IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 14 November 2006 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:24 | <amitbiswas> hi there
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| 03:24 | is there any one have been working with ltsp4.2 with ubuntu
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| 03:25 | is there any help available
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| 03:25 | ????
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| 03:31 | ????
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| 03:34 | <neuralis> amitbiswas: if you put more question marks, more people will help you.
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| 03:36 | <amitbiswas> sorry i am not quite sure is there any one available
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| 03:36 | i have installed ltsp4.2 on my ubuntu 6.06
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| 03:37 | i am able to configure every thing except rdesktop script
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| 03:37 | i am not quite sure is there any help available on this subject
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| 03:38 | <neuralis> none of the people who are familiar with ltsp on ubuntu are around now.
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| 03:39 | <amitbiswas> sorry to ask is there any where i can leave my questions over or what is the good time to catch ubuntu ltsp gurus
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| 03:44 | thanks guys
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| 03:44 | catch you all later
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| 03:44 | bye for now
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| 04:15 | <ribbo> Hi, how would I configure a old 9 port DIN mouse? (ie. looks like large PS/2 conector) have tried X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "auto"
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| 04:15 | X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/ttyS0"
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| 04:15 | in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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| 04:57 | <McPolo> ribbo: Try different protocol. But it's so long since I had a serial mouse, so .. =)
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| 04:59 | ribbo: Make sure com-ports are not disabled in BIOS. Then you could also try ttyS1
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| 06:02 | <ribbo> McPolo: thanks. we did try ttyS1 and Microsoft / Logitech - possible that the board or mouse is faulty or that it as disabled in BIOS. (this was offsite - will chec with person there) - thanks
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| 06:29 | <arnadelo> hola alguien que hable castellano
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| 06:59 | <felipe_> Helo ..
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| 06:59 | I'm having some problems with an us-deadkeys keyboard on LTSP 4.2 (Ubuntu Dapper)
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| 06:59 | The deadkeys doesn't work
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| 07:00 | I tried XkbModel = "pc105"
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| 07:00 | and XkbLayout = "us_intl"
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| 07:00 | but it doesn't work
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| 07:06 | <McPolo> felipe_: What about putting nodeadkeys -variable into settings?
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| 07:06 | <felipe_> hum .. I'm gonna try it
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| 07:16 | <felipe_> McPolo: it didn't work
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| 07:16 | If I pree ' and A it gives me 'A , but it should give me Á
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| 07:16 | *press
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| 07:19 | <McPolo> Oh.
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| 07:19 | I misunderstood you :). I thought you wanted nodeadkeys :)
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| 07:19 | <felipe_> hehe
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| 07:20 | my poor english is gonna kill me ! I'm from Brazil
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| 07:20 | <McPolo> pc105 .. isn't there less keys in US keyboard?
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| 07:20 | <felipe_> This configurations was working fine with ltsp 3
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| 07:21 | <McPolo> Well I suppose that problem does not concern ltsp at all, but I might be wrong.
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| 07:33 | <galiza> Hi...I want some help about ltsp 4.2 localdevices (lbus_event_handler errors)
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| 07:34 | <galiza> anybody could help me?
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| 07:37 | <felipe_> Any other sugestion about us deadkeys keyboards
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| 07:37 | ?
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| 07:38 | <McPolo> galiza: I had some problems with it, but IIRC it happened because I didn't have lbussd running.
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| 07:42 | <galiza> When I try to mount anything using /usr/sbin/lbus_event_handler.sh I got a error: Authentication Failed
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| 07:42 | I'm using LDAP in my box
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| 08:59 | <cliebow_> k
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| 09:08 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 09:09 | <PMantis> Hey sbalneav
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| 09:09 | <sbalneav> Morning PMantis
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| 09:09 | <pscheie> g'morning Scoot Beavens
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| 09:09 | <sbalneav> Morning!
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| 09:09 | <PMantis> sbalneav, Hey I got this md device that's flipping out - thin a drive is desd
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| 09:10 | sbalneav, Kidding. ;)
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| 09:10 | <sbalneav> Taking typing lessons from cliebow? :)
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| 09:10 | <PMantis> Heh
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| 09:10 | It's called aging
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| 09:10 | <pscheie> I wondered if he meant a DASD device...
