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Channel log from 17 June 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:13 | <dean_za> moring all
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| 02:13 | morning
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| 02:20 | i reinstalled my server this weekend , because i was having so many issues after attempting to upgrade from 7.04 to 7.10 to 8.04. Anyway for the most part things seem normal. I am however having a real strange issue with printing. I have installed the jetpipe program left out of hardy and on 1 terminal the service works perfectly. on 2 other terminals the jetdircet service is not running and the printers dont wok. How is it possible that different clients work
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| 03:04 | <DawnLight> hello. does anyone have experience with terminals running with the adobe flash plugin? does it take loads of RAM?
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| 03:04 | perhaps loads of CPU also?
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| 03:14 | <johnny> yes
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| 03:14 | <tarzeau> how many?
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| 03:15 | we have flash running too
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| 03:16 | <DawnLight> are there any numbers about this?
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| 03:18 | from my experience, adobe flash can hog whole cpus
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| 03:32 | <tarzeau> DawnLight: around 50 clients, no idea how many of them surf java or flash pages
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| 03:32 | 2.0.14 firefox on linux. we might switch to ff 3 sometime soon
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| 03:32 | we also have sound
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| 03:33 | <DawnLight> tarzeau: do they all surf at the same time?
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| 03:34 | <tarzeau> DawnLight: sometimes yes
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| 03:35 | <DawnLight> i wonder what happens then
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| 03:39 | <tarzeau> nothing special
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| 03:39 | it's a 4 cpu machine w/ first 4 gb memory, now 8 gb memory
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| 03:39 | the clients are 500 mhz amd geode machines
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| 03:56 | <Pascal_1> bonjour
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| 04:01 | <DawnLight> hello Pascal_1
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| 04:55 | <masus> hi all
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| 04:55 | where can i find documantation for ltsp5?
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| 05:10 | <masus> masus: nowhere :)
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| 05:39 | <daya> while running ltsp-build-client it gives http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 was corrupt
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| 05:39 | ,
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| 05:41 | does it happen in the upstream or my local connectiviy prob.
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| 05:46 | <masus> u can try to build from cdrom
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| 05:46 | ltsp-build-client --arch i386 --mirror file:///cdrom
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| 05:49 | <daya> masus, no I have not all required DVDs of lenny
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| 05:49 | <masus> i think you dont need at all the first is enough
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| 05:49 | but im not sure
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| 05:49 | try it
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| 05:50 | <daya> masus, Ok But what the my error indicate, does it happen in the mainstream of debian
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| 05:50 | <masus> daya: i don't know sorry
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| 05:51 | <daya> masus, nop
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| 06:30 | <masus> !lts
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| 06:30 | <ltspbot> masus: Error: "lts" is not a valid command.
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| 06:32 | <masus> !lts.conf
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| 06:32 | <ltspbot> masus: "lts.conf" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtsConf
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| 06:52 | <masus> anyone know how to change the default session to xfce4 on the clients
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| 06:53 | <ogra_cmpc> you need to change the alternative on the server (in case you run ubuntu or debian)
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| 06:53 | <masus> i run debian etch
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| 06:53 | <joebaker> I will be installing the Ubuntu LTSP system this morning. Re-installing a system from scratch.
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| 06:53 | <ogra_cmpc> update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
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| 06:54 | <masus> ogra_cmpc: thank u
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| 06:56 | do i have more credit for two questions :)
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| 06:57 | if yes. The first question is how to do autlogin for clients and the second is how to change the login screen on clients it's look not good :) ...
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| 06:58 | <ogra_cmpc> there is a ldm themes dir in the client chroot, change graphics and gtkrc there
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| 06:59 | <masus> and autologin is it possible ?
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| 06:59 | <ogra_cmpc> autologin requirews LDM_AUTOLOGIN, LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD to be set in lts.conf (to an existing user on the server)
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| 07:00 | but that wasnt in the etch packages, you definately need the backports for such stuff
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| 07:01 | <masus> ogra_cmpc: i'll try thank u very much
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| 08:31 | <x86> does the LDM protocol use less bandwidth than the XDMCP protocol?
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| 08:32 | <ogra_cmpc> similar
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| 08:39 | <x86> hmm
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| 08:40 | I've got these thin clients with Linux already loaded on them, and they boot into this connection manager app running inside of X (and there is no way to network boot them)
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| 08:40 | you can make the connection manager automatically establish an XDMCP connection to a remote X server
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| 08:40 | <ogra_cmpc> there surely is
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| 08:40 | <x86> HP Neoware c50
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| 08:41 | * ogra_cmpc hasnt seen a thin client yet that had no netboot capabilities ... worst case throoough a BIOS update | |
| 08:41 | <x86> if you can find a way to network boot them, I'd be more than interested ;)
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| 08:41 | (I've looked)
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| 08:41 | they are made so that you use the connection manager... it can handle XDMCP, RDP, Citrix/ICA, VNC, and something else
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| 08:42 | which will work just fine for me...
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| 08:42 | I'm trying to find an advantage of using LTSP
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| 08:44 | <ogra_cmpc> there is no need for LTSP if you want to go with the locally installed system
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| 08:45 | just enable XDMCP in your running DM and be done ... but you wont benefit from any of the LTSP specialities (localdev, sound and soon to come local apps)
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| 09:12 | <x86> yeah I don't really need any of that
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| 10:37 | <Blinny> So I went up to amd64 Ubuntu 8.04 from i386 over the weekend, and my load is still much higher than it was on FC6.
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| 10:37 | <dean_za> does anypne have issues with user processes after a client freeze. I was searching through my old emails and found a program called xtermintaor which removed any lingering processes when the user logged in , i found the launchpad site but there are only debs for fiesty and gutsy , was this implemented in hardy and / or is it compatable with hardy. Users dont complain as much about the client crashing as they do about not being able to login again afertwards
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| 10:37 | <Blinny> dean_za: I experience that really really often.
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| 10:38 | dean_za: It'd be great if you added your info to the existing bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/232532 to gain some traction.
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| 10:38 | dean_za: As a temporary fix I've added a killall -u $USER to the .xprofile in each user's home directory.
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| 10:39 | <dean_za> blinny: its really frustrating the new server at on site is so much faster but I get 2 complaints the boot sequence is painfully slow the screen always sticks on the second block of the splash and they cant login after a freeze
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| 10:39 | but will that kill the .gvfs processes ?
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| 10:39 | I normally have to kill -9 them
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| 10:41 | <Blinny> dean_za: Yeah, that works.
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| 10:41 | dean_za: I've had some pretty bad results with Ubuntu so far.
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| 10:42 | dean_za: I haven't experienced bootup problems. I don't think that is related to the user's spare processes sticking around. It _could_ have to do with NBDSWAP if you're using that.
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| 10:43 | dean_za: Are you completely updated?
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| 10:43 | <dean_za> I am , some clients have 64mb/400mhz and 128mb/400mhz , why would a faster client boot through that section if it is the nbd swap ?
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| 10:44 | blinny : that for me is still a grey area , on one server i updated veryhting including dist-upgrade in the chroot and things are not so stable , I recently re-installed my main server and have not updated kernel in chroot only other updates
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| 10:45 | it has been better , but I still get client freeze and then users cant login
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| 10:45 | <Nubae> 64 mb is very little
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| 10:45 | u should really be running minimum 138
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| 10:46 | 128 even
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| 10:46 | users not being able to log in often has to do with permissions
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| 10:46 | <dean_za> that is why I have nbdswap enabled
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| 10:47 | <Nubae> I put a script in my homes dir that changes ownership to then
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| 10:47 | the right owner
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| 10:47 | <dean_za> users can login , but they cant use openoffice , thunerbird or whatever was open when they crashed
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| 10:47 | <Nubae> for some reason, this gets mixed up a lot
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| 10:47 | ah... u mean the message saying u can only run one at a time?
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| 10:48 | <Blinny> dean_za: Using the .xprofile script will clean out those Thunderbird/OOo processes on login.
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| 10:48 | <Nubae> ie... firefox is already running please close the running proces?
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| 10:48 | <dean_za> no message ever , they just get a message that the program is already running
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| 10:48 | yes
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| 10:48 | <Nubae> yeah thats common as hell
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| 10:48 | <Blinny> yeah thats annoying as hell :P
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| 10:48 | <Nubae> the only thing u can do is killall -u $user
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| 10:48 | <dean_za> then why havent they adressed it
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| 10:49 | <Nubae> or show them how to kill the process
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| 10:49 | its not really a bug
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| 10:49 | if the system crashes or someone logs onto another system, the process really is running still
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| 10:49 | and must be shut down...
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| 10:50 | <Blinny> Shouldn't processes be killed on user login if they can't be on logout?
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| 10:50 | <dean_za> but then why not re-attache to the session ?
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| 10:50 | <Nubae> from experience, the easiest thing was to show them how to kill the process via system ->system monitor
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| 10:50 | <Blinny> dean_za: That's non-trivial in an LTSP environment.
