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Channel log from 25 September 2013 (all times are UTC)
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| 04:38 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: I just resubmitted my merge request
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| 04:38 | night!
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| 04:40 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: great :)
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| 05:01 | <alkisg> Good morning
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| 06:07 | <jeje> I am still figuring out how I can boot HP t410 AiO thin client to Ubuntu LTSP server
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| 06:08 | anyone ever configured this before
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| 06:10 | <alkisg> ARM-based? You'd need an ARM chroot with a loader etc etc...
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| 06:10 | Maybe it'd be easier to install x2go on it as an alternative to the included rdp/ica...
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| 06:13 | <jeje> yes it is ARM BASED Built using a high performance Texas Instruments TMS320DM8148 ARM® Cortex processor with 1 GB DDR3 SDRAM and 2GB eMMC Flash memory capacity.
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| 06:15 | well not so sure about installing any additional agent on it I could check the x2go option
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| 06:15 | @alkisg kindly substantiate this
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| 06:17 | <vagrantc> those look like they'd make decent thin clients...
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| 06:18 | but booting LTSP on arm is an adventure
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| 06:21 | <alkisg> vagrantc: have you looked at bennabiy's merge request? does the Debian/ and Ubuntu/ approach seem acceptable to you, or would you prefer a dedicated LinuxMint/ folder? (it would need a few hacks to be implemented that way, but it's doable...)
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| 06:22 | The .diff was quite small with the Debian/ & Ubuntu/ approach...
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| 06:23 | <vagrantc> alkisg: haven't looked yet, but that seems clean enough
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| 06:28 | hm.
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| 06:28 | seems like detect_vendor needs to be mangled anyways... :(
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| 06:29 | <jeje> interesting
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| 06:30 | so essential in your opinion, I shouldnt be looking at LTSP then, probably look at Linux RDP??
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| 06:31 | <vagrantc> jeje: depends on how much work you want to do
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| 06:32 | jeje: in theory, they could work as genuine LTSP thin clients... but it's quite probably a lot of work
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| 06:33 | jeje: i did explore the HP t5325 as an LTSP thin client ... no idea how similar the hardware is.
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| 06:33 | jeje: http://cascadia.debian.net/trenza/Documentation/HP_t5325_Debian_Ltsp_Howto/
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| 06:46 | <jeje> ok
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| 06:46 | I would like to use them as thin clients but am flexible
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| 06:47 | there are about 120 terminals that we have to deploy in the students lab environment
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| 06:48 | vagrantc all I need at this point is to be able to use them with any open source system out there, its the reason I went for Ubuntu
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| 06:50 | <vagrantc> using their RDP client and xrdp on your ubuntu server is probably the easiest to at least get something working
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| 06:53 | <jeje> ok
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| 06:56 | have you got a guide on implementing the xrdp on the ubuntu server
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| 06:56 | <vagrantc> apt-get install xrdp
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| 06:57 | <jeje> alright
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| 06:57 | <vagrantc> then point your rdp client at the server ... don't recall needing to do much more than that
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| 06:58 | <jeje> ok
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| 06:58 | vagrantc I was looking at the previous documentation that you sent me
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| 06:59 | the t5325 are similar and I think that this should be able to work but I will look at both options
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| 06:59 | <vagrantc> it's a question of weather or not you can find a workable kernel
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| 06:59 | and how to actually load it
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| 07:08 | <jeje> alright
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| 07:20 | <jeje> ok cool I will try this out and get back to you
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| 12:40 | <bennabiy> alkisg and vagrantc: Hold off on the merge. The detect vendor hack is not working properly yet.
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| 12:43 | alkisg and vagrantc: It seems that the variable set in detect_vendor() is not getting it to the right folder. I wonder if perhaps having one folder for LinuxMint and then having the individual scripts that need special resources to do the checks for debian vs ubuntu
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| 13:20 | <bennabiy> If I want to see how the code is setting the variables, would the proper format be debug=ltsp-build-client ltsp-build-client ?
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| 13:25 | !bennabiy-todo
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| 13:25 | <ltsp`> bennabiy-todo: Get this working...
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| 13:58 | <Guest48926> alguien me puede ayudar con epoptes
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| 13:59 | <bennabiy> tu hablas ingles?
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| 14:04 | <Guest48926> no
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| 14:04 | solo español
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| 14:06 | <bennabiy> !learn LinuxMint as Now Available: https://launchpad.net/~bennabiy/+archive/ltsp-ppa Developmental Branch for Mint support (Does not support LMDE yet, sorry) We are currently working on getting changes made upstream, but as a temporary fix, this is available. The client build process might be a bit unstable, as I am actively making changes to it, but everything else is supported upstream.
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| 14:06 | <ltsp`> The operation succeeded.
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| 15:02 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: I am uploading my latest changes. I will resubmit for review based on current state
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| 15:02 | I fixed the vendor_detect() and a few other little bugs, but it seems to be building fine on my test machine through my ppa
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| 15:03 | Also, I made an entry for LinuxMint for any who need access to testing support
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| 15:03 | !LinuxMint
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| 15:03 | <ltsp`> LinuxMint: (#1) "Coming soon - to get something working right away, follow these steps before building your client. #1) sudo ln -s /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Ubuntu /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/LinuxMint #2) sudo ltsp-build-client --arch=i386 --dist=(UbuntuEquivDistribution), or (#2) "Coming soon - to get something working right away, follow these steps before building your client. #1) sudo ln (2 more messages)
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| 15:04 | <bennabiy> Hmm, it did not get my latest update
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| 15:05 | !unlearn LinuxMint
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| 15:05 | <ltsp`> Error: "unlearn" is not a valid command.
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| 15:08 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: it adds more, you need to tell it to forget the older entries
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| 15:08 | !vagrant-todo
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| 15:08 | <ltsp`> vagrant-todo: (#1) pxemenus, or (#2) tweak debian/rules to install appropriate update-kernels.conf, or (#3) update-kernels fix memtest support or drop it
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| 15:08 | <vagrantc> learn vagrant-todo as forget this one
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| 15:08 | <bennabiy> !forget LinuxMint
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| 15:08 | <ltsp`> Error: 3 factoids have that key. Please specify which one to remove, or use * to designate all of them.
