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Channel log from 14 October 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 06:44 | <Scix> How can I configure the screen resolution on a klient to be set automaticly when X starts? Using a Ubuntu 8.04 TS
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| 06:45 | <ogra> it happens automatically
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| 06:45 | inless you fiddle with lts.conf
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| 06:45 | *unless
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| 06:51 | <Scix> Can it hva something to do with VMware Workstation maybe?
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| 06:51 | *have :)
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| 06:52 | <ogra> the X detection asks the monitor for its DDC values ... no idea what vmware reports there
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| 06:54 | <nubae> where does one define the default session ldm should use?
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| 06:54 | <ogra> depends
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| 06:55 | by default it uses the default session of your server, so whatever you define there will be used ... distro specific ...
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| 06:55 | then you can additionally override it with LDM_SESSION in lts.conf to point to a particular session manager
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| 06:56 | which is not distro specific
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| 06:56 | <nubae> nah, I need to keep using ldm, but want to get it to use a sugar session, so I do that on the server then
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| 06:57 | <ogra> if sugar comes with a session manager and ou are on a debian or ubuntu system, update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
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| 06:57 | no idea what fedora uses
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| 06:57 | or even gentoo
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| 06:57 | <nubae> yeah its ubuntu
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| 06:57 | sugar packages are finally totally up to date
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| 06:58 | <ogra> yes, i saw the import
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| 06:59 | <nubae> I'm curious if the jabber collaboration stuff will work over ltsp
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| 06:59 | but I dont see why not
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| 07:02 | <nubae> yeah sugar doesnt have a session manager it seems
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| 07:03 | <ogra> so you need LDM_SESSION
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| 07:03 | you could also create ~/.xsession if its only one user
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| 07:05 | <nubae> well can try for one user to begin with...
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| 07:10 | <cyberorg> nubae, it does, check /usr/share/xsessions/sugar.desktop
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| 07:10 | you can also use LDM_SESSION=/usr/bin/sugar-shell
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| 07:13 | <ogra> well, then the packaging is broken
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| 07:14 | <nubae> yeah its there, but update-alternatives session manager doesnt work
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| 07:14 | <ogra> the package needs to provide x-session-manager and set an alternative
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| 07:14 | if it really has a session manager
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| 07:14 | <nubae> well, starting up sugar-shell gives me the shell only, without any activities... is it that way on OpenSuse too?
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| 07:16 | Ive installed sugar and sugar-activities, I probably have something missing, even though thats all one should install according to sugar wiki
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| 07:18 | <cyberorg> nubae, nope, it should give activities too
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| 07:18 | <nubae> then it be broken
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| 07:18 | <cyberorg> nubae, you might need "dbus-launch sugar-shell"
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| 07:19 | <nubae> hmm no exec
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| 07:19 | ?
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| 07:19 | <ogra> in the .desktop ?
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| 07:19 | <nubae> well Ill try it in a .xsession first
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| 07:20 | nope no activities panel
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| 07:21 | well, have to go, will fiddle around with this later
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| 07:33 | <loca|host> hello all
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| 07:34 | i want to change the screen resolution in my 'kiosk' ltsp thin client, but when i chroot to my i386/ i find no xorg.conf in /etx/X11
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| 07:35 | <alkisg> Guys, to try to debug the ldm translation, is there anyway to insert a /bin/sh inside the ldm script, but the environment variables which I will manually modify inside the shell to be preserved (=returned) to the script?
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| 07:36 | loca|host, which distro?
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| 07:36 | <loca|host> Ubuntu
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| 07:36 | <alkisg> version?
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| 07:36 | <loca|host> i've installed the LTSP server with the kiosk plugin
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| 07:36 | <alkisg> No, ubuntu version?
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| 07:36 | <loca|host> Ubuntu 8.04.1
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| 07:37 | <alkisg> X_MODE_0=1024x768 in lts.conf
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| 07:37 | /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 07:37 | <loca|host> i have no lts.conf there
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| 07:38 | i have these: abi-2.6.24-16-generic initrd.img-2.6.24-16-generic nbi.img-2.6.24-16-generic System.map-2.6.24-16-generic .......
