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Channel log from 31 March 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:36 | <alkisg> !seen sbalneav
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| 01:36 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 5 days, 12 hours, 6 minutes, and 1 second ago: <sbalneav> No "process" magic.
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| 05:38 | <alkisg> nbdrootd: ALL: keepalive
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| 05:38 | How could I rewrite this to work for local networks only?
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| 05:38 | nbdrootd: 10. 192.168.: keepalive ? or does it need 2 lines?
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| 05:47 | Ah, commas...
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| 08:36 | <_UsUrPeR_> morning all.
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| 08:38 | <_UsUrPeR_> I have installed gnome via "sudo apt-get -y install gnome-core gdm network-manager-gnome fast-user-switch-applet human-theme x11-xserver-utils tangerine-icon-theme gnome-themes-ubuntu ubuntu-artwork jockey-gtk gnome-screensaver gnome-utils", and I keep getting an applet error whenever I log in as a new user
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| 08:39 | the error is: "The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_FastUSserSwitchApplet".
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| 08:40 | This was installed this way on ubuntu server to strip out all the un-needed stuff that installes with the Ubuntu-desktop package
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| 08:40 | from what I understand, fast_user_switch is no longer used in 9.10
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| 08:40 | so what is attempting to start this?
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| 08:59 | <mgariepy> good morning all
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| 09:01 | <cyberorg> _UsUrPeR_, hi, i've added lvda(?) hack to new opensuse images let me know if it serves your purpose
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| 09:01 | <_UsUrPeR_> cyberorg: LVDS and awesome! :D I'll check that out to see if it's working.
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| 09:01 | <mgariepy> hey alkisg, your fat client are working properly ?
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| 09:02 | <alkisg> mgariepy: sure, my daughter is just playing xmame games beside me on one :)
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| 09:02 | <mgariepy> alkisg, are you using lucid or karmic ?
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| 09:02 | <alkisg> Lucid, but I heard 2 people here that tried it on Karmic successfully
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| 09:04 | <mgariepy> ok, i'll try to update my chroot then, i have kind of a weird issue, it's working properly only on even day .. and today it's a odd one..
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| 09:04 | <alkisg> Heh, what's the problem that you get?
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| 09:05 | <mgariepy> all my process get stuck in a IOWAIT then i got kernel msg that tell me that process got stuck for more then 120 secondes.
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| 09:06 | <alkisg> woah, never saw that...
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| 09:06 | <mgariepy> i hope updating the chroot will fix the issue.
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| 09:06 | <alkisg> That on karmic?
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| 09:06 | <mgariepy> lucid
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| 09:06 | <alkisg> Yeah, maybe a temporary break then
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| 09:06 | <mgariepy> it's very weird.
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| 09:06 | <alkisg> Did you update the chroot recently?
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| 09:06 | <mgariepy> i haven't updated it in a whil.e
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| 09:07 | <alkisg> E.g. I tried to update it but I got a broken dbus on update, which would have gotten me problems if I hadn't noticed it...
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| 09:07 | <mgariepy> it was working great for 2 weeks..
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| 13:21 | <Lns> Good morning/afternoon/evening/twilight all
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| 13:22 | <abeehc> morning!
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| 13:22 | <CAN-o-SPAM> hi lns, hi abeehc
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| 13:23 | <Lns> hey
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| 13:30 | <abeehc> i had a new query the other day
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| 13:31 | how might one expose an ltsp desktop session to a vpn user
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| 13:32 | i think i'm going to boot a thinclient via vmware and expose vnc to in this case a windows client
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| 13:51 | <alkisg> abeehc: why not just use freenx/neatx?
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| 13:52 | If it's just remote desktop you're after, why do you want LTSP?
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| 14:02 | <abeehc> hmm
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| 14:02 | i'd rather use it than windows terminal server
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| 14:02 | am i alone in that? hehe
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| 14:02 | just something that crossed my mind cause some of my users aren't quick enough to ensure the files they need to work on are on a network drive
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| 14:03 | and so as it is they all remote into a ms 2003 terminal server and in some cases can't access the files they'd expect
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| 14:03 | or their thunderbird is lacking signature
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| 14:03 | small things really
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| 14:04 | ltsp seems to be a good fit here as it is outside of the perf problems i've been working on
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| 14:05 | in the end i just gotta train the users to use their network drives better i suppose
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| 14:06 | <Lns> abeehc: you can expose it to a VPN user via X11, you don't need LTSP or anything like that
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| 14:07 | <abeehc> yeah that's along the lines of what i was thinking
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| 14:07 | though naturally these people are all running windows clients at home
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| 14:07 | haven't looked at windows x11 implementations for a long time haha
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| 14:08 | i should probly be looking at this freenx
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| 14:08 | <Lns> abeehc: but as alkisg said, freenx/neatx/vnc would be a better approach most likely
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| 14:08 | <abeehc> :)
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| 14:08 | <Lns> ;)
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| 15:25 | <vbundi> is there an alsa config file to set the default output device on a particular card?, ie digital vs analog, and is there a shell command for showing a list of available outputs?
