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Channel log from 6 November 2013 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:09 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: did you get a chance to look over it? (I am going to eat and then be back, but wanted to check in)
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| 00:12 | * vagrantc looks | |
| 00:17 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: basic-mint-conf lacks closing fi ;; esac
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| 00:17 | <bennabiy> yes, I fixed that
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| 00:17 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: and set-mint-dist missing fi
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| 00:18 | and still has --no-check-gpg
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| 00:18 | <bennabiy> yes, that is fixed as well
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| 00:19 | <vagrantc> and --force-yes
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| 00:19 | <bennabiy> I will remove that and test it
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| 00:19 | while I eat I will let it build
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| 00:19 | <vagrantc> it doesn't appear fixed on the review...
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| 00:19 | <bennabiy> no, I need to push
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| 00:20 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: since earl-packages isn't early enough, put linuxmint-keyring in late-packages
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| 00:22 | * vagrantc forgets why the checks need to be mint_dist || lsb_release_i && -z option_dist_value | |
| 00:23 | <bennabiy> I think the reason for the needing accept-unsigned is because the chroot is ubuntu before those packages are installed
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| 00:23 | <vagrantc> why canat you just set mint-dist
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| 00:23 | bennabiy: yes, you need to do what --apt-keys does
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| 00:23 | in order to fix that
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| 00:23 | <bennabiy> ok, I need to go, but please keep putting what you see and when I get back I will address it
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| 00:23 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: ideally through adding your keyring to the apt-keys var
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| 00:24 | <bennabiy> how?
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| 00:24 | ok, I am really going now
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| 00:25 | <vagrantc> like all the other vars, APT_KEYS=/path/to/your/keyring, making sure not to overwrite the existing setting
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| 00:49 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: i'm going to just make some changes and merge it
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| 01:02 | <bennabiy> back
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| 01:02 | what changes are you going to make?
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| 01:03 | please wait
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| 01:06 | <vagrantc> merging basic-conf-mint into set-mint-dist
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| 01:08 | <bennabiy> something is still not right with it
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| 01:09 | I will compile the changes into one file, and then you can check it, but let me make sure it works
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| 01:29 | <bennabiy> why would the commandline options not pass the arguments to the configure stage?
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| 01:31 | vagrantc: I am running into the issue that unless I set DIST before 000-basic-configuration, then the only option I have is to force mint to change the dist, or to do some fancy codework...
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| 01:32 | because if I allow for mint to detect DIST as existing, or my updated value, it is always going to be existing, which by default will be the codename of the mint dist...
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| 01:34 | <bennabiy> This was why we were needing to do special casing... Do you see what I mean?
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| 01:34 | I updated the code a bit
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| 01:41 | * vagrantc looks | |
| 01:41 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: i think i see
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| 01:42 | <bennabiy> if I make a mint user have to put --mint-dist blah and in 001-set-mint-dist force DIST to the matching ubuntu, then it works
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| 01:43 | but if I try to have DIST=${DIST:-$(sed -n 's/base_codename=//p' "/usr/share/mintsources/$MINT_DIST/mintsources.conf")}
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| 01:43 | DIST will always be set at that point, to the wrong setting
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| 01:43 | which was why we originally made the changes in 000-basic-configuration
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| 01:46 | just pushed update
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| 01:46 | <vagrantc> doh.
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| 01:46 | <bennabiy> 2495
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| 01:47 | doh?
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| 01:47 | <vagrantc> i had something i think should handle that...
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| 01:47 | <bennabiy> I have a test server up which I can actively test a build on.
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| 01:48 | <vagrantc> drop apt_get_opts and debootstrapopts if you're just setting them to the same thing :p
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| 01:50 | but it conflicted with your changes
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| 01:50 | <bennabiy> pushed
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| 01:52 | <bennabiy> If I use APT_KEYS will it use the file on my machine to validate the chroot?
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| 01:52 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: yes
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| 01:53 | well, it will only validate apt keys
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| 01:53 | not debootstrap
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| 01:54 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 01:54 | debootstrap is ubuntu, with key in place
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| 01:54 | <vagrantc> good
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| 01:55 | <bennabiy> ok, so check the code now.
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| 01:55 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: i think the remaining changes will be easier for me to just change in code than explain
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| 01:57 | <bennabiy> I think I got it
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| 01:58 | check now. APT_KEYS in place... I am testing a build by just running ltsp-build-client and seeing if I get a valid chroot with no errors
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| 01:59 | Do you know if I can have two build processes going at the same time?
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| 02:00 | can I in two term windows build both a i386 and a amd64 client?
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| 02:00 | <vagrantc> if you specify a different --chroot
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| 02:00 | <bennabiy> yes, diff arch
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| 02:00 | <vagrantc> or a different arch has a different chroot by default
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| 02:00 | * bennabiy nods | |
| 02:01 | <vagrantc> if they finish at the same time there might be problems
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| 02:01 | but nothing that re-running ltsp-update-kernels shouldn't fix
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| 02:02 | <bennabiy> I think I spaced them enough apart
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| 02:02 | Did you see the most recent changes?
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| 02:04 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: i keep pulling and rewriting my fixes...
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| 02:06 | <bennabiy> I am done... how would you say... for me "It Works™"
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| 02:06 | are you pulling from my repo?
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| 02:06 | I mean my ... mind blank
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| 02:07 | branch!
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| 02:09 | heh, when it does its build image and tftproot, it picks up the second install... wonder how that'll do
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| 02:10 | vagrantc: I appreciate you putting up with my random mutterings, and attempts at coding.
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| 02:10 | I hope I get the chance to meet you some day
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| 02:11 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: seems plausible :)
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| 02:12 | <bennabiy> wow, they didnt collide
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| 02:12 | second build still going strong
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| 02:12 | How long are you going to be in Maine?
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| 02:13 | <vagrantc> just till tomorrow
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| 02:13 | <bennabiy> If you feel like taking a day trip with your friend, we have a deli in Rutland, VT, or a 24 hour deli in Oneonta, NY and a few cafes in Mass..
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| 02:14 | Tell me you are going there, and I will call them and make sure they take good care of you :)
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| 02:14 | <vagrantc> i will have to take a rain check :)
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| 02:14 | <bennabiy> or when you get back to the west coast, we have a 24 hour deli in Vista, CA
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| 02:15 | or Manitou Springs, CO or Boulder, CO
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| 02:15 | ;)
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| 02:15 | <vagrantc> so many choices! :)
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| 02:16 | <bennabiy> and more coming ... we like serving people
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| 02:16 | We are building a 24 hour one where I am at right now
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| 02:19 | <vagrantc> doh. my new code doesn't properly support a configuration file
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| 02:20 | <bennabiy> Are you testing your code on a mint box?
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| 02:20 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: paste.debian.net/64237
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| 02:20 | just on my brain
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| 02:22 | and there's n way to build ubuntu on mint...
