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Channel log from 9 March 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:01 | <zirconiumks> will there be any info available on the votes for the LTSP Logo Design Contest?
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| 05:09 | <muttley> hi guys...is it possible do video playback on LTSP client
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| 05:10 | <zirconiumks> yes it is
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| 05:11 | muttley, just do it like you would normally do it
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| 05:13 | <muttley> i can ... but it's very slowly!
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| 05:14 | <zirconiumks> muttley, of course, technically its streaming over a network
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| 05:14 | muttley, there is no way out of it, as long as I know
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| 05:14 | <muttley> LTSP server is: athlon xp 2800+ thin client is: pentium 350 Mhz lan: 100Mbit/s
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| 05:16 | are you sure is it streaming?
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| 05:17 | with streming pc client decode video...
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| 05:18 | <zirconiumks> as I understand, the client uses all server resources
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| 05:18 | so all the data has to be transferred over the network and displayed
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| 05:18 | <knipwim> when you stream over ssh, the client has to decode the video stream
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| 05:19 | you could check the bottleneck while running top on client and server while streaming the video
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| 05:23 | <alkisg_work> muttley: do you have LDM_DIRECTX=true in lts.conf?
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| 05:25 | <muttley> yes
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| 05:25 | <alkisg_work> Does your client support xv? What resolution is the video? What video card on the client?
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| 05:28 | <muttley> on my client have a matrox on agp but i dont' know which
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| 05:28 | on server ati radeon 7000
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| 05:28 | <alkisg_work> Run xvinfo on the client to see if it supports xv
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| 05:30 | <muttley> now i can't test...i'm at work and my thin client is at home
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| 05:31 | however on thin client i have 1360x766
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| 05:32 | <alkisg_work> If you try to play video full screen, and the client doesn't support xv, the network bandwidth won't be enough for 1366x768x24bppx20fps...
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| 05:32 | <muttley> xvinfo must run on reduced thin client os?
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| 05:32 | <alkisg_work> No, from a normal terminal
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| 05:33 | If you see "no adaptors present" then its not supported
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| 05:33 | <muttley> i have istalled ltsp packege from ubuntu repository
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| 05:34 | it's a "out of box" version
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| 05:34 | <alkisg_work> ok...
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| 05:35 | <muttley> excuseme, but i have to run "xvinfo" on ltsp server (this i can test now on ssh)
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| 05:36 | <alkisg_work> No, you have to run it on the client
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| 05:36 | When you return to your home, boot a client, logon normally, open a gnome-terminal, and run xvinfo.
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| 05:36 | xvinfo asks the xserver, and the xserver runs on your client - so it actually queries the capabilities of your matrox card.
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| 05:38 | <muttley> ...thank you for all!!
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| 05:39 | <muttley> i have try video playback always as thin client on my notebook (vaio ducal core with geforce 8400 M), and it's better of my 350 Mhz but not enough for see a film
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| 05:41 | <alkisg_work> The nv driver also doesn't support xv, so you would have to install the proprietary nvidia drivers on the chroot to properly see video with geforce...
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| 05:45 | <muttley> waooo...thank you
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| 05:46 | tomorrow i post xvinfo result....
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| 06:09 | <gfarbal2> Hi! I'm trying to add local devices support in our instalation of LTSP but... I can't with this :-( : Anybody can help me? We are using Edubuntu, I can mount one USB device in a thin client computer and I've fuse "insmod"ed in the kernel. Thanks!
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| 08:16 | <johnny> hi
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| 08:20 | <_UsUrPeR_> hello
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| 08:20 | <johnny> so.. dnsmasq stopped sending out option 12 (hostname) and i'm trying to figure out why
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| 08:21 | all my clients are being called ltsp now.. which is screwing my setup up :(
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| 08:21 | <_UsUrPeR_> ugh. What distro is that?
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| 08:23 | <johnny> ubuntu
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| 08:23 | i'm not sure how long the system was up from the last time i worked.. that is the problem
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| 08:25 | <russell_nash> Hi, I have recently tried Ubuntu Jaunty Jackalope owing to a Gnome bug that prevented ltsp working in hardy and Intrepid. The old bug seems to have gone, but I have a new one. here is the output of my .xsession-errors file. http://pastebin.com/m5dff0087 It is something to do with pulseaudio, I believe. I would appreciate it if anybody could shed some light on this.
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| 08:31 | <_UsUrPeR_> johnny: what works w/dnsmasq still?
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| 08:35 | <johnny> hmm?
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| 08:35 | russell_nash, don't think many people have tried with jaunty
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| 08:36 | _UsUrPeR_, it seems to send everything but hostname
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| 08:37 | <_UsUrPeR_> russell_nash: I am interested in knowing what bug was preventing your use of 8.04 and 8.10.
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| 08:39 | <johnny> i'm not sure what would stop it from sending hostname .. my config looks fine
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| 08:40 | <russell_nash> yes, I am sure you are right, I would normally avoid pre release versions, but after 6 months devoid of working ltsp I thought I would try. the bug, as far as I can tell, was related to this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/232532
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| 08:42 | <russell_nash> what happened originally was that when I logged into the client on Hardy was that I just got a mouse pointer, blank screen then gnome settings daemon error. I spent some time on here and someone tried very hard to help me, checking my settings etc., seems it was a gnome bug.