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| 16:22 | <Lns> vbundi: try looking at alsactl and alsaset
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| 16:24 | <vbundi> Lns: hmm I didn't see a 'list' option but I found /var/lib/alsa/asound.state shows the inputs/outputs configured... this might help
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| 16:25 | <Lns> vbundi: i know i've used alsaset/ctl to turn on/off headphone jack sense before, i'd think you can pretty much do anything you want with those two =)
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| 16:27 | <vbundi> Lns: yeah I don't have alsaset on this system
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| 16:28 | <Lns> oh sorry, that might have been wrong...alsactl works well though
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| 16:28 | argh...ok try amixer
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| 16:29 | <vbundi> Lns: so if I'm trying to configure a soundcard for a terminal.... would I be running alsactl and or editing a conf file from a local xterm then or from a gnome-terminal
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| 16:29 | Lns: I'm thinking the former... but I can't find /var/lib/alsa/asound.state in the local system
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| 16:29 | <Lns> vbundi: you'd be using it from the shell on the local terminal
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| 16:31 | <vbundi> Lns: only command I can find on the local xterm is alsamixer... upon running it I get 'cannot open mixer: No such file or directory'
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| 16:32 | <Lns> weird
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| 16:32 | it's detecting your sound card though?
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| 16:32 | <alkisg> vbundi: add /sbin to your path
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| 16:33 | <vbundi> alkisg: there are no alsa programs in /usr/sbin/
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| 16:33 | <alkisg> Not /usr/sbin, just /sbin
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| 16:33 | <vbundi> doh
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| 16:33 | <Lns> hehe
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| 16:33 | thx akl
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| 16:33 | alkisg*
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| 16:33 | <alkisg> np
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| 16:33 | <Lns> alkisg: i take it you've been down that road before?
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| 16:34 | <alkisg> Missing path? Sure :D
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| 16:34 | <Lns> hahaha
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| 16:35 | <alkisg> !shell-screen
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| 16:35 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: "shell-screen" :: One way to get local root access to troubleshoot a thin client is to use a shell SCREEN: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using%20a%20shell%20SCREEN
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| 16:35 | <alkisg> ^^ that works better than localxterm for system commands
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| 16:36 | <vbundi> alkisg: if I want to change my default output device.... should I be looking at alsa or pulseaudio
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| 16:37 | <alkisg> No idea about sound, sorry
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| 16:37 | <vbundi> I only have one 'card' but it has 2 outputs... it's defaulting to output to the speaker jack, but I want it to use the internal speaker
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| 16:37 | <alkisg> I think alsa, not pulse
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| 16:38 | One of those commands lists your outputs,
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| 16:38 | and then you can turn that into an lts.conf parameter I think...
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| 16:38 | <vbundi> oh
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| 16:38 | be great if that was in the man entry :P
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| 16:39 | aplay -l woo
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| 16:39 | awesome.. no soundcards found.
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| 16:41 | !docs
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| 16:41 | <ltspbot`> vbundi: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 16:42 | <vbundi> !lts.conf
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| 16:42 | <ltspbot`> vbundi: "lts.conf" :: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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| 16:45 | <alkisg> vbundi: check the amixer command
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| 16:45 | If you can do it with amixer, you can probably do it from lts.conf too
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| 16:45 | The code is in ltsp-init-common...
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| 16:46 | <vbundi> yeah I get 'amixer: Mixer attach default error: no such file or directory'
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| 16:46 | <vagrantc> yay. LXDE upstream wrote and committed to support LTSP_LOGOUT_ACTION :)
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| 16:46 | now i just need to figure out how to get them to work...
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| 16:47 | <alkisg> Great!
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| 16:47 | We need to bug sbalneav to push it to gnome-session too :)
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| 16:47 | vbundi: did you try with a root xterm?
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| 16:47 | Or are you trying with a user one?
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| 16:47 | <vbundi> on a side note, at one spot in the http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/en/man5/lts.conf.5.html it says local_apps = false by default, and lower down it says it's true by default
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| 16:49 | <alkisg> vagrantc: do you have any links for lxde?
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| 16:49 | (the logout action, I mean...:))
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| 16:49 | <vagrantc> i'm looking for them myself
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| 16:49 | <vbundi> alkisg: ah been using a user one...