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| 10:50 | <Nubae> on logout the processes are killed
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| 10:50 | * Gadi thinks we should have a nice popup box that allows the user logging in to kill all of his/her old processes and let the login proceed.... | |
| 10:50 | <Nubae> but not on crash or logging into another system while still logged in
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| 10:50 | <Blinny> Nubae: Not on a busted logout like xserver crash or restart.
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| 10:50 | <Gadi> hmm....
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| 10:50 | <Blinny> Gadi: Amen my brotha!
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| 10:51 | <Gadi> shouldn't be too hard
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| 10:51 | <Nubae> problem is, it often happens because user logs in twice
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| 10:51 | <Gadi> simple rc.d script in ldm oughtta do it
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| 10:51 | <dean_za> i actually read a tread on the ltsp-discuss list of someone who had done that with madriva
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| 10:51 | <Nubae> ie... is in the cafeteria, browsing, class starts
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| 10:51 | logs onto machine in lab
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| 10:51 | <Gadi> thats no problem - just give him the choice on second login to pkill or not to kill
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| 10:51 | <Nubae> message pops up :-)
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| 10:51 | <Gadi> *kill
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| 10:52 | nah - we make the msg pop up on the second machine
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| 10:52 | not the first
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| 10:52 | thats trivial
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| 10:53 | <Nubae> yeah guess so
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| 10:54 | <dean_za> I just looked in my home dir and I dont have a .Xprofile ?
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| 10:54 | do i need to create it ?
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| 10:55 | <Nubae> yeah u can just create it
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| 10:58 | <dean_za> check this link http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net/msg32850.html
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| 10:58 | <Nubae> I managed to get a cintiq wacom tablet working on hardy, man that thing is amazing...
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| 10:58 | I wonder if it will work with ltsp too?
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| 11:00 | <Nubae> dean_za: sure a quick fix is to disable multiple logins for same user
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| 11:00 | but that might become a pain
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| 11:01 | if it were done by groups or soemthing like that, it would be good
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| 11:01 | so sysadmin can still login in multiple times, but students cant for example
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| 11:05 | <joebaker> ogra Did you hear about my problems with tftpd ?
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| 11:06 | I have Pxe bootable machines that won't load from tftpd-hpa
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| 11:07 | Now even after loading a fresh install of 8.04 from the alternate ubuntu desktop i386 install I have problems with tftp.
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| 11:10 | What I have done to repair before was to download aftpd as a deb file, extract the tftpd binary from it and replace the in.tftpd file under /sbin
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| 11:10 | <Gadi> !pastebot
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| 11:10 | <joebaker> with the atftpd binary.
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| 11:10 | <ltspbot> Gadi: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 11:11 | <Gadi> anybody for testing untested code? ;)
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| 11:11 | <ltsppbot> "Gadi" pasted "idea for rc.d script to check for users logged in and create popup" (33 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/541
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| 11:12 | <Gadi> oops
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| 11:12 | Ive got quotes in the wrong place
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| 11:12 | hehe
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| 11:13 | <ltsppbot> "Gadi" pasted "idea for rc.d script to check for users logged in and create popup" (33 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/542
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| 11:15 | <Blinny> Jeez. Again with the defunct processes. First it was bind9 - now squid proxy.
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| 11:16 | <dean_za> gadi: sure what must I do
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| 11:17 | <Gadi> dean_za: what distro are you on?
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| 11:19 | <dean_za> ubuntu 8.04
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| 11:19 | <Nubae> Gadi: nice... that was fast
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| 11:19 | <Gadi> ls /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/rc.d
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| 11:19 | er
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| 11:19 | sorry
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| 11:20 | ls /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/rc.d
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| 11:20 | is that where 8.04 has that dir?
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| 11:20 | sorry
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| 11:20 | actually
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| 11:20 | ls /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ldm/rc.d
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| 11:20 | my fingers are faster than my brain today
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| 11:21 | <dean_za> S01-setup-xauth
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| 11:21 | <Gadi> excellent
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| 11:21 | <Nubae> would be nice to put that on a wiki someplace
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| 11:21 | its bound to come up again
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| 11:21 | <Gadi> that is the dir for scripts that ldm runs (client side) pre-login
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| 11:21 | and post-logout
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| 11:22 | so, save my pastebot to a file in that dir, say: S15checkUser
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| 11:22 | make it chmod 755
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| 11:22 | reroll the image
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| 11:22 | <Blinny> Gadi: Can you pastebin that again? I had to reboot my server. Again.
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| 11:22 | <Gadi> then, reboot two clients and try logging in to them both
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| 11:22 | http://pastebot.ltsp.org/542
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| 11:23 | <Nubae> also save this conversation and try to document it somewhere :-)
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| 11:23 | <Gadi> heh
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| 11:23 | well, lets see if it works, fisst
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| 11:23 | *first
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| 11:23 | as you can tell, my fingers are itchy today
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| 11:23 | :)
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| 11:23 | but, you can read the script and get the gist
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| 11:24 | <Nubae> yeah but when it works, everyone will say great and forget about putting it up for documentation purposes ;-) we're terrible that way...
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| 11:24 | <Gadi> lol
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| 11:24 | <Blinny> Gadi: Awesome. Lemme check it.
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| 11:25 | Any particular naming convention? S01-?
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| 11:25 | <Gadi> yeah
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| 11:25 | its like SysV notation
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| 11:26 | S = start (login)
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| 11:26 | number = order
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| 11:26 | name=name
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| 11:26 | so, say: S15checkUser
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| 11:27 | <Blinny> OK if I get parse errors when running from shell ala ./S15... ?
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| 11:28 | <Gadi> yeah - because the LDM_ vars will be empty
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| 11:28 | set those inur environment
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| 11:28 | <Blinny> Gotchya. Booting 2nd now.
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| 11:29 | <Gadi> wow -ur fast
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| 11:29 | <Blinny> It's easy when someone else writes the script!
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| 11:29 | <Gadi> you must have a fast server
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| 11:29 | u rerolled the image?
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| 11:29 | <Blinny> Yeh
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| 11:30 | This is the slower of the two machines I have too.
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| 11:30 | Serving a lot of clients.
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| 11:30 | Besides, all the RAM was free because I just had to reboot.
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| 11:30 | <Gadi> my P3 sub 1GHz lappy is jealous
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| 11:30 | ;)
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| 11:30 | <Blinny> Ok. I just logged in as me at another terminal.
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| 11:30 | <Gadi> btw: if this breaks ur image, just delete the file and rerool
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| 11:30 | <Blinny> No zenity prompts.
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| 11:31 | <Gadi> hmm
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| 11:31 | <Blinny> No errors, but I haven't started anything.
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| 11:31 | I've got it as S02-check-processes chmod'd 775
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| 11:31 | <Gadi> can you get a shell on the client?
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| 11:31 | <Blinny> Sure.
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| 11:32 | <Gadi> export in the shell: LDM_USERNAME, LDM_SOCKET, and LDM_SERVER
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| 11:32 | to the appropriate values
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| 11:32 | <Blinny> Wait. Crap. Must've been my last image. Lemme add the user and reroll.
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| 11:32 | <Gadi> and just source the script
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| 11:32 | <Blinny> K. Uno momento.
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| 11:33 | <Blinny> PS: Thanks.
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| 11:33 | <Nubae> let us know if it works :-)
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| 11:33 | <Blinny> I ctrl+alt_backspace'd out of the 2nd logged in client so it wouldn't kill this session on logout.
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| 11:33 | I'll have tons of fun processes laying around.
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| 11:34 | Where can I find the correct value for LDM_SOCKET ?
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| 11:34 | <Nubae> ctrl alt backspace should kill sessions just fine...
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| 11:35 | 2000 or 2001
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| 11:35 | <Blinny> Nubae: It doesn't. :P
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| 11:35 | <Nubae> depends on how many images and which image you are on
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| 11:35 | but default is 2000
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| 11:35 | <Gadi> Blinny: /var/run/ldm.... on the client
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| 11:35 | iirc
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| 11:37 | <Blinny> K
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| 11:37 | <Nubae> cant believe you can buy a new athlon 64 with 2 gigs of ram and 160 gig drive for 250 euros...
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| 11:37 | <Nubae> things are getting cheap
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| 11:37 | <Blinny> So I have export LDM_SOCKET=2000 && export LDM_USERNAME=myuser && export LDM_SERVER=196.168.1.1
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| 11:37 | <Gadi> no
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| 11:37 | LDM_SOCKET=/var/run/ldm...
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| 11:37 | the big name\
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| 11:38 | <Blinny> OK.
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| 11:38 | export LDM_SOCKET=/var/run/ldm/192.168.1.1
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| 11:38 | <Gadi> really?
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| 11:38 | no
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| 11:38 | thats not it
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| 11:39 | <Blinny> I'm on the client's console right now
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| 11:39 | and 192.168.1.1 is in /var/run/ldm -- only thing in there
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| 11:39 | <Gadi> hmm...
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| 11:40 | do this:
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| 11:40 | are you logged in thru ldm atm?
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| 11:40 | ps -efw|grep ldm
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| 11:40 | <Blinny> Not with that user, no.
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| 11:40 | <Gadi> on the client shell
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| 11:40 | <Nubae> ah socket is ip + port?