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| 08:43 | <Gadi> russell_nash: it was actually mostly our fault
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| 08:43 | not gnome's
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| 08:44 | <russell_nash> oh right, how so?
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| 08:44 | <Gadi> we used to not terminate sessions properly, until we discovered that we needed to run Xsession like this:
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| 08:45 | <Gadi> /etc/X11/Xsession < /dev/null >/dev/null
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| 08:45 | that seemed to clean things up a great deal
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| 08:45 | because processes would not dissociate
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| 08:46 | I would recommend you use intrepid, and if you want latest upstream, include:
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| 08:46 | deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/stgraber/ppa/ubuntu intrepid main
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| 08:46 | in your sources.list
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| 08:46 | (server and client)
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| 08:46 | then, in addition to the above bug fix, you can set:
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| 08:46 | LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION=True
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| 08:47 | which will kill off old user sessions when they log in
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| 08:47 | if the kids simply pull the plug and don't log out, you may have lingering procs, but only until sshd realizes the connection is gone and then it should clean itself up
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| 08:49 | <alkisg> The only process I frequently see not being killed in Intrepid is "/usr/lib/evolution/evolution-data-server-2.26"...
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| 08:50 | <russell_nash> thanks for the help, I tried Intrepid but it resulted in the same thing, but that was about 2 months go now. I will note down the info you gave me, but I think I will wait here with intrepid, I am bit tired of all the reinstalls, swapping between hardy, intrepid, gutsy (wont install, doesn't like my new graphics card) and back to hardy, now jaunty. However, thanks for the help. :-)
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| 08:51 | <Gadi> well, what is the jaunty issue?
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| 08:51 | is it the same?
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| 08:51 | <johnny> Gadi, does lts.conf [mac] mac address care about upper or lowercase letters?
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| 08:51 | <Gadi> johnny: I don't think so
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| 08:52 | but not 100%
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| 08:54 | <Gadi> johnny: I know for sure all caps works
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| 08:54 | <russell_nash> the jaunty issue is that on login the mouse pointer whizzes round as though it is trying to load something, but it never stops, unable to load it the problem is here http://pastebin.com/m5dff0087
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| 08:54 | <johnny> russell_nash, we'll kick the maintainers butt into action :)
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| 08:54 | <Gadi> johnny: actually, looks like both work
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| 08:54 | <johnny> russell_nash, jk.. but he tried to get the most code in
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| 08:54 | working or not
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| 08:55 | before the freeze
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| 08:55 | so watch for falling rocks and all
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| 08:55 | the bugs are on purpose :)
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| 08:56 | <Gadi> russell_nash: try disabling gnome's mouse and keyboard modules in gnome session
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| 08:56 | you can do it in gconf-editor
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| 08:57 | ah: /apps/gnome-settings-daemon/plugins/mouse
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| 08:58 | and: /apps/gnome-settings-daemon/plugins/keyboard
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| 08:58 | and see if that helps
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| 08:59 | <ogra> russell_nash, your paste doesnt show any problem at all, thats a std. xsession-errors entry as you have it on all jaunty systems
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| 09:00 | <russell_nash> You mean that isn't an error, that is supposed to be in there?
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| 09:00 | I will try the gconf settings you suggest
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| 09:01 | <ogra> right, http://paste.ubuntu.com/128768/ is the start of .xsession-errors on my laptop ...
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| 09:01 | (same on a desktop here)
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| 09:02 | thats std. babbling of pulseaudio
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| 09:02 | <russell_nash> ok,thanks, that is useful to know, so I have no errors, but it still doesn't work :-)
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| 09:03 | I will fire up my client now that I have changed the gconf settings, I will report back later
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| 09:20 | <russell_nash> unfortunately, I just get the spinning circle mouse pointer again on my client
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| 09:23 | <russell_nash> one thing that I missed on my .xsession-errors post earlier was that it says this at the bottom of it: Failure: Module initalization failed
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| 09:27 | <Gadi> russell_nash: you should pastebot your entire .xsession-errors file
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| 09:28 | !pastebot
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| 09:28 | <ltspbot> Gadi: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 09:28 | <Gadi> otherwise, we'll just keep guessing all day
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| 09:28 | :)
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| 09:28 | also, make sure that:
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| 09:29 | 1. The same user is not logged in elsewhere (even on the server)
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| 09:29 | <russell_nash> here it is http://pastebin.com/m3ff93a0b
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| 09:29 | <Gadi> 2. Before you log in, do a : pkill -9 -u <username>
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| 09:29 | and make sure there are no processes
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| 09:30 | thats the entire file?
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| 09:30 | <russell_nash> yes, entire
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| 09:31 | <Gadi> hmm, on the server, can you: sudo mv /var/log/Xorg.0.log /var/log/Xorg.0.log.bak
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| 09:31 | and log in a gain?
