IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 4 May 2011 (all times are UTC)
| 00:09 | <alkisg> That's not specific to LTSP/thin clients
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| 00:09 | <alkisg> You can edit menus with the menu editor
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| 00:10 | You can apply menus per group with the edubuntu menu editor, I don't know if it's available to other distros
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| 00:10 | You can apply menus per user/group with the sabayon tool
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| 00:10 | All those are not directly related to LTSP.
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| 00:12 | <khussein78_> thanks alkisg i will try them
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| 00:30 | <blueonyx> ahoi, how to make the sshd of my fat clients use the /etc/{passwd,shadow} from my terminal server?
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| 00:34 | <alkisg> LTSP doesn't provide for that, and it's not a good idea either, because if someone gets root access to a fat client, then he also gets access to /etc/shadow of the server
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| 00:34 | <blueonyx> alkisg: yea i should ask in some openssh channel
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| 00:34 | <alkisg> Erm, I don't think so
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| 00:35 | <blueonyx> but there should something possible with pam
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| 00:35 | <alkisg> It's a chroot. sshd would use the users that exist on that chroot
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| 00:35 | There are solution for using the accounts of a remote system. E.g. LDAP.
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| 00:35 | <blueonyx> i know, i'm asking to change that
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| 00:35 | <alkisg> It's not related to ssh.
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| 00:36 | <blueonyx> okay, but ldap is to much for me, is there something easy? i dont exactly know what pam is, but should i look into it?
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| 00:36 | <alkisg> Start with "why"
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| 00:37 | Why do you want users to be able to ssh to your fat clients?
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| 00:37 | Were you the one with the "cluster based on fat clients" setup?
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| 00:37 | <blueonyx> because i want to administrate my work horses central (with ltsp's help) and my fat clients are in a room far away and without screen and keyboard
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| 00:38 | could be yea :)
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| 00:38 | <alkisg> OK. What about security? E.g. are you on a completely trusted environment? Or it's possible that a user might be malicious?
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| 00:39 | <blueonyx> pretty trusted environment
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| 00:40 | of course the small probability that someone gets mad remains ;)
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| 00:41 | <alkisg> Then a simple solution would be to modify LTSP just a bit, so that it copies the server passwd and shadow locally. Generally it's a bad idea to give those to thin/fat clients, so I'd try to use LDAP or NIS if I were you.
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| 00:42 | Also with that setup (and also with your current setup) your users won't be able to change their passwords
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| 00:43 | You'll need to provide them with a scripted tool for that
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| 00:43 | Another idea is this: an LTSP developer is writing a pam module for ssh authentication on another system
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| 00:43 | Which is basically what you want
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| 00:44 | The goal is to make it part of LTSP in future releases
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| 00:44 | But you could use that pam module to solve your problem now
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| 00:44 | He recently reported in the mailing list that it's currently usable
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| 00:46 | <blueonyx> ah i heard about NIS before
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| 00:46 | but this pam stuff is what i thought about, yet couldnt articulate :)
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| 00:46 | thanks alkisg will look into it
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| 01:10 | <listpi> blueonyx : hi , have u done with local hardisk stuff
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| 01:12 | <blueonyx> it works for me and i wrote what i did
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| 01:13 | get your harddisk not detected? can you pastebin 'sudo fdisk -l'?
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| 01:14 | listpi: my hdds get detected, just not automounted, thats why i did echo 'for f in /dev/sd[a-z][0-9] /dev/VolGroup*/LogVol*; do udisks --mount "$f"; done' >> /opt/ltsp/amd64/usr/share/ltsp/xinitrc.d/I90-automount
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| 01:15 | maybe you try it like: boot, login, run: for f in /dev/sd[a-z][0-9]; do udisks --mount "$f"; done and report back
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| 01:15 | <alkisg> That VolGroup* part was for the LVM you were saying you had?