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| 11:40 | <Gadi> you should get a string like: ssh -X -S <something>
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| 11:41 | you want the <something>
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| 11:41 | socket is a file
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| 11:41 | just not sure what filename we give it these days
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| 11:41 | <Blinny> Ok. So I should go ahead and log into LDM first? I have not yet logged into anything but the console.
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| 11:41 | <Gadi> used to be a big one
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| 11:41 | yeah, log into ldm as somebody
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| 11:42 | <Blinny> Gotchya. Now i have ldm_socket_vt7_192.168.1.1
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| 11:42 | <Gadi> there ya go
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| 11:42 | <Nubae> that rings a bell
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| 11:42 | <Gadi> nice and long
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| 11:42 | :)
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| 11:42 | make sure you have the full path
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| 11:42 | LDM_SOCKET=/full/path/to/socket
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| 11:43 | <Blinny> I do.
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| 11:43 | I get "Control socket connect:(/var/run/ldm_socket_vt7_192.168.1.1): Permission denied
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| 11:43 | Then the could not create directory /home/myser/.ssh stuff
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| 11:44 | <Gadi> are you on a shell on the client?
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| 11:44 | ctrl-alt-f1?
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| 11:44 | <Blinny> Yeh.
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| 11:44 | <Gadi> as root?
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| 11:44 | <Blinny> No, as a normal user.
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| 11:44 | I don't know how to set up a root user on the terminal.
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| 11:44 | <Gadi> you made normal users in your chroot?
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| 11:44 | <Blinny> (that's always bothered me, btw)
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| 11:45 | I made a single normal user. Only thing I knew how to do.
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| 11:45 | <Gadi> ah: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd
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| 11:45 | <dean_za> just unlock the root account in the chroot with passwd -U and set a password and your done
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| 11:45 | <Gadi> that'll get you a root passwd
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| 11:46 | <dean_za> guys how do I folow whats happened if I have to go now ?
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| 11:46 | is there a website somehwre /
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| 11:47 | <Blinny> Gadi: OK. Lemme re-roll.
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| 11:48 | <Gadi> dean_za: just drop into the channel tomorrow
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| 11:48 | we'll be here
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| 11:48 | :)
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| 11:48 | <Blinny> So.
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| 11:48 | I have set a passwd with root. I will log into LDM as myuser
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| 11:49 | I will log into the console as root. Set LDM_USERNAME LDM_SERVER and LDM_SOCKET and then run the script by hand.
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| 11:49 | <Gadi> cool
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| 11:49 | <Blinny> Bah.
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| 11:49 | User account as expired. I guess this is the 'unlock' that dean_za was referring to.
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| 11:49 | <Gadi> tho, the DISPLAY is prolly not set
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| 11:50 | I was banking on the fact that the script would be called from within X
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| 11:50 | <Blinny> Soooo should I run it as myuser in X ?
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| 11:50 | <Gadi> so, you will prolly need to: export DISPLAY=:6 (or :7)
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| 11:51 | no
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| 11:51 | run as root
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| 11:51 | <Blinny> Ok. I'll export display too.
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| 11:51 | <Gadi> but export the DISPLAY
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| 11:51 | <Blinny> In X or at the console?
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| 11:51 | <Gadi> at the console
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| 11:51 | <Blinny> OK!
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| 11:51 | Fun.
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| 11:51 | * Gadi still hacks in gutsy, so there are lots of details that they changed in hardy | |
| 11:52 | <Blinny> when I export DISPLAY=:X then X will correspond with the vt? in the LDM_SOCKET, yes?
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| 11:52 | <Gadi> not the vt, but the display that ldm is on
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| 11:52 | do this: ls -a /tmp
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| 11:52 | whichever number the lock file for X has on it
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| 11:55 | <Blinny> OK.
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| 11:55 | Syntax error on line 17
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| 11:55 | <Gadi> doh!
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| 11:56 | <Blinny> Coincidentally, the same one I found before doing all this rigmarole (;
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| 11:56 | <Gadi> duh
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| 11:56 | change the do to then
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| 11:56 | and the done to fi
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| 11:57 | lol
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| 11:57 | <ltsppbot> "Gadi" pasted "idea for rc.d script to check for users logged in and create popup" (33 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/543
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| 11:57 | <Gadi> like here
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| 11:57 | <Gadi> (or grab this one)
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| 11:57 | sorry bout that
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| 11:57 | glad you have a fast server
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| 11:57 | <Blinny> Interesting. My ltsp-update-image froze. Or my gnome-terminal froze.
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| 11:58 | Gadi: Me too. My clients are still sluggish as hell though :(
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| 11:58 | <warren> Gadi: that's cute
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| 11:58 | <deanza> gadi are you still testing pastebot 542 ?
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| 11:59 | <Gadi> yes, but I had a syntax error: use: http://pastebot.ltsp.org/543
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| 11:59 | warren: whats cute?
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| 11:59 | my syntax error?
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| 11:59 | :)
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| 11:59 | <warren> the script
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| 11:59 | <Gadi> ah
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| 11:59 | it'll be cuter if it works
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| 11:59 | <warren> Gadi: why don't you post it to the list and see what people think?
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| 12:00 | <Blinny> Damn you new vi and your automatic comment insertion
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| 12:00 | <Gadi> I just wrote it in 5 mins just now
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| 12:00 | if it works, we'll post
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| 12:01 | <Blinny> I have got to find a way to turn that off.
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| 12:02 | Hrm. It appears that ltsp-update-image seems to hang for long periods of time, then come back.
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| 12:03 | and it hangs pretty good too. Can't ctrl+z
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| 12:03 | OK. Once again from the top.
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| 12:03 | <ltsppbot> "Gadi" pasted "idea for rc.d script to check for users logged in and create popup" (33 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/544
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| 12:03 | <warren> I hear that Debian has something to take the xkeyboard-config table and use it with xkb?
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| 12:03 | <Gadi> found another mistake
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| 12:03 | use that one
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| 12:03 | :)
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| 12:03 | <Blinny> Gadi: heh
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| 12:06 | <Blinny> Hrm. The time displayed in LDM is incorrect.
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| 12:06 | <Gadi> of course it is
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| 12:06 | its your BIOS clock
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| 12:06 | :P
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| 12:06 | <Blinny> ...damn... incorrect... BIOS
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| 12:06 | <Gadi> lol
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| 12:07 | you can modify your chroot to run ntpdate on boot
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| 12:07 | and set the time by a timeserver
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| 12:07 | damn trident driver!
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| 12:07 | lost my mouse again
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| 12:08 | *sigh*
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| 12:08 | <Blinny> Gadi: I'm thinking this is going to work. I don't have zenity in the chroot. One moment, one more reroll.
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| 12:08 | But, that's something to consider, as it's not there by default.
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| 12:08 | <Gadi> really?
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| 12:08 | I thought zenity was standard id debian these days
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| 12:08 | and ubuntu
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| 12:09 | <Blinny> Woah.
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| 12:09 | <Gadi> ok, xmessage it is!
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| 12:09 | lol
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| 12:09 | <Blinny> Maybe this is why no zenity: The following packages will be automatically installed: aspell aspell-en dictionaries-common docbook-xml gconf2 gconf2-common libart-2.0-2 libaspell15 libdbus-glib-1-2 libenchant1c2a libgail-common libgail18 libgconf2-4 libglade2-0 libgnomecanvas2-0 libgnomecanvas2-common libhunspell-1.1-0 libidl0 libnotify1 liborbit2 libscrollkeeper0 libsexy2 libstartup-notification0 libwnck-common libwnck22 libxml2 libxres1 libxslt1.1
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| 12:09 | <Gadi> lol
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| 12:09 | sorr
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| 12:10 | lets make that xmessage for now
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| 12:10 | <Blinny> No worries mate.
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| 12:14 | <Blinny> Well damn.
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| 12:14 | Guess he got it working on his terminal!
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| 12:16 | <Nubae> any luck Blinny?
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| 12:17 | <Blinny> One second. Figuring out xmessage. I'm re-rolling the image now.
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| 12:19 | <Blinny> Gadi: I'm trying this: xmessage -buttons "Kill Current Session":0,"Cancel":5 The systems thinks you're logged in elsewhere. Would you like to close the other session and begin anew here?
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| 12:19 | (from xmessage man: If it detects an error, xmessage returns 1, so this value should not be used with a button.)
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| 12:21 | <Blinny> Hrm. Uhm. What provides xmessage? ogra did a great job stripping the chroot :P
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| 12:22 | <Gadi> there's a pkg called xmesage
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| 12:22 | *xmessage
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| 12:22 | sorry - gotta run to a mtg
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| 12:22 | bbiab
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| 12:22 | <Blinny> Oh wait.
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| 12:23 | Hrm. I'm guessing I need to explicitly call it.
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| 12:24 | <Blinny> No. Something isn't correct in the grepping.