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| 09:11 | <PMantis> md
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| 09:11 | as in mdadm
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| 09:11 | <sbalneav> If he was talking about a DASD device, then he WOULD be showing his age. :)
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| 09:11 | <PMantis> Multi-Disk
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| 09:11 | <pscheie> as am I
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| 09:12 | <sbalneav> I am too. So we're all old farts, lets move on... :)
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| 09:12 | <PMantis> Ohhhh! LOL desd.. no no s/desd/dead/
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| 09:13 | <sbalneav> So, anything new and exciting here in #ltsp?
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| 09:13 | Looks like Sun GPL'd Java! Thats some interesting news.
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| 09:14 | <pablo_arg> alguien de habla hispana?
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| 09:16 | <PMantis> OOOhhhhhhh
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| 09:16 | GLD Java? That'll change a lot of things
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| 09:19 | sbalneav, jammcq around?
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| 09:19 | <pscheie> sbalneav: Does LDA require the local device to be partitioned because we deal with it at the file system level (fuse)?
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| 09:19 | <sbalneav> Yup.
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| 09:19 | I only handle partitioned media.
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| 09:19 | The stuff that's in LTSP5 will handle both, though.
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| 09:20 | <pscheie> Cool! How?
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| 09:20 | <sbalneav> fancier udev magic.
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| 09:20 | <PMantis> sbalneav, Oh... duh... I figured it out... but I still have a Q for jammcq if he's avail. :)
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| 09:22 | <pablo_arg> i have a problem whit syslogd: cannot write to remote file handle on. Help
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| 09:23 | <PMantis> pablo_arg, That won't prevent a client from booting. However, if you want to see the thin client logs on the server, you need to make a little adjustment.
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| 09:23 | pablo_arg, Are the thin clients able to boot?
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| 09:26 | <pablo_arg> no. a client no boot and error mount /dev/ram1 failed
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| 09:28 | <sbalneav> pablo_arg: How much memory do you have in the clients?
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| 09:28 | <PMantis> pablo_arg, I'm not sure if I can help personally, but what Distro? Ubuntu?
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| 09:30 | <pablo_arg> the memory is 256 in clients, distro: Mandrake 10.2
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| 09:30 | <sbalneav> pablo_arg: Exactly at what point is it on the screen? Can you give us a little more context?
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| 09:31 | <pablo_arg> sbalneav: syslogd: cannot write to remote file handle on 192.168.x.x
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| 09:34 | <sbalneav> pablo_arg: OK, well, to fix that one, you need to add the "-r" option to the syslog config on the server. I'm not sure how you do that on Mandrake, look in /etc/defaults for a syslogd file, or, perhaps it's in /etc/init.d/syslog startup.
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| 09:34 | <jammcq> ok, so I got this shiny new socket wrench set, and I want to build a F-16 jet fighter. could someone please help?
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| 09:34 | * sbalneav throws a box end wrench at jammcq :) | |
| 09:35 | <pscheie> I understand Macs come with their own fighterjets
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| 09:35 | <sbalneav> Oh, our mister JBW from the lists?
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| 09:36 | <pscheie> sbalneav: I thought your response was uncharacteristacally subdued ;-)
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| 09:37 | <sbalneav> I'll spend some time to correct someone who's slightly off base, but this guys on a whole separate planet. I felt an admission of failure was the best approach. He goes away feeling vastly superior, that he's shown up a bunch of boffins.
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| 09:37 | <pablo_arg> sbalneav: i probe whit here, but not work
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| 09:38 | <pscheie> Yeah, guess he showed us.
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| 09:40 | <sbalneav> pablo_arg: You'll have to search around on the man page for syslog. You want to enable remote logging
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| 09:40 | doh
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| 09:41 | <pscheie> sbalneav & jammcq: are you guys going to dtrask's NELS thing next June?
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| 09:42 | <sbalneav> pscheie: I just have very little patience for people with attitude. I spend a LOT of my time helping people for free, and giving away, gratis, software that I right. Darnint, for that, if people want to ask me a question, they should have the decency to ask it politely. If they don't they get the sharp end of my tounge :)
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| 09:42 | pscheie: Unknown at this time, for me at least.
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| 09:42 | <pscheie> Or will I be able to shmooze you into coming to Mpls. again?
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| 09:43 | <sbalneav> pscheie: Minneapolis is easy for me, because it's just a drive.
