IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 4 May 2016 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:14 | <juantelez> Hi. Is it possible to use the raspberry's camera with LTSP?
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| 07:13 | <kidar> hi, I would like to setup an edubuntu network and i need help please
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| 07:13 | I would like a server that has private share and common share
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| 07:14 | i would like all pc (they have hard drives) to logon to server by default
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| 07:14 | i have 7 users and the a server, pcs are p4 with 1 gig ram and 80 gig hd, server is c2d with 4gig ram and 500 gig hard drive, i am using 14.04lts also
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| 07:15 | any help with the above will be appreciated it is for an ngo
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| 07:25 | <maldridge> kidar: where are you running into trouble?
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| 07:25 | and are you going for edubuntu specifically or just ltsp
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| 07:31 | <kidar> edubuntu and ltsp
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| 07:39 | i want the users to have access to there private folder and also to a common folder where common docs can be stored
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| 07:42 | Also how can i set the system up so that they have to logon to the server but still have access to the local c drive
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| 07:47 | <alkisg> !ltsp-pnp
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| 07:47 | <ltsp`> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 07:47 | <alkisg> kidar: follow that tutorial. Download ubuntu-mate-desktop-i386.iso for the 16.04 version of ubuntu
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| 07:47 | Forget about edubuntu, it's dead. But you can still install all the educational software that you want.
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| 07:54 | <alkisg> !ubuntu-mate
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| 07:54 | <ltsp`> ubuntu-mate: Ubuntu-mate works very well with LTSP, even with older clients. Download the 64-bit version if *all* your clients have >= 2GB RAM, otherwise download the 32-bit version. http://ubuntu-mate.org/download/
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| 08:06 | <kidar> ok and then how do i set the fat clients to logon
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| 08:07 | <alkisg> It's done automatically, you don't need to do anything
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| 08:07 | If you follow that page, you'll be able to create users on the server only, and then login from any terminal that you want
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| 08:08 | <kidar> would i be booting up using pxe or installing mate on all pcs also
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| 08:09 | <alkisg> Using pxe
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| 08:09 | It's easier to maintain it that way
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| 08:09 | You install the programs once, and all the clients get them
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| 08:13 | <kidar> ok and will they be able to use there local hard drives. and can you help with like mapping of the personal share and common share
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| 08:15 | <alkisg> How do you want to use the local hard drives?
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| 08:15 | Sure, they're able to, but they're outside of their /home directory, so it's not always best to use them
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| 08:16 | <kidar> in case the want to use it for storage or do you suggest not using them
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| 08:16 | <alkisg> Are they going to work with really big files, like videos etc?
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| 08:17 | Do you have 7 users and 7 clients, i.e. one user per client?
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| 08:17 | <kidar> they going to be some videos but not very big, some pictures and then mostly documents.
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| 08:17 | yes i do
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| 08:17 | <alkisg> Do you have gigabit networking, at least from the server to the switch?
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| 08:18 | <kidar> no all the nics in the clients are 100mb and the switch is also 100mb
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| 08:19 | <alkisg> Can you buy another switch? Or completely no money on that setup?
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| 08:19 | A 8 port switch should be around 20 euros...
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| 08:19 | <kidar> i can get 1gb nic for the server, as i want 1 nic for internal for the clients and the other for accessing the internet
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| 08:19 | can get a switch
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| 08:20 | <alkisg> OK then I propose not to use the local disks, it's not worth the overhead of maintaining them
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| 08:20 | Without the local disks, the users will be able to sit on any client they want, and login with their credentials
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| 08:20 | While using the local disks, they would only be able to work on their own client
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| 08:21 | <kidar> would you suggest then having a 160 gig for the os and then atleast 1tb or two 500 gig for the shares
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| 08:21 | would this be possible
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| 08:21 | <alkisg> Of course it's possible, but do your users really need that much data?
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| 08:22 | <kidar> they have lots of pictures already a 500 gig is nearly full.
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| 08:22 | <alkisg> Hmmm
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| 08:22 | That would mean that each user has more than 50 GB of data
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| 08:23 | Then maybe you should use those local disks after all, if you trust that they won't fail due to old hardware
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| 08:23 | <kidar> no just 1 user. but these pics would be in the common share
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| 08:23 | each users docs are about max 9 gig at the moment
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| 08:24 | <alkisg> You can setup a common share with the LOCALAPPS_EXTRA_MOUNTS directive in lts.conf, you'll learn about that later no
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| 08:24 | on
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| 08:24 | !lts.conf
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| 08:24 | <ltsp`> lts.conf: (#1) http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf, or (#2) lts.conf manpage is available in the ltsp-docs package
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| 08:24 | <kidar> i was thinking that if i install 2 500 gig
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| 08:24 | <alkisg> Is someone going to be working directly on the server? Logging in there etc?
