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Channel log from 8 February 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:32 | <pembo13> what is required to change the ip address of the bridge interface?
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| 01:32 | i would like to put it on the same subnet as my eth1
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| 01:35 | better Q, why is the bridge network kept seperate from the network used by the clients?
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| 01:36 | <Ryan52> huh?
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| 01:37 | <Ryan52> well, what do you mean by network?
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| 01:37 | <pembo13> Ryan52: rereferring to the network address space
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| 01:38 | i have eth0 connected to my local lan of 192.168.1.0
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| 01:38 | and i'm going to set eth1 to 192.168.3.0
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| 01:38 | <Ryan52> and what about the bridge?
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| 01:39 | <johnny> lemme guess.. it's fedora..
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| 01:39 | <pembo13> i was considering just adding the ltspbr0 to the 192.168.3.0 network, but i am wondering why it is on its own network, of 172.31.100.0
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| 01:39 | <Ryan52> johnny, of course.
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| 01:39 | <pembo13> johnny: is that a problem?
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| 01:39 | <johnny> no.. it's just the only implementation that does the thing with the bridge
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| 01:39 | <pembo13> ok
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| 01:40 | Ryan52: well i'm just trying to understand the need for/logic/rational behind having the bridge on a seperate net
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| 01:40 | <Ryan52> pembo13, oh, ok. you don't really get how bridges works...lemme try to explain.
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| 01:40 | it's not on a separate network.
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| 01:40 | when you add eth1 to your bridge.
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| 01:40 | eth1 no longer has an ip address.
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| 01:40 | so you set up the bridge with the ip address that eth1 would have.
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| 01:40 | it isn't the most intuitive...at all....but does that make sense?
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| 01:41 | <pembo13> yah.. i guess it doesn't work like a hardware bridge then
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| 01:41 | fair enough
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| 01:41 | <johnny> so you can run a dhcp server on it.. and not mess with anything else pembo13
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| 01:41 | <pembo13> so is 172.31.100.0 just a randomly chown net?
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| 01:41 | <johnny> not random.. just unlikely to conflict
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| 01:41 | <pembo13> i would like to keep things consistent and have a 192.168.x.0 net
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| 01:41 | <Ryan52> yes, that's just the default.
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| 01:41 | defaults are sposed to be changed :)
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| 01:41 | <johnny> pembo13, it's not worth the hassle
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| 01:41 | <pembo13> cool
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| 01:42 | i could probably google this, but quick Q...
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| 01:42 | how does ltsp do the X? is it X forwarding? VNC? or something else?
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| 01:42 | <Ryan52> "ssh -X server"
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| 01:42 | <pembo13> cool
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| 01:43 | my first attempt was a little too idea, hoping to try it with lower end clients
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| 01:44 | firefox does this semi stupid thing of only allowing one process per user, is there any way around this?
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| 01:45 | ie. can a single user login from multiple places and use firefox?
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| 01:45 | <Ryan52> use different users.
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| 01:45 | <pembo13> aiight, figured as much
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| 01:45 | <Ryan52> are you trying to do the equivalent of anonymous login?
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| 01:45 | <pembo13> nah
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| 01:45 | i just didn't go as far as creating test users, so i logged in as myself the first time
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| 01:45 | <Ryan52> ah, ok.
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| 01:45 | <pembo13> and tried firefox and had to close it on the test server before i could use it on the client
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| 01:46 | <pembo13> not a big deal, just wanted to know if there was a way around it
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| 01:46 | <johnny> not reliably
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| 01:46 | if you run it like -a someprofile -P someprofile it'll work
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| 01:46 | i do that myself for testing sites
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| 01:49 | <pembo13> johnny: cool, this is all fun and testing for now
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| 01:50 | my only real issue so far is that I need to get more old machines to play with it on
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| 04:41 | <xrmx> hi, anybody has a linux config suitable for ebox sx 2300 to share? debian lenny stock kernel gives me a stack trace which i think comes form missing math emulation
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| 08:51 | <jhutchins_lt> Has there been any progress with flash audio or local USB devices recently?
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| 08:51 | <ogra> wht progress would you expect ?
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| 08:51 | <johnny> progress no.. it's been working for years :)
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| 08:51 | <ogra> works fine since several releases
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| 08:53 | <jhutchins_lt> Ah, I see there are RPM's out as of this past week.
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| 08:53 | johnny: Sorry, flash audio doesn't work in debian ltsp.
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| 08:54 | Not in the current release, etch-n-half and ltsp5.
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| 08:54 | <ogra> ??
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| 08:54 | why shouldnt it work
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| 08:55 | you should be a bit more specific :)
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| 08:55 | it definately works for tons of other people
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| 08:55 | <jhutchins_lt> The debian packages use non-standard audio drivers and flash expects alsa.
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| 08:55 | <johnny> you might need to upgrade your flash
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| 08:56 | <jammcq> ogra: howdie Ollie
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| 08:56 | <johnny> that's what the libflashsupport crap was about
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| 08:56 | <ogra> which debian package, which "non-standard" audio drivers do you mean ?
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| 08:57 | <jhutchins_lt> They don't use alsa.
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| 08:57 | <ogra> sure
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| 08:57 | who is *they*
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| 08:57 | the flash packages in debian ?
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| 08:57 | <johnny> if the drivers don't use alsa, you're kinda stuck
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| 08:58 | oh wait.. there is that executable. aoss
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| 08:58 | wait. that's the opposite
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| 08:58 | <ogra> heh
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| 08:58 | hey jammcq
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| 08:58 | <jhutchins_lt> ogra yes, the ltsp packages in debian do not use alsa.
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| 08:59 | <johnny> that is not the case
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| 08:59 | <ogra> jhutchins_lt, they surely do if the HW is capable
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| 08:59 | <jhutchins_lt> ?
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| 08:59 | <johnny> they only use what linux uses
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| 08:59 | <ogra> alsa is unsed by default on the thin clients
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| 08:59 | on al distros
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| 08:59 | <johnny> it's all pulseaudio
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| 08:59 | <ogra> *all
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| 08:59 | <johnny> mapped to alsa
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| 09:00 | <ogra> right, alsa is definately used in ubuntu and debian for driving your card, pulse is definately used everywhere for doing the network transport
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| 09:00 | s/everywhere/everywhere in ltsp/
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| 09:00 | <jhutchins_lt> Wow. It's really frustrating to have to defend the fact that you're having a problem when what you were looking for was help solving it. Give me a few minutes to duplicate all the work I did on this last week and I'll document it for you all.
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| 09:00 | <johnny> jhutchins_lt, is there is a problem with alsa, it's your driver.. not ltsp
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| 09:01 | <jhutchins_lt> If I weren't having a problem, I wouldn't have asked.
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| 09:01 | <johnny> we know you're having the problem
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| 09:01 | just that the cause is probably not what you think
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| 09:01 | try not to get so defensive
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| 09:01 | let us.. help you
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| 09:01 | <jhutchins_lt> And no, it's no thte driver, flash audio works fine with Mandriva on a flash dirve.