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| 07:38 | <alkisg> You have to create one, and put a [Default] line on top
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| 07:38 | Let me find you some documentation on this...
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| 07:39 | !lts.conf
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| 07:39 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "lts.conf" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtsConf
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| 07:39 | <alkisg> Heh... go it! :)
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| 07:39 | *got
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| 07:40 | <loca|host> thanks man
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| 07:40 | <alkisg> no problem! :)
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| 07:56 | <ogra> alkisg, ldm translation is fixed
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| 07:56 | <alkisg> ogra, wow, downloading.. :)
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| 07:56 | <ogra> i added some parsing to the initscript of ltsp-client
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| 07:57 | so it should set LANG and locale correctly to teh one your server uses on new builds
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| 07:57 | <alkisg> Thanks man!!! I'll post for feedback later on.
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| 07:58 | <ogra> it works in german ... kind of
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| 07:59 | <ogra> problem is that you need to install the gnome-langpack for your language in teh chroot if you want all UI parts translated
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| 07:59 | some buttons rely on the gtk translations to be there
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| 07:59 | <alkisg> Like, the preferences etc button? OK, these are minor... :)
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| 07:59 | <ogra> preferenc and close atm
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| 08:00 | err, cancel, not close
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| 08:00 | <alkisg> No problem, the problem was the "username" and "password" parts especially on very young students
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| 08:00 | * ogra needs to fix the UI, its way to jumpy | |
| 08:01 | * alkisg is rebooting to complete the new updates... :) | |
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| 08:01 | <ogra> the input box suddenly jumps around according to the size of the string, i remember i had used a fixed width for it
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| 08:02 | * vagrantc wonders if that was the patch that cyberorg made that Ryan52 applied | |
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| 08:04 | <ogra> vagrantc, i havent looked at the UI for a while
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| 08:05 | <ltsppbot> "cyberorg" pasted "openssue ldm input field patch?" (32 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/34
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| 08:05 | <vagrantc> ogra: 913 in ldm-trunk
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| 08:05 | <ogra> me fires up olive
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| 08:06 | <vagrantc> GUIs, eh?
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| 08:07 | <ogra> hmm
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| 08:07 | it shows a lot but not the revision number ?!?
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| 08:07 | ah
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| 08:07 | * vagrantc puts trust in commandline tools | |
| 08:07 | <ogra> i missed a checkbox
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| 08:10 | <vagrantc> stgraber, sbalneav, ogra: how big of a deal was the cdpinger segfault issue fixed in 0.5.5 ?
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| 08:10 | is it something i should definitely try to get into lenny?
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| 08:10 | <ogra> i havent seen cdpinger not working here
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| 08:10 | it works fine on hardy for me
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| 08:11 | <vagrantc> i haven't had any problems with it either ...
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| 08:11 | <ogra> yeah, that fix is crap
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| 08:11 | <vagrantc> just wondering what the case is where it comes up
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| 08:11 | <ogra> (ldm)
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| 08:12 | we need a fixed minimal size for the label
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| 08:12 | * ogra goes to dig into that and if he finds time will also fix the vertical position relative to the input box | |
| 08:13 | <ogra> actually the whole code is crappy :) ... i knew that when i first wrote it :P
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| 08:13 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 08:14 | <cyberorg> good thing i dont understand any of it ;)
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| 08:19 | <ogra> we should really use a two column table that span over the whole width i think so the label is completely independent from the input field
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| 08:19 | *spans
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| 08:19 | * ogra tries that quickly in python | |
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| 08:21 | <ogra> grmbl !
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| 08:21 | CURLY BRACKETS ARE USEFUL
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| 08:21 | !
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| 08:21 | !!
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| 08:21 | <ltspbot> ogra: Error: "!" is not a valid command.
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| 08:21 | <ogra> pfft you dont use curely brackets either silly python bot :P
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| 08:22 | <ogra> grrr
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| 08:22 | do we really need a style document in the tree ?