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| 12:24 | bash: line 1: 10658: Command not found
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| 12:24 | <Gadi> theres only one grep
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| 12:25 | but it says command not found
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| 12:25 | perhaps, on top put:
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| 12:25 | <Blinny> xmessage still pops up
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| 12:25 | kill is in /bin/kill not /usr/bin/kill
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| 12:25 | <Gadi> PATH=$PATH:/usr/bin
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| 12:25 | ah
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| 12:25 | sorry
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| 12:25 | <Blinny> but I don't get back to LDM. Just closes gnome, and I'm stuck staring at my background w/ no panel, etc
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| 12:26 | Also, the script doesn't return, I need to ctrl+c it
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| 12:27 | <Gadi> are you running the script or sourcing it?
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| 12:27 | <ltsppbot> "Be-Lovely" pasted "S02-check-processes" (34 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/545
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| 12:28 | <Blinny> Running it like ./S02-check-processes
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| 12:28 | from the console, then seeing xmessage on X session at vt7
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| 12:29 | <Gadi> try: . ./S02-check-processes
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| 12:30 | ok, now i really have to run
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| 12:30 | bbiab
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| 12:30 | <Blinny> ok!
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| 12:30 | Thanks Gadi I'll keep at it
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| 12:35 | <Nubae> blinny... did u chmod o+x <filename>
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| 12:35 | ?
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| 12:35 | <Blinny> Nubae: Yes.
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| 12:36 | <Nubae> and won't execute?
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| 12:36 | <Blinny> It's still not being called at login.
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| 12:36 | <Nubae> hmm ok put it in lts.conf
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| 12:36 | <Blinny> It will execute just fine if I specify it like ./S02-
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| 12:36 | <Nubae> with rcfile=00=<filename--<
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| 12:37 | that should be rcfile_00=filename
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| 12:38 | <Blinny> Nope.
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| 12:38 | It appears, when running manually, that it stops at the sleep call.
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| 12:39 | <Nubae> you've tried putting it in lts.conf?
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| 12:41 | <Blinny> Yes.
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| 12:41 | But regardless, shouldn't it be called if put in the rc.d folder?
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| 12:43 | <Nubae> should yes, but in my experience the ltsp startup scripts can interefe a lot
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| 12:43 | interfere even
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| 12:44 | <Nubae> give it a higher number like S30
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| 12:46 | <Blinny> ...re-building image...
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| 12:48 | <Guaraldo> Hey, guys... I´m in trouble with a LDM auto-login...
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| 12:49 | <ogra> Blinny, you should exclude yourself :P
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| 12:49 | else you kill the pkill command before it killed anything else
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| 12:50 | <Guaraldo> I´ve put the lines LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD on lts.conf... It didn´t work...
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| 12:50 | Does anyone can help me?
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| 12:51 | <johnny> LDM_AUTOLOGIN=T ?
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| 12:52 | <Guaraldo> Oh!, johnny... I didn´t put that... :-) Thanks!
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| 12:52 | <johnny> Guaraldo, i actually use the guest login feature myself , and then autologin based on the hostname
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| 12:52 | + ssh keys
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| 12:52 | <Blinny> No. No love.
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| 12:52 | <johnny> when they click "Login as Guest"
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| 12:52 | <Blinny> ogra: But the script is running as root.
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| 12:53 | <johnny> what pkill command ?
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| 12:53 | <ogra> well, he's not using pkill but kill
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| 12:53 | <johnny> i find pkill -f to be the best kill
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| 12:53 | <ogra> Blinny, and ?
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| 12:53 | Blinny, its not running as root on the server
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| 12:54 | it uses the authenticated ldm socked which is owned by the logged in user indeed
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| 12:54 | <Blinny> Indeed!
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| 12:54 | ogra: So I need to pgrep for the current process then remove it from the list of processes that get killed?
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| 12:55 | <ogra> and if the processid of kill is low then you kill the kill itself before killing other processes
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| 12:55 | lots of killing going on in tha sentence
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| 12:55 | *that
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| 12:55 | <Blinny> Sounds like Alice's Restaurant.
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| 12:55 | <ogra> heh
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| 12:56 | <Blinny> Ok. Well, let me swim around some more.
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| 12:57 | * johnny kills ogra | |
| 12:57 | <ogra> oh, and why the sleep ? if you are going to call -9 anyway just call it right away and drop the first kill and the sleep
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| 12:57 | <johnny> ogra, we had our first unofficial tester of gentoo ltsp5.. it almost worked
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| 12:57 | two mods :)
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| 12:57 | <ogra> cool !
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| 12:57 | <johnny> and then it worked
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| 12:57 | <johnny> so.. i think we'll integrate my stuff officially at the hackfest
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| 12:57 | <Blinny> Is "^$" the current process id?
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| 12:58 | <ogra> i urgently look for ubuntu users who can verify the ltsp fixes in hardy proposed btw
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| 12:58 | <johnny> really?
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| 12:58 | <ogra> if the bugs dont get a checkmark from at least one independent tester the fixes cant go on the 8.04.1 CD
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| 12:58 | <johnny> can you get me a list of bugs
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| 12:58 | <Blinny> ogra: I'm definitely guilty on that front. The NDB_PORT fix you made I haven't verified b/c I haven't been able to get my server stable long enough to test on the backup one.
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| 12:58 | <ogra> let me grab the changelog
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| 12:58 | <johnny> i'll test them on weds night
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| 12:58 | dont paste it here
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| 12:59 | email it to me
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| 13:01 | <ogra> in case anyone else lurks: #224259, #235772, #221894, #234006, #222524 and (parts of) #199675
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| 13:01 | but i'll mail them if you want
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| 13:01 | our release managers are starting to make noise already
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| 13:04 | <laga> i wish launchpad wasn't so darn slow.
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| 13:05 | <Blinny> ogra: I'll do my best to check them out.
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| 13:06 | <ogra> that would be great
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| 13:06 | one positive comment per bug suffices, more are better indeed :)
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| 13:08 | <Lns> ogra, would a comment help if I didn't apply the specific patch but used the workaround w/NBD_PORT ?
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| 13:09 | (for 235772)
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| 13:10 | <ogra> well, preferred is that you use the package from hardy-proposed, but a positive comment wont do any harm indeed ;)
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| 13:10 | <Lns> ok
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| 13:12 | <johnny> ogra, can you perhaps tell me how i could use those packages only from hardy-proposed? :)
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| 13:12 | something called pinning?
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| 13:13 | <ogra> well, you enabe hardy-proposed, in the chroot, upgarde it and re-roll the image ...
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| 13:13 | proposed is frozen atm, there shouldnt be nything harmful in it thats not going onto the CD
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| 13:14 | <Blinny> ...but only in the chroot?
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| 13:15 | <johnny> yeah.. only in the chroot?
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| 13:15 | <johnny> yes.. mail them to me.. i will have less chance to forget :)
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| 13:15 | <ogra> the majority of fixes is in the ltsp-client scripts, yes
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| 13:15 | <laga> darn, i think i missed a fix for the mythbuntu plugin then. well, maybe next time :)
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| 13:15 | <Blinny> I see a new ltsp-server and ltsp-server-standalone
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| 13:15 | <ogra> sure, they come from the same source package
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| 13:16 | <ltsppbot> "ogra" pasted "ltsp hardy-proposed changelog" (17 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/546
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| 13:17 | <ogra> the only server side fix is the fix of the ltsp-update-imae manpage
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| 13:17 | *image
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| 13:17 | all others are ltsp-client
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| 13:18 | <Blinny> Right on.
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| 13:25 | <Blinny> ogra: In testing this script I've restarted the client by ctrl+alt+delete from the console. I then reboot, log in via LDM, and log out. Am I correct in assuming that all the first session's processes should be killed on the 2nd logout? I still have 30+ processes hanging around.
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| 13:26 | <ogra> the logout will only kill the parent process (x-session-manager)
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| 13:26 | which then should drag everything with it
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| 13:26 | <Blinny> but the parent of the specific login, not all logins of the same user?
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| 13:26 | <ogra> right
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| 13:26 | <Blinny> Is there currently any cleanup routing for these processes hanging around from an abnormal exit?
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| 13:26 | :s;routing;routine
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| 13:26 | <ogra> the last command ldm runs is kill -1 ${PPID}
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| 13:27 | (in the session)
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| 13:27 | if anything isnt cleaned up after that the apps need to be fixed to properly exit with their parten
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| 13:27 | +t
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| 13:28 | *parent
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| 13:28 | *sigh*
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| 13:29 | <Blinny> ogra: I'm missing something. There are no ldm processes on the server for any users, logged in or out.
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| 13:29 | <ogra> no, only on the client
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| 13:29 | <Guaraldo> johnny: LDM_AUTOLOGIN didn´t work... :-/
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| 13:29 | <Blinny> ogra: I have the bash script that ends with kill -1 {$PPID} -- that's still running
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| 13:30 | <ogra> ldm just runs the ssh command ... so all that runs on the server is sshd
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| 13:30 | <Guaraldo> updating image...
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| 13:30 | <ogra> which calls /etc/X11/Xsession
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| 13:30 | <Blinny> Okay. Then are there any routines on the server to clean up these processes hanging around from an abnormally-exited client?
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| 13:30 | <ogra> which in turn starts x-session-manager or whtever you put into ~/.xsession
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| 13:30 | <Blinny> Right.