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| 16:50 | <alkisg> !shell-screen
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| 16:50 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: "shell-screen" :: One way to get local root access to troubleshoot a thin client is to use a shell SCREEN: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using%20a%20shell%20SCREEN
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| 16:50 | <alkisg> vbundi, follow that one ^^
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| 16:50 | <vbundi> alkisg: I have set /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64/lts.conf to have SCREEN_02 = shell and I cannot switch to it
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| 16:51 | <alkisg> Is your client amd64?
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| 16:51 | <vbundi> alkisg: yes
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| 16:51 | <alkisg> Do you have [Default] on top of that file?
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| 16:51 | <vbundi> alkisg: not that I care about using amd64, I just happened to be using it at the time
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| 16:51 | alkisg: yes
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| 16:52 | <alkisg> Can you put your dhcpd.conf to pastebin?
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| 16:52 | /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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| 16:52 | <vbundi> k
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| 16:53 | http://pastebin.com/JLQYT4ew
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| 16:53 | <alkisg> vagrantc: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/491940 <== I got the C equivalent there
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| 16:54 | vbundi: distro/version?
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| 16:55 | <vbundi> lucid 10.04 x64
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| 16:55 | <vagrantc> alkisg: http://bugs.debian.org/564264
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| 16:55 | <alkisg> vbundi: can you also upload your lts.conf to pastebin?
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| 16:55 | <vbundi> yea
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| 16:56 | http://pastebin.com/RkYJWz3P
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| 16:58 | <alkisg> vagrantc: congrats man... what are you looking for now? their git?
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| 16:59 | vbundi: there's something wrong obviously... well you can unlock your root account to get proper local access to the client
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| 16:59 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i'm browsing http://lxde.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=lxde/lxsession;a=summary
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| 16:59 | <alkisg> (and then run ltsp-update-image)
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| 16:59 | <vagrantc> alkisg: but i get the impression it's not pushed there yet...
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| 16:59 | <alkisg> Yeah it must be in some private repo
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| 16:59 | *branch
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| 17:02 | <vagrantc> can't figure out how to pull from sourceforge git repositories...
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| 17:03 | ah, found it...
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| 17:03 | <vbundi> alkisg: weird... rebooting the terminal seems to have fixed it, this has happened to me a couple times now
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| 17:04 | <alkisg> vbundi: maybe you have another dhcp server around?
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| 17:04 | <vagrantc> hrm. doesn't work.
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| 17:04 | <alkisg> vbundi: try to make a symlink in the tftp directory, i386, which points to amd64
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| 17:05 | <vbundi> I do have another dhcp server... I didn't think that would mess with my screens though
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| 17:06 | <alkisg> vbundi: the ltsp scripts try to locate lts.conf from the tftp filename
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| 17:06 | So, if the other server doesn't send a boot filename, they try to locate it to the default location, /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 17:07 | <vbundi> ah, I was about to ask why the symlink... but that's good anyways.. then I don't have to edit two files
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| 17:09 | regardless... I doubt I'll be running these clients as amd64 in the long run, so I'll probably switch them back to i386 to save future hassle
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| 17:10 | <alkisg> (you might also want to disable the 2nd dhcp server, it just brings headaches... :))
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| 17:16 | <vbundi> alkisg: I am familiar with these 'headaches'... now trying to swtich back to SCREEN_07 I get nothing
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| 17:16 | <alkisg> You did manage to get a SCREEN_02?
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| 17:16 | <vbundi> yep but can't go back now
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| 17:17 | <alkisg> Maybe it isn't on vt7
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| 17:17 | There were some bugs in lucid
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| 17:17 | Try vt3, vt4 etc
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| 17:17 | <vbundi> ahh good call it got moved to vt1
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| 17:17 | SCREEN_07=ldm is specified though
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| 17:17 | <alkisg> Yeah that vt switching code is cursed
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| 17:18 | <vbundi> sweet
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| 17:18 | yeah I recall seeing talk about it the other day
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| 17:18 | <alkisg> Anyway, so try amixer on screen_02
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| 17:18 | If you get sound using that, you'll probably be able to do it from lts.conf afterwards
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| 17:19 | <vbundi> yeah I'm getting output from that
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| 17:19 | gotta figure out which device is what now... they aren't named the same in this vs the gnome-panel app
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| 17:20 | <alkisg> amixer controls, amixer scontrols etc
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| 17:20 | Those names are also used in lts.conf, so forget about the gnome mixer...
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| 17:21 | Anyway, it's late here, good night all...
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| 17:21 | <vbundi> yeah have a good one... thanks for the help
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