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| 15:08 | <vagrantc> !learn vagrant-todo as forget this one
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| 15:08 | <ltsp`> The operation succeeded.
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| 15:09 | <vagrantc> !vagrant-todo
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| 15:09 | <ltsp`> vagrant-todo: (#1) pxemenus, or (#2) tweak debian/rules to install appropriate update-kernels.conf, or (#3) update-kernels fix memtest support or drop it, or (#4) forget this one
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| 15:09 | <vagrantc> ltsp`: forget vagrant-todo 4
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| 15:09 | <bennabiy> !forget LinuxMint 1 2
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| 15:09 | <ltsp`> Error: There is no such factoid.
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| 15:10 | <vagrantc> something like that
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| 15:10 | <bennabiy> !LinuxMint
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| 15:10 | <ltsp`> LinuxMint: (#1) "Coming soon - to get something working right away, follow these steps before building your client. #1) sudo ln -s /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Ubuntu /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/LinuxMint #2) sudo ltsp-build-client --arch=i386 --dist=(UbuntuEquivDistribution), or (#2) "Coming soon - to get something working right away, follow these steps before building your client. #1) sudo ln (2 more messages)
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| 15:10 | <bennabiy> !forget LinuxMint 1
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| 15:10 | <ltsp`> The operation succeeded.
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| 15:10 | <vagrantc> !forget vagrant-todo 4
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| 15:10 | <ltsp`> The operation succeeded.
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| 15:10 | <vagrantc> !vagrant-todo
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| 15:10 | <ltsp`> vagrant-todo: (#1) pxemenus, or (#2) tweak debian/rules to install appropriate update-kernels.conf, or (#3) update-kernels fix memtest support or drop it
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| 15:10 | <bennabiy> !forget LinuxMint 1
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| 15:10 | <ltsp`> The operation succeeded.
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| 15:11 | <bennabiy> !LinuxMint
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| 15:11 | <ltsp`> LinuxMint: Now Available: https://launchpad.net/~bennabiy/+archive/ltsp-ppa Developmental Branch for Mint support (Does not support LMDE yet, sorry) We are currently working on getting changes made upstream, but as a temporary fix, this is available. The client build process might be a bit unstable, as I am actively making changes to it, but everything else is supported upstream.
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| 15:12 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: one thing that's made your patches hard to review is whitespace inconsistancies
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| 15:13 | bennabiy: and it seems like some changes are whitespace-only...
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| 15:13 | <bennabiy> Look at revision I just pushed up
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| 15:13 | <vagrantc> ok
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| 15:15 | <bennabiy> The main files changed compared to upstream are:
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| 15:15 | Modified (5)
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| 15:15 |  common/ltsp-common-functions
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| 15:15 |  server/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Debian/000-basic-configuration
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| 15:15 |  server/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Ubuntu/000-basic-configuration
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| 15:15 |  server/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Ubuntu/010-updates-mirrors
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| 15:15 |  server/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Ubuntu/030-artwork
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| 15:15 | The debian side could have more done to it, but that should be enough to at least make a build suceed
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| 15:16 | !forget bennabiy-todo *
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| 15:16 | <ltsp`> The operation succeeded.
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| 15:18 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: and i would put your case statement inside of the if [ -e /etc/ltsp/sysconfig ...
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| 15:18 | in the else section
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| 15:20 | bennabiy: and then if CURVEND = LinuxMint ... echo Debian or Ubuntu, otherwise echo CURVEND
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| 15:21 | <bennabiy> That would work.
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| 15:22 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: similarly, in basic-configuration ... just use the existing DIST and check for linuxmint, and then change/add settings f linuxmint
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| 15:23 | bennabiy: then you don't need the else clause at all
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| 15:23 | and makes for a smaller diff
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| 15:23 | <bennabiy> The problem is mint needs both dists
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| 15:24 | <vagrantc> sure, and there's a basic-configuration for each
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| 15:24 | <bennabiy> It relies on both ubuntu dist, which is not obtained from lsb_release
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| 15:24 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: also, i wouldn't touch debian yet :p
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| 15:24 | bennabiy: just makes for a bigger diff... make one feature at a time
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| 15:25 | <bennabiy> The way alkisg was saying, made it sound like I had to have some support for both, or none at all
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| 15:25 | so I was doing at least the basics
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| 15:26 | <vagrantc> maybe alkisg and i are giving you conflicting advice
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| 15:27 | <bennabiy> He ultimately deferred to you about the choice
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| 15:27 | I am totally happy to not even touch the debian side of it, until I need to
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| 15:27 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: for the first review, i'd just do ubuntu
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| 15:27 | once we have a clear idea of what code is needed, then add debian
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| 15:27 | <bennabiy> ok
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| 15:28 | <vagrantc> still a lot of whitespace confusing bits...
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| 15:30 | bennabiy: so in basic config, i would leave DIST as is ... if [ lsb_release --id --short = linuxmint ]; then mintdist = dist ; dist = ...
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| 15:31 | bennabiy: do you really need mint-meta-mate in a thin client?
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| 15:31 | bennabiy: seems like that should only be added to fatclients
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| 15:32 | bennabiy: and what's mint-meta-core?
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| 15:33 | <bennabiy> mint-meta-core is the basics for making a mint chroot according to the devs
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| 15:34 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: with update-mirrors, only put the mint stuff in you if statement, no need for the else clause.
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| 15:34 | bennabiy: if mintdist ; the add_mirrors mintfoo ; fi
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| 15:34 | bennabiy: ad_mirrors regular mirrors
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| 15:36 | minimize code duplication that way
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| 15:36 | bennabiy: the atkwork setting seems a little overcomplicated...