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| 13:31 | <ogra> no, they should properly exit with their parent
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| 13:32 | if the X server dies on the client the ssh connection gets reset ... if that happens sshd and x-session-manager on the server die
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| 13:32 | <Blinny> In a perfect world, this wouldn't be an issue.. but it is.
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| 13:32 | <ogra> right, file bugs against the apps that misbehave ;)
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| 13:33 | <Blinny> ogra: But (I think) what I'm experiencing is occuring before your 'the ssh connection gets reset'
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| 13:33 | <Blinny> I have tons of sshd processes on the server left around for a client that is off.
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| 13:34 | So, I should bug the openssh crew, and then after that domino falls, the rest should fall also?
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| 13:35 | I have x-session-manager processes hanging around from a client that is powered off.
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| 13:38 | <Blinny> which leads me to think that ldm on the client isn't doing its kill -1 so the sshd process isn't terminating so x-session-manager isn't terminating, so nautilus, bonobo, gvfs, etc aren't terminating
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| 13:39 | <Lns> Blinny, what distro/version are you talking about?
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| 13:39 | <Blinny> Lns: Ubuntu Hardy
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| 13:41 | Lns: ..and the packaged LTSP5 on the alternate install CD
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| 13:42 | <Lns> Blinny, ah. I use Hardy but haven't tested extensively (school year is out, i'm just now getting done upgrading from gutsy)
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| 13:43 | <ace_suares> Blinny: i see the same problem with hardy
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| 13:45 | <Blinny> I've been sending people to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/232532 to report their findings but no one else has added anything.
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| 13:46 | Holy crap. I replied to the bug via email and none of it is in the bug! No wonder!
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| 13:46 | Lemme update.
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| 13:46 | <supreme_> hi all, how can i control volume in clients?
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| 13:47 | <Lns> Blinny, do you know about gnome-watchdog? I know the stale process issue has been around since gutsy - just depends on 'which' ones you're talking about i guess
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| 13:48 | <Blinny> Lns: I'm new to Ubuntu in the LTSP world. No, I don't know about gnome-watchdog. However, on principle I'd prefer to address the problem than cover the symptom.
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| 13:48 | <Lns> Blinny, I agree, but until that happens, gnome-watchdog might be a good workaround.
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| 13:48 | <Blinny> ogra: And here all this time I thought you were too busy to get to that bug. I'm sorry I left it for a month - I really replied via email.
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| 13:50 | Lns: Where do you hook gnome-watchdog into the Xsession startup?
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| 13:51 | <Lns> Blinny, it's just a .deb you install.
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| 13:51 | <Blinny> Lns: Not in the repos though correct?
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| 13:51 | <Lns> Not sure about where it works specifically
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| 13:51 | no
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| 13:52 | Blinny, http://www.mail-archive.com/edubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com/msg02609.html
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| 13:53 | <Guaraldo> Hey, guys... can anyone help me with an LDM autologon in an Ubuntu 8.04?
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| 13:53 | <supreme_> how can i control the volume level in thin clients?
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| 13:54 | <Guaraldo> supreme_: there is a pulse client...
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| 13:54 | <supreme_> im using ltsp 4.2
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| 13:54 | esd
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| 13:54 | <Guaraldo> supreme_: so you can´t... :-D
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| 13:54 | <supreme_> :o
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| 13:54 | <ogra> supreme_, in ubuntu just use the volume control applet in the panel ... it default to the client sournd device
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| 13:54 | oh
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| 13:54 | well thats not possible there
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| 13:54 | <Lns> 4.2 is so, like, 90's... ;)
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| 13:55 | <ogra> 4.2 is ancient ...
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| 13:55 | <supreme_> unfortunately ltsp 4.2 boots in 40sec, ltsp5 does in 3mins
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| 13:55 | :/
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| 13:55 | <Guaraldo> supreme_: you can put the volume level on the lts.conf, but not change it...
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| 13:55 | <Lns> supreme_, have you tried 5 lately? There have been massive improvements in bootup speed.
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| 13:56 | <supreme_> Guaraldo, thats what i'll do then, if theres no solution
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| 13:56 | <_thomas__> hi, I set-up a ltsp on debian lenny, and have a dhcp server on other machine, is there a way to do it work?
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| 13:56 | <supreme_> Lns, ive tried in April
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| 13:56 | <_thomas__> someone could point-me a link or something?
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| 13:56 | <supreme_> my thin clients are ebox2
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| 13:56 | <Guaraldo> Lns: now it boots in 2,5 minutes... :-D
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| 13:56 | <Lns> supreme_, ah...i've heard about those ebox.. ;)
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| 13:56 | <supreme_> and ltsp5 doesnt support its sound anymore
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| 13:57 | <ogra> well, linux 2.6 doesnt
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| 13:57 | <Lns> _thomas__, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWindowsDHCP
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| 13:59 | <supreme_> omg, volume in xmms started working 10sec ago :O
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| 13:59 | <Guaraldo> Someone have ever user autologon on LDM of Ubuntu 8.04?
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| 13:59 | <_thomas__> Lns: thanks
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| 13:59 | but i use another linux machine to run dhcp
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| 14:00 | anyway, good point to start
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| 14:00 | <Lns> _thomas__, well then that's even better
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| 14:00 | <_thomas__> thanks
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| 14:00 | <Lns> ;)
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| 14:00 | All you need is a couple of options in your dhcpd.conf
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| 14:00 | <_thomas__> next-server
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| 14:00 | <Lns> IIRC next-server, root-path,
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| 14:00 | ...maybe another one (my memory sucks)
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| 14:00 | <Blinny> Lns: I'm a little afeared of installing that gnome-watchdog script. First off, I can't find a page for it, just the mailing list and .deb. Secondly, it's i386 and thirdly the source isn't published.
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| 14:01 | <Lns> Blinny, that's your choice ;) Just wanted to point you to it since you were having those concerns about procs
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| 14:01 | <Blinny> Thanks.
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| 14:01 | <Lns> np
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| 14:02 | <Guaraldo> Lns: LDM autologon... do you know how to do it???
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| 14:02 | <Lns> Guaraldo, nope, never had the need to...sorry
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| 14:02 | <Guaraldo> Lns: ok... no problem... I´ve never need too...
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| 14:02 | <Nubae> hey Blinny... did u get that script to work?
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| 14:03 | <_thomas__> Lns: could be this?
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| 14:03 | next-server 192.168.4.4; filename "pxeboot"; option root-path "192.168.4.4:/data/misc/diskless
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| 14:03 | <Blinny> Nubae: No.
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| 14:03 | _thomas__: Don't forget a trailing "
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| 14:04 | Nubae: I am teh suck at bash.
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| 14:04 | <_thomas__> and to where should I point root-path?
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| 14:04 | <Lns> _thomas__, depends on the specifics of your network/filenames/server
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| 14:04 | <_thomas__> /opt/ltsp/home/username
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| 14:04 | ?
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| 14:04 | <Lns> nooo... ;)
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| 14:04 | <Guaraldo> Lns: Now that I need I´m having a hard time here...
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| 14:04 | <Nubae> Blinny: not sure I understtood that :-)
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| 14:04 | <_thomas__> sorry, pretty new to ltsp and even more with different machines to configure...
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| 14:05 | <Nubae> but I catch the gist... bash gets confusing indeed
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| 14:05 | <Blinny> _thomas__: If your ltsp root is /opt/ltsp/i386 then you would point root-path at /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 14:05 | <Lns> _thomas__, if you read that URL it'll give you the rundown even though it's for windows
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| 14:05 | <_thomas__> Lns: ok, I'm going
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| 14:05 | <Blinny> _thomas__: You'll need to kick out a filename too, and it's relative to the root path. (IE /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 )
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| 14:06 | Nubae: It's the fresh lingo, yo.
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| 14:06 | n stuff
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| 14:06 | <Lns> lolzorz
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| 14:06 | * Blinny nods. | |
| 14:07 | * Lns jumps in his ROFL-copter | |
| 14:08 | <Lns> _thomas__, I don't want to sound like i'm pushing you off but if you'll be using LTSP a lot, it will be a very good idea to read up on how it works, step-by-step. It's invaluable information for when you're troubleshooting
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| 14:09 | <_thomas__> Lns: just for tests, later today I will give a good read about it :D
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| 14:09 | thanks for the advice
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| 14:09 | <Lns> cool
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| 14:10 | We're all here to help btw - one big happy family =p
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| 14:12 | <Blinny> I don't understand how the kill would kill the kill in that script. The process list is retrieved earlier.
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| 14:15 | <Lns> wooo, [Bug 235772] Fix released...ahh, the power of the community. ;)
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| 14:17 | <Blinny> Lns: Bully.
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| 14:17 | * Lns scratches his head | |
| 14:17 | <Blinny> ...and down goes pidgin
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| 14:18 | Bully: adj : excellent —often used in interjectional expressions <bully for you>
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| 14:19 | * Lns scratches his head again | |
| 14:19 | <Lns> ;)
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| 14:20 | <Blinny> Well, the good news is I think I've traced the uber-high load I'm experiencing to a crappy scsi module.
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| 14:21 | <Lns> nice
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| 14:21 | that musta been fun to troubleshoot
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| 14:21 | <Blinny> Good times.