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| 02:22 | <bennabiy> wouldnt if [ -n "$option_mint_dist_value" ]; then
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| 02:22 | + MINT_DIST="$MINT_DIST"
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| 02:22 | have to be if [ -n "$option_mint_dist_value" ]; then
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| 02:22 | + MINT_DIST="$option_mint_dist_value"
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| 02:22 | <vagrantc> correct
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| 02:23 | <bennabiy> I do like how you check that.
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| 02:23 | <vagrantc> now you're the reviewer :)
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| 02:24 | <bennabiy> I wonder if it would be possible to just put a flag like --non-mint --dist
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| 02:24 | <vagrantc> also want to use longhang lsb_release stuff
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| 02:24 | or --mint-dist=none
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| 02:24 | <bennabiy> you also left in reference to LSB_RELEASE_C but took out the variable set
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| 02:25 | line 12
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| 02:25 | <vagrantc> it sets it and uses it later
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| 02:25 | it's line 4.5
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| 02:25 | i.e.$ot represented in the diff
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| 02:26 | <bennabiy> ahh
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| 02:26 | <vagrantc> this is just a diff against your code
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| 02:26 | <bennabiy> I just wondered why it showed the LSB_RELEASE_I but not C
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| 02:27 | I get it now
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| 02:27 | <vagrantc> it gives a certain nu ber of lines of ccontext
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| 02:27 | <bennabiy> I missed that
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| 02:27 | so, what does your code not account for? making a non mint chroot?
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| 02:28 | <vagrantc> yup, which can be fixed later
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| 02:28 | <bennabiy> Is it possible to make a flag which has no options, just an existance which makes it ignore all mint related stuff?
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| 02:28 | something like --extra-help
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| 02:29 | <vagrantc> yes, but i'd rather re-use --mint-dist=none
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| 02:29 | and special-case none
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| 02:29 | <bennabiy> I like that
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| 02:29 | <vagrantc> ok, so i'll merge this
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| 02:30 | <bennabiy> want me to test your code?
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| 02:30 | <vagrantc> eventually
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| 02:30 | <bennabiy> I would hate for another merge which actually doesn't work
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| 02:30 | <vagrantc> :)
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| 02:31 | <bennabiy> mine currently works and I can make it do that test like you had which would case none
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| 02:32 | <vagrantc> well, i could see some issues that this should fix
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| 02:35 | see another rror in my code
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| 02:36 | <bennabiy> the lack of the fi?
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| 02:37 | should be a fi at line 11, or somewhere later.
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| 02:37 | <vagrantc> yeah, used elif instead
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| 02:41 | <bennabiy> I have an idea about the non ability to make ubuntu chroot
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| 02:41 | let me try something and pastebin you
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| 02:43 | <vagrantc> already got --mint-dist=none implemented
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| 02:44 | hopefully they never name a dist "none"
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| 02:45 | <bennabiy> heh... linuxmint - were number none!
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| 02:46 | LinuxMint None - the low-cal "mint"
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| 02:46 | I have about 15 more minutes
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| 02:46 | I told my wife I would be back around then
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| 02:48 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: it should be merged by then :)
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| 02:48 | <bennabiy> gret
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| 02:48 | great
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| 02:48 | Do you have children?
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| 02:48 | <vagrantc> i'm ready to merge what i have
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| 02:49 | <bennabiy> mind if I look at it?
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| 02:51 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: full diff from ltsp: pastebin.debian.net/64241
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| 02:52 | bennabiy: we can drop early_packages too, now
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| 02:53 | <bennabiy> because it is the same as the ubuntu right?
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| 02:53 | <vagrantc> yes
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| 02:53 | might be good to make a new keyring-packages option... since if someone uses --late-packages on mint they won't end up with a keyting package
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| 02:55 | guess we could also check if dist = mint_dist before mangling dist
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| 02:56 | that would handle dist set via commandline or environment or configuration file
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| 02:56 | <bennabiy> one change
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| 02:56 | <vagrantc> bring it on!
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| 02:56 | <bennabiy> doesnt BLAH="" still = an empty string?
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| 02:57 | <vagrantc> yup
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| 02:57 | could use unset instead, i suppose
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| 02:58 | <bennabiy> if [ "$MINT_DIST" = "none" ]; then
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| 02:58 | MINT_DIST=""
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| 02:58 | fi
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| 02:58 | would not change the ability to put a different DIST in
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| 02:59 | <vagrantc> true
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| 02:59 | <bennabiy> if at 67 would still = true
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| 02:59 | well... actually, the dist would then be set through 001-set-dist
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| 03:00 | because you would not use mint-dist none without specifying the ubuntu/debian dist you wanted to use
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| 03:00 | <vagrantc> to install ubuntu on mint requires setting DIST
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| 03:00 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 03:01 | <vagrantc> a reasonable compromise, i hpe
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| 03:01 | <bennabiy> most people would want a mint chroot on mint... I know of many who do not like the ubuntu artwork and such
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| 03:01 | so are you going to unset instead?
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| 03:01 | <vagrantc> nah
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| 03:02 | * vagrantc wants to get the functional merge ovr with and deal wit trivial patches here on out | |
| 03:03 | <bennabiy> ok, so how can I test it?
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| 03:03 | can you pastebin me the final version of 001-set-mint-dist without the diff formatting?
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| 03:05 | <vagrantc> maybe i'm overconfident, but i think we should push what's here and fix it later
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| 03:06 | <bennabiy> did you want to remove early from mint stanza?
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| 03:06 | I noticed it was still there
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| 03:07 | <vagrantc> i did
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| 03:10 | <bennabiy> umm your code you pasted me is missing ;; I think
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| 03:11 | <vagrantc> where?
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| 03:11 | <bennabiy> I mean " ..line...
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| 03:12 | 66
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| 03:12 | <vagrantc> so right
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| 03:12 | <bennabiy> + if [ -n "$MINT_DIST ] && [ -z "$option_dist_value" ]; then
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| 03:13 | ^
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| 03:13 | bah
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| 03:13 | _________________________^
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| 03:13 | <vagrantc> gt it
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| 03:15 | bennabiy: it's all pushed now
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| 03:16 | <jammcq> I see a missing "
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| 03:16 | <bennabiy> where?
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| 03:16 | <jammcq> -n "$MINT_DIST
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| 03:16 | needs a trailling "
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| 03:16 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 03:16 | <vagrantc> yup, pushed upstream
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| 03:17 | <bennabiy> pushed the " with it, right?
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| 03:17 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: yup
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| 03:17 | * bennabiy grins | |
| 03:17 | <bennabiy> how about whitespace?
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| 03:17 | I am running the code on my test machine
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| 03:17 | <vagrantc> trailing whitespace? hrm.
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| 03:17 | <bennabiy> one run normal, the next with none
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| 03:18 | no, I am just pulling your leg
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| 03:18 | it looked fine
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| 03:19 | <vagrantc> there is some trailing whitespace on one line, but i'm not going to bother.