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| 08:23 | thats really annoying
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| 08:23 | * ogra wonders why we use LDM_12HOURCLOCK instead of properly reading the format from the locale | |
| 08:25 | <ogra> i think Gadi added that
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| 08:25 | <ogra> hamm, and there is still that old cancelbutton cruft cluttering the code
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| 08:25 | we never used that
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| 08:27 | <cyberorg> go ogra go!!
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| 08:27 | <jammcq> g'morning friends
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| 08:28 | * vagrantc waves | |
| 08:28 | <ogra> hey jammcq
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| 08:28 | <jammcq> hey ogra
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| 08:29 | <pscheie> hay jammcq
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| 08:29 | *hey*
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| 08:34 | <ogra> ok, cancelbutton code gone
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| 08:37 | <ogra> hmm, in the ltsp theme the label seems properly aligned
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| 08:38 | weird
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| 08:49 | <sbalneav> Morning all!
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| 08:49 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:49 | <sbalneav> Morning jammcq!
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| 08:49 | Someone's up 10 points in the polls, I see!
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| 08:50 | <jammcq> hehehehe
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| 08:50 | and someone else is DOWN 10 pts
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| 08:50 | <vagrantc> hrm. make-doc is in non-free. *sigh*
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| 08:50 | <sbalneav> Morning vagrantc
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| 08:50 | <vagrantc> hiya
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| 08:50 | <jammcq> wow, early for vagrantc
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| 08:50 | <sbalneav> We vote today.
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| 08:51 | <vagrantc> sun hasn't even risen yet.
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| 08:51 | * sbalneav looks out window | |
| 08:51 | <sbalneav> Sure it has :)
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| 08:51 | <jammcq> here too
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| 08:51 | <sbalneav> File a bug
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| 08:51 | <jammcq> the sun always rises
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| 08:51 | <vagrantc> it's like i live in another universe
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| 08:51 | <jammcq> vagrantc's crossed over to the dark side I guess
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| 08:52 | <sbalneav> +bug 53936358215 "Sun not rising consistently for all users"
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| 08:52 | <vagrantc> yeah, just to read some make documentation.
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| 08:52 | * ogra is just getting beaten up for not having session dbus support in ltsp sessions | |
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| 08:52 | <alkisg> ogra, Greek out of the box! If you ever come to Greece, you got all the beer you can drink! :P
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| 08:52 | <jammcq> but don't worry, this is one of those problems that will take care of itself if you leave it alone long enough
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| 08:52 | <ogra> alkisg, i'll quote you on that :)
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| 08:52 | <alkisg> heh!
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| 08:52 | <sbalneav> ogra: Who's beating you up?
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| 08:52 | <ogra> sbalneav, seb128
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| 08:53 | <ogra> sbalneav, and tedg ... we apparently use fusa instead of the logout dialog in intrepid
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| 08:53 | that was such a nice last minute decision :/
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| 08:53 | <sbalneav> Last time I checked, dbus doesn't have a "connect to remote" option
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| 08:53 | <ogra> and it can only communicate via dbus ... i'm writing patches for it since yesterday
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| 08:54 | we also have a uest session by default in ubuntu now
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| 08:54 | thats exposed through "change user" in fusa
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| 08:54 | so i try to find ways around all that, the guest session can only be spawned by gdm etc ...
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| 08:55 | fun
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| 08:55 | * ogra loves the fact that linux is a multiuser system ... | |
| 08:55 | <ogra> no, i'm not bitter, i only taste like that
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| 08:56 | <sbalneav> I'm trying to google "fusa", and I'm not finding anything useful.
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| 08:56 | <ogra> fast-user-switch-applet
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| 08:57 | <sbalneav> ahhhh
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| 08:57 | <ogra> http://gould.cx/ted/blog
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| 09:01 | http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ltsp_vbox.png
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| 09:14 | <vagrantc> "integrate in session management and IM status" huh?