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| 01:16 | <blueonyx> yep
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| 01:16 | <alkisg> Nice
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| 01:16 | <blueonyx> alkisg: just needed sudo chroot /opt/lts... apt-get install lvm2
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| 01:20 | <listpi> blueonyx : ya i have tried it ....as u said i run this command in command line also ...it is getting mounted ....but not showing in desktop
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| 01:20 | blueonyx : it is showing only in command line when i do ctrl + f7 ,,,,go into /media it is showing blank
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| 01:21 | blueonyx : in your case it is showing on ur client side or not
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| 01:23 | #ulteo
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| 01:23 | <blueonyx> hm
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| 01:24 | listpi: dont you get an error from udisks?
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| 01:24 | or any other output?
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| 01:25 | <listpi> blueonyx : i din't get any error ...when i run that command upper 3 line it was showing not mounted and in 4th line it gets mounted successfully
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| 01:25 | blueonyx :
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| 01:26 | blueonyx : and also help me in my case client is not getting booting in kiosk mode...if there is any trobleshooting
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| 01:26 | <blueonyx> listpi: can you paste the output somewhere pls?
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| 01:26 | <listpi> blueonyx : ya sure i can send it to u
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| 01:26 | wait
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| 01:26 | <blueonyx> listpi: you have to report your errors more precisly
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| 01:26 | listpi: pastebin.com or equivalent pls
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| 01:26 | i'm not the only one here, who might help you
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| 01:29 | <listpi> blueonyx : tell me why kiosk mode is not working in 10.04 as i have done the fresh installation ....it is showing only booting screen to me
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| 01:32 | <blueonyx> listpi: sry i dont know about kiosk mode, but you can hit esc on booting screen to maybe see an error message
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| 01:33 | <listpi> blueonyx : k if u r using desktop mode ,,,then also your blank hardisk is showing on client side or not'
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| 01:33 | blueonyx : i just want this local hardisk to be shown to the client
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| 01:35 | <blueonyx> listpi: with my xinitrc script my _partitioned and formatted_ local harddisks get shown on the desktop
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| 01:38 | listpi: i dont find many information on kiosk mode, maybe you try fat clients (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients) and configure gdm/a user to automaticly login (a user)?
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| 01:49 | hm, the libpam_sshauth bzr repo doesn't contain a ./configure script, only a configure.ac, what to do?
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| 02:13 | no one here into autoconf? :(
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| 02:23 | <listpi> blueonyx : which ubuntu version have u used for ltsp
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| 02:24 | <blueonyx> listpi: lucid 10.04
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| 02:24 | <listpi> blueonyx : can u please hsare with me ....the process of your installation ...
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| 02:24 | blueonyx :can also get hardisk on desktop
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| 02:25 | <blueonyx> listpi: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/LTSP (german) + https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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| 02:25 | listpi: that last one i told you a hundred times now :)
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| 02:27 | <listpi> blueonyx : sorry dear m asking again and again ...but i want to do this project
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| 02:27 | blueonyx : thanks
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| 02:30 | blueonyx : which option have u used for building client like ltsp-build-client --option
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| 02:32 | <blueonyx> listpi: the ones given at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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| 02:33 | listpi: there is a /etc/ltsp/ltsp-build-client.conf given
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| 02:34 | and i saw, you can also drop the http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/LTSP part, since the whole ltsp installation is to install ltsp-server-standalone
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| 02:34 | <listpi> blueonyx : after that your client login auto or they need password to login
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| 02:34 | <blueonyx> need passwd
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| 02:35 | <listpi> k if i follow this installation https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients it will work like u right
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| 02:35 | <blueonyx> but on your ltsp server, if you have desktop, go to usermanagement and add your kiosk user and i think there is an option "login without passwd", try it
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| 02:35 | i guess
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| 02:37 | <listpi> k if i follow this installation https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients it will work like u right...thanks dear i will try
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| 02:57 | <blueonyx> anyone using libpam_sshauth here? i think i installed it right, but it dont work from the chroot :(
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| 03:02 | <alkisg> It's too early in the development stages, I don't think anyone's tried it yet
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| 03:02 | If you have problems with it, reply to sbalneav on the ltsp developers list
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| 03:03 | <blueonyx> yea will do
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| 03:03 | maybe it's just pamtest, since authlog says pam_unix(sshd:session): session opened for user ... so everything seems to be okay, but pamtest asks for passwd again O.o
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| 03:41 | <listpi> blueonyx ; u have the fat client installation or thin client
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| 03:41 | for ur desktop
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| 03:52 | <blueonyx> hey, i got my new fatclient booted now, but he complains he cant reach the nbd-server, which is true since it isnt running, how does ltsp start/configure its nbd-server?