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| 09:01 | <ogra> jhutchins_lt, right, nobody doubts you have a problem
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| 09:02 | <jhutchins_lt> Debian bug 510620.
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| 09:02 | I would love it if I could just configure my way out of this.
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| 09:02 | <ogra> but be sure on the client the system uses alsa ... on top of this pulse is running and listening for network streams from the desktop session
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| 09:02 | <jhutchins_lt> That and get local USB devices working would be great.
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| 09:02 | ogra: The client does not use alsa.
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| 09:02 | <ogra> if you have a problem, its very likely the configuration server side
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| 09:02 | <jhutchins_lt> Give me a moment for a citation...
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| 09:03 | <ogra> hw did you verify the client doesnt use alsa ?
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| 09:03 | *how
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| 09:04 | <jhutchins_lt> partly through asking about the problem here...
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| 09:05 | * ogra is definately sure alsa-utils and libasound are a part of a debian client chroot since years ... and the default kernel definately has the alsa modules builtin in the kernl package | |
| 09:05 | <jhutchins_lt> Ok, I guess I have to do some more reading and track this back down again, I thought I'd found out at least what the problem is.
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| 09:06 | The following refers to k12linux, which is Fedora based but appears to have the same problem. Likely you've dealt with it enough that the solution appears trivial and obvious to you: http://www.k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/How_to_setup_Flash_Player_9_with_esd-pulse_audio_sound_support
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| 09:07 | I'm going to go re-research and re-define the problem so I can ask for help more intelligently.
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| 09:07 | <mih> the sound and the firefox flash plugin are working - at least on my ubuntu intrepid ltsp + dell (fat) client
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| 09:07 | <ogra> if you use flash9 you need to use libflashsupport
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| 09:08 | <mih> I have a similar problem with sound but in rdesktop...
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| 09:08 | <ogra> (which might or might not run stable on your distro, libflashsupport is crappy and a matter of luck)
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| 09:09 | if you are using flash10 libflashsupport isnt needed and flash should properly work
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| 09:09 | note that this hasnt to do anything with alsa ... its a server side issue with the pulseaudio stream
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| 09:10 | <mih> could you help me with a similar problem ?
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| 09:11 | * ogra has no clue about rdesktop ... your best bet might be Gadi if he comes around | |
| 09:11 | <mih> ok
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| 09:12 | <ogra> and for fat client specific stuff nubae is your man
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| 09:15 | <johnny> jhutchins_lt, i wouldn't recommend anything less than flash10 tho
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| 09:16 | there's even a new alpha that lets you have 64bit flash.. without the fake plugin wrapper thingy
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| 09:16 | <jhutchins_lt> I love how when you search for docs, especially for debian, you get great documentation that pertains only to the previous three relases and nothing current. Still digging.
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| 09:17 | <ogra> !debian
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| 09:17 | <ltspbot> ogra: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
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| 09:17 | <ogra> !docs
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| 09:17 | <ltspbot> ogra: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 09:17 | <jhutchins_lt> Hrm, there's one problem, flash 9.
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| 09:20 | <ogra> get libflashsupport
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| 09:21 | (and hope it doesnt crash your browser, i'm not sure how stable it runs on debian)
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| 09:22 | or get flash10
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| 09:25 | * ogra reboots to test some fixes in the intel driver ... bbl | |
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| 09:30 | <mih> meanwhile let me tell you my problem and maybe it's something easy to fix... and maybe someone could figure it out...
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| 09:32 | I have installed an ltsp on ubuntu 8.10. I want to connect the clients (fat dell clients) through the server to an TS 2008. Everything is fine with the script (in lts - SCREEN_08=rdesktop, RDP_SERVER..., RDP_OPDTIONS sound:local,...) but no audio on the client.
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| 09:33 | anyone ?
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| 09:34 | <alkisg> Do you have speakers on the server? Does the sound come out of them?
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| 09:34 | <mih> yes !
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| 09:34 | <alkisg> I had to use padsp to transfer the audio to the clients with rdesktop...
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| 09:34 | <mih> flash player also works
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| 09:35 | <alkisg> ...but I don't think that was with local rdesktop, I think I ran it normally (inside a session). It's been a long time and I was only testing, I don't remember the details, just that I had to use padsp.
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| 09:39 | <mih> (nope, doesn't work) - I've just logged in with a user via ldm and run from terminal padsp rdesktop [options] - nothing...
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| 09:53 | <mih> has anyone tried ubuntu 8.10 lts > SCREEN_0X rdesktop with sound ? is this really working ?
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| 09:54 | <johnny> if nobody answers.. try back on a week day
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| 09:54 | or the forums of course..
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| 09:55 | <mih> I surely do
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| 09:56 | <xrmx> removing /opt/ltsp is enough to start a new client image from scratch?
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| 09:57 | <mih> not quite
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| 09:58 | <mih> you have to edit /etc/inetd.conf to see last lines, if u have to add another image or rename it
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| 09:59 | <ogra> if you just rebuild the values will be identical
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| 09:59 | so yes, usually wiping the contents of /opt/ltsp and running ltsp-build-client should suffice
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| 10:00 | <xrmx> and /var/lib/tftpboot too right?
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| 10:00 | <ogra> the scripts should honor if there are setups that match and just re-use them
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| 10:00 | /opt/ltsp is enough
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| 10:01 | <xrmx> thanks
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| 10:02 | <mih> ogra, could you tell me if there is a problem with rdesktop + sound ? I'm trying for a while and no luck, now, I entered the channel :)
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| 10:03 | <ogra> i never used rdesktop, so i cant :)
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| 10:03 | no windows machines anywhere around me since years
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| 10:03 | <mih> I envy you !!!!
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| 10:05 | as I was told, Gadi is the right person ?
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| 10:05 | <ogra> he did y lot with rdesktop, yes
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| 10:05 | s/y/a/
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| 10:55 | <jhutchins_ltsp> For some reason, now that I've replaced the libflashplayer.so with 10.0 I have no flash plugins in iceweasel or konqueror.
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| 11:00 | <xrmx> shouldn't installing the debian package of the kernel i've compiled in the chroot suffice with debian ltsp5/lenny? i have FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.26/modules.dep: No such file or directory errors
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| 11:00 | <ogra> did you run ltsp-update-kernels ?
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| 11:01 | <xrmx> ogra: yop
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| 11:01 | <ogra> and did you use the default package and just changed the config ?
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| 11:01 | (if you just roll your own package from the kernel it might miss maintainer scripts)
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| 11:01 | <xrmx> ogra: yes, my thin client oops with stock one
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| 11:02 | <ogra> what exactly did you change ?
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| 11:02 | <xrmx> ogra: removed tons of stuff and added math emulation
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| 11:03 | <vagrantc> xrmx: what's your thin client?
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| 11:03 | <xrmx> vagrantc: ebox 2300sx
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| 11:03 | <ogra> eeek
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| 11:03 | * ogra runs away screaming | |
| 11:03 | <vagrantc> yeah, what ogra said
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| 11:04 | those little things are more trouble than they're worth.