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| 09:44 | <pscheie> Well, keep Mpls. in June in mind--I don't have dates yet but I'm working on the agenda
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| 09:47 | <sbalneav> Cool
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| 09:48 | <pscheie> I'd like to get the guys from Atlanta to come up and talk about how they used LTSP to get to a 2:1 ratio in the classroom
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| 09:48 | and how it's just not possible to get there with Win or Mac, fighter jet or no
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| 09:49 | Do you anticipate ltsp5 will be available in the springtime?
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| 09:50 | <jammcq> it's available now
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| 09:50 | just install Ubuntu-Edgy
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| 09:51 | it's also in debian
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| 09:51 | <pscheie> I got Kubuntu-Edgy downloaded last week. Tried the live CD but haven't had time to install yet.
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| 09:52 | So, what's on the feature list for 5, besides dealing with unpartitioned USB sticks?
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| 09:55 | I'm remembering last year's NCLS conference in which we had to talk about K12LTSP 4.x and 5.x since 4 was more stable but 5 had the cool LDA
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| 09:56 | <pscheie> and wondering if we'll have to do the same 'straddling' again in '07
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| 10:41 | <Gadi> morning, all
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| 10:48 | <sbalneav> Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 11:22 | <ludmil> I have a problem with ltsp and kubuntu edgy
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| 11:23 | when running ltspadmin
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| 11:23 | it complains about inittab
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| 11:23 | but it seems to work
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| 11:24 | and when i try to boot with vmware
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| 11:24 | nothing happens
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| 11:24 | and by the way there is "no" on dhcpd in ltspcfg
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| 11:25 | but it is runnig
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| 11:25 | enyone has ideas?
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| 11:31 | <cliebow_> mil:you are using edgy's ltsp?
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| 11:37 | <ludmil> i think no
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| 11:37 | i followed ltspguide.pdf
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| 11:57 | <bill_c> yay I'm caught up and work and can play again :)
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| 11:57 | at work*
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| 11:59 | I made a gtk volume control (slider), that over ssh sets aumix-minimal levels. I would like to extend ltspinfod to handel the execing of aumix-minimal
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| 11:59 | what would be a good way to do security? was thinking of using xauthority file or something
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| 12:05 | <Gadi> bill_c: hey! I'm glad you can come out and play again!
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| 12:23 | <cliebow_> bill_c:Hey!!
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| 12:23 | <rjune> norning b ill
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| 12:23 | <bill_c> y0
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| 12:28 | <rjune> how goes it?
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| 12:31 | <cliebow_> bill_c: where are ya with ppc 4.2?
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| 12:37 | <bill_c> cliebow, getting my imac repaired (if it can), openfirmware is corrupt
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| 12:38 | cliebow, my g3 (bluetower) won't build ltsp, same code on the dead g4 does
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| 12:43 | <cliebow_> bill_c:Wow..never come across corrupt openfirm
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| 12:44 | bill_c:i been running ibooks to ltsp via linux dhcp fine..and blue bondis to ltsp via weindows dhcp..but danged if i can getr ibooks to lad yaboot from windows dhcp
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| 13:39 | <moquist> cliebow_: hey
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| 13:40 | <cliebow_> moquist:Hey!!
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| 13:41 | <moquist> cliebow_: yay!
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| 13:41 | <cliebow_> Huzzah!
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| 13:41 | <moquist> cliebow_: I lost those login scripts you gave me when my HDD crashed.
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| 13:41 | <cliebow_> i put em on the wiki
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| 13:41 | <moquist> cliebow_: Any chance I can get 'em again?
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| 13:41 | yay!
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| 13:41 | URL!
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| 13:41 | ?
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| 13:41 | <cliebow_> it is in wiki.ltsp.org under..err
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| 13:42 | win8integration
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| 13:42 | <moquist> win98integration?
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| 13:42 | sorry, I'm dumb. I need the whole URL...
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| 13:45 | <cliebow_> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WinIntegration#Redirecting_My_Documents_using_n
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| 13:46 | <moquist> cliebow_: thx
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| 13:46 | <cliebow_> sure thing
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| 14:03 | <moquist> ogra: hiya
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| 14:04 | <ogra> heya
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| 14:10 | <cliebow_> ogra:!!!
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| 14:13 | <spader3d> hi
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| 14:13 | <sbalneav> Hey ogra! How's the conference?