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| 14:22 | <Lns> just got an e-mail from a client talking about their school tech quitting and if i'd like to take over...first thought was "Hmm....ltsp?" ;)
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| 14:23 | <alkisg> Guaraldo, I've used autologon...
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| 14:28 | <Nubae> Lns: go forth and spread the seed
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| 14:28 | ;-)
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| 14:28 | there was an article about ltsp in linux format recently
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| 14:28 | <Lns> nice
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| 14:28 | <Nubae> but they talked about installing everything from source... very weird
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| 14:29 | <Nubae> obviously they haven't looked at the distros lately...
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| 14:29 | <Lns> 4.2?
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| 14:29 | <vagrantc> or gentoo :)
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| 14:29 | <Lns> =p
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| 14:29 | <Nubae> they didn't mention the edition... but I think they were trying to be cross-platform ;-)
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| 14:31 | ah wait, am looking at it again, they do talk of edubuntu
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| 14:31 | but using xdmpc
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| 14:33 | and then they talk a little about how to do it in each distro
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| 14:33 | manually
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| 14:34 | <Lns> weird
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| 14:37 | <Guaraldo> alkisg: Hi, man... How can I configure an autologon on LDM???
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| 14:37 | <Nubae> Guaraldo: I could only get autologin to work with guest
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| 14:37 | <alkisg> LDM_USERNAME=username, LDM_PASSWORD=password
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| 14:38 | <Nubae> it wont work just putting that in lts.conf
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| 14:38 | user and pass must be the hostname of the machine
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| 14:38 | <alkisg> [ltspclient101]LDM_USERNAME etc
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| 14:38 | Or IP or mac address
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| 14:38 | <Guaraldo> alkisg: I´ve tryed LDM_USERNAME, LDM_PASSWORD and LDM_AUTOLOGIN (LDM_AUTOLOGON)... non worked to me...
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| 14:38 | <laga> hum, i'm talking to an user who is affected by http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=245017
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| 14:39 | "tftpd-hpa: Fails with "cannot set groups for user nobody""
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| 14:39 | <Nubae> u tried LDM_ALLOW_GUEST=
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| 14:39 | <laga> has anyone seen that happen on ubuntu?
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| 14:39 | <Nubae> ?
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| 14:39 | <alkisg> Guaraldo, let me see if I can find my old lts.conf...
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| 14:40 | <Guaraldo> alkisg: Oh!, it would be great...
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| 14:40 | <Nubae> laga: no... sounds weird indeed
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| 14:40 | <alkisg> Guaraldo, OK, in [Default] I have LDM_AUTOLOGIN=True, in [192.168.0.112] I have LDM_USERNAME=guest01 LDM_PASSWORD=pass01
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| 14:41 | and for guests, if you want, LDM_ALLOW_GUEST=True
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| 14:41 | <Guaraldo> In my lts.conf I have quite the same, but there are mac addresses...
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| 14:42 | can be becouse of this???
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| 14:42 | <Q-FUNK> hm
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| 14:42 | maudit bon article, bref
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| 14:43 | <alkisg> Guaraldo, sorry, I haven't used mac addresses, don't know. It worked with dns names though.
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| 14:43 | <Nubae> with mac addresses i can confirm that it doesnt work
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| 14:43 | only managed to get guest login access to work, which is almost the same as autologin
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| 14:43 | with the added benefit that other users can login too
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| 14:44 | <alkisg> Are we all talking about Ubuntu 8.04? (I also have proposed updates on...)
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| 14:44 | <Nubae> me too
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| 14:44 | <Guaraldo> Nubae, alkisg: Thank you, very much!!!
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| 14:45 | You´ve helped me a lot...
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| 14:45 | <alkisg> You're welcome. :)
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| 14:45 | <Nubae> I've just been bitching that it doesn't work, don't thank me ;-)
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| 14:46 | <Blinny> That's good work.
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| 14:52 | Gadi: Well. I'll try to shoot back in on Thursday to check in about that script. I can't get it to be fired, or to work if executed manually. I think ogra is right in that it's killing the wrong things, because the result I see is killing the session, but I never get back to the greeter to log back in.
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| 14:52 | Cheers.
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| 14:55 | <alkisg> Guaraldo, I've just tried it again with mac address, worked fine
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| 14:55 | <Guaraldo> alkisg: And I tryed with IP and didn´t...
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| 14:55 | <alkisg> But test was with virtual box NAT networking, I don't know if that affects anything...
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| 14:56 | Do the clients get any setting at all?
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| 14:56 | <Guaraldo> alkisg: That´s the latest version of ltsp... :-/
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| 14:56 | <alkisg> E.g. if you modify X_MODE_0...
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| 14:56 | <Guaraldo> alkisg: I´ll try!
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| 14:57 | <alkisg> Well, this is mine: ltsp-server 5.0.40~bzr20080212-0u Basic LTSP server environment
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| 14:57 | Guaraldo, maybe upload your lts.conf to pastebot? Maybe you overlooked something...
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| 15:01 | <Guaraldo> alkisg: No it doesn´t work too... There is an error message about discover...
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| 15:02 | <alkisg> What message?
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| 15:03 | <ltsppbot> "Guaraldo" pasted "My lts.conf" (11 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/547
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| 15:03 | "alkisg" pasted "lts.conf for autologin" (9 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/548
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| 15:03 | <alkisg> Heh! Synrchonized!
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| 15:05 | I don't have /usr/bin/discover either, where did you see this message?
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| 15:06 | <Guaraldo> Configuring LTSP client...
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| 15:07 | <alkisg> Sorry, I didn't understand, where? The client showed this while booting?
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| 15:08 | Guaraldo, where do you put lts.conf ? In /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386?
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| 15:08 | <Guaraldo> alkisg: Yep... when apears Configuring LTSP client...
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| 15:09 | <alkisg> Why do you have to configure something? You just modify lts.conf and save, there no configuring phase...
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| 15:09 | Oh, there's a "configuring ltsp client" message while booting? I didn't notice...
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| 15:15 | <Guaraldo> alkisg: without splash it apears...
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| 15:15 | <alkisg> Guaraldo, I don't see "configuring ltsp client" anywhere... You mean "Setting up LTSP client?"
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| 15:15 | (I have splash disabled)
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| 15:16 | <Guaraldo> Oh, yep... Seting up LTSP client...
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| 15:18 | <alkisg> Anyway, I don't see anything there, starting system log deamon etc but no /usr/bin/discover message. Did you install something weird in the chroot? In any case, I don't think this would affect autologin... :-/
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| 15:20 | Can you login to the client console and tftp the server and try to download lts.conf?
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| 15:20 | Or, see if it was downloaded at all?
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| 15:21 | <Guaraldo> alkisg: login console = Yes, tftp the server = How do I do that? tftp server:/ltsp/i386/lts.conf ???
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| 15:22 | <alkisg> Guaraldo, e.g. if you use dnsmasq instead of tftp-hpa, it won't be able to download it...
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| 15:22 | tftp server [enter] get /ltsp/i386/lts.conf[enter]
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| 15:24 | Guaraldo, if it was downloaded, it would be in /etc/lts.conf
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| 15:25 | <Guaraldo> them both are the same archieve (/var/lib/tftpboot/i386/lts.conf -> /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf)
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| 15:28 | <alkisg> Guaraldo, no, /etc/lts.conf in client is downloaded by tftp. I don't remember what happens if you have it in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf and it *isn't* downloaded from tftp. Do you see it now in /etc/lts.conf in the client?
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| 15:32 | <masus> hi all
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| 15:32 | <Guaraldo> alkisg: I´ve found the error... my mistake...
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| 15:33 | <alkisg> Guaraldo, ok, hope it works now.
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| 15:34 | <Lns> Can anyone tell me if the following pulseaudio howto is up-to-date for Hardy i386 users? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio
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| 15:34 | <Guaraldo> I´ve copied lts.conf to chroot and now I´m updating the kernel image...
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| 15:34 | <Lns> I'm not sure if all the steps are necessary/outdated since PA is default in 8.04
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| 15:34 | <alkisg> Guaraldo, you don't have to update the image if you put it in tftpboot... It's downloaded by tftp upon client booting
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| 15:36 | Lns, I had flash audio in the clients with the default installation without doing any of that...
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| 15:36 | <Guaraldo> :-(
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| 15:37 | <Lns> alkisg, hmm
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| 15:38 | <Nubae> Lns: I just had to install libflashsupport and flashplugin-nonfree
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| 15:38 | and flash worked on clients
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| 15:38 | <Lns> Nubae, via PA?
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| 15:38 | <alkisg> Lns, yeah, me too, I thought that was assumed...
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| 15:39 | <Nubae> yes
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| 15:39 | pulse is default in hardy
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| 15:41 | <Lns> it's just weird cuz i've followed the howto there in the url and it still pulls plenty of packages down for PA
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| 15:41 | oh well ;)
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| 15:45 | <ryudo> hi guys
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| 15:45 | <masus> hi
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| 15:45 | <ryudo> i have a problem using ltsp5 (hardy heron)
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| 15:47 | <ryudo> many floppy icons on client and server desktop
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| 15:47 | its a bug ?