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| 15:37 | bennabiy: you could probably just add mate-desktop to the ist of desktops to check for
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| 15:38 | someone might have mate-desktop installed without mint, for example
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| 15:38 | <bennabiy> Like I said, I do not use fat clients, nor have I ever, so it is a foreign concept to me
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| 15:40 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: could even leave t out for the first pass
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| 15:40 | <bennabiy> thank you!
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| 15:41 | If I get into fat clients, I might revisit it, but I am not going to set up a fat client to support it
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| 15:41 | <vagrantc> get the core functionality merged
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| 15:41 | <bennabiy> Any support is better than no support :)
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| 15:41 | yes
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| 15:42 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: with all that tidied up, should be good to go
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| 15:47 | although i ponder weather debian/ubuntu shouldn't just carry the detect_vendor in it's own vendor-functions...
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| 15:47 | as well as the sysdist stuff
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| 15:57 | <bennabiy> which dist uses sysdist?
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| 15:57 | RH?
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| 16:08 | ok, pushing most recent changes
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| 16:10 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: should be up now
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| 16:14 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: yeah, the fedora family, although i think the latest RH stuff doesn't
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| 16:16 | <bennabiy> ok, I tried making your change to 030-artwork, but I would never know if it breaks anything
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| 16:16 | It should be pushed now
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| 16:17 | 2494
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| 16:17 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: still a lot of needless whitespace changes, but coming along... :)
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| 16:18 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: I am not seeing what you are saying about whitespace changes. are you comparing to ltsp trunk, or my last files?
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| 16:19 | <vagrantc> https://code.launchpad.net/~bennabiy/ltsp/ltsp-LinuxMint/+merge/187442
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| 16:20 | bennabiy: in the debian basic-configuration ...
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| 16:20 | that highlights the problem, but it's all over the place
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| 16:20 | <bennabiy> how can I revert a file back to original ?
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| 16:21 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: are you using tabs instead of spaces?
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| 16:21 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 16:21 | <vagrantc> that might be you issue, then
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| 16:21 | <bennabiy> I noticed that some was tabbed, some was spaced, so I used tabs
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| 16:21 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: i wouldn't touch the artwork plugin
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| 16:21 | <bennabiy> ok
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| 16:22 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: use whatever keeps the diff minimal :)
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| 16:28 | bennabiy: thre's a stray fi;; in detect_vendor at the end... should just be ;;
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| 16:28 | * vagrantc also refers ;; on it's own line | |
| 16:28 | <vagrantc> prefers
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| 16:30 | might actually be simler to use a nested if staement rather than the case statement, too
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| 16:32 | bennabiy: later
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| 17:46 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: That should be it...
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| 18:03 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: one more whitespace in the updates-mirrors plugin
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| 18:03 | n
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| 18:04 | bennabiy: the indentation in basic-configuration looks off...
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| 18:05 | bennabiy: and what's mint-meta-core actually pull in?
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| 18:06 | bennabiy: mintsources.conf contains the ubuntu release it's based on?
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| 18:07 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 18:08 | I looked at the whitespace in the updates-mirrors, and cannot see a difference, it is spaced to where it shows on the diff
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| 18:08 | I took out all tabs
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| 18:09 | mint-meta-core pulls in the plymouth artwork as well as a few other basics, to de-ubuntu the client
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| 18:09 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: probably a tabs vs. saces issue
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| 18:10 | <bennabiy> That is what I was saying, there were some tabs used, and then some spaces, and then some tabs and spaces in the same line
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| 18:10 | <vagrantc> somehow it's different
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| 18:10 | <bennabiy> The ;; lines up.
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| 18:10 | It is all spaces now.
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| 18:10 | I tried to change it, and then it told me no changes to commit
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| 18:10 | <vagrantc> maybe the original had a tab
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| 18:11 | <bennabiy> I will check the upstream
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| 18:12 | It is exactly the same.
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| 18:13 | <vagrantc> there's something different
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| 18:14 | bennabiy: maybe trailing whitespace?
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| 18:15 | <bennabiy> I am pushing for 2500 :)
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| 18:15 | try now.
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| 18:15 | 2497
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| 18:17 | vagrantc: how do I get debian to be an option to build for in my ppa?
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| 18:19 | <bennabiy> alkisg: welcome!
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| 18:20 | <alkisg> Hi guys
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| 18:20 | <bennabiy> I just pushed a new update which I think should be good for a basic start
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| 18:21 | vagrantc hounded me until I got all my whitespaces right. ;)
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| 18:25 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: launchpad doesn't support debian builds
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| 18:25 | <bennabiy> I was afraid of that... I was hoping to use it as a testbed for lmde...
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| 18:26 | vagrantc: I appreciate you not wanting sloppy code. Please don't think I am having a hard time with you (I realize my comment could lend itself towards that)
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| 18:27 | I really appreciate the labors that go into making LTSP what it is
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| 18:29 | <vagrantc> glad you see it that way :)
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| 18:36 | <bennabiy> Does it pass
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| 18:37 | <pscheie> vagrantc, are you coming to BTS this year?
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| 18:37 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: How old are you, if you dont mind me asking?
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| 18:40 | <vagrantc> pscheie: i reall need to
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| 18:41 | bennabiy: i don't bother to keep track
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| 18:42 | <bennabiy> Somehow I thought that would be coming :)
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| 18:42 | <pscheie> vagrantc, well that sounds like a 'yes'!
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| 18:42 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: so, whitespace looks good, but i would indent the code in basic-config and update-mirror
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| 18:43 | bennabiy: just style changes at thiis point, though, but may as well get it
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| 18:44 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: That is encouraging
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| 18:45 | vagrantc: What do you think the indentation on basic-config should be?
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| 18:47 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: everything in your aded if block
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| 18:47 | added
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| 18:48 | <bennabiy> Is the if / else fine? And then indent the added blocks?