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| 09:17 | <ltsppbot> "vagrantc" pasted "conditionally set udev priority when building on ubuntu" (33 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/35
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| 09:19 | <ogra> vagrantc, indeed that assumes that our buildds dont run fedora :)
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| 09:20 | <vagrantc> ogra: oh, i am making that assumption ...
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| 09:21 | ogra: is that not safe to make? :)
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| 09:21 | <ogra> lol
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| 09:21 | indeed it is
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| 09:21 | <vagrantc> what about the opensuse build service? :)
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| 09:23 | <ogra> no idea
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| 09:23 | and i dont really care
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| 09:23 | if users install ltspfs from there, thats their own fault
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| 09:33 | nubae, bte, there was just a fix for sugar uploaded (not sure you follow the intrepid-changes ML)
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| 09:59 | <nubae> about the cdpinger issue, seeing that problem in fatclient hardy... is it an ltspfs issue?
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| 10:00 | ogra: thanks, just saw dat.... lets hope it make sugar run with activities this time :D
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| 10:04 | <cyberorg> opensuse build service actually runs host OS in xen to build packges
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| 10:09 | <nubae> suuuper... sugar works on ltsp with 2 commands to install and an xsession change
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| 10:09 | cyberorg: did u test the telepathy and collaboration stuff?
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| 10:09 | <cyberorg> nubae, nope, i have no idea how to go about it
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| 10:10 | <nubae> well I can help u with that if u like, I worked on the XS server quite a bit
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| 10:11 | its just installing ejabberd and tweaking the client to use telepathy gabble
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| 10:11 | I'll see if I can get it working on buntu
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| 10:12 | <cyberorg> nubae, just do a small howto on a wiki/blog somewhere that i can follow :)
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| 10:21 | <nubae> and Nick Kendall is back...
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| 10:37 | <ogra> oh man
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| 10:37 | ldm is so broken
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| 10:38 | typing in a wrong pw gives me the weird ssh messages ?
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| 10:39 | erm, and didnt we have a fix that prevented hitting enter with an empty input box ?
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| 10:39 | what happened to that ?
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| 10:40 | <ogra> and why does it sit there for 10 secs telling me there was no resoponse from the server before restarting ?
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| 10:40 | phew
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| 10:42 | <nubae> would be nice for ldm to allow u to pick a user from a drop down list
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| 10:43 | <ogra> how would you implement that ?
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| 10:43 | where do you get that list ?
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| 10:45 | <nubae> /etc/passwd
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| 10:45 | <ogra> huh ?
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| 10:46 | how do you access /etc/passwd on the server ?
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| 10:46 | <nubae> well u'd have to hack something ugly I guess that drops all the users to a file (without passwords) and then read that
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| 10:47 | <ogra> fun for hackers :)
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| 10:47 | <cyberorg> yet another one for ldminfod
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| 10:47 | <ogra> you cant do that in a secure way
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| 10:47 | cyberorg, so what exactly is your input field patch supposed to do ?
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| 10:48 | <nubae> well, local apps needs the user list just the same, so do it in the way local apps does it
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| 10:48 | <cyberorg> ogra, it fixes location of input field for us, ours turned up on right hand side of the screen
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| 10:48 | * ogra really doesnt understand how moving away from a fixed value based on 1/2 logo with towards a danymic value should prevent the jumping | |
| 10:48 | <nubae> cyberorg: heh, funny... wonder why
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| 10:48 | <ogra> *width
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| 10:49 | cyberorg, but it breaks it for everyone else
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| 10:49 | <cyberorg> nubae, it can't, localapps is done after ssh socket is created
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| 10:49 | ogra, didnt know it was upstreamed, i am carrying the patch in my packages
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| 10:50 | <nubae> ok, then use sshkeys and grab it via ssh
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| 10:50 | <cyberorg> ogra, ldm-trunk is broken for both nubae and me
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| 10:50 | <nubae> very broken
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| 10:51 | <ogra> cyberorg, it works fine in intrepid, what is broken ?