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| 03:19 | the MINT_MIRROR line
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| 03:20 | ah, pushed that too
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| 03:21 | bennabiy: so to install ubuntu chroot: --mint-dist none --dist precise
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| 03:21 | or whatever ubuntu dist you need
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| 03:22 | just --mint-dist none will fail
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| 03:23 | bennabiy: and this should mean it ships in debian soon, for what that's worth
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| 03:24 | which should trickle into ubuntu at some point
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| 03:26 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 03:27 | I just updated my PPA to build the latest code (which is matching upstream) so those who need to use it can.
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| 03:27 | I will update my !LinuxMint
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| 03:27 | !LinuxMint
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| 03:27 | <ltsp`> LinuxMint: LinuxMint: Now Available: https://launchpad.net/~bennabiy/+archive/testing Developmental Branch for Mint support (Does not support LMDE yet, sorry) The client build process might be a bit unstable. To build a working Mint chroot, as root, type: MINT_DIST=<codename> ltsp-build-client --arch <arch> --accept-unsigned-packages
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| 03:29 | <bennabiy> !learn as LinuxMint Now Available: https://launchpad.net/~bennabiy/+archive/testing Developmental Branch for Mint support (Does not support LMDE yet, sorry) to build a non mint chroot, as root, type: ltsp-build-client --arch <arch> --mint-dist none --dist <precise...>
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| 03:29 | <ltsp`> (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value.
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| 03:30 | <vagrantc> learn FOO as
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| 03:30 | <bennabiy> !learn LinuxMint as Now Available: https://launchpad.net/~bennabiy/+archive/testing Developmental Branch for Mint support (Does not support LMDE yet, sorry) to build a non mint chroot, as root, type: ltsp-build-client --arch <arch> --mint-dist none --dist <precise...>
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| 03:30 | <ltsp`> The operation succeeded.
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| 03:30 | <bennabiy> !forget LinuxMint 1
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| 03:30 | <ltsp`> The operation succeeded.
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| 03:30 | <bennabiy> !LinuxMint
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| 03:30 | <ltsp`> LinuxMint: Now Available: https://launchpad.net/~bennabiy/+archive/testing Developmental Branch for Mint support (Does not support LMDE yet, sorry) to build a non mint chroot, as root, type: ltsp-build-client --arch <arch> --mint-dist none --dist <precise...>
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| 03:30 | <bennabiy> make sense?
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| 03:30 | <vagrantc> sure.. worked ok?
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| 03:31 | <bennabiy> I have not tested the none yet... doing that now
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| 03:31 | <vagrantc> the --arch is optional
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| 03:32 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 03:32 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: could probably shorten the factoid
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| 03:32 | <bennabiy> Tell me what it should say, and I will say it
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| 03:32 | Or you can edit it how you will
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| 03:32 | <vagrantc> i.e. drop now available, the lmde bit, etc
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| 03:32 | and the non-mint part
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| 03:33 | <bennabiy> !forget LinuxMint
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| 03:33 | <ltsp`> The operation succeeded.
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| 03:33 | <vagrantc> we've got backups
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| 03:33 | <bennabiy> !learn LinuxMint as https://launchpad.net/~bennabiy/+archive/testing Developmental Branch for Mint support
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| 03:33 | <ltsp`> The operation succeeded.
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| 03:33 | <bennabiy> !LinuxMint
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| 03:33 | <ltsp`> LinuxMint: https://launchpad.net/~bennabiy/+archive/testing Developmental Branch for Mint support
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| 03:33 | <bennabiy> better?
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| 03:33 | <vagrantc> seems a little cleaner
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| 03:34 | bennabiy: congrats!
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| 03:34 | <bennabiy> I can put the info on the PPA to tell how to build a non mint
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| 03:34 | <vagrantc> mint on mint worked, though?
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| 03:34 | yeah, exaclty
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| 03:34 | <bennabiy> Well, somehow I bombed my tftp server
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| 03:35 | I need to fix that
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| 03:35 | seems my doing two at once did actually mess it up
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| 03:35 | <vagrantc> though mostly i think that was alkisg being pedantic :)
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| 03:35 | <bennabiy> As long as it works, it works
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| 03:35 | <vagrantc> re-running it should fix it
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| 03:35 | <bennabiy> rerunning what?
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| 03:35 | <vagrantc> ltsp-update-kernels
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| 03:36 | one they're both built
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| 03:37 | <bennabiy> nope
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| 03:37 | still bombed
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| 03:38 | <vagrantc> hmmm
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| 03:39 | <bennabiy> the tftp i386 folder and redid ltsp-update-kernels
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| 03:39 | it is still not working
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| 03:40 | I wonder if I should remove and reinstall?
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| 03:45 | <vagrantc> did it fail to finish ltsp-build-client?
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| 03:46 | <bennabiy> nope
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| 03:46 | although I still didnt test none
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| 03:47 | teting nw
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| 03:48 | hmm, rev number is lower than my old repo, so build is going to fail on my recipe...
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| 03:48 | do i need to delete old packages?
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| 03:48 | <vagrantc> you definitely should get rid of improperly versioned packages
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| 03:49 | these should probably be ltsp 5.4.6~bzrNNNN
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| 03:51 | <bennabiy> it is still calling itself 5.4.3
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| 03:51 | # bzr-builder format 0.3 deb-version {debversion}+r{revno}+p{revno:pkg}
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| 03:51 | lp:~bennabiy/ltsp/ltsp-LM
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| 03:51 | nest pkg lp:~ts.sch.gr/sch-scripts/ltsp-debian-packaging debian
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| 03:53 | <vagrantc> the debian/changelog file is probably 5.4.3
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| 03:55 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 03:56 | probably
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| 03:57 | well, it seems to be pulling all the right files,
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| 03:57 | probably safe to say it works
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| 03:59 | <vagrantc> or ltsp 5.4.5+bzrNNNN
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| 04:00 | <bennabiy> well, I should be getting to bed.
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| 04:00 | * vagrantc too | |
| 04:00 | <bennabiy> 11 PM here, and I am an hour past when I said I was going to ...
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| 04:00 | I will find out in the morning if it all works. I will do a fresh install and test it
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| 04:01 | <vagrantc> i'll be transiting most of tomorrow, but might have a moment here or there to check in
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| 04:01 | <bennabiy> have a safe trip
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| 04:05 | ok, PPA updated with upstream, including translations
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| 04:05 | night!
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| 04:52 | <alkisg> alkisg 7012 0.5 0.0 3572 708 pts/7 S+ 06:50 0:00 xatomwait LTSP_COMMAND
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| 04:52 | alkisg 6989 0.0 0.0 6624 808 pts/4 S+ 06:50 0:00 xprop -spy -root LTSP_COMMAND
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| 04:52 | Does that mean that xprop only needs 100Kb more RAM than xatomwait?
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| 04:52 | Why was xatomwait preferred instead?
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| 04:53 | (I mean, implement a .c program instead of just using xprop...)
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| 05:01 | <vagrantc> alkisg: using xprop in a loop was really brutal on the client
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| 05:01 | <alkisg> vagrantc: xprop runs one, xatomwait runs in a loop
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| 05:01 | <vagrantc> but not sure if some of those options worked as well
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| 05:01 | <alkisg> *once
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| 05:01 | Meaning that it has its own internal loop, we don't need to call it in a loop
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| 05:02 | We could implement an ltsp-localappsd as a "daemon", xprop -spy | while read output; do execute it...