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| 11:05 | <xrmx> vagrantc: that's the only cheap small machine you can find in my city :(
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| 11:06 | <ogra> your city doesnt have ebay ? :)
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| 11:06 | <vagrantc> xrmx: all i can say is "good luck" ... if you actually get them to boot, you will have performance problems, sound won't likely work, and probably a handful of other issues with them.
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| 11:06 | <ogra> i.e. that thing you can find on the internet
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| 11:06 | <xrmx> said that, do you have any idea on what i'm doing wrong with the kernel?
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| 11:06 | i don't need sound
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| 11:07 | <ogra> X will be a pain on them
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| 11:07 | <xrmx> ogra: what other stuff i can find on ebay do you suggest?
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| 11:08 | in .eu possibly
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| 11:08 | * ogra points to http://www.artecgroup.com/thincan/ | |
| 11:08 | <ogra> similar price category and actually working
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| 11:08 | <vagrantc> q-funk never did send me one of those...
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| 11:09 | <ogra> well, he cant anymore
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| 11:09 | he's not working there anymore
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| 11:09 | <xrmx> ogra: i've payed the 2300sx half that price, what about pcengines.ch alix?
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| 11:09 | <vagrantc> heh. suppose that's why
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| 11:09 | <ogra> you paid less than €100 ?
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| 11:09 | for an ebox ?
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| 11:10 | so they finally sell them for the price they are worth ? :)
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| 11:10 | like €20 :)
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| 11:10 | <xrmx> ogra: around 100 € including 20% vat
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| 11:10 | <ogra> the thincan is 100€
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| 11:11 | <xrmx> ogra: so 2 units means really two :)
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| 11:11 | <ogra> yes
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| 11:11 | :)
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| 11:12 | <xrmx> i don't have a time machine unfortunately
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| 11:13 | <ogra> well, good luck with the ebox ... i stopped trying to get my hands dirty on them long ago
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| 11:14 | its painfull and the gains you get by all possible optiomizations are not worth the amount of time you have to put in for them
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| 11:17 | <mistik1> that thincan looks really cool
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| 11:18 | * mistik1 wonders if they would customize a model with 3 nics :) | |
| 11:19 | <jhutchins_ltsp> Well, this is just a blast. As soon as I replace libflshplayer.zo 9 with 10, iceweasel no longer sees it.
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| 11:19 | If I copy 9 back, it works just fine.
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| 11:19 | Except, of course, I have no sound.
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| 11:19 | <jammcq> jhutchins_ltsp: how did you install 10?
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| 11:21 | <mistik1> hey jammcq
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| 11:21 | * vagrantc wonders what the next web-oriented multimedia platform to plauge free software will be | |
| 11:21 | <mistik1> How've you been
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| 11:21 | <jammcq> hey mistik1, how are you my friend
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| 11:21 | <jhutchins_ltsp> 1) downloaded tar.gz from adobe, expanded, copied libflashplayer.so to the actual file under /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree, made sure plugins from /usr/lib/mozilla, /usr/lib/iceweasel, etc. pointed to it.
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| 11:21 | <mistik1> jammcq: I cant complain
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| 11:21 | <ogra> wrong place
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| 11:21 | iceweasle uses xulrunner iirc
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| 11:22 | your plugins need to be in the xulrunner subdirs
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| 11:22 | <jhutchins_ltsp> 2) Downloaded fresh copy of tarball, expanded, created "component" directories next to "plugin" directories in /usr/lib/iceweasel, ran installer script.
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| 11:22 | <jammcq> mistik1: cool. things are busy here. that's a good thing.
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| 11:22 | <ogra> (at least its that way for firefox on ubuntu)
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| 11:22 | <mistik1> jammcq: yea, pretty heavy work load
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| 11:22 | <xrmx> /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/ is fine on debian
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| 11:22 | <ogra> oh, then they hacked up firefox
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| 11:23 | <jhutchins_ltsp> ogra: The file in /usr/lib/iceweasel is a symlink. If I replace the file in /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree with the .9 file, iceweasel sees it, if I use the 10 file it doesn't.
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| 11:23 | <ogra> i think that dir isnt used anymore since ancient FF 2.x days
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| 11:23 | <jhutchins_ltsp> It's netscape. They put stuff anywhere they please depending on version.
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| 11:23 | Most distros try to track all the locations down and use symlinks.
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| 11:24 | <xrmx> jhutchins_ltsp: which distro are you using?
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| 11:24 | <jhutchins_ltsp> I have no idea why iceweasel can't see the new file.
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| 11:24 | xrmx: etch-n-half debian.
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| 11:24 | <jammcq> what is 'etch-n-half' ?
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| 11:24 | <xrmx> flash 10 needs a glibc more recente that the one in etch last time i checked
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| 11:24 | <jhutchins_ltsp> jammcq: updated etch.
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| 11:24 | <ogra> jammcq, not completely sid :)
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| 11:24 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 11:25 | <jhutchins_ltsp> jammcq: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf
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| 11:25 | * jammcq can't keep track of debian versions | |
| 11:25 | <jammcq> so it's Etch with backports
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| 11:26 | <jhutchins_ltsp> looks like glibc is 2.3.62
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| 11:27 | The installer contains code that checks glibc, and it doesn't complain.
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| 11:27 | At what point to I need to re-generate the chroot image in ltsp for updates of the core debian to appear?
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| 11:28 | <vagrantc> jammcq: it's officially supported etch with tiny number of backported packages, namely, the linux kernel.
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| 11:29 | <jhutchins_ltsp> Ah hah! Kernel on server != kernel on client!
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| 11:29 | <ogra> doesnt really affect flash :)
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| 11:31 | <jhutchins_ltsp> Ok, but when do I need to run -build-client, when -update-image, and when -update-kernel?
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| 11:32 | <ogra> on debian you dont need -update-image at all
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| 11:32 | -build-client to build a client from scratch ...
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| 11:33 | -update-kernel if you updated the client kernel package inside the chroot
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| 11:33 | <mih> I have one question for X - what should I do to get acceleration for Intel GMA3100 ? do I need to edit/put a script like xorg.conf in chroot, with all the necessary settings from the thin client (graphic card,etc) ?\
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| 11:34 | <jhutchins_ltsp> ogra: Any suggestions on how to resolve the sound problem?
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| 11:34 | <ogra> jhutchins_lt, just make sure to install flash10 properly or keep flash9 and install libflashsupport
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| 11:35 | as i'm saying since hours :)
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| 11:35 | mih, should just work out of the box
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| 11:35 | at least in relatively recent releases (ubuntu, fedora)
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| 11:36 | <mih> ok then, more testing needed here. Still waiting for that sound :) in rdesktop...
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| 11:36 | <jhutchins_ltsp> ogra: But when I "install flash10 properly", iceweasel can't see it.