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| 10:51 | <nubae> cycling ldm screen
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| 10:51 | <cyberorg> endless "creating ldm socket.." errors
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| 10:51 | <ogra> btw i'm pretty sure you would have had a clean fix if ou just changed the forced 180px logo size instead of hacking up half the greeter
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| 10:52 | <cyberorg> dont remember the exact error, nubae you remember?
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| 10:52 | <ogra> - if (lw < 180)
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| 10:52 | - lw = 180;
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| 10:52 | thats the only code you should have touched
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| 10:52 | <cyberorg> ogra, logo we are using is very wide
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| 10:52 | <ogra> gtk_widget_set_size_request(UserPrompt, -1, 0);
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| 10:52 | that definately breaks everything for everyone
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| 10:52 | <nubae> I tested it on intrepid a while ago, can try it again though
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| 10:53 | <ogra> cyberorg, right, so just raise the value or drop the check but dont break all elements
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| 10:53 | <nubae> that is installing ldm from ldm-trunk bzr, not the packaged one
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| 10:54 | <ogra> nubae, there is no difference
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| 10:54 | ldm 2.0.13 in ubuntu is exactly trunk
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| 10:54 | <nubae> then its been fixed, this was a good 3 weeks ago
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| 10:54 | <ogra> and it works fine here apart from what i mentioned above and the totally broken input field
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| 10:56 | <cyberorg> ogra, i think the first patch sent touched couple of lines only Ryan52 sent "improved" patch because label was not centered
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| 10:57 | nubae, i tested ldm 2.0.13_081007 which was broken too
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| 10:57 | last week
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| 10:57 | <nubae> well I can try testing that and seeing if its happening for me too
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| 10:58 | but if thats the one already in ubuntu...
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| 10:59 | <ogra> the ubuntu one had only one packaging change (to not strip translations) apart from that its 2.0.13
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| 11:02 | <cyberorg> nothing has changed in ldm since 7th, so our issue will still be there
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| 11:02 | <ogra> 7th ?
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| 11:02 | 4th you mean
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| 11:03 | 2.0.13 was tagged on oct 4th
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| 11:03 | <cyberorg> ogra, i tested snapshot on 7th
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| 11:05 | * cyberorg goes for dinner | |
| 11:05 | * ogra sighs about wasting a day on that | |
| 11:08 | <ogra> yep, reverting that fixes it
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| 11:09 | sigh
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| 11:09 | so please make sure to *not break* the standard themes if you want to add weird hacks for non stadard stuff first before commiting
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| 11:10 | * ogra wonders how to uncimmit that upstram now | |
| 11:11 | <nubae> why isnt that stuff just in the suse subfolder?
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| 11:12 | <ogra> there is no suse subfolder
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| 11:12 | <nubae> oh
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| 11:12 | <ogra> and suse refuses to go with the themeing that the ui uses atm
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| 11:13 | <nubae> but they could make one no?
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| 11:13 | ah right those changes must be made in ldm directly
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| 11:13 | <ogra> which is fine
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| 11:14 | but breaking themes for 5 distros to make one work that refuses to go with the standard is just not nice
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| 11:14 | <nubae> heh
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| 11:14 | <johnny> i think it's lame that it can't automatically resize
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| 11:14 | * ogra is massively upset having to spend a workday on that two weeks before release | |
| 11:15 | * johnny decides that he will never touch gtk theming | |
| 11:15 | <johnny> i'll stick with html + css thank you..
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| 11:15 | <ogra> johnny, right, it might be, but breaking it for everyone without even testing is not the thing to do
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| 11:15 | <johnny> i'm saying that it is lame that it was broken because of this
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| 11:15 | <ogra> especially if at least two distros here have a release by end of the month
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| 11:17 | <loather> yeah, fedora is set to be released in about a month
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| 11:18 | and i think the new debian hits shelves around then too.
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| 11:18 | (or was it already released?)
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| 11:18 | <johnny> no
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| 11:18 | they are 200 release critical bugs short
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| 11:18 | it might not be til next month or later..