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| 09:31 | *again
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| 09:40 | <rjune> !g
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| 09:40 | <ltspbot> rjune: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:41 | <russell_nash> ok i did that, no change to results
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| 09:45 | <ogra> did you try to log in locally on the servers gdm with that user ?
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| 09:45 | just to make sure everything is ok
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| 09:45 | <Gadi> hey, rjune
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| 09:45 | <Gadi> russell_nash: sorry - thought it might have been compiz-related
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| 09:48 | <russell_nash> i dont have compiz enabled at the moment on the server or on the client, no re: lgggin locally on serever gdm
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| 09:59 | <russell_nash> Anyway, thanks for your help, I will return when Jaunty has "matured" a bit :-)
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| 10:00 | <stgraber> vagrantc: about Debian's ltspfs, when was it tagged ? I'll need the change I commited yesterday for ubuntu otherwise it'll break with our udev.
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| 10:01 | <vagrantc> stgraber: it's your 0.5.9 tarball, so if you've got other changes planned ... probably no sense in syncing then
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| 10:01 | stgraber: but ithink what's in unstable now would be syncable with what you have in ubuntu now
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| 10:02 | <stgraber> I'll tag a new one now to include the fix for our udev
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| 10:02 | indeed but what we currently have in Ubuntu is broken :)
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| 10:02 | <ogra> stgraber, oh, you found the issue ?
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| 10:04 | <stgraber> ogra: probably, I still have an issue with gnome not showing the mount points in /media but that's not jaunty specific and more likely to be linked to the way I install ubuntu for my customers
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| 10:04 | ogra: basically ltspfs failed when exporting udev's environment as it contained a space in a variable value
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| 10:04 | <ogra> stgraber, talk to pitti, afaik some of the fuse handling changed, i'm not sure he made sure it still works with remote connections
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| 10:12 | <stgraber> ogra: yeah but I also get that on Intrepid, that's why I'm suspecting it to be my fault :) (only half of my setup show the bug)
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| 10:16 | <stgraber> vagrantc: do you have a .orig.tar.gz for 5.1.64 ?
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| 10:16 | <cyberorg> hi guys, what is dm-snapshot? can it be used for ltsp images?
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| 10:17 | <vagrantc> stgraber: any recent debian mirror should
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| 10:18 | <vagrantc> hrm. apparently, that's not ftp.us.debian.org ...
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| 10:19 | stgraber: http://debian.osuosl.org/debian/pool/main/l/ltsp/ltsp_5.1.64-1.dsc
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| 10:21 | <cyberorg> stgraber, i keep getting "this client is not configured" dialog box in the client when booting, how do i get rid of it?
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| 10:22 | this is from cluster thing
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| 10:25 | <stgraber> cyberorg: just create a node and move your clients into it
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| 10:25 | cyberorg: the message appear if they are in the root node
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| 10:25 | <vagrantc> cyberorg: so, i'm applying your nomad patch without the ~/.ltspvars bit ... that'll at least reduce your diff
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| 10:26 | <cyberorg> vagrantc, ok :)
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| 10:26 | * ogra wonders if you cant just export the ~/.ltspvars contents on session startup so you dont need the file | |
| 10:27 | <ogra> (like we do with PULSE_SERVER etc)
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| 10:27 | <cyberorg> stgraber, cluster packages would be part of default ltsp images, so not every one would have clustered servers, can we just disable the dialog without removing packages or creating a cluster?
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| 10:28 | ogra, no, with rdesktop exported variables don't work
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| 10:29 | <vagrantc> cyberorg: although the '-s' argument should probably be "-s", ldm.xsession, ldm.session " "
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| 10:30 | <cyberorg> vagrantc, that shows up like this: desktop -z -f -u geeko -p XXXXXX -s /usr/bin/startkde 10.0.0.254
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| 10:30 | <stgraber> cyberorg: if you don't have ltsp-cluster you won't have the message
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| 10:30 | cyberorg: at least it's how it's supposed to work, no idea how your stuff works though
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| 10:30 | <vagrantc> cyberorg: yes, but the Xsession file should show up first
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| 10:31 | <cyberorg> ah right, not sure if -s takes two commands
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| 10:31 | <vagrantc> cyberorg: it should do rdesktop -z -f -u foo -p XXXX -s "/etc/X11/Xsession startkde" 10.0.0.254
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| 10:31 | otherwise we'll re-implement a bug i was very happy to have fixed :)
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| 10:32 | <cyberorg> let me try and see if rdesktop is happy with it :)
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| 10:32 | <vagrantc> you'll probably have to quote it or some such
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| 10:34 | <cyberorg> tried -s "/etc/X11/xdm/Xsession startkde" 10.0.0.254, it didnt complain, but the bug we have is that it just starts default session
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| 10:38 | there is a new bug opened for dropping aufs and using dm-snapshot for opensuse 11.2, so not sure how it will impact us :(
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| 10:38 | <vagrantc> i think fedora at least tried to use dm-snapshot with ltsp
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| 10:39 | <cyberorg> did it work?