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| 05:02 | And we'd kill it as usually with deamons, or it would exit when X exited
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| 05:02 | <vagrantc> worth testing
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| 05:03 | i do recall the xprop only implementation was brutal on low power clients
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| 05:03 | but it might be possible to do better
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| 05:03 | <alkisg> We already depend/call xprop, just with `-set` instead of `-spy`...
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| 05:04 | So sharing a program twice might even save ram
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| 05:04 | (memory sharing, I don't know the details of code segments sharing in linux but it should be there)
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| 05:04 | <vagrantc> xatomwait definitely improved things, but i'm open to see something better that relies on existing code
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| 05:09 | <vagrantc> alkisg: -spy doesn't seem to work on unset props
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| 05:09 | <alkisg> vagrantc: it needs initialization
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| 05:09 | xprop -root -f LTSP_COMMAND 8s -set LTSP_COMMAND ""
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| 05:09 | <vagrantc> right
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| 05:12 | alkisg: hope the mint implementation merge looks ok
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| 05:12 | of course botched something before mergin
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| 05:12 | * alkisg hasn't used ltsp-build-client in ages, don't know how much I can test there... :/ | |
| 05:13 | <vagrantc> so there are two cleanup commits... had they got caught minutes ealier
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| 05:13 | alkisg: for someone who doesn't use it, you have a lot to offer :)
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| 05:13 | <alkisg> :)
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| 05:15 | vagrantc: http://paste.debian.net/64251/
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| 05:17 | * vagrantc wonders how that compared to the original code | |
| 05:18 | <vagrantc> could even do while read value equals command opts
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| 05:18 | skip the sed
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| 05:18 | <alkisg> vagrantc: the alternative idea is to run from the client: output=$(ssh server create-socket-and-listen-for-command-written-on-it)
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| 05:18 | So we wouldn't depend on X at all
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| 05:19 | <vagrantc> could be cool
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| 05:20 | <alkisg> Where can users safely create sockets?
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| 05:20 | <vagrantc> no idea
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| 05:21 | * alkisg googles for mkfifo... | |
| 05:21 | <vagrantc> in /tmp .... useing mktemp -d
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| 05:26 | <alkisg> ssh localhost cat /bin/ls | md5sum -
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| 05:27 | ==> ok, we can even get binary files that way :D
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| 05:28 | * vagrantc finds a way to sleep | |
| 05:28 | <vagrantc> alkisg: keep schemeing!
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| 05:29 | <alkisg> Good night!
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| 05:52 | <alkisg> client: ssh localhost sh -c "'mkfifo /tmp/ltsptest && cat /tmp/ltsptest; rm -f /tmp/ltsptest'" | md5sum -
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| 05:52 | server side: echo command > /tmp/ltsptest
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| 05:52 | That way we can run commands on the client from the server... replacing xatomwait etc
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| 05:53 | <alkisg> *without the md5sum - bit
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| 05:53 | It's also binary-safe
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| 05:54 | And encypted etc etc
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| 07:01 | <FrozenZi1> Morning!
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| 07:04 | <FrozenZia> We're doing an ltsp-pnp install today. Plan was to go with LXDE for the desktop-environment, but we've managed to NOT install it, and our image creation is already underway.
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| 07:05 | So we're forging ahead with this Ubuntu 12.04 install that is using gnome-classic.
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| 07:30 | * alkisg is playing with xatomwait and xprop: | |
| 07:30 | <alkisg> 100 instances of xatomwait need 20 mb ram and make the system crawl
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| 07:31 | 100 instances of xprop need 21 mb ram and the system doesn't crawl at all
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| 07:32 | Load average: 24...
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| 07:33 | ...40... :)
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| 07:40 | So xatomwait needs about 2% of my CPU, and xprop needs zero CPU
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| 07:45 | <FrozenZia> Hmmm... our client doesn't seem to be getting an IP address on network boot. Is that a DHCP-server problem or a DNS-masq problem? (or neither?)
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| 07:51 | <alkisg> FrozenZia: did you run ltsp-config dnsmasq --overwrite ?
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| 07:51 | Also, do you have a router in that network, to provide dhcp?
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| 07:53 | <FrozenZia> alkisg: 1st question - no, we hadn't. That did it, THANKS!
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| 07:55 | <alkisg> sbalneav, stgraber, ogra_: any comments on replacing xatomwait with xprop -spy? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/1248438
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| 07:55 | * alkisg will read the irclogs later... | |
| 07:58 | <FrozenZia> alkisg: is that command needed nowadays for some reason, or did we just have a strange situation? It doesn't seem to be in the guides we were following (Asmo's and yours).
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| 07:58 | <alkisg> FrozenZia: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 07:58 | It's mentioned there
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| 07:58 | (that's my "guide"...)
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| 08:00 | <FrozenZia> alkisg: sorry, but unless I need to refresh my cache, I'm looking at your guide and there's no --overwrite there...
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| 08:01 | <alkisg> FrozenZia: the --overwrite part isn't needed
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| 08:01 | If the file that it tries to create exists, you get a warning
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| 08:02 | I.e. ltsp-config dnsmasq (once) => all ok, (twice) ==> file exists
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| 08:02 | So the --overwrite part is only needed the second time you run it
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| 08:02 | <FrozenZia> got it.
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| 08:02 | <alkisg> bbiab
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| 08:05 | <FrozenZia> Ooookay, we maybe have an explanation -- we actually had given the ltsp-config dnsmasq command, but only after that was our network properly in place.
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| 08:20 | <alkisg> Yup, that's a usual cause, that's why I automatically suggest the --overwrite parameter :D
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| 10:35 | <teacher> I have set up a client to boot from the local image I copied to its disk, instead of the image located on ther server. Now the client boots normally, but the user's information is not available. I cannot login with any user. The file lts.conf is totally ignored. What am I missing?
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| 10:39 | <Hyperbyte> teacher, I'm not entirely sure. You should wait for alkisg, he's the resident LTSP oracle.
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| 10:40 | One thing I can think of is that it might help to place the lts.conf inside the local image, in /etc/ltsp/
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| 10:40 | I believe LTSP still looks there as alternative to tftp
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| 10:40 | <teacher> I'll try that. thanks
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| 10:42 | <roces4> hello
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| 10:42 | <Hyperbyte> Hi!