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| 15:49 | <warren> hey folks on Debian/Gentoo or other distros...
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| 15:49 | <ogra> yes and its fixed already, make sure to have ll updates installed
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| 15:49 | <ryudo> hi ogra :)
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| 15:49 | all updates in hardy ?
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| 15:49 | <ogra> yep
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| 15:49 | <ryudo> my hardy no have any updates, i using a fresh install
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| 15:50 | update the system = fix the problem ?
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| 15:50 | <ogra> well, there are lots of updates in the hardy-updates repository, update manager should have told you about it
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| 15:50 | yes
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| 15:50 | <ryudo> oh ogra thank you !
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| 15:50 | i try it !
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| 15:51 | <ogra> :)
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| 15:51 | <ryudo> i need check the backports reposutory ?
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| 15:51 | <ogra> no
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| 15:51 | hardy-updates only
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| 15:51 | <ryudo> hum !
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| 15:51 | ok !
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| 15:52 | <ogra> (and security updates indeed :) )
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| 16:04 | <warren> Does Xsession on your distros support a $1 parameter that is a session launcher?
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| 16:04 | (like gnome-session or startkde)
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| 16:05 | <ogra> man Xsession says so, yes, but its not used or needed in ubuntu/debian where we rely on alternatives for that
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| 16:13 | <warren> ogra: how does it launch a different session if you select one in the ldm menu before login?
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| 16:17 | <masus> hi all one question, is it possible to boot from wan to ltsp ...
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| 16:17 | <warren> masus: generally a bad idea
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| 16:17 | masus: (if your wan is 100mbit it might be possible, but even then that is unsustainable)
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| 16:19 | <masus> i hope it will be some day 100mbit
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| 16:19 | <Lns> ltsp by nature really isn't designed for wan usage anyway (dhcp broadcasts being just one reason)
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| 16:19 | <masus> bu ifit possible please tell me how
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| 16:20 | <Lns> an normal X session over a WAN is possible though..i've done that over a 56k modem (with KDE)...heh...good times
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| 16:21 | <masus> or how to connect to an ltsp client remotely
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| 16:21 | from wan
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| 16:22 | <Lns> masus, ssh would work if you compile it into the chroot
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| 16:22 | <masus> but i want the graphical desktop
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| 16:22 | and make some tests from home
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| 16:23 | <Lns> vnc would be a good choice, or italc too is new in ubuntu hardy
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| 16:25 | <masus> vnc ok i'll try that thank u
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| 16:26 | <Lns> np
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| 17:00 | <masus> by all
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| 17:06 | <ryudo> ogra
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| 17:06 | i make all updates and the has not solved :(
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| 17:06 | problem still (many floppy icons on desktop client)
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| 17:18 | <ryudo> ogra
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| 17:19 | the bug of multiple floppy0 icons on desktop still :(
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| 17:20 | i dowload all hardy heron updates
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| 17:24 | <johnny> aha..
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| 17:24 | good to see confirmation there
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| 17:24 | yes.. those icons are still in your /tmp
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| 17:25 | <ryudo> johnny
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| 17:25 | you can help me ?
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| 17:25 | <johnny> no.. i have that issue
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| 17:25 | <ryudo> i need use rm -rf /tmp/* ?
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| 17:25 | <johnny> it won't let you
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| 17:25 | <ryudo> :( bug
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| 17:25 | <johnny> i don't know how to delete em
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| 17:27 | <ryudo> ogra say " make all updates..this bug is fixed"
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| 17:27 | <johnny> well.. it's not like it's that big of a deal
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| 17:27 | <ryudo> i make it......
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| 17:27 | <johnny> so you an relax
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| 17:30 | <Nuba1> don't u need to update the chroot as well
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| 17:31 | to fix that bug
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| 17:31 | <ryudo> i need update chroot distro ?!
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| 17:31 | how i make it ? :(
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| 17:31 | <Nuba1> think so yes
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| 17:32 | <ryudo> i dont know how make it
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| 17:32 | <johnny> ltsp-build-client
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| 17:32 | or you couold chroot into it and update it?
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| 17:32 | <ryudo> again ?!
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| 17:32 | <Nuba1> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get update
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| 17:32 | <johnny> but you do have to add hardy-proposed to it first
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| 17:32 | <Nuba1> and then same but apt-get upgrade
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| 17:32 | <ryudo> ohh ! nubal i try
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| 17:32 | <johnny> ryudo, add hardy-proposed
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| 17:32 | <Nuba1> but yeah, edit repo first and add hardy-proposed
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| 17:33 | so sudo gedit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/sources.list
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| 17:33 | <ryudo> repository on the chroot list ?
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| 17:33 | <Nuba1> yes
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| 17:34 | <ryudo> nubal how is address of this repository ?
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| 17:34 | <Nuba1> if you already have the repo in the server, u could copy the sources.list to the chroot location
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| 17:34 | same as all the others, but hardy-proposed instead
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| 17:34 | copy one of the entries and change hardy to hardy-proposed
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| 17:35 | <ryudo> ok nubal i test
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| 17:35 | thank you my friend !
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| 17:36 | <Nuba1> let me know if it works for you...
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| 17:36 | <johnny> i'll be updating my chroot tomorrow night i think
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| 17:37 | <Nuba1> hey johnny do you know if a wacom cintiq tablet will work on a thin client?
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| 17:37 | <ryudo> i test
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| 17:37 | it
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| 17:37 | wait my test
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| 17:37 | <johnny> Nuba1, i'm guessing it would
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| 17:37 | <Nuba1> I got it working great on a regular ubuntu install, but not sure about ltsp
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| 17:37 | <johnny> no guarantees tho
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| 17:37 | look in the xorg.conf on the client
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| 17:37 | see if it has the wacom stuff
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| 17:38 | <Nuba1> hmmm ok, and the kernel drivers?
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| 17:38 | all part of the server I guess
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| 17:38 | just need to add the xorg stuff then right?
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| 17:39 | just wonder about the usb detection
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| 17:39 | <johnny> uhmm .. just plug it in
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| 17:39 | and stop asking questions :)
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| 17:39 | see if it works :)
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| 17:39 | then we'll try to fix the problems
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| 17:41 | <Nuba1> I'm not at the ltsp setup
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| 17:41 | :-) otherwise I would have plugged in already
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| 17:42 | been thinking about setting up a virtual environment for testing, people do that with virtualbox or vmware right?
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| 17:42 | set the virtual machine to be a thin client...
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| 17:43 | <ryudo> updating my chroot eviroment :D
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| 17:48 | <ryudo> nubal
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| 17:49 | imake chroot update using de proposed repository
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| 17:49 | not work :(
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| 17:49 | ineed make update on server using proposed updates too ?
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| 17:49 | <johnny> all the fixes are in the client
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| 17:50 | or most of them
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| 17:51 | <ryudo> in the client = on chroot environment ?
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| 17:52 | <johnny> yes
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| 17:52 | i don't know if the fixes actually remove the old floppy0's
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| 17:52 | it only stops it from happening again prolly
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| 17:52 | <Nuba1> should work...
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| 17:52 | <johnny> i don't know how to delete the old floppy0's . :(
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| 17:52 | <Nuba1> did u rebuild the image?
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| 17:52 | <ryudo> no
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| 17:53 | <Nuba1> restart server is only way I know of
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| 17:53 | <ryudo> how i make it ? :(
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| 17:53 | <Nuba1> rebuild the image ryudo
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| 17:53 | <ryudo> how i make rebuild ? :(
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| 17:53 | <johnny> that won't help remove the floppy0's
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| 17:53 | <Nuba1> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 ltsp-update-image
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| 17:53 | <johnny> Nuba1, that won't work?
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| 17:53 | <ryudo> ok i try it !
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| 17:53 | <Nuba1> sure it will
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| 17:53 | <johnny> uhmm.. why wouldn't you just sudo ltsp-update-image
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| 17:53 | <Nuba1> and I removed them for good by taking them out of bios
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| 17:53 | <johnny> ltsp-update-image doesn't exist inside the chroot
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| 17:53 | <Nuba1> oh doh!
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| 17:54 | <ryudo> operador@lstp-server:~$ sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 ltsp-update-image
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| 17:54 | chroot: cannot run command `ltsp-update-image': No such file or directory
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| 17:54 | <Nuba1> you're right johnny
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| 17:54 | <johnny> ryudo, the problem is in your server /tmp
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| 17:54 | <Nuba1> ryudo: do waht johnny just wrote
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| 17:54 | <johnny> i just don't know how to remove them
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| 17:54 | did i suggest something?
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| 17:54 | <Nuba1> sudo ltsp-update-image
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| 17:54 | <ryudo> rm -rf /tmp/* solve ?
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| 17:55 | <Nuba1> wont work ryudo
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| 17:55 | restart server does take them away though
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| 17:55 | and if you dont use floppies, u can get rid of them by taking them out of the bios
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| 17:55 | <johnny> Nuba1, really?