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| 03:56 | <alkisg> With inetd, in /etc/inetd.conf
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| 03:58 | <blueonyx> i have no such file O.o
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| 03:58 | alkisg: can you paste/link me one?
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| 03:59 | <alkisg> blueonyx: wait, let's see why
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| 03:59 | dpkg-query -W openbsd-inetd
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| 03:59 | <blueonyx> but make it quick, i have to sit in our "room of winds" next to my cluster :))
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| 03:59 | echos openbsd-inetd
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| 04:00 | <alkisg> So it's not installed. Weird, that's Ubuntu, right?
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| 04:01 | <blueonyx> hm, i did an apt-get upgrade and should reboot, but i cant
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| 04:01 | alkisg: yep its lucid
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| 04:01 | so dpkg-reconfigure it and what for ltsp?
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| 04:01 | <alkisg> blueonyx: run ltsp-info and put the result to pastebin
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| 04:02 | <blueonyx> alkisg: http://pastebin.com/jyR7sBSi
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| 04:05 | <alkisg> blueonyx: I wonder why you have ldm installed on your server
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| 04:06 | <blueonyx> i guess it came with ltsp-server-standalone?
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| 04:06 | <alkisg> No, it's to be installed on the chroot, not on the server
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| 04:06 | <blueonyx> i even have compiz, because of an obscure dependency :/
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| 04:06 | okay
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| 04:06 | what does it do with inetd?
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| 04:07 | <alkisg> blueonyx: what does this give you? dpkg -l '*inet*' | grep ^ii
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| 04:08 | <blueonyx> ii update-inetd 4.35ubuntu0.1 inetd configuration file updater
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| 04:08 | ii xinetd 1:2.3.14-7ubuntu3 replacement for inetd with many enhancements
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| 04:08 | O.o
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| 04:08 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 04:08 | Something brought xinetd as a dependency
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| 04:08 | That's why ltsp-server didn't install openbsd-inetd
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| 04:08 | aptitude why xinetd
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| 04:09 | <blueonyx> ai
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| 04:09 | <alkisg> What does this tell you? ^
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| 04:09 | <blueonyx> i ltsp-server-standalone Depends ltsp-server
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| 04:09 | i A ltsp-server Depends openbsd-inetd | inet-superserver
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| 04:09 | i xinetd Provides inet-superserver
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| 04:09 | hey thats a need command :)
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| 04:09 | *neat
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| 04:09 | maybe someone before me installed it
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| 04:09 | <alkisg> Urm, it seems that you installed something, which brought xinetd, and then installed ltsp, and then uninstalled that something
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| 04:09 | OK
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| 04:10 | So now you either configure xinetd manually, or install openbsd-inetd && remove xinetd
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| 04:10 | <blueonyx> the open* install already did the removing
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| 04:10 | what's next?