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| 18:49 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: yeah, all the variables should be one indent deeper than the if, and the if should be one indent past the case block
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| 18:49 | bennabiy: so indent it all one further
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| 18:50 | bennabiy: and the add_mirrors line should be indente one
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| 18:50 | sorry for my typing, on a small keyboard
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| 18:51 | <bennabiy> Just make me commit 2 more times :)
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| 18:51 | 2498
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| 18:51 | shoudl be up
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| 18:51 | should*
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| 18:53 | <vagrantc> ok, loks good :)
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| 18:53 | <bennabiy> !vagrantc-todo
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| 18:53 | <ltsp`> vagrantc-todo: Merge LinuxMint changes... (Subliminal)
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| 18:53 | <vagrantc> one last thing... :)
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| 18:54 | <bennabiy> can it be two things?
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| 18:54 | <vagrantc> will probably squash this all into one commit in the end :)
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| 18:56 | <bennabiy> Basically, this is just a starting point, to get basic support there. After that, I might experiment with the Debian side to get more support for it
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| 18:56 | <vagrantc> MINTCOMPONENTS="main upstream import" should use the FOO=${FOO:-"blah blah"} syntax
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| 18:56 | <bennabiy> why?
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| 18:57 | It does not have a commandline implimentation
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| 18:57 | <vagrantc> as well as all the other basic-config vars
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| 18:58 | configuration file
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| 18:58 | <bennabiy> Is that to support someone doing a MINTCOMPONENTS="FOO" ltsp-build-client ?
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| 18:58 | ahh
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| 18:58 | <vagrantc> or that
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| 18:58 | but yes
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| 18:58 | <bennabiy> ok
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| 18:59 | <vagrantc> might be good to add the commandline stuff at some point, too
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| 18:59 | and then we're golden
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| 18:59 | <bennabiy> I wondered if it would be good to have a generic variable setting option where you could do somethign like --var foo --var foo2 etc
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| 18:59 | <alkisg> Fedora: lsb_release ==> command not found
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| 18:59 | <bennabiy> as many as needed in the commandline
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| 19:00 | <alkisg> That's why the "if" was outside of the lsb_release call...
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| 19:00 | So basically ltsp-build-client would fail on fedora with the current detect_vendor
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| 19:00 | <vagrantc> alkisg: but they can add the dependency to pull in lsb release
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| 19:01 | <bennabiy> Ladies and gentlemen... in this corner..
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| 19:01 | <alkisg> vagrantc: sure, but I don't think there's anything to gain by rearranging the if that way
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| 19:01 | <vagrantc> although it's a larger package on fedora, it's not insanely largr
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| 19:01 | alkisg: simplicity?
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| 19:02 | whole oint of lsb is common standards across distros...
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| 19:05 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I think that if we wanted to simplify the fedora code, it should be a separate commit...
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| 19:06 | bennabiy: also, you call $(lsb_release --id --short | tr " " "_") twice, it'd be better to save its result to a variable
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| 19:06 | (btw don't think I'm strict I don't even use ltsp-build-client at all, if you don't like me proposing things just tell me to stop :))
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| 19:07 | <bennabiy> What do you mean call it twice?
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| 19:07 | <alkisg> I'm looking at https://code.launchpad.net/~bennabiy/ltsp/ltsp-LinuxMint/+merge/183364, at the bottom, the diff,
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| 19:07 | Check line 9 and line 22 there
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| 19:08 | <bennabiy> somehow your version is not up to date with the most recent post. It looks like there is regression
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| 19:09 | <alkisg> Ah let me check the latest version...
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| 19:10 | <bennabiy> wait a second. I am about to commit a few more error.. I means fixes
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| 19:10 | I do have it saved to a variable
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| 19:13 | <alkisg> But you don't reuse the variable later on, so the old call does the same thing again
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| 19:13 | Let me find a good launchpad link to show you what I'm saying...
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| 19:14 | <bennabiy> I just fixed one instance of that... in 000-basic-configuration
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| 19:15 | <alkisg> https://code.launchpad.net/~bennabiy/ltsp/ltsp-LinuxMint/+merge/187442 looks better :)
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| 19:16 | <bennabiy> if [ $CURVEND = "LinuxMint" ]; then
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| 19:16 | MINTDIST=${MINTDIST:-"$(lsb_release -s -c)"}
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| 19:16 | DIST=${DIST:-"$(grep base_codename /usr/share/mintsources/$MINTDIST/mintsources.conf | awk '{split($0,array,"=")} END{print array[2]}')"}
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| 19:17 | <alkisg> if [ -n $MINTDIST ]; then ==> should be "$MINTDIST" there, because if it's empty, then that's equivalent to [ -n ], which is a syntax error, not to [ -n "" ], which isn't a syntax error
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| 19:17 | <bennabiy> The only problem is if someone chooses to build for a different version of mint, it would break
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| 19:17 | <alkisg> In general, it's better to quote more than less
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| 19:17 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 19:18 | <alkisg> if [ $CURVEND = "LinuxMint" ]; then ==> same for "$CURVEND" there
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| 19:18 | About the mirrors and dist etc, would it be possible for someone to specify both MINTDIST and DIST?
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| 19:18 | Would that make sense?
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| 19:19 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 19:19 | If they are running mint
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| 19:19 | that is why I wondered if we should have a command line argument for adding whatever variable
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| 19:19 | <alkisg> Give me a specific example...
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| 19:19 | ..i.e. an example of what distro I have, and what chroot I want to build, that would need both variables
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| 19:20 | <vagrantc> alkisg: yes, the fedora change should happen after talking with the appropriate persons in it's own commit
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| 19:20 | <bennabiy> Mint requires two distributions, and two sets of mirrors,
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| 19:21 | <alkisg> Can I build an olivia chroot with an ubuntu 10.04 mirror?
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| 19:21 | I don't think so, there are specific pairs that can be made there, right?
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| 19:21 | <bennabiy> There are pairs
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| 19:21 | <alkisg> So why use 2 variables?
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| 19:21 | <vagrantc> i think the dist code only handles building the same
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| 19:22 | as the host
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| 19:22 | alkisg: you need both ubuntu and mint dists
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| 19:22 | <alkisg> The pairs are declared in the .conf files
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| 19:23 | <vagrantc> all of them? or only te current ist?
