looking forward to meeting you all in person :(
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| 18:24 | * jammcq still thinks we need a LTSP developer event in europe | |
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| 18:25 | <alkisg> jammcq++
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| 18:25 | <ogra_cmpc> jammcq, lets talk aboout that in bar harbor ;)
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| 18:25 | <jammcq> ogra_cmpc: will that car carry you to greece ?
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| 18:25 | <ogra_cmpc> good topic for us old farts that dont do development anymore
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| 18:26 | <alkisg> I think we can organize a beautiful summer BTS at a Greek island... :D
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| 18:26 | <ogra_cmpc> that car will bring me anywhere where you have a flat road :)
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| 18:26 | * jammcq would really enjoy that | |
| 18:26 | <ogra_cmpc> (cant be to bumpy though... not much legroom)
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| 18:28 | (less than 7" below the body with the new one)
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| 18:30 | <highvoltage> jammcq: he'll be at BTS at least, right?
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| 18:30 | <jammcq> highvoltage: yep
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| 18:30 | <ogra_cmpc> highvoltage, sure
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| 18:30 | <jammcq> you mean scotty?
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| 18:30 | <highvoltage> yep
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| 18:31 | <jammcq> yeah, he'll fly to detroit, then we'll drive out together
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| 18:31 | but first, we'll be seeing Roger Waters do "The Wall" live
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| 18:32 | <highvoltage> oooh!
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| 18:33 | <jammcq> ogra was here 4 years ago when we saw him do Dark side of the moon
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| 18:33 | <highvoltage> that's like, one of the biggest live shows to see ever
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| 18:33 | I'd try to make it if it wasn't UDS time.... perhaps in 4 years :)
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| 18:35 | <ogra_cmpc> jammcq, in detroit again ?
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| 18:35 | highvoltage, also the last one of him
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| 18:35 | its his final tour
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| 18:35 | <jammcq> ogra_cmpc: yep
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| 18:35 | <ogra_cmpc> gah
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| 18:35 | <jammcq> final? heh
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| 18:35 | <ogra_cmpc> i wish i could come
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| 18:35 | well, he said so
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| 18:36 | <highvoltage> ogra_cmpc: ouch :(
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| 18:36 | <ogra_cmpc> ok, anyway ... really bed now :)
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| 18:36 | <jammcq> ciao
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| 18:36 | <highvoltage> we have this one band in South Africa, every performance for the last 8 years have been their last-performance-no-really show :)
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| 18:37 | * jammcq has seen the Doobie Brothers farewell tour 3 times already | |
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