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| 11:36 | <vagrantc> hopefully debian releases in a week or so, and i can finally start seriously making lenny backports for ltsp! :)
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| 11:37 | <ogra> jhutchins_lt, well, i have not much clue about icewaesle (i'm ubuntu developer, our firefox is unhacked :) ) and i never install flash from a tgz
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| 11:37 | <jhutchins_ltsp> ogra: How do I install libflashsupport?
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| 11:37 | <ogra> vagrantc, so you bet on lenny being out before jaunty ? :)
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| 11:37 | <johnny> it's a package
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| 11:38 | jhutchins_lt, it's a package
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| 11:38 | <ogra> jhutchins_lt, there are packages somewhere, no idea where the debian ones are, ubuntu had it in the archive
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| 11:38 | <vagrantc> ogra: heh. sure hope so. :)
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| 11:47 | <jhutchins_ltsp> ogra: Ok, think I got it.
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| 11:51 | <jhutchins_lt> ogra: Ok, thanks, found it at about the third or fifth page with a dead link by hacking back into their ftp directory, installed it. I crashed once, but is working now.
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| 11:51 | Some days....
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| 11:51 | <ogra> :)
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| 11:51 | <xrmx> how much should take booting with nfs?
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| 11:51 | <jhutchins_lt> Now they're complaining that the sound doesn't sync very well.
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| 11:51 | No pleasing some people.
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| 11:51 | <ogra> yeah, it migth crash more often, libflashsupport is a half hearted hack around a bug in communication between flash and pulse
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| 11:52 | <jhutchins_lt> Sigh.
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| 11:52 | So debian is due to release soon (I hear that's a perpetual condition), there are chances that updated packages will address this and other issues.
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| 11:52 | Now on to configuring the video for the new widescreen monitor.
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| 11:52 | * jhutchins_lt cringes. | |
| 11:53 | * ogra isnt sure the flash-nonfree package will be upgraded to v10 before lenny releases | |
| 11:53 | <ogra> its debian after all ... if you use it, expect more issues with adding nonfree stuff
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| 11:54 | <xrmx> what does "IP-Config: no response after 180 secs - giving up" mean?
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| 11:54 | <ogra> looks like you didnt get a dhcp response
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| 11:55 | <xrmx> ogra: doesn't booting with pxe imply a working dhcp?
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| 12:05 | <jammcq> xrmx: any chance you have 2 nics in the client?
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| 12:05 | <vagrantc> in debian, flashplugin-nonfree will basically only be release via unofficial backports...
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| 12:06 | <xrmx> jammcq: nope, just one
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| 12:07 | my fault dhcp was not authorative
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| 12:08 | mmm looks that's not the cause :(
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| 12:08 | <jhutchins_lt> ogra: Yeah, still trying to learn the debian way. Five different documented methods, none of which will actually quite work.
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| 15:53 | <Remaille> hi all
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| 15:54 | I have a list of 600 users in a txt file. My LTSP server is in a windows network (win 2003 for the server)
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| 15:54 | is there a simple way to create those 600 accounts on the LTSP server ?
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| 15:55 | or maybe to have the LTSP server link directly the active directory ?
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| 15:55 | thanks
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| 15:58 | <alkisg> Remaille: `man newusers` may help...
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| 15:59 | <Remaille> thanks alkisg : i didn't know that command :)
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| 16:12 | <vagrantc> isn't active directory basically an LDAP implementation?
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| 16:15 | * ogra scratches his head | |
| 16:15 | <ogra> root@nslu2:/home/ogra# strace sudo -i -u ogra 2>&1|grep Permission
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| 16:15 | execve("/bin/bash", ["-bash"], [/* 15 vars */]) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied)
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| 16:15 | root@nslu2:/home/ogra#
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| 16:17 | <Ryan52> ogra, /bin/bash's permissions are 700?
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| 19:11 | <stgraber> vagrantc: hey, what's the status of ltspfs in Debian ?
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| 19:13 | vagrantc: Ubuntu enters feature freeze next week so I'll soon need a new ltspfs and am wondering if I should wait for a new ltspfs in experimental or tag a new ltspfs and upload directly to Ubuntu.
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| 19:24 | <vagrantc> stgraber: i didn't tag ltspfs-trunk because it had outstanding issues, so i have no plans to upload to debian
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| 19:25 | <Ryan52> are the issues fixed yet?
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| 19:25 | or is anybody intending on fixing them?
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| 19:27 | <vagrantc> i haven't touched it in two weeks... kind of hit a dead end with it.
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| 19:29 | <Ryan52> oh, ok...what are the issues? /me hasn't yet messed with ltspfs's source, but kind of wants to (:
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| 19:30 | * vagrantc uploads ltsp 5.1.58-1 to debian experimental | |
| 19:30 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: i forget exactly, but it had to do with local mounting and such
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| 19:31 | stgraber: i might consider uploading a patched version with a couple fixes pulled from ltspfs-trunk ... but the local mounting introduced some unpredictable behavior that i would like to have sorted out.
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| 19:32 | stgraber: like mounting with utf8 for when vfat, iso9660, ntfs
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| 19:53 | <xmedex> hello
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| 19:53 | someone please help me
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| 19:53 | hello
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| 19:55 | <vagrantc> !question
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| 19:55 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "question" is if you have a question about ltsp, please go ahead and ask it, and people will respond if they can. please also mention the linux distro and release you're using. :)
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| 19:56 | <xmedex> my thin client wont run if i using 3com switch...why???
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| 19:56 | <vagrantc> xmedex: when does it work?
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| 19:56 | <xmedex> !im using edubuntu 7.10
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| 19:56 | <ltspbot> xmedex: Error: "im" is not a valid command.
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| 19:57 | <xmedex> if i using another switch..its ok
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| 19:57 | im getting weird on that
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| 19:57 | that switch is 3com baseline 2226 plus
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| 19:57 | <vagrantc> my first guess is that it's a smart switch and you need to configure it
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| 19:58 | <xmedex> how to configure it??
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| 19:58 | <vagrantc> that's outside the scope of LTSP...
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| 19:58 | <xmedex> really
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| 19:58 | <vagrantc> you'll have to look up documentation on-line for that
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| 19:58 | <xmedex> ok
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| 19:59 | another one is why my hp thin client wont boot if im using ubuntu 8.10 on my server
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| 19:59 | <stgraber> vagrantc: ok, I'll probably go with tagging ltspfs and uploading it to Ubuntu, I need all new features in by thursday next week, then I can still upload bugfixes :)
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| 19:59 | <vagrantc> other thin clients work fine?
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| 20:00 | <xmedex> no
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| 20:00 | yes
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| 20:00 | other thin client work fine
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| 20:00 | not with hp thin client
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| 20:00 | why??
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| 20:01 | <vagrantc> xmedex: what happens? do you get error messages?
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| 20:01 | <xmedex> memory failed
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| 20:01 | on that thin client
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| 20:02 | <vagrantc> xmedex: same one works with edubuntu 7.10 ?