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| 19:23 | dist
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| 19:23 | <bennabiy> When mint first builds the client, it needs to have the ubuntu dist, but then to access the mint mirrors etc, it needs to have the mint dist
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| 19:23 | <alkisg> I think all of them
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| 19:23 | <bennabiy> alkisg: It would break if you wanted to make an older dist on a newer mint
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| 19:23 | <alkisg> Why? It does have the old .conf files
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| 19:23 | <bennabiy> like if I wanted to make a client for precise / maya
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| 19:23 | not on my server it doesnt
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| 19:23 | <vagrantc> could someone paste mintosurces.confto pastebin?
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| 19:23 | <alkisg> It should be enough to state DIST=maya
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| 19:24 | <bennabiy> nope
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| 19:24 | no such thing as maya for debootstrap
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| 19:24 | DIST feeds debootstrap
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| 19:25 | <alkisg> The linuxmint code should split dist into 2 variables
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| 19:25 | <bennabiy> been downthis road
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| 19:25 | <alkisg> But the user shouldn't have to bother with them
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| 19:25 | What if the user says, DIST=10.04 and MINTDIST=Olivia?
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| 19:25 | <vagrantc> ok, i see your point
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| 19:25 | <bennabiy> the user would only have to use both if wanting to do a different version that the server
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| 19:25 | <alkisg> What I'm trying to say is, that MINTDIST shouldn't be a public variable
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| 19:25 | Not exported to the user
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| 19:26 | It should be an internal variable decided by some mint .conf files
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| 19:26 | <vagrantc> they should be able to specify dist, and the mint code should set mintdist basd n that, and reset dist to the appropriate ubuntu value
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| 19:26 | <bennabiy> Where would I put that code?
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| 19:27 | <vagrantc> in basic-config
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| 19:27 | <bennabiy> It seems like I would need to hardcode all the combos using that mindset then
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| 19:27 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: mintsources.conf only contains the running dist?
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| 19:27 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 19:28 | I will pastebin it
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| 19:28 | <vagrantc> also, it should be possible to build mint from ubuntu srver
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| 19:28 | and ubuntu srver won't have mintsources.conf
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| 19:28 | <bennabiy> exactly
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| 19:29 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: so es, you might have to hard-code the pairings in basic-config
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| 19:29 | <bennabiy> in 000-basic-configuration or somewhere else?
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| 19:29 | That would eventually be a lot of pairings?
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| 19:29 | Can we source in a file which would be updated every 6 months?
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| 19:29 | <vagrantc> not if mint gets smarter... :)
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| 19:30 | <bennabiy> I do not see mint "getting smarter" ...
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| 19:30 | <vagrantc> i wouldn't try to future proof it too much
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| 19:30 | include all the pairings you can when you can
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| 19:31 | is the upcoming release usually known in advance?
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| 19:31 | <bennabiy> somewhat
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| 19:31 | <alkisg> bennabiy: /usr/share/mintsources/ has flurry, nadia, olivia etc, are there more?
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| 19:33 | <bennabiy> those are all that are in my folder
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| 19:33 | <komunista> hi all
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| 19:33 | <alkisg> Hello
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| 19:33 | bennabiy: I think that folder contains all supported releases, as mentioned in http://www.linuxmint.com/oldreleases.php
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| 19:34 | So it wouldn't be possible to build obsolete releases, ok, but I don't think their repositories would be available either
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| 19:34 | <bennabiy> It doesn't have maya in mine, which is the lts
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| 19:35 | <alkisg> True... I think that's a mistake, but anyway we can't rely on that folder :-/
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| 19:36 | <bennabiy> there is a new release coming out soon as well
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| 19:36 | <alkisg> So yeah either relying on the user providing the "pair", or on hardcoded values
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| 19:36 | ...so, on second thought, I agree with your approach of DIST/MINTDIST
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| 19:37 | <bennabiy> Yes
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| 19:37 | Can you consider the idea of this...
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| 19:37 | <alkisg> Another topic... variables in CAPS are supposed to be "global", needed by other ltsp scripts, but e.g. CURVEND isn't used anywhere else...
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| 19:38 | <bennabiy> ltsp-build-client --arch=i386 --dist=raring --var MINTDIST=olivia --var ...
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| 19:38 | <komunista> after upgared my Debian's LTSP environment to wheezy, I found freenx not working (to connect from teacher's Windows machine), then was success with the X2Go solution
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| 19:38 | <bennabiy> actually it is used in 000-basic-configuration
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| 19:39 | <komunista> please ,is anybody using X2Go on the thinc clients?
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| 19:39 | <bennabiy> I just need to commit the change
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| 19:39 | :)
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| 19:39 | alkisg: I need to pick your brain about epoptes as well :)
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| 19:39 | <komunista> It is possible or documented somewhere?
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| 19:39 | <alkisg> bennabiy: am I looking at the correct diff? https://code.launchpad.net/~bennabiy/ltsp/ltsp-LinuxMint/+merge/187442
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| 19:39 | Ah sorry
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| 19:39 | I just read your previous line ^ :)
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| 19:40 | komunista: using x2go to control a thin client?
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| 19:40 | Or _from_ a thin client to connect to another server?
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| 19:40 | <komunista> to login from thin clients
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| 19:40 | <alkisg> To use x2go instead of LDM?
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| 19:40 | <komunista> alkisg: yes
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| 19:41 | <alkisg> And you need ltsp for netbooting the clients? Or you don't need ltsp at all
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| 19:41 | ?
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| 19:41 | <bennabiy> alkisg: revision 2499
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| 19:41 | <komunista> Yes, I need netboot, because clients has no HDD
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| 19:42 | I tried the NX solution some years ago, it was working but without the guest login, then I abadon this
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| 19:44 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: I made your indents and updated for alkisg's suggestions
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| 19:44 | <alkisg> komunista: x2go has a thin client component, and a login manager component, but I think the best way to do it would be to implement an x2go ltsp screen.d script
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| 19:46 | <bennabiy> alkisg: Is it posisble to use epoptes to control the server and clients from a remote machine?