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| 11:19 | unless they drop some packags
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| 11:19 | <loather> it's about time debian had a release though
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| 11:19 | some of the standard/default packages were *so old*
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| 11:19 | <ogra> loather, fedors should even be earlier, warren told me they release a week before ubuntu (which is due ptc 30th)
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| 11:19 | *oct
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| 11:20 | * johnny eats your release | |
| 11:20 | <loather> really? i heard 15 nov. but i could be wrong -- let me double-check
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| 11:20 | * ogra reverts and pushes | |
| 11:20 | <johnny> next motnh is november loather :)
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| 11:21 | <loather> 2008-11-25 Fedora 10 final release (General Availability) ah, i was wrong -- even later!
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| 11:21 | <ogra> stgraber, patch or FFe ?
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| 11:22 | <johnny> oh.. for fedora..
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| 11:22 | hmm.. i trashed my fedora 9 cd..
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| 11:22 | i thought it was gonna be sooner
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| 11:22 | oops..
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| 11:22 | <loather> heh, you know how fedora is though
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| 11:22 | <ogra> well, warren said they release before us
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| 11:22 | <johnny> thinking about switching my desktop to fedora for a bit
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| 11:23 | <loather> it'll take about 6 weeks for it to stabilize out
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| 11:23 | <ogra> but he probably mixed up the months
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| 11:23 | <nubae> maybe he means earlier than Jaunty :p
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| 11:23 | <johnny> that way maybe i can learn about how redhat distros work these days
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| 11:23 | been a long time..
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| 11:23 | <loather> so even after release i wouldn't install it right away if i wanted a system with all the bugs ironed out :P
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| 11:23 | <nubae> yah, fedora aint to bad lately
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| 11:24 | <johnny> maybe i'll install portage in a prefix if iget lonely
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| 11:24 | or bored
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| 11:24 | <loather> 7 was great, 8 and 9 have some issues -- 9 especially
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| 11:24 | <Lunks> Anybody has already had experience with booting LTSP fat clients over wireless?
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| 11:24 | <johnny> that sounds like a terrible idea..
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| 11:24 | <nubae> only me Lunks
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| 11:24 | <ogra> 10 will likely have more issues, the changes in Xorg were massive
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| 11:24 | <johnny> maybe i'm insane..
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| 11:24 | <nubae> and I believe asmo
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| 11:25 | <johnny> ogra, i'm already running xorg with no config file
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| 11:25 | in 1.5
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| 11:25 | works well so far :)
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| 11:25 | <loather> ogra: i know, i'm fearing it.
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| 11:25 | <ogra> johnny, and with forced hal-input ?
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| 11:25 | <johnny> ogra, i'm guessing so?
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| 11:25 | how can i verify?
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| 11:25 | <loather> forced hal-input? oh dear god.
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| 11:25 | <Lunks> I've found something similar on http://beta.arcig.cz/~eudoxos/eb-linux/, but it looks like it's a little outdated.
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| 11:25 | <ogra> shut down hal, restart X and see if you still can type, move your mouse or swtich consoles :P
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| 11:26 | if you can, you dont use hal
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| 11:26 | <Lunks> nubae: haha yeah, you just heard it, right? :>
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| 11:26 | <johnny> ogra, maybe later..
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| 11:26 | <ogra> loather, its cool :)
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| 11:26 | <johnny> is there some other way to know?
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| 11:26 | d-bus interfaces?
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| 11:26 | <ogra> lshal and look if your keyboard uses evdev in hal
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| 11:27 | loather, but its far from supporting all the devices xorg.conf did
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| 11:27 | <nubae> Lunks: ltsp fat client works with just one command, ltsp-build-client --fatclient <distro> --highfat
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| 11:27 | <loather> heh, *another* regression ;(
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| 11:27 | i'm all for new functionality
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| 11:27 | but leave the old stuff in place if you want to change it. phase it out later.
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| 11:28 | <johnny> sometimse that's impossible
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| 11:28 | <loather> no, sometimes it's more work.