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| 10:42 | <roces4> i have a problem in ltsp
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| 10:42 | <Hyperbyte> !ask
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| 10:42 | <ltsp`> ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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| 10:43 | <roces4> how can i runnining rdp in client to windows serwer terminal
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| 10:43 | <Hyperbyte> See:
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| 10:43 | !lts.conf
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| 10:43 | <ltsp`> lts.conf: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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| 10:43 | <roces4> i know
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| 10:43 | <Hyperbyte> Looks at SCREEN_01...12 options
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| 10:43 | -s
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| 10:45 | <roces4> this is my configuration in /var/lib/tftboot/ltsp/i386
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| 10:46 | LOCALL_APPS = true
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| 10:46 | LOcALL_APPS = rdesktop, xterm
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| 10:46 | SCREEN_01 = rdesktop - f 172.16.1.230
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| 10:47 | and when client booting is ubuntu screen login
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| 10:47 | no windows :(
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| 10:49 | please help me
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| 10:49 | where is wrong
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| 10:50 | 11:42] <Hyperbyte> Looks at SCREEN_01...12 options [11:42] <Hyperbyte> -s
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| 10:51 | how
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| 10:52 | could you help me
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| 10:58 | <Hyperbyte> You have all kinds of errors in your lts.conf file, at least in what you posted above
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| 10:58 | Pastebin your lts.conf file
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| 10:58 | !pastebin
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| 10:58 | <ltsp`> pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 11:03 | <Burned1> hello all o/
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| 11:05 | <roces4> this is link to my lts.conf
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| 11:05 | http://pastebin.com/WteFcaz2
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| 11:05 | <Hyperbyte> Burned1, hi!
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| 11:06 | <roces4> hyperbyte can you see this file
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| 11:06 | <Hyperbyte> roces4, yes. So what happens with the client?
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| 11:07 | <roces4> all the clients are booting to ubuntu serwer
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| 11:07 | i need that all the clients boot to windows serwer terminal for ex . 172.16.1.123
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| 11:08 | maybe the image is wrong?
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| 11:08 | <Hyperbyte> roces4, no
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| 11:08 | Problem is in your lts.conf.
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| 11:08 | Why do you have SCREEN_01 and SCREEN_02 with two different servers?
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| 11:08 | <roces4> what problem?
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| 11:09 | because i have 2 serwers, first for agents and second for supervisor
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| 11:09 | deafult all clients don't see this serwer only LDM ubuntu login
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| 11:09 | :(
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| 11:11 | <Hyperbyte> roces4, use SCREEN_07=rdesktop
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| 11:11 | (with the options)
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| 11:11 | I.e, change SCREEN_01 to SCREEN_07
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| 11:18 | <roces4> maybe all clients don't have rdesktop aplication?
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| 11:20 | i go check this change, i have to ltsp-update-image?
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| 11:24 | <Hyperbyte> roces4, no
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| 11:25 | <roces4> ok only change screen
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| 11:33 | <Burned1> anyone know if is possible to install acrobat reader on clients?
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| 11:34 | i have installed it on the server with canonical repository
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| 11:34 | (ubuntu server)
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| 11:34 | then i have upgraded the image
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| 11:35 | but on clients i cant use it
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| 11:35 | i wrong something?
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| 11:37 | <Hyperbyte> Burned1, are you using fat or thin clients?
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| 11:37 | <Burned1> fat
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| 11:37 | if i chroot...
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| 11:37 | i can't do apt-get install acroread...
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| 11:38 | no package is found
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| 11:38 | <roces4> hyperbyte
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| 11:39 | all client booting to ubuntu serwer :(
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| 11:39 | they don;t see file lts.conf
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| 11:40 | chroot ?
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| 11:41 | <roces4> what i do that the all clients booting to windows serwer terminal
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| 11:43 | i think that all clients haven't rdesktop aplication?
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| 11:47 | <roces4> hyper are you?
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| 11:51 | help me please
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| 12:02 | <Hyperbyte> Burned1, run apt-get update first
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| 12:02 | roces4, not sure. Wait for alkisg, he knows.
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| 12:02 | <Burned1> yup, done
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| 12:02 | i modded the source.list in the chroot
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| 12:02 | installed and works well
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| 12:03 | thanks for help :)
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| 12:05 | <roces4> all client login to screen ubuntu
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| 12:08 | not to serwer terminal windows but lts.conf have SCREEN _07 = rdesktop
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| 12:08 | why
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| 12:14 | <roces4> when alskig be here
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| 12:29 | <roces4> call2$%like7
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| 12:59 | <gbit> Hello, I'm using Gnome 3.4.2 on Debian Wheezy to LTSP users. I want to upgrade Gnome by Wheezy Backports, this will work with ltsp?
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| 13:06 | <highvoltage> gbit: are you using fat clients?
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| 13:06 | <gbit> highvoltage: I use nfs
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| 13:07 | <highvoltage> gbit: and the ltsp machines, do they run the Gnome session locally or from the server?
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| 13:07 | <gbit> highvoltage: I guess is from the server
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| 13:07 | pretty sure
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| 13:07 | <highvoltage> (I'm just a bit surprised because last when I tried it Gnome 3.4 didn't work on ltsp thin clients)
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| 13:08 | <gbit> highvoltage: So is too risky to update?
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| 13:12 | <highvoltage> might be a good idea to try it in a VM first
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| 13:12 | gbit: I'm kind of curious to try it myself again as well
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| 13:12 | gbit: how is performance? did it run ok?
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| 13:12 | <gbit> yeah is super fast on a quad core 8GB ram
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| 13:13 | I will try on a VM first
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| 13:18 | <FrozenZia> Ok, this has got to be a stupid question, hopefully you'll forgive - is ltsp-pnp's default that clients are FAT or thin?
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| 13:53 | <Hyperbyte> FrozenZia, by default ltsp-pnp switches between fat and thin I believe.
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| 13:53 | If clients have 512MB ram or more they're fat, if they have less than that amount, they're thin.
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| 13:57 | <FrozenZia> Hyperbyte: tx, and I presume there is an lts.conf setting that I can use to "force" thin or fat?
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| 14:01 | <roces4> hey
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| 14:02 | can you help me?
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| 14:04 | i had problem in ltsp server , all client boot to ubuntu server not to windows server terminal
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| 14:04 | lts.conf is configured
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| 14:05 | <Hyperbyte> FrozenZia, sure.
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| 14:05 | <roces4> hyper help me?
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| 14:07 | <Hyperbyte> roces4, I'm quite busy. Stick around.
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| 14:07 | <roces4> understand
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| 14:07 | <elias_a> roces4: It is easier to notice your messages if you highlight properly.
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| 14:07 | <roces4> i have to run this client
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| 14:08 | elias
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| 14:08 | could you help me
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| 14:08 | ?
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| 15:00 | <other_other_joe> roces4, pastebin your lts.conf and I'll take a look
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| 15:31 | <gbit> Does anyone runs Gnome 3.10 on ltsp?
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| 15:35 | <bennabiy> What is the proper environment variable to set to change from Ubuntu to Debian for example
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| 15:35 | VENDOR=?
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| 16:47 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: did the tests work out ok?
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| 16:48 | <bennabiy> TFTP would not work for me
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| 16:48 | PXE-11E error
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| 16:49 | <vagrantc> i don't see how that code would break tftp...
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| 16:49 | <bennabiy> I am going to reinstall OS to get a clean slate, and then test, unless you know quick fix
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| 16:49 | remember I tried to do two builds at same time
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| 16:50 | <vagrantc> check the permissions on the files in your tftp dir, make sure the're world-readable
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| 16:50 | <bennabiy> Good call!