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| 19:46 | <komunista> alkisg: yes, this was what I think about
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| 19:46 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 19:47 | <komunista> then basicaly it must to work, right?
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| 19:47 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 19:48 | <komunista> OK, thanks I will play with it :-)
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| 19:48 | <alkisg> bennabiy: sed -n 's/base_codename=//p' mintsources.conf
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| 19:50 | Why the _ in MINT_MIRROR? The others, MINTDIST etc don't have one...
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| 19:50 | (maybe it would be better to put one in all of them)
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| 19:50 | <bennabiy> to match EARLY_MIRROR etc
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| 19:51 | I am fine with changing them all to _spacing
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| 19:51 | It would make for commit 2500!
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| 19:51 | Just as long as vagrantc doesn't tell me to change it back :)
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| 19:52 | <alkisg> Hehe :)
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| 19:52 | If you're going to do it, do the same for CUR_VEND
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| 19:52 | <vagrantc> yeah, more _ is good
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| 19:52 | <alkisg> (or CUR_VENDOR)
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| 19:52 | And put more quotes
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| 19:52 | * vagrantc prefers cur_vendor | |
| 19:52 | <alkisg> case $CURVEND in ==> case "$CURVEND" in etc etc
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| 19:53 | <bennabiy> yes, I still need to fix that one.
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| 19:53 | <alkisg> if [ $(lsb_release -s -c) = "debian" ]; then ==> if [ "$(lsb_release -s -c)" = "debian" ]; then
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| 19:53 | <bennabiy> It is uppercase because I use it later
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| 19:53 | <alkisg> echo $CURVEND ==> echo "$CURVEND"
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| 19:53 | <vagrantc> is CURVEND available in basic-configuration?
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| 19:54 | <alkisg> bennabiy: see an example: CURVEND="*"; cd /; echo $CURVEND ==> bin boot cdrom dev etc home initrd.img lib lost+found ...
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| 19:54 | <vagrantc> or maybe LSB_VENDOR?
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| 19:54 | <bennabiy> alkisg: sed -n 's/base_codename=//p' mintsources.conf brings out raring, when in the directory
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| 19:54 | <vagrantc> since that's what it is?
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| 19:55 | <bennabiy> Ok
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| 19:55 | <alkisg> bennabiy: isn't that what you wanted to print with the awk stuff? I didn't run it...
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| 19:56 | <bennabiy> which is more efficient, sed or awk ?
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| 19:57 | <alkisg> One sed call is more efficient than a grep and an awk calls, but it's more readable too, which is more significant in ltsp-build-client, where speed doesn't matter much
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| 19:58 | (the sed replaces the grep call too)
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| 19:58 | <bennabiy> so do: sed -n 's/base_codename=//p' /usr/share/mintsources/$MINTDIST/mintsources.conf
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| 19:58 | <alkisg> Right, with quotes in the path though :)
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| 19:59 | <bennabiy> err. $MINT_DIST
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| 19:59 | <alkisg> sed -n 's/base_codename=//p' "/usr/share/mintsources/$MINT_DIST/mintsources.conf"
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| 20:00 | It might be worth it to do an if [ -f .../mintsources ] there as well, in case the server doesn't run mint, but you can postpone that part for later :)
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| 20:00 | <bennabiy> would I need to escape the quotes around /usr/shar...
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| 20:00 | since the whole thing is doublequoted
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| 20:01 | <alkisg> No, when you start a $(), inside that it's a different quoting ...universe :)
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| 20:02 | <vagrantc> just when i thought we were don for the moment...
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| 20:02 | <alkisg> Btw if you prefer awk instead of sed (again without grep): awk -F= '/base_codename/{print $2} < mintsourcs.conf
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| 20:02 | <bennabiy> I am fine with sed
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| 20:03 | <vagrantc> and '
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| 20:03 | <alkisg> ...and without < as well :-/
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| 20:04 | <bennabiy> so CURVEND is becoming LSB_VENDOR
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| 20:04 | The rest are just getting spaced _
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| 20:04 | sound right?
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| 20:04 | DIST=${DIST:-"$(sed -n 's/base_codename=//p' "/usr/share/mintsources/$MINT_DIST/mintsources.conf")"}
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| 20:06 | <vagrantc> could use ${MINT_DIST} instead of the extra "
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| 20:06 | <alkisg> vagrantc: no, ${} don't replace quotes
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| 20:06 | They're just eye candy in this case
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| 20:07 | <vagrantc> oh, it works for test -n ${FOO}
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| 20:07 | <alkisg> I think the outside quotes can be safely removed though
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| 20:07 | DIST=${DIST:-$(sed -n 's/base_codename=//p' "/usr/share/mintsources/$MINT_DIST/mintsources.conf")}
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| 20:08 | <bennabiy> Which should I do?
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| 20:08 | * vagrantc agrees | |
| 20:09 | <alkisg> And a final one from me, case $CURVEND in ==> why not make that a simple if?
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| 20:09 | * bennabiy jaw drops... alkisg and vagrantc agree! | |
| 20:09 | <alkisg> Haha, we _usually_ agree!!! :)
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| 20:09 | <vagrantc> indeed
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| 20:09 | <bennabiy> I am just a troublemaker
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| 20:10 | <komunista> good night :-)
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| 20:10 | <vagrantc> alkisg: yeah, i proposed to make that an iftoo
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| 20:10 | <alkisg> Sorry, didn't see that... cool, let's go for the final merge proposal...!
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| 20:11 | <bennabiy> hmm... so would you do an if , elif to catch all three cases?
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| 20:11 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i gave up asking for it, but since we're here
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| 20:11 | <alkisg> bennabiy: which 3 cases? /me only sees two...