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| 10:40 | * vagrantc doesn't use fedora | |
| 10:40 | <cyberorg> we might have to use it soon if aufs goes
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| 10:41 | ogra, what is ubuntu planning, keeping aufs?
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| 10:41 | <vagrantc> cyberorg: what's happening to aufs?
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| 10:41 | * vagrantc can't wait for yaufs | |
| 10:41 | <cyberorg> vagrantc, it seems it is a lot of work to keep it building/working with newer kernels
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| 10:41 | :)
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| 10:42 | that would be dm-snapshot
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| 10:42 | <laga> cyberorg: what about aufs2? the aufs guy seems rather responsive
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| 10:43 | <cyberorg> laga, https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=483444
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| 10:43 | <vagrantc> over the years i've seen translucencyfs, overlayfs, ovlfs, unionfs and aufs ... and they all eventually fail to keep up with the kernel...
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| 10:43 | <dberkholz> that's the nice thing about fuse ...
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| 10:44 | <vagrantc> yeah, seem slike a fuse based one might actually last a while
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| 10:44 | funionfs?
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| 10:48 | <cyberorg> stgraber, how does client know if ltsp-cluster is there or not?
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| 10:48 | if the cluster packages are installed on the server does it think cluster is present?
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| 10:49 | <stgraber> cyberorg: it checks for /etc/ltsp/getltscfg-cluster.conf
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| 10:49 | in the chroot
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| 10:49 | <cyberorg> ok, so i just have to remove that, got it
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| 11:17 | <johnny> do people understand why the unionfs kernel stuff is still such an issue?
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| 11:17 | and why it is hard to keep up?
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| 11:18 | from my own readings.. the real problem.. is that folks like al viro want to fix this in the kernel vfs itself.. and not some thing on top of it
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| 11:18 | union mounts i think is what they called it
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| 11:19 | which is why none of these solutions aufs,unionfs.. are actually in the mainline kernel
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| 11:24 | <vagrantc> cyberorg: the nomad patch works, although session selection doesn't seem to do anything for me either.
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| 11:25 | <cyberorg> vagrantc, will let you know when i hear something on the bug i've filed
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| 11:26 | thanks for adding the patch :)
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| 11:26 | <vagrantc> cyberorg: i think i'll leave the session selection bit out as well, since it doesn't actually seem to work...
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| 11:27 | <cyberorg> vagrantc, leaving it in does not harm either, at least it will work when xrdp starts working without us having to repatch ldm?
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| 11:29 | <vagrantc> cyberorg: i'll actually have to figure out quoted arguments to re-write it, though :)
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| 11:29 | <cyberorg> ok :)
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| 11:34 | <cyberorg> vagrantc, any suggestion how we can handle .ltspvars?
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| 11:35 | we can look at doing a tmpfs mount and write variable there and clean up after session ends
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| 11:35 | <vagrantc> you really get into issues with persistant sessions and that stuff
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| 11:35 | cyberorg: if you could pass variables with the -s argument ...
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| 11:36 | though it's already obviously broken
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| 11:37 | <cyberorg> we run this script to find out if the session is remote then only .ltspfvars are read: http://pastebin.com/d5b5df62d
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| 11:37 | passing variables at rdesktop commandline would not be possible, i checked with our nomad developer
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| 11:41 | <Gadi> cyberorg: is there no environment variable within the session from which to get the client IP?
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| 11:42 | <cyberorg> Gadi, unfortunately none
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| 11:42 | <Gadi> I guess the nomad developers never intend to have a useful log
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| 11:42 | :)
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| 11:42 | <cyberorg> not in logs, not in xprop, nowhere
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| 11:42 | <Gadi> most admns would like to know from where the server is accessed
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| 11:44 | how does console kit know?
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| 11:45 | *it* must have checked something to know that it is not local
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| 11:45 | <cyberorg> Gadi, see the script ^^
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| 11:45 | <Gadi> I did
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| 11:46 | you simply ask console kit
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| 11:46 | so, how does console kit know?
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| 11:46 | <cyberorg> just this isLocal
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| 11:46 | <Gadi> right
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| 11:46 | it sets isLocal
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| 11:46 | so how did it know how to set it?
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| 11:48 | <cyberorg> Gadi, technically the session is running locally on Xdmx server, client just connects to that X server
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| 11:49 | <Gadi> so, perhaps xdmx knows from where you connected
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| 11:52 | <vagrantc> cyberorg: ok, i added support for Xsession, presuming it someday gets fixed in xrdp
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| 11:52 | <cyberorg> Gadi, http://pastebin.com/d7f99deda is in /var/log/xrdp-sesman.log
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| 11:52 | no ip
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| 11:56 | <Selveste1> Hey Im in a dilemma here, cause my boss wants all the desktops to have net-boot with Ubuntu cause that what he knows to, but all the server is debian ore windows 2k3 servers :S and I can't get ltsp to run an ubuntu client on the debian server - it shoot be enough to type - "ltsp-build-client --dist XXXX --mirror XXXXXXXXX right ?"