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| 16:50 | thank you, I seem to remember that being an issue
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| 16:50 | rebooting now
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| 16:51 | <vagrantc> although ltsp-update-kernels should fix the permissions
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| 16:51 | <bennabiy> that did not fix the problem
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| 16:51 | <vagrantc> another thing is if it's trying to download from a router rather than the ltsp server
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| 16:52 | if you don't have your dhcp configration set up correctly
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| 16:52 | <bennabiy> as in the next-server not getting passed?
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| 16:52 | <vagrantc> yeah
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| 16:52 | <bennabiy> now, in default/tftpd-hpa should the bind address be 0.0.0.0:69?
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| 16:53 | <vagrantc> haven't used tftpd-hpa i ages...
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| 16:53 | but i can't imagine the defaults would be wrong
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| 16:54 | it also may be using /srv/tftp rather than /var/lib/tftpboot
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| 16:54 | so make sure the permisions are correct in all places
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| 16:55 | <bennabiy> seems a reboot fixed it
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| 16:56 | * vagrantc is perplexed | |
| 16:56 | <bennabiy> looks like my test using none produced ubuntu
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| 16:56 | let me try a mint
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| 16:56 | <vagrantc> that was the goal, yes?
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| 16:56 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 16:57 | <vagrantc> you tested ubuntu instead of mint?
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| 16:58 | <bennabiy> testing mint now ( I tested the --mint-dist none )
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| 16:59 | I thought I had tested mint, and build went fine, just never got a chance to boot it
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| 16:59 | now building mint again, and will test booting it
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| 16:59 | The only issue is if I want to do debian, then I would need to issue VENDOR=Debian (right?
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| 16:59 | )
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| 17:00 | <vagrantc> yes, but that would be straight debian, and you'd have to specify the dist
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| 17:00 | <bennabiy> yes.
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| 17:01 | what is the current? Jesse?
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| 17:01 | <vagrantc> jessie is in developent, wheezy is stable
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| 17:01 | <bennabiy> ok
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| 17:01 | <vagrantc> sid is always unstable
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| 17:01 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 17:01 | I remember that much
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| 17:01 | I used debian a lot more back in squeeze
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| 17:02 | <vagrantc> and you had said lmde was actually pre-wheezy release, i think
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| 17:03 | but basically doing the same thing with Debian... adding the mint specific mirrors and all that
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| 17:03 | and a few mint packages... should work, theory
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| 17:04 | <bennabiy> Then I will do a branch for LMDE support
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| 17:04 | unless _you_ want to do it...
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| 17:04 | ;)
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| 17:05 | <vagrantc> although LMDE's codename is debian? that'll be fun.
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| 17:06 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 17:06 | <vagrantc> oh, it has it's own repository?
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| 17:06 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 17:06 | so no file swapping like ubuntu
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| 17:06 | should be straightforward
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| 17:06 | <vagrantc> so it doesn't actually pull from debian repos at all? that'll be even easier
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| 17:06 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 17:06 | and uses the same linuxmint-keyring
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| 17:07 | * vagrantc wonders if it will sync up with wheezy at least | |
| 17:07 | <bennabiy> they are about to issue a new release... should sync with something
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| 17:07 | <vagrantc> presumably jessie or sid
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| 17:08 | better get the newer ltsp uploaded to debian soon, then :)
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| 17:08 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 17:09 | <vagrantc> was hoping to get it done this past weekend, hopeflly by this coming week
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| 17:09 | got plenty of room for virtual machines, so maybe i'll give it a whirl
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| 17:13 | <bennabiy> seems LMDE follows testing, but then stales out until next release
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| 17:13 | <vagrantc> weird
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| 17:14 | <bennabiy> I do not claim to understand it...
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| 17:15 | like I said in the past, if I want debian, I will use debian :)
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| 17:16 | booting mint chroot
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| 17:17 | <vagrantc> if i work on lmde a all, i'll wait till after i get the next debian uload in.
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| 17:18 | as that has at least one patchfor libpam-sshauth support i want
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| 17:56 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: problem!
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| 17:58 | while our patch allows for the building, it does not pull a mint chroot
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| 18:01 | Hopefully he will read the logs.
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| 18:01 | Somehow late packages are not being pulled.
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| 18:26 | <cliebow> bennabiy, he comes and goes..he ll be back
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| 18:26 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 18:26 | He is flying today
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| 18:27 | <cliebow> ohh..back to Portland then
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| 18:27 | <bennabiy> yep
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| 18:27 | not sure how long his flight will be
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| 18:27 | <cliebow> he was with us over the weekend
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| 18:27 | <bennabiy> are you native to the area?
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| 18:27 | <cliebow> yeah Maine
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| 18:27 | <bennabiy> Maine is beautiful
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| 18:27 | <cliebow> you bet 8~)
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| 18:28 | i look out over acadia from my porch
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| 18:29 | <bennabiy> that is beautiful
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| 18:29 | <elias_a> It is very good to hear that there are beautiful things in US of A.
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| 18:29 | <bennabiy> elias_a welcome back
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| 18:29 | <elias_a> Lately I have only read ugly things about US.
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| 18:30 | bennabiy: How come "back"?
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| 18:30 | <bennabiy> I had not seen you around in a while
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| 18:31 | elias_a: USA is very beautiful
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| 18:32 | <elias_a> bennabiy: Oh - I have just been silent.
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| 18:32 | <bennabiy> ah
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| 18:32 | <elias_a> bennabiy: Been idling all the time
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| 18:32 | Busy bee :)
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| 18:33 | bennabiy: What I was about to say you guys really ought to do something about the political climate there..
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| 18:33 | * bennabiy puzzles... | |
| 18:34 | <elias_a> The stuff NSA has been doing has made people really angry in EU.
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| 18:34 | Not to mention that it is a really big problem for US companies.
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| 18:35 | <bennabiy> elias_a: Please do not get offended at this, but it does not take much to make anyone really angry... It is all propaganda
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| 18:35 | EVERYONE has an agenda, good or bad
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| 18:35 | <elias_a> I know this is OT - just wanted to make sure that we are really angry.
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| 18:36 | <bennabiy> the governments of this world blush like they would NEVER do such a thing, but it is nothing new under the sun
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| 18:36 | <elias_a> bennabiy: Well - to put it short: we're not going to buy the US agenda anymore.
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| 18:36 | bennabiy: Are you familiar with the US-EU Safe Harbour agreement?
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| 18:37 | <bennabiy> I am non political
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| 18:37 | <elias_a> Well, that's not politics. It is trade.
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| 18:38 | But never mind.
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| 18:39 | Let's forget about this as it truly is OT.
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| 18:39 | <bennabiy> elias_a: Finally, you say something I can agree with :)
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| 18:39 | <elias_a> bennabiy: How's life in general?
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| 18:39 | :)
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| 18:40 | <bennabiy> Well, overall.
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| 18:40 | Yourself?
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| 18:41 | Can I link you something to read?
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| 18:41 | <elias_a> Oh - it is wet and dark autumn and days are getting short. Work as usual until the end of year and then some time between jobs.
