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19:42 | <alkisg> Yeah, improving the errors would be nicer. ==> something like this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BSOD_Windows_8.png
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19:42 | :P :D
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19:42 | * alkisg prefers the python advice, "don't hide exceptions / call stacks" | |
19:45 | <vagrantc> huh, was never under the impression that a python traceback was considered good practice ... by python programmers they always found it as a failure to not handle an exception more meaningfully
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19:45 | but there's only so much time available, and can't catch everything
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19:47 | <alkisg> I wouldn't mind writing the exception to a log file, and telling the user "things failed, look at the log file" like windows does, but I can't say it's my first choice...
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19:48 | I always have a hard time troubleshooting programs on windows, while linux programs with their stderr are always much easier to debug
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19:49 | <vagrantc> i guess the difference is between hiding an exception vs. handling it :)
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19:49 | but anyways, your proposal to be more verbose about what failed sounded good
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19:50 | <alkisg> Handling an exception is a bad thing to do if all you're going to show is a generic message, that hides 1000 different possible errors
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19:51 | <vagrantc> sure
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19:51 | <alkisg> Now, the exception showed "keyerror 1027", the exact number where the group was missing
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19:51 | <vagrantc> i loved the gnome login error "Something went wrong"
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19:54 | * alkisg tries to think of linux console programs that write their stderr elsewhere, in order to show more user friendly messages... | |
19:54 | <alkisg> Not gui ones, console ones
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