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| 11:28 | not impossible. :)
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| 11:29 | <johnny> just because xorg released, doesn't mean distros have to integrate it either.
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| 11:29 | <loather> i dunno, lately i see a lot of changes to some well-defined, well-known behaviour that's been in place for 15 years
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| 11:29 | <johnny> i think that is a good thing when it comes to x..
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| 11:29 | as long as people integrate it responsibily
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| 11:29 | or hold off if it isn't ready
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| 11:30 | <nubae> yeah like network manager
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| 11:30 | <loather> well, with redhat driving most of the xorg development, it's no small wonder fedora will get it first :)
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| 11:30 | <nubae> hate the damn thing... uninstalled
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| 11:30 | <Lunks> nubae: I'm just trying to gather as much info I can on ltsp over wifi. ;P
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| 11:30 | <johnny> i love networkmanager
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| 11:30 | still using the latest .6 atm tho
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| 11:30 | <loather> networkmanager isn't terrible. it's great for laptops and machines that need to move between physical networks
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| 11:30 | <nubae> right, and for ltsp?
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| 11:31 | <loather> for ltsp? mostly useless.
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| 11:31 | added layer of complexity that's simply not needed
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| 11:31 | <nubae> right... but it decides to take over everything, kill dhcp, etc...
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| 11:31 | IMHO it should be taken out of ltsp setups
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| 11:32 | <ogra> huh ?
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| 11:32 | nm is cool
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| 11:33 | the prob is that you have to support all the boneheads that insist on keeping the old distro way of managing devices
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| 11:33 | the *fixes* to make it work with that usually break what worked flawless initially
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| 11:34 | NM suffered that several releases in ubuntu already
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| 11:34 | <johnny> ogra, i think it was a good idea.. UNTIL nm works at system start
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| 11:34 | but it does now :)
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| 11:34 | <ogra> right
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| 11:35 | <johnny> ogra, dealing with old crusty *nix geeks can be painful..
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| 11:35 | <nubae> ogra: there is no reason the thing shouldn't recognise the tried and tested way of ifup thats been in place for years
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| 11:35 | <ogra> right
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| 11:35 | <johnny> they can have their own crusty *nix geeks distro with all their junk in it :)
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| 11:35 | <ogra> nubae, which it does now
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| 11:35 | <nubae> kinda
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| 11:35 | <johnny> nubae, the recent changes in nm wouldmake you happy
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| 11:36 | i have the rss feed from svn :)
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| 11:36 | <ogra> nubae, but all the breakage in current NM only come from trying to keep compatibility with that
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| 11:36 | <nubae> as of 2 days ago, I was not happy
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| 11:36 | <johnny> you running from svn?
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| 11:36 | <ogra> if it would just take over everything it would just work
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| 11:36 | <nubae> well, ok, then put a message up when teh system starts and explain how to switch over or something
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| 11:36 | <ogra> thats not how ubuntu works :)
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| 11:37 | <nubae> well, I uninstalled it and am happy again
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| 11:37 | <johnny> nubae,
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| 11:38 | <nubae> I know buntu is going all GUI (no pun intended) but why have 2 things running at once that do the same job?
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| 11:38 | <johnny> what runs at once?
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| 11:38 | two things?
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| 11:38 | <nubae> well 2 configs
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| 11:38 | <ogra> nubae, happy again ? wait until your apps are all starting in offline mode :P
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| 11:38 | <johnny> yeah
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| 11:39 | <ogra> the desktop is way to integrated with NM to just remove it
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| 11:39 | <nubae> thats what they were doing _with_ NM in managed mode
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| 11:39 | <ogra> thats why managed mode is off by default :P
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| 11:39 | <nubae> worse.... everything resolved but no internet... that was a mind fuck...