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| 20:02 | <xmedex> no..that version work fine
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| 20:03 | <vagrantc> xmedex: can you give a little more information about the thin client? what type of processor, ram ...
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| 20:03 | model number...
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| 20:03 | <xmedex> my thin client is hp t5525
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| 20:04 | right now..im doing my thin client project at school
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| 20:05 | all my thin client is hp t5525
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| 20:05 | and i have 4 server running
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| 20:06 | <vagrantc> i'm not familiar with that particular model ... and not really so familiar with ubuntu either
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| 20:06 | <xmedex> then?
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| 20:08 | <vagrantc> xmedex: have you search online for the error message you get?
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| 20:08 | <stgraber> what exactly doesn't work with them ? I haven't tried that kind of hardware with 7.10 but I have some similar thin clients on 8.10 and they usually work fine.
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| 20:09 | btw, if that's a new project, why 7.10 that'll be out of support in two months ?
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| 20:11 | <xmedex> because if im using 8.10, my thin client wont running
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| 20:12 | <stgraber> why ?
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| 20:12 | <xmedex> are you using hp t5525 too
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| 20:12 | ok..
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| 20:12 | <stgraber> I'm using thin clients witth very similar CPU and video card yes
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| 20:12 | <xmedex> after i installed ubuntu 8.10 on my server
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| 20:13 | <stgraber> (WySE with VIA C7 and VIA S3 video card)
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| 20:13 | <xmedex> then i boot my hp t5525
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| 20:13 | ok..its running and loading
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| 20:13 | but its stack and flash a green screean
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| 20:14 | get a message that its says memory failed
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| 20:15 | so??.
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| 20:16 | <stgraber> when do you get that green screen ? after the Ubuntu splash screen or befoore ?
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| 20:16 | <xmedex> after
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| 20:16 | after that flash..its blank
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| 20:16 | until the end
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| 20:18 | <stgraber> ok, looks like a X issue. Did you try setting SCREEN_07=shell in the lts.conf to get a shell instead of X ? it'd help debugging
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| 20:18 | or booting the thin client from an usb key or usb cdrom using a LiveUSB or LiveCD ?
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| 20:19 | <stgraber> hey Gadi_eeepc
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| 20:19 | <Gadi_eeepc> hey!
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| 20:20 | so, I had the "pleasure" of setting up an intrepid server the - er - "normal" way
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| 20:20 | <stgraber> Gadi_eeepc: oh :) so ? :)
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| 20:21 | <Gadi_eeepc> man, did they make the Netowrk Manager stuff terrible for static IPs
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| 20:21 | <stgraber> yeah, I tend to just remove it when installing ltsp
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| 20:21 | <Gadi_eeepc> lol
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| 20:21 | <stgraber> (not that it's not possible to keep it :))
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| 20:22 | <Gadi_eeepc> well, I was determined to have it done "properly"
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| 20:22 | <stgraber> if you edit /etc/network/interfaces, NM is supposed not to mess with your interfaces :)
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| 20:22 | <Gadi_eeepc> well, I did itt by "adding" a new connection and removing the auto ones
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| 20:23 | I think it still didnt get the resolv.conf right
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| 20:23 | I dunno
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| 20:23 | <stgraber> oh, using the GUI ?
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| 20:23 | <Gadi_eeepc> yeah
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| 20:23 | <stgraber> ah, never tried that :)
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| 20:23 | <Gadi_eeepc> I was determined to not touch vi
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| 20:23 | just to see if it could be done
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| 20:23 | <stgraber> but why did you have to change your network config ?
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| 20:23 | <Gadi_eeepc> for static IP
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| 20:24 | <stgraber> if you install with the alternate CD and have two network cards it'll configure everything automatically
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| 20:24 | <Gadi_eeepc> well, a I didnt install from alternate, and b it still wouldnt make eth1 static (would it?)
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| 20:25 | <stgraber> so that's not a "normal" install :)
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| 20:25 | <Gadi_eeepc> what?
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| 20:25 | to want only static IPs on a server?
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| 20:25 | I would think thats pretty normal
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| 20:25 | :)
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| 20:26 | <stgraber> nah, I'm talking about installing ltsp on top of an existing system :)
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| 20:26 | <Gadi_eeepc> whats ridiculous is, didnt anybody test the NM stuff?
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| 20:26 | <Gadi_eeepc> I mean with a static IP address?
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| 20:26 | <stgraber> the "normal" way is to use the alternate CD, tell it to set the right network card as static then continue with the intall
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| 20:26 | <Gadi_eeepc> thats pretty basic
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| 20:27 | <stgraber> and you get one NIC static on the internet and the other static with the DHCP running
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| 20:27 | <Gadi_eeepc> ah
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| 20:27 | still - what does it do? edit NM settings?
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| 20:27 | or network/interfaces?
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| 20:27 | <stgraber> nope, it just generated netowkr/interfaces
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| 20:27 | <Gadi_eeepc> ah
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| 20:27 | <stgraber> then NM detects that network/interfaces has been changed and will switch to "manual"
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| 20:28 | and will stop messing with the NICs :)
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| 20:28 | <Gadi_eeepc> well, I think thats what I'll have to do tomorrow
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| 20:28 | still, say this was just a normal server
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| 20:28 | would I not want to configure static NICs through the GUI?
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| 20:28 | and should that not work?
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| 20:29 | <stgraber> maybe :)
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| 20:29 | <Gadi_eeepc> otherwise, why have it in the GUI?
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| 20:29 | <stgraber> in fact that GUI is not part of NM
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| 20:29 | that's the regular gnome network GUI that edits /etc/network/interfaces
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| 20:29 | <Gadi_eeepc> well, ubuntu ships it
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| 20:29 | <stgraber> and then NM should detect that and switch to manual
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| 20:30 | <Gadi_eeepc> I dont thiink it edits interfaaces
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| 20:30 | thats the problem
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| 20:30 | I think it edit NM settings
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| 20:30 | *edits
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| 21:17 | <try2free> i can't login to my ltsp server. what should i do? yesterday ltsp server ok.
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| 21:19 | <davidj> What's changed?
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| 21:19 | When you say "can't login", what are the symptoms?
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| 21:22 | <try2free> davidj: after input username and password, back to login screen. no message.
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| 21:33 | <jammcq> davidj: hey
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| 21:39 | <try2free> no activity here?
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| 21:42 | <synchris> it doesnt realy sounds like an lstp problem
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| 21:42 | ;p
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| 21:42 | ltsp*
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| 21:42 | bah
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| 21:47 | <davidj> try2free: That sounds like you're account is disabled or expired.
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| 21:47 | jammcq!
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| 21:48 | <davidj> jammcq: How are you?
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| 21:48 | <synchris> or season manager having problems to load DE
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| 21:50 | <jammcq> davidj: doing fine. how's things down in NC ?
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| 21:51 | <davidj> Not bad at all. The weather today was beautify, it felt like the middle of April.
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| 21:51 | My ankle's about healed.