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| 18:42 | <bennabiy> http://twelvetribes.org/articles/cultural-spillover
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| 18:42 | Please let me know what you think
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| 18:42 | <elias_a> Looking forward to revive an old hobby during the winter: hiking on the ice of the baltic sea.
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| 18:43 | <bennabiy> I bet that is nice
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| 18:45 | <elias_a> Challenging but nice.
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| 18:46 | I'm looking forward to do a trip that was done during the Finnish civil war in 1918.
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| 18:46 | bennabiy: Do you know the writer?
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| 18:46 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 18:47 | <jammcq> oh, that sounds so cold
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| 18:48 | <elias_a> You could tell him/her the following: nobody in Sweden or in any of the Nordic countries would even dream of motivating the spanking ban with the societal outcome.
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| 18:48 | The essential thing is that spanking is bad per se.
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| 18:49 | And comparison of Sweden and US is a bit problematic as the violence is concentrating into some areas where the immigrants live.
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| 18:50 | It would be interesting to look at the statistics of Finland side by side.
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| 18:51 | <bennabiy> did you actually read the whole thing?
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| 18:51 | <elias_a> Yes, sort of.
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| 18:51 | <bennabiy> sort of is a no :)
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| 18:51 | <elias_a> Did I miss something?
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| 18:54 | <bennabiy> elias_a: I think a lot of people "miss something" but it is ok. You shall know a tree by its fruit
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| 18:56 | I could probably offend at least half the people in the room by one or two statements, but that is not why I am here :)
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| 18:56 | <elias_a> bennabiy: Well, I certainly know that the state of swedish society has more to do with the demographic and economical change than the spanking of children.
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| 18:57 | * bennabiy grins. | |
| 18:58 | <bennabiy> elias_a: Somehow I think you and I are bound to be like fire and ice...
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| 18:59 | <elias_a> The problem with social sciences is always that correlation and causality are difficult to differentiate.
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| 18:59 | bennabiy: Could be but that article is really jumping to conclusions.
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| 19:00 | bennabiy: Test it by sending it to a peer reviewed scientific journal. You will see.
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| 19:00 | <bennabiy> well, it actually is sourced from peer reviewed journals an a very thick study
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| 19:01 | It just states the facts gathered in those studies
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| 19:01 | look at the inline references
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| 19:01 | a lot of the statistics are from the BRA's released numbers
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| 19:02 | <elias_a> bennabiy: Has the whole text been in a peer reviewed journal? Or only the parts that are cited?
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| 19:03 | <bennabiy> alkisg: how can I make a default LDM theme stick for mint chroot?
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| 19:03 | * alkisg waves | |
| 19:03 | <bennabiy> I put my custom theme in and it seems that it gets lost in packaging
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| 19:04 | when I actually build the client, it is not there
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| 19:04 | <alkisg> You'd probably need to include it to debian/*.install...
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| 19:04 | You mean that you put it in the package, right?
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| 19:04 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 19:05 | and where do I set the default theme to link to when building a chroot?
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| 19:05 | <alkisg> Check the contents of the .deb to see if the files are there
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| 19:05 | <elias_a> | |
| 19:05 | <alkisg> If not, they're missing in debian/install
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| 19:05 | καλησπέρα elias_a! :)
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| 19:06 | * alkisg hasn't read the ldm themes code... | |
| 19:06 | <elias_a> alkisg: Sorry - I seem to have a problem with some UTF-8 chars ;-)
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| 19:06 | <alkisg> So I'm not sure about the details
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| 19:06 | <bennabiy> How do I tell ltsp-build-client which theme I want to set as the default?
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| 19:06 | <elias_a> bennabiy: Do you still speak swedish?
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| 19:07 | <bennabiy> still?
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| 19:07 | My friend is swedish
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| 19:08 | <elias_a> bennabiy: Sorry - I thought it was your text :)
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| 19:08 | <bennabiy> My friend wrote it
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| 19:08 | <elias_a> I forgot this has been discussed before ;-)
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| 19:09 | <bennabiy> alkisg: which package ultimately does the theme need to be in?
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| 19:10 | <alkisg> bennabiy: really, no idea... I haven't read the themes code at all
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| 19:10 | Nor the packaging
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| 19:19 | <bennabiy> hmm. I am trying to find where ubuntu takes over
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| 19:22 | alkisg: is there a way to pull from a PPA or local package cache when building chroot?
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| 19:23 | <alkisg> --copy-sources-list should allow you to use the ppa...
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| 19:23 | But I haven't used ltsp-build-client since 2 years now, so I'm not sure about the details
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| 19:26 | <bennabiy> trying that
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| 19:31 | Could I have one user have KDE as his environment, and another gnome, another mate ?
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| 19:31 | if they are thin or thick
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| 19:33 | <alkisg> Sure
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| 19:34 | <bennabiy> either way?
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| 19:34 | how much extra load would that put on the server?
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| 19:35 | Some of our users are KDE, most are Mate
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| 19:35 | right now I have all thin clients, but I am going to do some experimenting with fat client support
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| 19:55 | seems like it times out trying to reach my ppa
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| 20:02 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: can you give me some insight on how to get a mint LDM theme in place upon install?
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| 20:02 | how was your flight btw?
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| 20:05 | <vagrantc> hasn't startd yet
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| 20:05 | bennabiy: look at /usr/share/ldm/themes
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| 20:05 | <bennabiy> i thought it was failing at building a mint chroot, but then I realized that it was not grabbing my ppa packages when building the chroot, even when I set --copy-sourceslist
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| 20:05 | <vagrantc> at install, you'd have to get mint to include a themes package in their archie
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| 20:06 | <bennabiy> yes, but how do I package it?
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| 20:06 | and where in the script does it call those files?
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| 20:07 | couldn't I just copy your debian packaging, and update it for the mint theme name?
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| 20:07 | <vagrantc> the ldm greeter binary reads them
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| 20:07 | sure
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| 20:07 | it's in the ldm-themes package in debian
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| 20:07 | <bennabiy> I pulled a branch of ~vagrantc/ltsp/ldm-debian-packaging
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| 20:07 | is that the current?
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| 20:08 | I have my recipe pulling from that one
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| 20:08 | <vagrantc> that only includes the default ltsp theme, not the debian one
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| 20:09 | there are also various ldm theme packages in ubuntu
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| 20:09 | <other_other_joe> You can pass around whatever environments and/or variables you'd like
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| 20:09 | in your lts.conf file
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| 20:09 | make a [KDE] entry, for instance, and add all the MAC's for your KDE users with a [LIKE] entry
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| 20:09 | or, they can always select the environment they'd like manually when they log into LDM
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| 20:09 | for fat clients that is
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| 20:09 | I'm not running any thin's but I believe the process is possible/similar
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| 20:09 | <bennabiy> yes, I just noticed that the ldm package pulled down with my chroot pulls the ubuntu theme by default, but I do not know which script is doing that
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| 20:10 | <vagrantc> probably just package dependencies/recommend
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| 20:11 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: do you know why my ppa times out when I try to use it in chroot building?