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| 11:41 | <loather> yeah, the move to the whole integrated desktop environment really screws people like me who *are* crusty unix geeks
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| 11:42 | i personally can't tolerate gnome or kde for more than a few minutes
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| 11:44 | <johnny> loather, you can use cnetworkmanager
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| 11:45 | <ogra> NM works from commandline with nm-tool
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| 11:45 | no need to use gnome or kde
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| 11:45 | <loather> i know. but it requires dbus, hal, and a slew of other dependencies that frankly I don't want to have to install
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| 11:46 | (not that with any modern distribution there's any way around it)
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| 11:46 | <ogra> well, you soon wont hve a choice anymore
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| 11:46 | <johnny> nope.. X requires hal and dbus these days
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| 11:46 | <ogra> there is work going on to put the system parts of dbus into the kernel
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| 11:46 | with hal-input you need hal to run X
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| 11:47 | <johnny> i set the hal use flag in xorg-server.. so presumably i require hal now
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| 11:57 | <loather> dbus ... into the kernel?
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| 11:57 | *sigh*
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| 12:02 | <ogra> why ?
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| 12:07 | <jcastro> ogra: you familiar with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tuxpaint/+bug/269082
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| 12:07 | <ogra> jcastro, i likely have seen it, let me take a look
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| 12:08 | * ogra tends to ignore edubuntu bugs since he isnt responsible anymore | |
| 12:08 | <jcastro> ogra: yeah I am just hoping to find someone in Debian who can reproduce since she filed a bug with debian but he closed it marking it ubuntu specific.
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| 12:08 | <vagrantc> ogra: i had no problems with 2.0.13 in debian, though i only tested with the ltsp theme.
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| 12:09 | <ogra> vagrantc, intresting, ltsp theme was as jumpy as the ubuntu one for me
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| 12:09 | i tried all five ubuntu themes and the ltsp one
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| 12:09 | <_UsUrPeR_> Can anyone point me towards instructions on shutting off ssh encryption in Fedora 9?
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| 12:10 | <ogra> LDM_DIRCETX=True
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| 12:10 | like everywhere else
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| 12:10 | <_UsUrPeR_> :D
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| 12:10 | <ogra> *DIRECTX
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| 12:10 | vagrantc, can you try to reproduce https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tuxpaint/+bug/269082 on debian ?
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| 12:10 | <_UsUrPeR_> thanks ogra
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| 12:11 | <jcastro> vagrantc: Here is the corresponding debian bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=502017
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| 12:11 | <ogra> vagrantc, holger seems a bit dense here
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| 12:11 | <jcastro> yeah I am responding to holger real quick
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| 12:11 | <vagrantc> i can't play around much more today- i'm already late for a work meeting
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| 12:13 | <jcastro> cool, thanks anyway
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| 12:22 | <nubae> jcastro: that bug is annoying indeed
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| 12:24 | <nubae> I dont think its ubuntu-specific
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| 12:25 | <jcastro> nubae: upstream seems to not have an ltsp environment to test in so there's no way to really nail it down unless someone digs in I think
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| 12:25 | <nubae> yeah I know... I'm gonna test it when I get to a school
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| 12:25 | and grab as much data as possible
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| 12:33 | damn u ejabberd
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| 12:40 | <johnny> ?
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| 13:45 | <stgraber> ogra: FFe for what ?
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| 13:46 | <ogra> stgraber, or patch ... for fixing the jumpy input box
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| 13:46 | <stgraber> if that's bug only, you don't even need a FFe for a new version
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| 13:46 | (at least that's what slangasek said for ltspfs)
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| 13:46 | and what's on the ubuntu wiki IIRC
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| 13:47 | <ogra> oki
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| 14:42 | <_UsUrPeR_> having a problem getting dhcpd working in Fedora 10 Beta. Has anyone had any luck yet?
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| 14:44 | <cliebow> _UsUrPeR_, perhaps paste your dhcpd.conf?
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| 14:45 | AT.
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| 14:45 | pastebot.ltsp.org
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| 15:13 | <_UsUrPeR_> cliebow: oh crap. I forgot that part :)
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| 15:14 | http://pastebin.com/d4a89fc4a
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| 15:14 | there we go
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