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| 11:57 | on a ubuntu host
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| 11:57 | and then move the image to the debian server
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| 11:57 | <johnny> no.. cuz then you'll just get debian
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| 11:57 | all the apps run on the server
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| 11:58 | if you want ubuntu ltsp.. you need an ubuntu server
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| 11:58 | unless you're trying to do fatclients or something..
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| 11:59 | <Selveste1> so its not possible to make an "fat-client" running ubuntu on a debian server then ?
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| 11:59 | <johnny> oh.. that might be true.. but you'd need the fat client script
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| 11:59 | that isn't included in ltsp yet
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| 11:59 | your terminals will need lots of ram atho
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| 11:59 | like between 256 and 512
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| 12:00 | <Selveste1> ahh, all the client have 1gb of ram, ore more
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| 12:00 | <johnny> ah
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| 12:00 | then yes.. you could just get the fat client script.. build it on ubuntu and copy it over
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| 12:00 | and then make debian serve up the image
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| 12:01 | <Selveste1> Otherwise I just have to install a ubuntu server in an Xen on the debian server - cause some of the clients might have to be thin also :) thanx allot :) I will look into install a ubuntu server then :)
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| 12:02 | <alkisg> stgraber, a regression in Jaunty: I installed ltsp-server normally with the alternate CD but /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/default/locale wasn't created (as it was with 8.10) so ldm wasn't translated. When I manually copied the file and updated the image everything was OK. (Should I file a bug/send you a mail or something to remind you?)
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| 12:02 | <cyberorg> vagrantc, hopefully it will be fixed soon :)
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| 12:20 | <alkisg> What's the correct way to get the ldm "Preferences" button to be localized? I used to do `apt-get install language-pack-gnome-el` in the chroot, but in Jaunty it installs gtk20.mo in "locale-langpack" instead of "locale" and it doesn't work...
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| 12:24 | <vagrantc> Selveste1: i've got debian ltsp thin clients connecting to an ubuntu server running under xen at freegeek. works pretty good. but if you want fat clients, you'll need to generate the image on an ubuntu server, like johnny suggested
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| 12:39 | <Selveste1> vagrantc - Thanx for that input :) I will install an Ubuntu server in Xen then, for the thin clients, and make the fatclient image on an (edu)ubuntu server - haven't decided yet :P
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| 12:40 | <stgraber> alkisg: hmm, I'll have a look at it, does it work if you create it with --locale ?
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| 12:42 | <Selveste1> BTW can I make the Image on my already running Ubuntu desktop 8.10 - if I install ltsp on it ?
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| 12:42 | <johnny> sure
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| 12:43 | <Selveste1> nice ^^ then that's what I will do then :) Now I only have to install Ubuntu server in Xen then :)
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| 12:47 | <Gadi> vagrantc: do you run a different default shell than ubuntu?
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| 12:47 | *intrepid
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| 12:47 | <alkisg> stgraber, in ltsp-build-client? Erm, that takes hours... :(
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| 12:47 | <Gadi> in the chroot?
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| 12:48 | vagrantc: I am wondering why you needed to delete the curly braces from the sound volume code
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| 12:55 | <alkisg> I want to have a global .wine directory, and a virtual .wine directory for each user that is initialized with the global .wine contents, and is discarted when the user logs out. What do I need? tmpfs + aufs?
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| 12:59 | <evilx> Anyone use LTSP on gentoo?
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| 12:59 | <johnny> i sorta do
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| 12:59 | hehe
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| 13:00 | <evilx> I am told NBP to large
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| 13:00 | <johnny> huh?
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| 13:00 | wtf is nbp ?
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| 13:00 | <evilx> I guess the 2.7mb file to large to fit in rom
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| 13:01 | <johnny> huh?
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| 13:01 | <evilx> the vmlinuz file it grab using root-path on dhcp server
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| 13:01 | <johnny> it should be a zipped kernel.. not straight vmlinuz
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| 13:01 | bzipped kernel actually..
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| 13:02 | <evilx> (LTSP Path Options)
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| 13:02 | option root-path "192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp-4.1/i386";
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| 13:02 | filename "/lts/vmlinuz-2.4.26-ltsp-2";
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| 13:03 | http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/ltsp.xml
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| 13:04 | <johnny> oh.. that's ltsp4.2 for gentoo
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| 13:04 | i know nothing of that
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| 13:04 | only ltsp5
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| 13:04 | <evilx> is there ltsp5 for gentoo?
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| 13:04 | <dberkholz> i thought we masked and removed that
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| 13:04 | <johnny> yes , it's in an overlay
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| 13:04 | dberkholz, not removed yet i think
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| 13:04 | <dberkholz> guess just masked.
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| 13:04 | * johnny goes to add iso-code dep to ldm | |
| 13:04 | <evilx> what overlay, so I can install it
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| 13:05 | <johnny> evilx, gimme a minute to fix a dep
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| 13:05 | <evilx> ok thanks
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| 13:05 | ill install layman
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| 13:05 | <johnny> layman with the git useflag
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| 13:05 | <evilx> no such useflag
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| 13:06 | <johnny> sure loooks like it to me..