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| 21:51 | <jammcq> yeah, we had 50 yesterday and 42 today
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| 21:51 | oh cool
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| 21:51 | <davidj> Work's been fun, too. How about you?
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| 21:51 | <jammcq> been VERY busy. good busy.
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| 21:52 | <davidj> Same here. My problems have generally been good ones (how to get it all done on time).
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| 21:58 | <try2free> davidj: how to enable? because i did not anything to disable login.
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| 21:58 | <davidj> try2free: It depends on what the problem is.
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| 21:58 | try2free: Do you have root access to the server?
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| 21:59 | <try2free> yes
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| 21:59 | davidj: yes
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| 22:00 | <davidj> Then on the server console, sign in as root in text mode.
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| 22:00 | I'd recommend you never sign in as root in graphical mode.
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| 22:02 | <try2free> ok then?
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| 22:02 | <davidj> Then as root, su to the user with "su - $USERNAME"
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| 22:02 | What happens when you su?
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| 22:03 | <try2free> i log in as a user
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| 22:04 | then?
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| 22:05 | <davidj> Are you logged in as the user?
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| 22:05 | <try2free> yes
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| 22:05 | <davidj> ok, exit back to root.
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| 22:06 | That tells us that the user account isn't disabled.
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| 22:06 | <try2free> ok
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| 22:07 | <davidj> Run "tail -f /var/log/secure", then go to a terminal and try to log in as the user.
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| 22:07 | Come back to the console, and read me what it says.
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| 22:08 | <try2free> ok i try
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| 22:08 | tail: cannot open `/var/log/secure' for reading: No such file or directory
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| 22:08 | tail: no files remaining
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| 22:10 | <davidj> try2free: What distro are you using on the server?
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| 22:10 | mistik1: Hey!
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| 22:13 | <try2free> davidj: ubuntu
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| 22:13 | davidj: ubuntu 8.04
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| 22:14 | <davidj> try2free: Do you know where ubuntu keeps the security logs?
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| 22:16 | <try2free> no
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| 22:19 | <davidj> try2free: Try "ls /var/log" ; do you see "secure" ?
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| 22:19 | <try2free> no
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| 22:20 | <davidj> try2free: Do you see anything?
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| 22:20 | <Gadi_eeepc> try2free: /var/log/auth.log
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| 22:20 | for ssh auth
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| 22:21 | * Gadi_eeepc waves to davidj | |
| 22:21 | <davidj> Gadi_eeepc: Hey!
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| 22:21 | <try2free> Gadi_eeepc: ok, that file exist
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| 22:21 | <davidj> try2free: OK, "tail -f /var/log/auth.log" on the console, then try to log in on a terminal as the user.
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| 22:22 | Gadi_eeepc: How are you?
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| 22:22 | <Gadi_eeepc> try2free: have your ssh keys or networking changed?
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| 22:22 | davidj: ok
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| 22:22 | et tu?
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| 22:22 | <try2free> Gadi_eeepc: i never change anything just sudo apt-get update -> upgrade everyday
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| 22:23 | <Gadi_eeepc> try2free: Im gonna take a wild guess:
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| 22:23 | do this:
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| 22:23 | sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 22:23 | sudo ltsp-update-image
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| 22:23 | reboot the client
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| 22:23 | try logging in again
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| 22:23 | <stgraber> Gadi_eeepc: oh, you just fixed https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/326399 ?
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| 22:23 | <davidj> Gadi_eeepc: I'm fine, thanks. My ankle's about healed.
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| 22:24 | <Gadi_eeepc> davidj: great news@!
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| 22:24 | stgraber: yeah - I was bored
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| 22:24 | :)
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| 22:24 | <stgraber> Gadi_eeepc: cool, it was on my list for next week, thanks :)
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| 22:24 | <davidj> *I* certainly am pleased. The cane got old really quickly.
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| 22:24 | <Gadi_eeepc> no doubt
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| 22:25 | <stgraber> Gadi_eeepc: Marc is the guy doing LTSP-Cluster deployments (I'm mainly doing the dev/testing part)
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| 22:25 | <Gadi_eeepc> gotcha
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| 22:27 | <stgraber> Gadi_eeepc: btw, if there are feature you'd like to be in Jaunty, hurry up, Feature Freeze is next thursday :)
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| 22:28 | <Gadi_eeepc> really/
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| 22:28 | that came quick
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| 22:28 | <stgraber> yeah, two months before the release.
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| 22:30 | <try2free> Gadi_eeepc: still can't login
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| 22:31 | <davidj> try2free: When you try, what shows up in auth.log?
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| 22:31 | <try2free> davidj: everything seems ok in "tail -f /var/log/auth.log", still can't login
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| 22:32 | <davidj> try2free: Does auth.log show a successful login?
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| 22:32 | <Gadi_eeepc> try2free: check the user's .xsession-errors file
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| 22:33 | <try2free> Gadi_eeepc: what to check? can i paste/send the file?
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| 22:35 | ** Message: another SSH agent is running at: /tmp/ssh-UZMEC11985/agent.11985
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| 22:36 | davidj: not show successful login
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| 22:37 | <davidj> try2free: Try logging in as the user on the console.
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| 22:38 | <try2free> then?
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| 22:43 | i am created new user and can login to ltsp server successfull
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| 22:43 | so, how to fix old user?
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| 22:44 | <davidj> Sign out.
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| 22:44 | Sign in as old user on console. Leave the "tail" running.
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| 22:45 | Look at auth.log. It should give you a hint about what the problem is.
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| 22:45 | <cyberorg> Gadi_eeepc, hi, if LDM_SERVER is a list which IP is selected, the first or the last one?
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| 22:46 | <stgraber> alkisg: morning
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| 22:46 | <try2free> ok i try again
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| 22:48 | Feb 9 11:47:11 ubuntu-royal sshd[30300]: Accepted password for andrew from 192.168.1.218 port 58219 ssh2
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| 22:48 | Feb 9 11:47:11 ubuntu-royal sshd[30306]: pam_unix(sshd:session): session opened for user andrew by (uid=0)
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| 22:48 | that's all
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| 22:49 | <alkisg> morning all!
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| 22:49 | <stgraber> alkisg: got my mail ?
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| 22:50 | <alkisg> Just booted the PC, gimme 1 sec...
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| 22:52 | stgraber: yeap, sure, I'd be glad to test. I'll give you vbox feedback today, and real classroom feedback tomorrow.
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| 22:53 | <stgraber> alkisg: soundds good, it should fix most issues I heard about on IRC but I don't have any lab using the avahi stuff so can't really test
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| 22:56 | <alkisg> stgraber: just that I don't have iTalc installed in the chroot (ancient clients with 64Mb RAM), if you also want feedback for that case, you could maybe talk to Lns as well.
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| 22:57 | <stgraber> alkisg: I'll test the xinirc.d part of the change myself as it's also used for ltsp-cluster
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| 22:58 | <alkisg> ok
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| 22:58 | <stgraber> alkisg: btw, was that you who mentioned issues with OpenOffice 3.0 and thin clients ?