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| 14:14 | <cliebow_> heu boffins
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| 14:14 | <spader3d> do ne1 know how much Bandwidth is needed to start a ts session?
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| 14:15 | <sbalneav> spader3d: Well, if you're running xterms, not much. If you're doing full motion video, a lot.
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| 14:15 | <ogra> sbalneav, busy
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| 14:16 | <spader3d> not much is like less than 2 Mb
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| 14:16 | ?
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| 14:16 | <ogra> didnt leave me much time yet for doing work
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| 14:16 | <sbalneav> 2 mb/s? Way less.
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| 14:16 | Like 2 kb/s
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| 14:16 | ogra: That's ok, I've started on some things.
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| 14:17 | When you get back, we'll hit the pavement running.
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| 14:17 | <ogra> i'v uploaded the initial puse package yesterday
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| 14:17 | <sbalneav> puse?
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| 14:17 | Pulse?
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| 14:17 | <ogra> but thats about all work i got done ... we're not allowed to use out laptops during the morning sessions ...
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| 14:17 | yep
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| 14:17 | pulse
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| 14:17 | <spader3d> so a ltsp-client can start with this ammount of BW?
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| 14:18 | <sbalneav> spader3d: Instead of me trying to play "guess the bandwidth", why don't you tell me what you're trying to do, and I'll tell you if it will work.
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| 14:18 | <ogra> it will be able to start with some KB, it will just be very slow :)
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| 14:19 | <sbalneav> No, you'll need more bandwidth to get it started, as you've got to download the linux kernel, and NFS mount root, etc etc etc.
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| 14:19 | ogra: Is pulse in Universe for Feisty? Should I setup a fiesty box?
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| 14:19 | <ogra> as long as the packages all get through it should work ... but who would want a 30 minute boot ;)
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| 14:20 | <spader3d> I wonder if it is possible to do ltsp over my local DSl network
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| 14:20 | <ogra> sbalneav, yep, but it doesnt work right yet ... and somehow the esd mode clashes with the hack we have for the flash plugin ... so it needs more work first
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| 14:20 | spader3d, if you want to wait for minutes after every click ...
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| 14:21 | it is technically possible, but surely totally unusable ..
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| 14:21 | <sbalneav> spader3d: No, that won't work. A thin client broadcasts for an IP address and a kernel, and that won't go "over the internet" like that.
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| 14:22 | <spader3d> it is possible to download a program like vlc with the ltsp?
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| 14:22 | <ogra> ah, right, the dhcp part wont work over DSL ...
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| 14:22 | <sbalneav> You'd be better off to try to make a live boot cd with FreeNX on it, and connect over the internet that way.
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| 14:23 | <spader3d> ok
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| 14:25 | If you're doing full motion video, a lot -> is it possible to offer tv with ltsp?
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| 14:26 | <ogra> with ltsp 5 you should be able to run a mythtv frontend on the client ...
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| 14:26 | but be aware that it needs a lot of fiddling
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| 14:27 | (myth on its own isnt an easy task ...)
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| 14:31 | <jake> hello
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| 14:31 | I got problems while compiling glibc on lbe..
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| 14:31 | it fails while calculating size of long double..
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| 14:31 | I'm running with gentoo..
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| 14:32 | glibc-2.5 with nptl & nptlonly..
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| 14:32 | <sbalneav> jake: Hmmm, jammcq'd be the fellow to help you with that one.
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| 14:33 | <jake> okay..
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| 14:33 | it would be just my luck that he
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| 14:33 | would be sleeping right now :)
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| 14:33 | jammcq: hi.
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| 14:39 | <cliebow_> jake:better be nice
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| 14:40 | <jake> ? I thought I'm being nice.. Currently googling with jammcq ( jim mcquillan ) to find older irc logs about this issue..
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| 14:40 | as when googling this, I found out I'm not only one with this..
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| 14:41 | But unfortunately I didn't find a solution..
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| 14:42 | But I do interact in many projects.. not in devs, but as for joy of my own, it's nice to improve yourself, right? Well, it's pretty common luck for me, that if I need help from someone, she/he ain't online at that moment.. kinda got used to that..
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| 14:46 | <sbalneav> heh, you're being fine. Jammcq's probably out for a bit.
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| 14:47 | Are you subscribed to the mailing list?
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| 14:47 | Might want to post the bug on there as well.