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| 20:12 | <bennabiy> 2 for linuxmint and 1 for others
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| 20:12 | <vagrantc> sysconfig, linuxmint, *
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| 20:12 | <bennabiy> that is why the case
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| 20:12 | <alkisg> bennabiy: no, keep the inside if as it is
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| 20:12 | So, an if inside another if
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| 20:13 | vagrantc +1
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| 20:13 | I just opened ltsp-common-functions and saw the whole picture, I (again) agree with vagrantc
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| 20:14 | * bennabiy is puzzled | |
| 20:14 | <alkisg> Meh no, it won't work as it is now...
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| 20:14 | Let me pastebin it
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| 20:14 | <bennabiy> let me pastebin what I have, and then I will pastebin what I think you mean
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| 20:17 | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3147252 As it stands right now
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| 20:17 | <alkisg> http://paste.debian.net/46162/
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| 20:18 | ...with a bit better spacing :)
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| 20:18 | <bennabiy> I am fine with that
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| 20:19 | <vagrantc> yeah, that's what i was thinking... change CUR_VENDOR to LSB_VENDOR though?
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| 20:19 | <bennabiy> What would you recommend the spacing be
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| 20:19 | yes
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| 20:20 | LSB_VENDOR
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| 20:20 | <alkisg> LSB_VENDOR, yup
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| 20:20 | <vagrantc> spacing looks fine to me
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| 20:20 | <alkisg> I meant the identation, a couple of lines are off
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| 20:20 | (of my paste)
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| 20:21 | <vagrantc> 5 spaces instead of 4?
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| 20:22 | <alkisg> lines 8 and 13 in my paste, I think
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| 20:22 | <bennabiy> I will check it
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| 20:23 | <vagrantc> bennabiy is getting good practice at checking for whitespace issues :)
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| 20:23 | <bennabiy> heh
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| 20:23 | whatspace?
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| 20:23 | <alkisg> Erm it seems like a problem in paste.debian.net highlighter
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| 20:23 | <bennabiy> It looks fine on my end,
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| 20:23 | <alkisg> When I look at it at my gedit it's fine, and when I look at it as raw in debian.net it's also fine, but when highlighted, it's off
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| 20:24 | <bennabiy> That was happening to me earlier
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| 20:25 | <alkisg> mozilla highlighter seems better... http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3147309
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| 20:26 | <vagrantc> me apparently didn't see any highlighting
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| 20:26 | <alkisg> It's probably javascript-based
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| 20:27 | ...which we well know you have disabled :D
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| 20:27 | * vagrantc acts surprised | |
| 20:29 | <bennabiy> heh
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| 20:30 | ok. So I updated the variables to have proper quoting around them, changed to alkisg's code for detect_vendor() made spacing_ changes
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| 20:30 | was there anything else?
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| 20:30 | <alkisg> ...world peace?
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| 20:30 | <bennabiy> I am going for commit 2500!
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| 20:30 | I like that number :)
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| 20:33 | ok pushing changes
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| 20:35 | <vagrantc> looks good.
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| 20:35 | * bennabiy rejoices! | |
| 20:35 | <vagrantc> now i'd like to figre out how to squash it into a single commit
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| 20:35 | <bennabiy> !vagrantc-todo
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| 20:35 | <ltsp`> vagrantc-todo: Merge LinuxMint changes... (Subliminal)
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| 20:37 | <vagrantc> i wonder if i can approve the merge without actually merging it.
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| 20:38 | <vagrantc> haven't used launchpad's merge review at all before
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| 20:38 | also don't have my launchpad login on this machine
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| 20:38 | <alkisg> bennabiy: + if [ "$LSB_VENDOR" = "LinuxMint" ]; then
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| 20:38 | ...do we want to check the "server" there, or the chroot?
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| 20:39 | <bennabiy> in 000-basic-configuration?
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| 20:39 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 20:40 | Suppose I have a mint server and I'm building a plain ubuntu chroot
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| 20:40 | dist=raring or whatever
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| 20:40 | Won't that part of the code set MINT_DIST in that case?
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| 20:40 | <bennabiy> Hmm
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| 20:43 | How would you distinguish between the two?
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| 20:43 | <vagrantc> ouch
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| 20:43 | * alkisg goes to light a cigar and will come back with new thoughts on this... :) | |
| 20:44 | <bennabiy> How does it work if someone does a dist like RHEL or something?
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| 20:45 | <vagrantc> RH family might be a bit too far off to get reliable results
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| 20:45 | <bennabiy> yes...
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| 20:46 | <vagrantc> but debian dists should be able to build on another
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| 20:46 | <bennabiy> I wonder if there is a way to do a check if DIST is manually set, and if so, not do the Mint Dist
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| 20:46 | <vagrantc> though in practice, it might be a bit buggy
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| 20:46 | <bennabiy> like if I wanted to build an Ubuntu client (which basically, I have been doing in the past to connect to my mint server )
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| 20:46 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: but then what if it's set to a mint dist of a different versin
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| 20:47 | <bennabiy> real world example...
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| 20:47 | <vagrantc> running mint 13, trying to build a mint 12
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| 20:47 | <bennabiy> would fail anyways because 12 is no longer supported
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| 20:48 | * vagrantc is not familiar enough with mint releases | |
| 20:48 | <vagrantc> current mint release tries to build current release - 1 ... :p
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| 20:49 | or does mint drop support for old releases as soon as a new one is out?
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| 20:49 | <bennabiy> I doubt anyone on ubuntu would *want* to build a mint client on an ubuntu server
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| 20:49 | 1 year
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| 20:49 | unless LTS
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| 20:49 | <alkisg> if [ -n "$MINT_DIST" } || ( [ "$LSB_VENDOR" = "LinuxMint" ] && [ -z "$DIST" ] ) then
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| 20:50 | <vagrantc> that handles building ubuntu on mint, but not building a different mint release on a mint server
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| 20:51 | <bennabiy> can I bring back up the ability to add custom variables to the command line?