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| 17:55 | <Nuba1> does for me
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| 17:55 | <johnny> ok
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| 17:55 | i'll try that
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| 17:55 | when i get a chance
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| 17:55 | prolly tomorrow night
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| 17:56 | atm.. i deal with the floppies
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| 17:56 | cuz people are using those computers
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| 17:56 | <ryudo> ok i reboot my server !
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| 17:56 | nubal i use floppy :(
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| 17:56 | <Nuba1> pxe cards dont cost much these days johnny
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| 17:56 | <ryudo> my stundents use floppy ahahah
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| 17:56 | <Nuba1> ;-)
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| 17:56 | <johnny> Nuba1 one of my computers can't pxeboot
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| 17:56 | <Nuba1> ryudo: tell them to use usb sticks
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| 17:56 | <johnny> even tugh it has a pxe card
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| 17:56 | <ryudo> nubal sorry my english is so poor :(
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| 17:56 | <johnny> it gets an error when it tries
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| 17:56 | i've been told it is due to dnsmasq tho
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| 17:56 | <Nuba1> really? wow strange
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| 17:56 | <ryudo> yeah good idea
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| 17:56 | <johnny> and how it doesn't work around certain buggy clients
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| 17:57 | unlike the isc dhcpd
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| 17:57 | <Nuba1> what about etherboot?
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| 17:58 | <johnny> how would i know if that worked?
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| 17:58 | i know the boot floppy i have does..
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| 17:58 | <Nuba1> then on a rom it should work too
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| 17:59 | <johnny> well.. what does that mean to me?
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| 17:59 | sorry.. i don't understand what you are suggesting
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| 17:59 | <Nubae> rom on a network card
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| 18:00 | etherboot instead of pxe
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| 18:00 | for the fault computer
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| 18:00 | faulty
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| 18:00 | <johnny> how would i do that?
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| 18:00 | <Nubae> get a network card with etherboot instead of pxe
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| 18:01 | <johnny> oh.. this is built in
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| 18:01 | <Nubae> or buy an eprom, think rom-o.matic even sell them
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| 18:01 | <johnny> trying not to spend any more on
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| 18:01 | cards
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| 18:01 | the floppy is fine
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| 18:01 | 1 of 4 is ok enough
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| 18:01 | <Nubae> the eprom is a chip
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| 18:02 | <johnny> i know.. but i'm not paying to fix up one card
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| 18:02 | <Nubae> u could probaby plug into the card
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| 18:02 | <johnny> it's not wroth it
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| 18:02 | <Nubae> hmm... maybe not... for me it was causing me more time to get the rom-o-matic floppies and cdroms made
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| 18:03 | but thats with 70 computers
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| 18:03 | not just a couple
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| 18:04 | <johnny> sure
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| 18:04 | but then you get bulk costs :)
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| 18:04 | and can buy stuff that actually has consistant hardware :)
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| 18:04 | <Nubae> well... u'd think so
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| 18:04 | <ryudo> nubal
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| 18:04 | <johnny> unlike my motley mix :)
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| 18:04 | <Nubae> wouldn't you :-)
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| 18:04 | <ryudo> i make all updates on chroot
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| 18:04 | <Nubae> but I have like 20 different kind of machines
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| 18:04 | <ryudo> rebuild my image
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| 18:04 | <Nubae> inheritance laws...
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| 18:04 | <ryudo> and reboot my server
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| 18:05 | dont work :(
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| 18:05 | many floppys on desktop :(
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| 18:05 | <Nubae> strange... ryudo... should work
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| 18:05 | have u also updated the server?
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| 18:05 | <ryudo> no
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| 18:05 | <Nubae> with hardy-proposed
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| 18:05 | do that too
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| 18:05 | <ryudo> i no update the server using proposed repository
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| 18:06 | <johnny> Nubae, ogra said that all of the relevent fixes were in the client
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| 18:06 | <ryudo> ok i try again
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| 18:06 | <johnny> so no need to make the server hardy-proposed
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| 18:06 | <ryudo> :(
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| 18:06 | <Nubae> hmmm... he told me to do both
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| 18:06 | <johnny> ryudo, come back when ogra is here
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| 18:06 | comment on the bugs
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| 18:06 | <Nubae> yeah... to be honest, I haven't seen it work...
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| 18:06 | the multiple removable media thing...
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| 18:07 | <ryudo> updateting my server using proposed updates
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| 18:07 | <Nubae> but then I haven't had my chroot and server updated
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| 18:11 | <jammcq> hola
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| 18:11 | !seen sbalneav
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| 18:11 | <ltspbot> jammcq: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 1 day, 1 hour, 46 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <sbalneav> I'll pop in later tonight. Off home for the day.
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| 18:11 | <Lns> hey jammcq
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| 18:12 | <jammcq> hey lns
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| 18:13 | <ryudo> 15 floppy icons on client desktop
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| 18:13 | ehehe :( I will cry
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| 18:15 | <Lns> wow ryudo, you have 15 floppy drives in one client? =p
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| 18:15 | that's impressive
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| 18:15 | <ryudo> no its a freaking bug :)
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| 18:15 | <Lns> oh, I thought you had some crazy usb floppy cluster going there. ;)
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| 18:15 | * Lns doesn't think sarcasm translates well | |
| 18:16 | <Lns> I wish *I* had 15 floppy drives
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| 18:17 | <Nubae> ryudo: then only one solutino I can think of
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| 18:17 | disable floppy drives from bios
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| 18:17 | get kids to use usb sticks
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| 18:17 | <ryudo> :{
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| 18:17 | kids are kill me
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| 18:17 | <Nubae> or just enable one computer with the floppy
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| 18:18 | tell them they have to put it in that computer
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| 18:18 | <ryudo> in ltsp fesity version all will fine ich floppys
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| 18:18 | <Nubae> i know its a recent bug
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| 18:18 | <ryudo> but in hardy heron no :(
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| 18:18 | <Nubae> because of the move to gvfs
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| 18:18 | <ryudo> its true
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| 18:18 | :{
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| 18:24 | <johnny> or.. just wate til it gets fixed..
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| 18:24 | wait*
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| 18:26 | <Nubae> its supposed to be fixed
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| 18:26 | according to launchpad and the devs...
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| 18:30 | <ryudo> nubae
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| 18:30 | where i find this ticket on lauchpad ?
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| 18:31 | i need read it
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| 18:45 | <ryudo> nubae
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| 18:45 | finish ALL updates
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| 18:46 | i go restart the server and try again :D
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| 18:53 | <ryudo> nubae
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| 18:53 | dont work :(
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| 18:53 | i make all updates avaliabes and the floppy bug still
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| 18:55 | <johnny> ryudo, then come back tomorrow :)
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| 18:56 | <ryudo> :{ i need fix this issue johnny
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| 18:59 | <johnny> ogra will be about tomorrow hopefully
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| 18:59 | you can bug him then :)
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| 19:02 | <ryudo> :{
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| 21:14 | <ryudo> !seen ogra
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| 21:14 | <ltspbot> ryudo: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 5 hours, 8 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: <ogra> man Xsession says so, yes, but its not used or needed in ubuntu/debian where we rely on alternatives for that
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| 21:14 | <ryudo> !seen sbal
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| 21:14 | <ltspbot> ryudo: I have not seen sbal.
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| 21:15 | <ryudo> !seen sbalneves
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| 21:15 | <ltspbot> ryudo: I have not seen sbalneves.
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| 21:15 | <ryudo> !seen gadi
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| 21:15 | <ltspbot> ryudo: gadi was last seen in #ltsp 8 hours, 44 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <Gadi> bbiab
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| 21:15 | <johnny> ryudo, scott isn't around often
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| 21:15 | stop that please
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| 21:15 | people will help you when they can
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| 21:15 | <ryudo> sorry johnny
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| 21:15 | <johnny> gonna have to try back in at least 4 more hours
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| 21:15 | ogra won't be around until at least that point
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| 21:16 | <ryudo> whats o' clock in your country ?
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| 21:16 | <johnny> mine.. 2217
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| 21:16 | ogra.. a bit later
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| 21:16 | :)
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| 21:16 | <ryudo> 23:16 here
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| 21:16 | <johnny> i'm GMT -5
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| 21:16 | he's GMT + 2 at least
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| 21:16 | <ryudo> i'm GMT -3
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| 21:16 | <johnny> maybe 3..
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| 21:17 | <ryudo> johnny you update your serve wich all proposed updates and chroot too ?
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| 21:17 | <johnny> not until tomorrow night
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| 21:17 | or friday night at the latest
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| 21:18 | <ryudo> hum i aplly all updates here
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| 21:19 | but the many icons in the desktop not desapear
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| 21:19 | floppy icons
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| 21:24 | <johnny> ryudo, does it keep adding more?
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| 21:24 | maybe you have to find a way to forcibly remove them
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| 21:26 | <ryudo> to each new terminal that makes login, a new icon file is added on the desktop of the other terminals. if i have 15 terminals logged i have 15 icons on desktop ! O_O
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| 21:27 | i try remove /tmp/terminal files but dont solve ehehe
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| 21:43 | <johnny> even after the updates ?
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| 22:09 | <ryudo> yes
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| 22:11 | <johnny> it could be because of those files tho..
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| 22:12 | i bet it doesn't remove the old files
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| 22:12 | n
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