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| 22:58 | <alkisg> No, maybe it was nubae?
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| 22:58 | <stgraber> maybe.
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| 22:59 | a customer is asking for it to be deployed on over 3500 thin clients so if it'll fail I'd like to know :)
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| 22:59 | <alkisg> Heh!!!
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| 22:59 | stgraber: up until when should I install jaunty to give as much feedback as I can?
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| 22:59 | for all ltsp-related things...
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| 23:00 | <stgraber> well, you can try jaunty though at the moment you'll get a more recent LTSP using Intrepid + my PPA
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| 23:00 | <alkisg> That's what I have right now
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| 23:00 | <davidj> 'night, everyone.
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| 23:00 | <alkisg> But maybe some things could work in Intrepid and be broken in jaunty?
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| 23:01 | <stgraber> yeah, there was a race condition that made Jaunty to fail 50% of the time, I fixed this one this afternoon :)
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| 23:01 | I actually setup a ltsp-cluster network at home this weekend to debug Jaunty :)
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| 23:01 | <alkisg> Ah, ok then! :)
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| 23:02 | <try2free> davidj: then?
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| 23:02 | <stgraber> and will borrow a few thin clients at the office tomorrow for testing with weird and buggy hardware (VIA and Geode)
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| 23:03 | doing tests with hyper-fast thin clients also help finding some race conditions so I'm actually using a Core2Duo 2.4Ghz as thin client here for testing :)
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| 23:03 | <alkisg> Heh.. I had race conditions with ultra SLOW clients :) (300 MHz)
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| 23:04 | <stgraber> yeah, found some on the geodes as well, these things are really slow ... almost 5 minutes to boot to ldm :)
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| 23:04 | (takes 20s with a recent thin client)
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| 23:04 | <alkisg> Wow... maybe there's something wrong with them, 5 minutes is too much, it only takes 1 minute with my ancient celerons
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| 23:08 | <stgraber> these Geodes are 400Mhz but with only 32kB of cache ... and almost nothing more than mmx :)
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| 23:10 | <cyberorg> stgraber, yesterday we were checking get_host thing for load balancing, http://pastebin.com/d211fc23a
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| 23:10 | <cyberorg> what is the difference between that and ltsp-cluster?
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| 23:12 | <stgraber> that doesn't handle group of servers and doesn't load-balance based on the server load (number of user, CPU usage, memory usage, X sessions, bandwidth usage, ...)
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| 23:13 | <cyberorg> netcat $i 9571 | grep rating | cut -d: -f2 gets the rating from the group of servers
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| 23:14 | <stgraber> in our case, we can restrict a thin client to a pool of server or a single server
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| 23:14 | the application servers just push their status to the loadbalancer so that's the loadbalancer that actually does the math, so only one place to change
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| 23:14 | and that nc code will likely fail if the server is non-responsive
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| 23:15 | so you'd have to wait for it to timeout for each servers in the list
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| 23:16 | <cyberorg> i tested it with one dead server first, get_hosts takes just a couple of seconds to return the list
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| 23:17 | <stgraber> right, now try with 60 servers and 20 of them down :)
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| 23:18 | the time to get a server should never increase depending on the number of server you have or you won't scale
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| 23:19 | <cyberorg> got it
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| 23:20 | can you change the wiki, and add which package needs to be installed on the primary server, other servers and clients?
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| 23:22 | stgraber, also i couldnt find any configuration information, what files do we have to modify to get it working
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| 23:22 | <stgraber> nothing on the client and we usually split all of the other services, one by server (or VM)
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| 23:23 | on the client you just need a configuration file (there is a ltsp-build-client plugin for that)
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| 23:23 | for the config you need /etc/ltsp/lbsconfig.xml for the load-balancer and /etc/ltsp/ltsp-cluster-control.config.php for the control center
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| 23:23 | <cyberorg> stgraber, we dont have that on suse :)
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| 23:23 | <stgraber> cyberorg: well, it's in ltsp-trunk so ...
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| 23:24 | <stgraber> you just need to look and copy it to suse :)
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| 23:24 | <cyberorg> ok
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| 23:24 | <stgraber> for the configuration, look at the OpenVZ, even if you don't do it with OpenVZ, it explains what to configure for each service
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| 23:25 | <cyberorg> stgraber, i can't find ltsp-cluster-control.config.php anywhere
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| 23:26 | ltsp-cluster ltsp-cluster-control ltsp-cluster-lbclient ltsp-cluster-nxloadbalancer ltsp-cluster-accountmanager ltsp-cluster-lbagent ltsp-cluster-lbserver ltsp-cluster-pxeconfig
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| 23:26 | in any of the above folder
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| 23:26 | <stgraber> hmm, right, it's probably a symlink, wait a sec
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| 23:27 | <cyberorg> i set this up http://cyberorg.kicks-ass.org/lcc/Admin/admin.php without understanding any of what i was doing :P
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| 23:28 | it gives acces without any authentication
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| 23:28 | <alkisg> stgraber: also, an annoying detail - when using the Ubuntu "guest session", ica complains that port 5800 is in use. Could that somehow go to a debug log instead of popping a window?
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| 23:28 | <stgraber> cyberorg: ok, that's config.php in Admin/util/
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| 23:29 | <cyberorg> yes that is why i modified
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| 23:29 | <stgraber> alkisg: well, that'd need a patch in iTalc ... or to add some more magic to ica-launcher
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| 23:29 | <cyberorg> *what
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| 23:29 | <stgraber> cyberorg: well, looks like your control-center is working correctly :)
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| 23:30 | <cyberorg> stgraber, nopes, http://cyberorg.kicks-ass.org/lcc/
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| 23:30 | <stgraber> cyberorg: for the authentication, it's up to you to choose what kind of authentication you want using apache
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| 23:30 | <cyberorg> stgraber, i didnt know where the folders should go
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| 23:30 | <stgraber> Admin Terminal and Tech should be at the root of your web server
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| 23:31 | <cyberorg> stgraber, as we are already using postgres, i think admin user needs to be configured using that
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| 23:31 | <stgraber> and Admin be protected using apache's authentication (ldap, flatfile, whatever you like)
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| 23:32 | <cyberorg> that would work too
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| 23:32 | <stgraber> cyberorg: nope, we don't want to handle the authentication in our code, we did it and it was a pain :) using apache for that is a lot easier and a lot more flexible
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| 23:32 | as with 2.2 you can use several authentication backend, use some fallback authentication, ... apache is really good for that :)
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| 23:34 | <cyberorg> stgraber, why isnt there index file here?
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| 23:35 | <johnny> stgraber, many of us.. do not use apache..
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| 23:36 | like me..
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| 23:36 | luckily few changes have to be made
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| 23:36 | to support other servers
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| 23:36 | <stgraber> johnny: well, we don't provide any apache-specific file and most web servers support similar authentication mechanism
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| 23:36 | <Ryan52> johnny, which do you use?