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| 08:25 | <kidar> nope the server would be stand alone no one will work on it
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| 08:27 | <alkisg> OK, well, since you have a lot of data per user and since your users won't be changing seats/clients, then you can use the local hard disks, you might get a bit of better performance that way
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| 08:27 | Leave the common share to the server though
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| 08:28 | <kidar> ok i am downloading mate currently. will setup server later today
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| 08:29 | might need help in setting up the common share and local share.
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| 08:30 | <kidar> i liked the idea about them using the server for everything then possiblity of failure on the old hard drives is minimal
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| 08:32 | <alkisg> Your server and clients are the lowest minimums for ltsp fat clients, so if you can get better performance from the local disks, maybe you should
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| 08:32 | Do you remember how many GHz the Pentium 4's are?
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| 08:32 | 1.7? 2.4? 3?
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| 08:33 | <kidar> 2.4
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| 08:33 | and the server is a c2d
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| 08:33 | <alkisg> Good enough for fullscreen youtube then
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| 08:33 | c2d is too generic
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| 08:33 | Do you remember the exact processor model?
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| 08:34 | <kidar> 2.3 vpro
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| 08:36 | <alkisg> I can't find a "vpro" processor
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| 08:36 | less /proc/cpuinfo ==> tells you the cpu name
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| 08:37 | <kidar> intel it is a hp desltop
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| 08:38 | <alkisg> $ awk -F ': ' '/model name/ { print $2; exit }' /proc/cpuinfo
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| 08:38 | Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4440 CPU @ 3.10GHz
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| 08:38 | https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i5-4440+%40+3.10GHz
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| 08:38 | <kidar> i might be able to get aan i3 machine with 4 gig ram
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| 08:38 | <alkisg> Average CPU Mark: 6409
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| 08:39 | Can you tell me your server score, like I did for mine?
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| 08:39 | <kidar> have not installed the software yet it is still downloading
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| 08:39 | <alkisg> The CPU can be seen in the bios as well, or in windows, etc etc
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| 08:39 | Anyway
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| 08:40 | <kidar> give me a sec will start it up
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| 08:42 | it is e6550 at 2.3ghz, processor speed is 2333/1333mhz
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| 08:42 | <alkisg> http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core2+Duo+E6550+%40+2.33GHz
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| 08:42 | Score: 1504
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| 08:43 | That's also the lowest acceptable for a server
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| 08:43 | Ideally, your clients would have 1500 score (now they have only 230), and your server would have more than 5000 score...
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| 08:44 | <kidar> what would you recommend for the server
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| 08:45 | <alkisg> Anything with score > 5000, vt-d for virtualization, and aes support for sshfs
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| 08:45 | E.g. any recent i5
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| 08:47 | <kidar> Intel Core i5 3.2GHz Processor
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| 08:47 | <alkisg> Changing the server won't matter much if you'll keep those clients
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| 08:47 | <kidar> i can't change all 7 clients
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| 08:47 | that becomes to costly
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| 08:47 | <alkisg> i5 3.2 is not enough. Which generation? The processor model is essential.
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| 08:48 | Then keep the server as it is
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| 08:48 | <kidar> you mean the c2d server
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| 08:48 | <alkisg> It will be better to give some money in order to make the best possible setup with the current server, rather than changing the server
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| 08:48 | Yes
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| 08:50 | <kidar> what do u mean give money
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| 08:50 | u mean save
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| 08:50 | <alkisg> For support, for someone that knows ltsp well to help you get the most out of your hardware
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| 08:50 | I.e. disable flow control, use the local drives, make the user and global share etc
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| 08:51 | Those things can make a setup 10 times faster, without having to replace all 7 clients
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| 08:51 | <kidar> i am in durban, south africa, dont know anyone here
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| 08:51 | <alkisg> Remotely
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| 08:51 | E.g.
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| 08:51 | !vnc-dide
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| 08:51 | <ltsp`> vnc-dide: To share your screen with me, run this: sudo apt-get --yes install x11vnc; x11vnc -connect srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr - this is a reverse connection, it doesn't need port forwarding etc.
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| 08:51 | <alkisg> ...here's how I support 1000+ schools here :)
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| 08:51 | <kidar> :)
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| 08:52 | <kidar> my download is still running. Can we do on friday? or maybe even tomorrow
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| 08:52 | <alkisg> Cool, debconf is in cape town this summer, some ltsp developers might get there :)
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| 08:53 | We were even planning on starting ltsp 6 there, the new version of ltsp, let's see if we'll be able to...