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| 14:47 | <cliebow_> jake: what version of gcc?
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| 14:48 | <jake> But unfortunately I didn't find a solution..?
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| 14:48 | sorry
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| 14:49 | was supposed to say..
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| 14:49 | It uses version it fetches, right?
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| 14:49 | <cliebow_> no
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| 14:49 | <jake> It compiles gcc first partially, so it's enough to compile glibc?
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| 14:49 | <cliebow_> not at first
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| 14:49 | <jake> Well, I have gcc-4.1.1 but it can't be used, so I tried with gcc-3.4.6-r?
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| 14:49 | <cliebow_> i had to add gcc3.4 to my breezy to get it to compile
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| 14:50 | <jake> should I try with gcc-3.4.5?
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| 14:50 | oops..
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| 14:50 | can't..
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| 14:50 | I forgot I removed 3.4.5
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| 14:50 | <cliebow_> dont want to send you on wild goose chase..as luck would have it i was sitting next to jammcq when i did it
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| 17:15 | <knitoperu> Hi to everyone
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| 17:15 | We have a k12ltsp network and we are planning our power system
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| 17:16 | somebody knows how much watts does a thin client consumes?
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| 17:16 | <knitoperu> does a thin client needs voltage regulator?
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| 17:17 | and, if a thin client goes out of power (a black out or missfunction like a kick in the outlet) is there a way to recover his session?
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| 17:18 | It would be a real good thing that We can put a UPS in our server, and if a balckout comes, a guy in the server could log in every session and save the work!!!
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| 17:20 | <knitoperu> Or if light comes back quickly, when thin client comes back could login in the unclosed session
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| 17:22 | <vagrantc> you'd need vnc or freenx to do something like that.
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| 17:25 | <knitoperu> but It would be a very cool feature!!!
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| 17:25 | It would rock! agains workstarions
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| 17:26 | <ogra> we were discussing such a feature with the xorg upstream guys at the ubuntu conference last week, it needs some very heavy changes to X to make it happen
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| 17:27 | but the idea is there and might be implemented some day
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| 17:27 | until then an X proxy or vnc are your best options
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| 17:28 | <knitoperu> If I run a vnc server in every session... It will not die when thin client powers off?
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| 17:29 | <ogra> nope .... as long as the server keeps running its fine ... but vnc isnt really useable, it eats a lot of bandwith
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| 17:29 | i'd rather go with something like xmove
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| 17:29 | it enables you to use a real X proxy
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| 17:30 | in ubuntu its unmaitained though, dunno what the status in redhat is ...
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| 17:30 | <knitoperu> I will dig in this side
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| 17:30 | thankyou for your help
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| 17:30 | <ogra> you're welcome :)
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| 19:27 | <vagrantc> anyone have some non-x86, non-powerpc, non-amd64 hardware to test ltsp debian packages on?
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| 19:38 | <ogra> hppa clients ?
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| 19:38 | (thats what the world needs :) )
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| 19:41 | <vagrantc> ogra: i think the problem you detected with the --arch code for amd64 is fatal on other architectures.
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| 19:41 | but i'd like to confirm it before uploading packages.
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| 19:42 | though, i'm so certain, i think i'll just go for it and keep it at low priority.
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| 19:43 | <ogra> i only have that three arches available, apart from my old SGI indigo which has no opportunity to get linux on it ...
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| 19:43 | <vagrantc> why not?
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| 19:43 | (the SGI Indigo)
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| 19:43 | <ogra> well, because i'm to lazy to do a serial console based install
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| 19:44 | <vagrantc> heh.
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| 19:44 | it's (moderately) easy.
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| 19:44 | * vagrantc plays with serial consoles all the time. | |
| 19:44 | <ogra> it has no support for the graphics card at all, so i tend to keep irix on it to be able to use the machine (even if i dont do that at all anymore)
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| 19:45 | it still has a fully licensed version of the old netscape server ;)
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| 22:30 | <jammcq> howdy kids
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| 23:19 | <aaron|feldman> hi all
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| 23:19 | I'm having a little bit of a sound problem
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| 23:19 | Installed ALSA support
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| 23:20 | seems like the sound server locks on one application to the exclusion of others
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| 23:20 | on the server too
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| 23:21 | ltdp 4.2 fc5 on K12ltsp
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| 23:21 | ltsp 4.2 rather
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