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| 20:11 | <vagrantc> nope
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| 20:11 | <bennabiy> Is it possibly the apt-key?
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| 20:13 | vagrantc: which is the packaging which will give me the best options for branching my own from?
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| 20:13 | which I can set a default in of the mint theme?
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| 20:15 | <vagrantc> search for branches named ldm-*theme on launchpad...
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| 20:16 | or the source package from debian
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| 20:16 | do' remember these urls off the top of my head
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| 20:18 | <vagrantc> not even sure there is a branch for ldm-themes on debian... it's a really simple package
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| 20:20 | <bennabiy> how would I go about getting it, and being able to make my own .deb ultimately
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| 20:20 | <vagrantc> look for debian packaging tutorials
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| 20:20 | <bennabiy> does ldm-debian-packaging apply to ldm-themes or ldm-server or both?
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| 20:21 | <vagrantc> neither
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| 20:21 | er
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| 20:21 | it's ldm-server and ldm, not the themes
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| 20:23 | the themes are their own source packages
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| 20:23 | you don't need a custom build of ldm
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| 20:23 | <bennabiy> good. I can remove that :)
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| 20:24 | Can you link me to a source file which I can modify?
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| 20:24 | <vagrantc> apt-get source ldm-themes
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| 20:24 | <bennabiy> where is the debian ldm-theme?
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| 20:24 | ahh
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| 20:24 | thank you
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| 20:26 | <vagrantc> apt-cache show FOO will show the source package in 'Source: BAR' (unless it's the exact same name as the package itself)
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| 20:26 | i.e. Package: FOO will only list a source entry if it's built from BAR source package
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| 20:27 | if the source package is FOO 'Source: FOO' is implied
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| 20:27 | <vagrantc> also, apt-get source FOO will download source package BAR if that's where it's built
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| 20:28 | but you need deb-src entries in your sources.list* entries
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| 20:29 | * vagrantc wanders off | |
| 20:29 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: so, if there's an ldm theme package you want to check the sources for, apt-get source will download the sources for you
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| 20:31 | <alkisg> sbalneav, vagrantc, stgraber: any comments on replacing xatomwait with xprop? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/1248438
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| 20:31 | <bennabiy> thank you vagrantc:
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| 20:32 | <alkisg> It would require some packaging changes too...
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| 20:32 | <bennabiy> where does it download the source to?
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| 20:48 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: problem solved, right?
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| 20:55 | <bennabiy> as far as being able to build a client?
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| 20:56 | I am going to need to change one file to include my mint ldm theme, but not sure what to do if they will not include it with their repo
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| 20:56 | <vagrantc> there's always debian :)
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| 20:56 | or you ppa
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| 20:57 | <bennabiy> the problem is that my ppa times out on the chroot
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| 20:57 | I think I need to include the gpg key for it
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| 20:57 | can I include more than one?
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| 20:58 | <vagrantc> i thnk apt-keys takes multile, yes
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| 21:06 | <bennabiy> so I can issue multiple APT_KEYS?
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| 21:10 | <alkisg> Part of one of my older ltsp-build-client.conf:
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| 21:10 | APT_KEYS="
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| 21:14 | <bennabiy> thank you
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| 21:14 | Do you know the process to get a package into debian?
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| 21:14 | It might be easier to get it into debian, and then let it drift down to ubuntu
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| 21:15 | <alkisg> What package? /me wasn't watching the conversation...
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| 21:18 | <bennabiy> ldm-mint-theme
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| 21:19 | so I do not need to look at that awful ubuntu splash by default on install
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| 21:19 | <alkisg> Is that the same for both debian and ubuntu? No difference between lmde and linuxmint?
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| 21:20 | <bennabiy> well, as of right now, debian uses the joy theme, so lmde would use joy
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| 21:21 | alkisg are you an uploader for packages in universe?
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| 21:21 | <alkisg> So ldm-lmde-theme should go to debian, and ldm-mint-theme to ubuntu?
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| 21:21 | No, I don't think so
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| 21:22 | <bennabiy> Is stgraber?
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| 21:22 | <alkisg> I guess so, but I don't know the process
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| 21:28 | <bennabiy> well, I guess this is a problem for another time...
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| 21:28 | time to go for a walk :)
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| 22:10 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, OMG... I'm so happy you're here!
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| 22:10 | <alkisg> Hehe, how so? :)
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| 22:10 | Had a hard time with the one asking in the morning?
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| 22:10 | <Hyperbyte> Because you're "you" :)
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| 22:10 | * alkisg hugs Hyperbyte :) | |
| 22:10 | <Hyperbyte> :-D
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| 22:11 | The guy asking this morning didn't give me such a hard time I think. :P
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| 22:11 | Was just really busy.
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| 22:12 | Oh hey, did I ever tell you I bought a house?
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| 22:13 | <alkisg> Yup, I think you even showed me some photos of it
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| 22:13 | <Hyperbyte> Cool
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| 22:13 | I made a video too
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| 22:13 | I bought the house quite cheap, because I knew there were some structural problems with it
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| 22:14 | Since I don't -have- to live there yet, and it's close by to my parents house, I figured 'what the heck, I'll buy it cheap and just fix all the stuff'
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| 22:14 | <alkisg> How much does a house costs there, say, per square meter?
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| 22:24 | <tfdl> Hello all, how can I ssh to thin client from server? thank you!
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| 22:28 | <other_other_joe> should be as easy as ssh $user@$thinclient
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| 22:30 | <tfdl> Thanks other_other_joe, i got this:
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| 22:30 | administrator@ltspserver1:~$ ssh $root@10.70.103.141 usage: ssh [-1246AaCfgKkMNnqsTtVvXxYy] [-b bind_address] [-c cipher_spec] [-D [bind_address:]port] [-e escape_char] [-F configfile] [-i identity_file] [-L [bind_address:]port:host:hostport] [-l login_name] [-m mac_spec] [-O ctl_cmd] [-o option] [-p port] [-R [bind_address:]port:host:hostport] [-S ctl_path] [-w local_tun[:remote_tun]
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| 22:31 | it shows me the usage: ssh
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| 22:31 | so i tried this:
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| 22:31 | administrator@ltspserver1:~$ ssh root@10.70.103.141 ssh: connect to host 10.70.103.141 port 22: Connection refused administrator@ltspserver1:~$
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| 22:32 | <alkisg> Did you install openssh-server in the chroot?
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| 22:32 | <tfdl> i am wondering that if i need to install ssh server/service in my image?
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| 22:32 | ok alkisg, i am off to doing it.
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| 22:33 | Thanks alkisg and other_other_joe as usual.
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| 22:53 | <tfdl> by installing openssh-server in chroot i am now able to connect to ltsp thin client via ssh.
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| 22:55 | can you please tell me why my client date is wrong on the thin client?
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| 22:55 | it currently shows root@ltsp1933:~# date Thu Feb 25 19:01:02 MST 2010 root@ltsp1933:~#
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| 22:56 | however the current date on the server is correct.
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| 23:10 | <tfdl> can you please tell me why my client date is wrong on the thin client?
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