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| 08:53 | <kidar> why nothing in durban
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| 08:53 | <alkisg> Haha dunno, maybe cape town has more debian users
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| 08:54 | <kidar> after this office i planning on setting up something similar at the Gandhi Settlement in Durban for the kids living around the area
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| 08:54 | <alkisg> Nice, yeah ltsp will fit very well there
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| 08:54 | <kidar> the office setup is for the gandhi Development Trust an NGO in Durban
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| 08:57 | chat later
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| 08:57 | <alkisg> bb
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| 17:19 | <bennabiy> alkisg: It seems my lts.conf is not being read in 16.04... did something change?
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| 17:20 | alkisg: nevermind, I figured it out
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| 17:38 | <bennabiy> alkisg: actually, my advanced menu disappeared now that lts.conf in place... probably an update issue
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| 19:05 | <alkisg> bennabiy: what is an "advanced menu"?
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| 19:05 | <bennabiy> mate-menu
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| 19:05 | the fork of mint-menu in ubuntu-mate
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| 19:05 | <alkisg> Still using mint? or mate now?
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| 19:06 | <bennabiy> 16.04 ubuntu
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| 19:06 | <alkisg> Do you mean ubuntu-mate 16.04?
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| 19:06 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 19:06 | <alkisg> Nice!
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| 19:06 | <bennabiy> I have one lab switched over
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| 19:06 | <alkisg> Good to see you away from the broken mint distro!
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| 19:07 | * bennabiy sighs | |
| 19:07 | <alkisg> I'm using the redmond menu myself
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| 19:07 | <maldridge> mint has a fantastic visual appeal, but they have much to learn in running a distro
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| 19:07 | <bennabiy> maldridge: agreed
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| 19:07 | but they give their whole hearts
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| 19:07 | <maldridge> alkisg: redmond menu? I assume like windows menus?
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| 19:07 | <alkisg> yes, in ubuntu-mate 16.04 as well
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| 19:08 | <bennabiy> maldridge: I use it when the mate-menu is not working
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| 19:08 | err alkisg ^
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| 20:14 | <alkisg> bennabiy: did you find any issues so far?
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| 20:14 | <bennabiy> other than the missing menu?
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| 20:15 | I have had a few random crashes
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| 20:15 | <alkisg> You still have a missing menu? Even on new users?
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| 20:15 | <bennabiy> yes.
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| 20:15 | Just the "Advanced" mate-menu
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| 20:15 | <alkisg> Hrm, that's strange, does it also happen if you login on the server?
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| 20:15 | <bennabiy> not sure... server is headless
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| 20:15 | <alkisg> Ah, the other menus show up fine?
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| 20:15 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 20:16 | at least the redmond one does
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| 20:16 | could you try enabling the "Advanced" menu in mate-tweak and see if you get the menu?
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| 20:16 | I have all updates applied
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| 20:17 | <alkisg> I already had that in this particular laptop, I just updated, I'll tell you after rebooting
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| 20:17 | <bennabiy> ok
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| 20:18 | <alkisg> bennabiy: i'm using the redmond advanced menu, are you talking about that one, or about the ubuntu MATE advanced menu?
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| 20:19 | <bennabiy> alkisg: redmond, should be a larger menu button which shows a semi panel layout
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| 20:19 | <alkisg> And you see the panel, but not the menu button?
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| 20:19 | <bennabiy> my panel is there (no issue with mate-panel)
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| 20:20 | and I can manually add things to the panel
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| 20:20 | but the advanced menu does not show up
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| 20:20 | <alkisg> I'm getting a python traceback about button2 being referenced before use
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| 20:20 | <alkisg> I think that's what's blocking your menu too...
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| 20:20 | <bennabiy> probably
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| 20:21 | is it showing for you at all?
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| 20:22 | <alkisg> When I check the advanced menu, the "start button" is lost
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| 20:22 | In all other cases, it's shown
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| 20:25 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 20:25 | alkisg: that is what I encounter
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| 20:25 | but if you check processes running, the menu is still there, just not able to be accessed
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| 20:26 | and ifyou look in dconf
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| 20:31 | <alkisg> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/254014318/mate-menu_5.7.0-1_5.7.1-1.diff.gz
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| 20:34 | Yup the issue is the wrong logic about the software center button
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| 20:35 | Anyway let's talk about it in #ubuntu-mate, bennabiy
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| 20:35 | <bennabiy> alkisg: agreed. That is where I originally brought it up
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| 22:57 | <talntid> for ltsp-pnp, the "DNS issues" section... does this have to happen after every boot?
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