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| 13:06 | eix layman
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| 13:06 | [I] app-portage/layman
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| 13:06 | Available versions: 1.1.1 ~1.1.1-r1 ~1.2.0-r1 ~1.2.2 ~1.2.3 {git subversion test}
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| 13:08 | <evilx> not showing up here
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| 13:08 | maybe it a subversion
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| 13:08 | <johnny> no
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| 13:08 | maybe upgrade your layman
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| 13:08 | <evilx> idk, im installing eix to see righ tn ow 1.1.1 had no useflag git
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| 13:09 | <johnny> ah.. ltsp-server requires a newer version of layman.. but you need a newer version of layman to get it.. oops :)
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| 13:09 | nothing i can do about that
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| 13:09 | upgrade layman
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| 13:09 | <evilx> which version the others are masked
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| 13:10 | <stgraber> ogra: saw that post on -devel ?
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| 13:10 | <evilx> ill install 1.2.3
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| 13:10 | <stgraber> ogra: btw, we've got the new ldm background uploaded.
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| 13:12 | <evilx> ok im compiling now with git
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| 13:12 | <johnny> dberkholz, i'm not gaining any traction from the genkernel folks. they don't seem to care about what anybody else wants
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| 13:13 | <evilx> i need to install 31 packages, ill be back in a bit
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| 13:13 | <johnny> or needs for that matter..
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| 13:18 | dberkholz, my gentoo environment isn't exactly working properly atm.. something is going on with the nic.. can you add iso-codes dep to ldm for me?
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| 13:18 | <dberkholz> johnny: can you ping me later tonight?
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| 13:19 | otherwise i'll just try to remember.
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| 13:19 | day job stuff now
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| 13:19 | <johnny> sure
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| 13:36 | <epsas> hi, good morning
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| 13:36 | so... anybody using LTSP5 with IPv6?
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| 13:36 | i am thinking of making the switch at my site
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| 13:36 | <trusiad> Hi everyone
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| 13:39 | <epsas> and - has there been any movement/activity on using clients as nodes in a distributed/parallel computing environment?
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| 13:40 | <Lumiere> epsas: you shouldn't need IPv6... LTSP works best on a private network anyways (all internet traffic comes from the server)
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| 13:41 | <johnny> need is one thing...
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| 13:41 | some people actually would like to use ipv6.. for other reasons
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| 13:41 | <Lumiere> johnny: such as?
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| 13:41 | <johnny> such as .. it is awesome... :)
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| 13:41 | read the spec :>)
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| 13:41 | <trusiad> I am wondering about using ltsp in a school network
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| 13:42 | but they're using remote profiles on another samba server
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| 13:42 | would that be possible ?
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| 13:42 | <johnny> probably
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| 13:42 | <trusiad> one server with the remote accounts, and another with ltsp ?
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| 13:43 | <johnny> sure
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| 13:43 | i just don't know how to personally do it..
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| 13:43 | <trusiad> do you know any good docs ?
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| 13:43 | <Lumiere> trusiad: most people I know about run the ltsp clients on a private network
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| 13:43 | <johnny> people here probably do
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| 13:43 | <Lumiere> so the ltsp server would be on the samba server network
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| 13:43 | <johnny> i don't think that has anything to do with it
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| 13:43 | <Lumiere> and all the clients are on a small switch that connects to ltsp
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| 13:43 | <evilx> johnny, what is that layover url?
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| 13:43 | <Lumiere> trusiad: then you can ignore the samba server entirely
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| 13:44 | unless you need the mounts
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| 13:44 | <johnny> evilx, you just need to fllow layman instructions and then layman -a ltsp
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| 13:44 | <Lumiere> then you just need to figure out how to use smbmount effectively
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| 13:44 | <trusiad> no need for it anymore ?
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| 13:44 | <johnny> evilx, but.. i'd suggest waiting til tomorrow
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| 13:44 | <trusiad> I mean the samba server ?
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| 13:44 | <johnny> evilx, there's a problem in the ldm script atm, that i cannot push a fix for atm..
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| 13:44 | <trusiad> with the 300+ accounts ?
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| 13:45 | <evilx> but, dont I need to know the source url?
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| 13:45 | <johnny> no.. just layman -a ltsp
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| 13:45 | <trusiad> the ting is there would be two kind of clients
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| 13:45 | <evilx> doesnt exist
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| 13:45 | <johnny> after following layman setup instructions
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| 13:45 | <trusiad> the thing
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| 13:45 | <trusiad> windows 'normal' clients and thin clients
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| 13:45 | non windows
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| 13:46 | what a mess
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| 13:46 | I make sense ?
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| 13:48 | <evilx> johnny, I have the source in make.conf, but still wont layman -a ltsp
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| 13:48 | <Selveste1> Is it possible to make an ltsp-cluster ore ltsp-loadbalance ? cause I'm at a school there have to buy allot of new workstations, ore convert those the have to thin/fat clients, and I'm not sure if the server can cope with all 300+ workstations starting at the same time
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| 13:48 | <evilx> because that make.conf doesnt exist, bah
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| 13:48 | <nicros> Selveste1 : https://wiki.stgraber.org/LTSP-Cluster
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| 13:51 | <johnny> evilx, and did you layman -S ?