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| 04:11 | <alkisg> `sudo ltsp-update-image --force` will take some time but will automatically update your inetd
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| 04:11 | There are other ways, that's the first one to come to mind
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| 04:12 | Hmm no
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| 04:12 | It won't put the other entries there, for swap etc
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| 04:12 | <blueonyx> this takes some time on your machine? :>
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| 04:12 | kthx
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| 04:13 | <alkisg> Haha it depends on your chroot size, mine is > 5 Gb compressed
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| 04:13 | > 12 uncompressed (the default)
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| 04:14 | 9571 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/ldminfod
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| 04:14 | 9572 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdswapd
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| 04:14 | 2000 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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| 04:14 | Those are the required lines in /etc/inetd.conf
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| 04:14 | blueonyx: btw, do an: aptitude why ldm
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| 04:20 | <blueonyx> alkisg: yea mine is just 2.8G
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| 04:21 | <alkisg> (02:14:06 PM) alkisg: 9571 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/ldminfod
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| 04:21 | (02:14:06 PM) alkisg: 9572 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdswapd
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| 04:21 | (02:14:06 PM) alkisg: 2000 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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| 04:21 | (02:14:13 PM) alkisg: Those are the required lines in /etc/inetd.conf
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| 04:21 | (02:14:56 PM) alkisg: blueonyx: btw, do an: aptitude why ldm
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| 04:23 | <blueonyx> i ltspfsd Recommends ldm
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| 04:24 | <alkisg> And why ltspfsd?
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| 04:24 | (that too is for the chroot)
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| 04:24 | <blueonyx> because i'm stupid?
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| 04:24 | <alkisg> No I meant "aptitude why"
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| 04:24 | <blueonyx> hm those 957* lines are missing :/
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| 04:24 | i installed it
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| 04:25 | <alkisg> Ah ok
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| 04:25 | :)
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| 04:25 | blueonyx: one way is to remove + reinstall ltsp-server
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| 04:25 | It won't remove your chroot
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| 04:25 | Another is to add them manually
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| 04:28 | <blueonyx> now the fat client cant find an init O.o
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| 04:32 | but there is an init= bootarg in pxe..0/default :(
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| 04:35 | btw how does your /etc/motd look like?
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| 04:36 | <alkisg> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2010-08-20 19:49 /etc/motd -> /var/run/motd (broken symlink)
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| 04:42 | <blueonyx> wow now my new fat client boots too :)) thank you so much
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| 04:46 | <stefn> hi, after I logged in on my ltsp client, some pc's their screen goes black and start flickering once in a while on an edubuntu 10.04 system...
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| 04:46 | does anyone know what's causing this?
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| 04:54 | <blueonyx> stefn: do you also have problems from time to time when booting the machines? maybe this comment helps? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/589034/comments/13
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| 04:54 | gotta move
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| 05:22 | <stefn> I tried the fix, but I still have the same problem... But indeed it sometimes hang on boot... But not very often
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| 05:50 | <stefn> I only have the problem on older computers
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| 11:12 | <Zarrku> Hello alkisg, are you around for help?
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| 11:13 | <alkisg> Hi Zarrku, also doing some other things but sure shoot
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| 11:13 | <Zarrku> I am still having trouble with the gx150s amixer problem, what would you suggest to fix the problem
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| 11:15 | <alkisg> Start by putting XSERVER=vesa in lts.conf
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| 11:15 | <Zarrku> Also, do you think going with xubuntu would fix the problem?
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| 11:16 | Okay
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| 11:17 | <alkisg> No, if it's an X problem then changing the desktop environment won't help
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| 11:24 | <Zarrku> going with Xubuntu over other editions does this allow less memory usage?
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| 11:24 | more terminals?
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| 11:28 | <alkisg> Zarrku: imho xubuntu doesn't really need much less ram than ubuntu. And for thin client, I think that the major limit is the server network bandwidth, not its RAM... so I wouldn't care about the desktop environment for thin clients
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| 11:28 | For fat, ok, I'd use LXDE on low-ram fat clients
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| 11:59 | <pmatulis> anyone use wyse thin clients? i'm in the market for some new clients
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| 12:27 | <dead_root> pmatulis i have always gotten good clients from http://www.disklessworkstations.com/
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| 12:30 | <pmatulis> dead_root: thx, i'm already ordering one from there. i'm looking for something else
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| 12:45 | <andygraybeal> greettings!
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