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| 20:51 | by --var VARNAME=BLAH
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| 20:51 | <vagrantc> if boolean_is_true WHY_DOES_MINT_MAKE_THIS_SO_HARD ...
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| 20:51 | <bennabiy> or some such?
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| 20:51 | <bennabiy> hah!
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| 20:52 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: that would require rewriting all the arubmment procssing
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| 20:52 | to support multiple --var foo --var bar
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| 20:52 | <alkisg> (11:50:38 μμ) vagrantc: that handles building ubuntu on mint, but not building a different mint release on a mint server ==> why not?
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| 20:52 | <vagrantc> currently, you'd just end up with bar
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| 20:53 | <alkisg> MINT_DIST="older_version" would still get in the "if"...
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| 20:53 | <vagrantc> alkisg: oh, i see... you'd set MINT_DIST, not DIST
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| 20:53 | <alkisg> You'd set both
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| 20:53 | <vagrantc> sure
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| 20:53 | <alkisg> We want (to compromise with) the following:
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| 20:54 | 1) no params in a mint server => build a mint chroot
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| 20:54 | <vagrantc> (of same version)
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| 20:54 | <alkisg> 2) if one wants to build a mint chroot in a non-mint server, he needs to specify both MINT_DIST and DIST, to provide the "pair"
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| 20:54 | ...in order to avoid us hardcoding all the pairs...
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| 20:55 | <vagrantc> that works
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| 20:55 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 20:55 | <vagrantc> but what if they don't gender identify with the "he" pronoun?
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| 20:56 | <bennabiy> which if someone used a different MINT_DIST version than the server, if it was within the supported dists, it would still work
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| 20:56 | It would just need to be paired with *a* ubuntu version
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| 20:57 | and might not work
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| 20:57 | if not paired properly
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| 20:57 | but someone doing that would probably be aware of the pairings
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| 20:57 | <alkisg> Meh. You English-speaking guys need a neutral pronoun. s/he...
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| 20:57 | <bennabiy> it
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| 20:58 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i've conceeded to use "they"
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| 20:58 | <bennabiy> לךישדגכ
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| 20:58 | <alkisg> If one... they? Meh again
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| 20:59 | <vagrantc> alkisg: it doesn't hurt me as much as s/he
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| 20:59 | * alkisg also hates french guys for using plural for a single person... we greeks picked that up a few decades ago, and it's very annoying | |
| 20:59 | <vagrantc> alkisg: well, hopefully the hatred doesn't burn too hot :p
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| 21:00 | <alkisg> Haha, no worries, I won't punch anyone in the face over it
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| 21:00 | <bennabiy> alkisg: where would you have me add your line, and would that be enough to get it merged for now, and then I can keep working on fine tuning later?
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| 21:01 | <alkisg> bennabiy: just replace your if with mine
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| 21:01 | <bennabiy> I am about to go for a couple days, and want to make the changes while I am still fresh :)
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| 21:01 | alkisg: does it need a ; before the then?
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| 21:02 | <alkisg> Yeah, and some testing, that it works with mint and doesn't break debian/ubuntu builds
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| 21:02 | Other than that, the merge request looks fine to me too, +1
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| 21:02 | See, 23 lines, not enough to bother with creating 23 symlinks instead of it :D
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| 21:03 | <bennabiy> :P
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| 21:04 | hmm..
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| 21:04 | <vagrantc> finished product may need a few more lines
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| 21:04 | <bennabiy> !bennabiy_todo
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| 21:04 | <ltsp`> Error: "bennabiy_todo" is not a valid command.
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| 21:05 | <bennabiy> If you think of any more changes after I commit this, can you leave them for me?
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| 21:05 | I will check in after the shabbat
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| 21:05 | <vagrantc> sure
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| 21:05 | i'll comment on the mege request
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| 21:05 | <bennabiy> I am going to commit alkisg's suggestion, and then you will have the current changes as they sit
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| 21:05 | * alkisg projected that it would need 60 lines so he'll be fine with a few more later on | |
| 21:06 | <alkisg> 'night guys
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| 21:06 | <bennabiy> night
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| 21:08 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: done.
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| 21:09 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: typo in the new code
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| 21:09 | a } should be ]
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| 21:10 | <bennabiy> got it
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| 21:10 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: otherwise it looks merge worthy
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| 21:11 | <bennabiy> pushed
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| 21:11 | _test_
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| 21:12 | <vagrantc> looks good.
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| 21:12 | i'll commit it hen i get to my other computer
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| 21:12 | <bennabiy> great!
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| 21:13 | You are in UK?
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| 21:13 | <vagrantc> due west, over one big pond, stop just shy of the really big pond
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| 21:14 | <bennabiy> Ireland?
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| 21:14 | Dia duit!
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| 21:14 | <vagrantc> no, biger water bodies
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| 21:15 | near the pacific coast on north america
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| 21:15 | a.k.a cascadia
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| 21:16 | <bennabiy> ah,
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| 21:18 | With doug as the flag?
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| 21:19 | I am from Idaho originally, and love the pacific northwest
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| 21:19 | anyways, I will see you when I get back
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| 21:19 | Thanks for all the help!
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| 21:23 | * vagrantc waves | |
| 21:23 | <vagrantc> a bit late
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| 22:54 | <RandomUnregister> Working on packaging LTSP for arch w/ a berryterminal client, I've got to the LDM logon screen but then get 'Restarting X and LDM' upon entering any credentials (regardless of whether they exist)
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| 22:54 | Any pointers as to where I've gone wrong please?
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| 22:54 | <vagrantc> RandomUnregister: you need the ssh keys for the server somehow
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| 22:55 | although berryterminal doesn't use LTSP's packaging at all...
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| 22:55 | <RandomUnregister> Thanks, that makes complete sense
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| 22:55 | Nope, it's fun disecting the pieces :)
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| 22:56 | Thanks for the help... ttfn
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| 22:57 | <vagrantc> would be interesting to see arch support added for LTSP...
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| 22:57 | not that i've ever used arch, there are many things i respect about it
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