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| 13:51 | <evilx> nah
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| 13:51 | <epsas> Lumiere - I want ipv6 for security
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| 13:51 | <evilx> I fixed that issue, but working on something new
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| 13:51 | <epsas> and for ease of maintenance
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| 13:54 | <Lumiere> epsas: there is nothing to be gained security wise or maintenance wise from IPv6 for LTSP
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| 13:55 | epsas: unless things changed substantially since I looked last
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| 13:55 | <ogra> stgraber, oh, he seems to have read the ancient ThinClientHowto, would be great if that could be removed at some point and just point to Lns' pages
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| 13:55 | <epsas> Lumiere - i am looking for people who have experience implementing ltsp in an IPv6 network environment
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| 13:56 | Lumiere - I am sure that every network has different needs. I need security and ease of maintenance =)
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| 13:56 | <Lumiere> epsas: and I am trying to say it is highly unlikely that anyone does
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| 13:56 | <epsas> Lumiere - why would you try to say that? =)
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| 13:56 | <Lumiere> epsas: personal experience and the fact that very few people in general use IPv6 still
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| 13:57 | <epsas> ahh, well that shouldn't affect me so much
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| 13:57 | <Lns> ogra: which TC howto is outdated? Also while we're on the subject, can I get more access to the wiki (such as rename pages access) ? Who should I ask for that?
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| 13:57 | <Lumiere> epsas: ogra can correct me... but most people who use LTSP go clients -> server -> network
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| 13:57 | <epsas> so here is the thing -- the ltsp server would be the ipv6 router for the thin clients -- thus managing the dhcp -- it should be straightforward
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| 13:57 | <ogra> Lumiere, well, actually its only server->network :)
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| 13:58 | the clients are only additional X/kbd/mouse etc
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| 13:58 | <Lumiere> ogra: yes cause ( clients -> server ) are all internal normally
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| 13:58 | <ogra> right
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| 13:58 | <Lumiere> epsas: I still don't get your arguement for security and ease of maintenance
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| 13:59 | <epsas> Lumiere - I wasn't making an argument for other people to switch.
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| 13:59 | <ogra> Lns, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ThinClientHowto that needs to vanish or be redirected to UbuntuLTSP ... the page is actually for breezy
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| 13:59 | <Lumiere> epsas: and I am trying to understand your choice so that I can answer with something other then it's not something to worry about
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| 13:59 | <ogra> Lns, there is a note at the top but i dont think the person mailing ubuntu-devel actually saw it
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| 13:59 | <Lumiere> ogra: can't you do that?
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| 14:00 | <ogra> not atm and surely not this week
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| 14:00 | i'm up to my ears in arms :)
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| 14:01 | <Lumiere> ogra: I understand
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| 14:01 | * ogra has to finish getting new ARM HW support for a brandnew board going before alpha6 on thursday | |
| 14:02 | <Lumiere> eww
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| 14:02 | <Lns> ogra: gotcha.
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| 14:02 | <ogra> http://news.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/0,1000000091,39617753,00.htm
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| 14:03 | look at the nettops, the perfect thin client :)
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| 14:04 | <Lns> ogra: =p you love that vid don't you ;) is that what you're working on? I would SO love one of those.
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| 14:04 | <ogra> not directly ...
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| 14:04 | i'm working on something similar ...
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| 14:05 | <ogra> Lns, yeah, i love that video and specifically the nettop he shows at the end (not the netbooks)
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| 14:05 | <Lns> ah
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| 14:06 | ogra: ok added some info at the top of that ThinClientHowto w/a link to the current community wiki
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| 14:07 | <evilx> johnny, git.overlays.gentoo.org[0: 66.219.59.40]: errno=Network is unreachable
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| 14:07 | <epsas> when is the next ltsp hackathon?
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| 14:12 | <johnny> evilx, wait til it comes back then
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| 14:26 | <vagrantc> Gadi: yeah, the volume setting code broke the way you had it. debian still uses bash as /bin/sh by default.
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| 14:27 | Gadi: i hope it doesn't break with dash the way i re-wrote it
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| 14:27 | Gadi: it seemed much easier to read without the extra {} anyways
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| 14:46 | <vagrantc> Gadi: i'll test with /bin/sh -> dash to make sure it still works
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| 14:48 | <vagrantc> well, didn't get that far. dash's [ -w / ] doesn't apparently correctly return weather a filesystem is really writeable...
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| 14:55 | Gadi: the volume setting code works with dash.
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| 14:57 | <xorITor> what do i need to set to get an nvidia card to use higher than 800x600?
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| 14:58 | <vagrantc> !release
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| 14:58 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "release" is please mention the linux distro and release you're using :)
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| 14:59 | <xorITor> sorry ... fedora 10
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| 15:00 | <xorITor> ltsp 5.1.58
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| 15:05 | <RiXtEr> Heya ltspers!
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| 15:06 | !erlease fedora 10
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| 15:06 | <ltspbot> RiXtEr: Error: "erlease" is not a valid command.