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| 23:37 | <cyberorg> stgraber, so just /etc/ltsp/getltscfg-cluster.conf in the client is enough?
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| 23:37 | <stgraber> johnny: my point was more that unless you have to store user-specific informations, handling the authentication yourself is generally a pain and not really necessary
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| 23:37 | <johnny> Ryan52, cherokee
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| 23:38 | truly stgraber :)
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| 23:38 | <stgraber> cyberorg: yes, there are xinit rc.d scripts / ldm rc.d scripts and a few other places in ltsp that are checking for that file
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| 23:38 | cyberorg: so just adding that file will trigger all the ltsp-cluster bits in ltsp
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| 23:38 | <cyberorg> and ltsp-cluster-client pacakge?
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| 23:38 | <stgraber> doesn't exist anymore, it's been removed from Launchpad IIRC
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| 23:39 | <cyberorg> can you pastebin the file, just want to see how it looks like in working set up :)
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| 23:40 | <johnny> Ryan52, at least until the glibified lighty 2.x releases happen
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| 23:40 | lighttpd*
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| 23:40 | <stgraber> cyberorg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/115868/
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| 23:40 | <johnny> i was using lighttpd before.. but 1.4.x had broken proxy support, and 1.5.x wasn't ready
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| 23:41 | <stgraber> cyberorg: the script in server/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Ubuntu/ now contains a generator asking the user for each of these variables and generating the config file
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| 23:41 | <Ryan52> johnny, ah...why?
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| 23:42 | <stgraber> (uploaded that this afternoon)
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| 23:42 | <johnny> why what? Ryan52 ?
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| 23:42 | <Ryan52> why not apache?
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| 23:42 | <johnny> how about why apache?
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| 23:42 | apache does too much for what i need
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| 23:42 | and i use fastcgi and similiar methods for php,ruby,python
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| 23:42 | and if i'm gonna do that.. no need for all the excess infra
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| 23:43 | <Ryan52> okie doke.
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| 23:43 | <alkisg> johnny: how easy is its web interface? could a simple computer teacher use it?
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| 23:43 | <cyberorg> stgraber, thats what i thought, i had just echo SERVER=$CLUSTER_CONTROL > /etc/ltsp/getltscfg-cluster.conf :)
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| 23:43 | <johnny> alkisg, i think it is good..
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| 23:43 | it has inline help
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| 23:43 | <alkisg> Because apache .conf files can be a pain... ok, nice!
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| 23:43 | <johnny> if you find it isn't clear.. the folks are good at clearing it up
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| 23:44 | english isn't their native language either
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| 23:44 | the most active contributors that is
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| 23:44 | <alkisg> And php installation is easy?
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| 23:45 | <cyberorg> stgraber, i would use a ltsp-cluster.conf file and read the variables from there, so the build client is non-interactive
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| 23:46 | <stgraber> well, for Ubuntu I like interactive :) but you're free to do it non-interactive for opensuse
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| 23:46 | <johnny> alkisg, sure.. but is is easy with apache as well.. it usually comes configured out of the box on any distro i've used
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| 23:46 | <alkisg> Php is easy with apache, but configuring virtual directories isn't :)
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| 23:46 | <cyberorg> stgraber, cool :)
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| 23:47 | <johnny> alkisg, well.. you won't know til you try
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| 23:47 | <alkisg> johnny: I will! :)
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| 23:47 | <johnny> i think cherokee is easy.. but i've also been messing with web servers for 8 or so years
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| 23:47 | <alkisg> I've been using apache for a long time, but I'm thinking about what I should advice the other teachers here
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| 23:48 | <johnny> well.. for public sites.. they should just get a cpanel account..
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| 23:48 | or plesk.. or whatever is hot in that business
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| 23:48 | and just use shared hosting
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| 23:48 | <alkisg> No, just inside the lab, for some simple cms for the students to work with
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| 23:48 | <cyberorg> stgraber, will keep you posted how it goes :)
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| 23:49 | <johnny> alkisg.. thing about cherokee admin tho.. is that you should run it tunneled over ssh
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| 23:49 | if you run it on the same server it is active on..
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| 23:49 | atlho technically you can run cherokee-admin on any computer.. and just upload it..
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| 23:49 | <johnny> upload the generated config*
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| 23:49 | <zer0c00l> hi room, i am using pxegrub to load the grub through network, but by default its not showing me the menu, instead it shows the prompt i have to type configfile command to make it show the menu.lst...how can i automate this or how can i make the pxegrub to show the menu.lst by default (without having to use the command)
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| 23:49 | <alkisg> johnny: so it refuses to run if you run it locally? !
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| 23:50 | <johnny> well if you're running the server on the same computer as your web browser.. no big deal
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| 23:50 | but if you want to edit the web server config from somewhere else, it is recommended that you tunnel it
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| 23:50 | <alkisg> Ah, just for security reasons.. No concern there! :)
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| 23:51 | <johnny> yes
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| 23:51 | you should make sure you use a post .97 release
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| 23:51 | whatever is newest
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| 23:51 | <alkisg> johnny: thanks, I'll try it!
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| 23:51 | <johnny> the webadmin looks alot better on 1024x screens now
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| 23:51 | <alkisg> zer0c00l: pxegrub? is that a seperate application or just the pxe / grub combo?
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| 23:52 | <johnny> also.. they added a File Exists rule that can match any file..
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| 23:52 | <zer0c00l> compiled the grub with --enable-pxe option
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| 23:52 | <johnny> so it will behave like the mod rewrite rules -f and -d
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| 23:52 | which are very common in dynamic applications
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| 23:52 | <zer0c00l> so that we can load grub through network
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| 23:52 | <johnny> that's not exactly ltsp related
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| 23:53 | <zer0c00l> but i use it to boot ltsp server johhny
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| 23:53 | <alkisg> zer0c00l: I think that wasn't really well supported, aren't pxelinux / gpxelinux good enough for you?
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| 23:53 | (network support in grub, I mean)
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| 23:53 | <zer0c00l> alkisg: i have patched the existing grub
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| 23:53 | <johnny> zer0c00l, why?
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| 23:53 | <zer0c00l> to make it more supported
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| 23:53 | <johnny> why doesn't just plain pxe work for you?
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| 23:54 | <zer0c00l> its my project in school
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| 23:54 | <johnny> then you get to pick up the pieces :)
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| 23:54 | altho i wish i had had a project in school to mess with linux related anything :)
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| 23:55 | <zer0c00l> oh
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| 23:55 | let me try then
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| 23:55 | :)
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| 23:56 | <cyberorg> stgraber, what is INVENTORY?
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| 23:56 | <alkisg> zer0c00l: so what would pxegrub be able to do that pxelinux can't do right now out of the box?
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| 23:56 | <johnny> cyberorg, an inventory is.. (defintion from dictionary)
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| 23:56 | lol
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| 23:58 | <cyberorg> shrek, discussion stgraber and i were having just before you came in http://paste.ubuntu.com/115870/
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| 23:59 | johnny, haha :P
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