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| 15:06 | <RiXtEr> !release fedora 10
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| 15:06 | <ltspbot> RiXtEr: Error: "release" is not a valid command.
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| 15:08 | <RiXtEr> anyone able to help me with a non-ltsp nfs issue?
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| 15:10 | <alkisg> xorITor: it probably doesn't detect your monitor properly... if you don't want to go to the trouble of installing the proprietary nvidia drivers to the chroot, I think you could set X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH in lts.conf to the correct values for your monitor.
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| 15:21 | <xorITor> alkisg, thx a ton i will try that
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| 15:24 | <alkisg> Lns, I just compiled a floppy and a cd image based on grub and a modified version of gpxe that supports scripting. It's suitable for networks with limited or no access to the dhcp server (or no dhcp server at all). Can I create an ubuntu wiki page for this and put a link to my site for a direct download?
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| 15:29 | <Lns> alkisg: you don't have to ask me :)
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| 15:29 | go for it, thanks for the work!!
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| 15:29 | <alkisg> OK... I just didn't happen to see any article with hotlinking. Ty!
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| 15:45 | <EAG> hello, I get the error "Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied." when I connect e.g. USB-disks to the LTSP-server
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| 15:46 | <EAG> any ideas?
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| 15:46 | <laga> no
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| 15:46 | sorry, wrong window
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| 15:47 | <EAG> uh?
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| 15:47 | ah
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| 15:47 | never mind..
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| 15:50 | <Lns> EAG: i get those errors too
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| 15:50 | lemme guess, ubuntu hardy?
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| 15:50 | <EAG> yup
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| 15:50 | <Lns> yeah..i have a screenshot of it and everything, just hadn't gotten around to filing a bug report. not sure how muc hwill be done for it though since it's hardy
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| 15:51 | <EAG> yeah, I havent really cared about it either
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| 15:51 | <Lns> just annoying as $&@$ is all
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| 15:51 | <EAG> I suppose I will upgrade soon anyway so
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| 15:51 | mm
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| 15:56 | <Lns> EAG: how many clients on your network?
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| 15:56 | <EAG> Lns: only one :)
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| 15:57 | <Lns> haha
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| 15:57 | so little impact if things go wrong ;)
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| 15:57 | <EAG> hehe yup
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| 15:57 | * vagrantc fires off a bunch of requests for updated ldm translations | |
| 16:01 | <knipwim> i made a dutch translation, but is is still awaiting approval in the ltsp-developer mailing list
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| 16:02 | <vagrantc> knipwim: is it reviewed by a dutch translation team?
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| 16:03 | <knipwim> i guess not
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| 16:03 | i'm dutch :)
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| 16:05 | <vagrantc> knipwim: which linux distro do you work with most?
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| 16:05 | <knipwim> gentoo
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| 16:05 | <vagrantc> johnny, dberkholz: does gentoo have any translation team infrastructure?
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| 16:05 | <johnny> translation in what regard?
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| 16:06 | upstream software is usually handled by upstream :)
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| 16:06 | <dberkholz> not really for software, but for website/newsletter stuff we do have people
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| 16:06 | <johnny> yes.. gentoo has translation teams for internal projects
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| 16:06 | but we don't have alot of those..
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| 16:07 | <vagrantc> well, the debian translation teams are generally happy to review translations for upstream software ... just wondering what the conventions are for other distros
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| 16:08 | <johnny> oh.. nah.. we don't really do that
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| 16:08 | we no goliath like debian
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| 16:09 | <knipwim> vagrantc: so, all your other ldm translations are reviewed by distros?
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| 16:10 | before they get added to upstream
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| 16:11 | <alkisg> vagrantc: wow, not only an email notification, but an attached el.po as well? I'm impressed!!! :)
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| 16:11 | (will do it tomorrow - gn everyone)
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| 16:12 | <vagrantc> knipwim: not all, but most
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| 16:12 | alkisg: heh. there's some nice tools that make such mass-mailings easier :)
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| 17:14 | <ninou> hi
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| 17:15 | <Lns> hi.
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| 17:16 | <ninou> with ltsp under debian lenny, sometimes i have a nfsmount: need a path. is it a known issue ?
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| 17:31 | <vagrantc> if ninou would stay around long enough to repond...
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| 18:29 | <jammcq> hello friends
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| 18:30 | <vagrantc> jammcq: greetings!
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| 18:30 | <jammcq> hey
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| 18:31 | <vagrantc> jammcq: ltsp-developer might get a modest flood of mails needing moderation ... i posted a request for updated translations ... i don't know who all the moderators are
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| 18:31 | <jammcq> yeah, I saw that
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| 18:31 | mike collins does all the mail moderating
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| 18:31 | 'chupicabra'
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| 18:32 | he should have gotten the email that you sent
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| 18:34 | <vagrantc> cool
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| 18:43 | <Ryan52> did that dutch dude ever mail us his translation?
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| 18:43 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: said they were stuck in moderation...
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| 18:44 | it was a new translation, rather than an update ... the timing was pure coincedence
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