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04:39 | <bakytn> Hello! After the last ltsp-update-image and ltsp-update-kernels My thing clients are showing (initramfs) prompt and "Error: failed to connect to NBD server <ip>:2000"
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04:42 | it was working fine for couple of months
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04:45 | !initramfs
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04:45 | <ltsp> bakytn: Error: "initramfs" is not a valid command.
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04:45 | <bakytn> !echo initramfs
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04:45 | <ltsp> initramfs
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06:22 | <bakytn> hey there! The stupid question....but please answer :D With NBD we have the .img file right which is then mounted to the remote machine (the client). The client should download that whole image?
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06:23 | because my .img file is now 2Gb's which is...large actually
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06:23 | and clients are loaded very long (more than 5 minutes)
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06:23 | <alkisg> No, it's like having a network usb disk
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06:23 | <bakytn> alkisg, hi! Thanks!
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06:23 | <alkisg> The client only reads the "sectors" it needs
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06:23 | <bakytn> got it!
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06:23 | <alkisg> So the network disk can be many times bigger than the client RAM
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06:23 | ok :)
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06:24 | If you have fat clients, try re-enabling nbd compression, it helps a lot
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06:24 | I wrote about it in the fat clients wiki page
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06:24 | <bakytn> I have thin clients but thanks!
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06:24 | <alkisg> Thin clients with 2 gb image?
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06:25 | <bakytn> :D
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06:25 | I don't know why it's so large right now
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06:25 | <alkisg> Do you have a lot of localapps?
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06:25 | Or it's just 10 old kernels there? :D
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06:25 | NBD compression will lower boot times in your case too.
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06:25 | <bakytn> I have about 10 localapps
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06:26 | <alkisg> Right, so check the fat client page on how to enable nbd compression
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06:26 | !fatclients
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06:26 | <ltsp> alkisg: fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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06:26 | <alkisg> That should about half your boot time...
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06:26 | <bakytn> btw! if I set multiple SCREEN_XX it would mount nbd as many as I have those screens?
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06:26 | <alkisg> No, just once
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06:26 | <bakytn> alkisg, I have a 1Ghz CPU (ARM) with 1Gb ram
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06:27 | and diskless
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06:27 | the FatClient would be okay for these deivces?
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06:27 | <alkisg> Do you run firefox as a localapp? Is it ok?
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06:27 | <bakytn> it was o.k.
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06:27 | <alkisg> Then yes :)
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06:27 | <bakytn> last time I tested :D
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06:27 | but my goal is to create a single app system with ICA client (Citrix)
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06:28 | so..was fighting with it
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06:28 | <alkisg> You don't need a linux desktop at all then?
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06:28 | <bakytn> I have no option ;(
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06:28 | <alkisg> I mean, why have localapps or fat clients if you don't want a linux desktop?
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06:28 | <bakytn> don't have time to mess with WinCE
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06:28 | <alkisg> A tiny thin image should suffice for your needs
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06:28 | <bakytn> yes...we decided not to use Linux desktop for now
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06:29 | <alkisg> Sure, whatever suits you
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06:29 | <bakytn> yes. I will reduce my image (probably just reinstall everything from scratch)
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06:29 | <alkisg> I do think that a local linux web browser would be 10 times faster than citrix ica, but whatever suits your needs
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06:29 | <bakytn> I was just curious about fat clients
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06:29 | will test
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06:30 | no, the idea is that...users would load their ThinClients and see the citrix ica (XenDesktop)
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06:30 | a VDI solution
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06:30 | <alkisg> Yes, that's quite slow
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06:30 | <bakytn> need to test
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06:30 | the best way would be to use their own boot servers
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06:30 | <alkisg> X over lan can show video without dropped frames. Nothing else can, from what I've tested so far (I've tested citrix ica)
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06:31 | E.g. try to play a fullscreen youtube video with ica, and with a localapps or fat browser, and check the difference
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06:31 | Anyway, you need to test before trying the alternatives, so go ahead and test
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06:31 | <bakytn> yeah I used to watch fullscreen flash videos when we used Linux desktops
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06:31 | alkisg, yes. test test and test..
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06:31 | Thanks! :D
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06:32 | <alkisg> np
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06:32 | bakytn: a btw you could probably also use local VMs in your chroot
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06:32 | E.g. a single windows 7 virtualbox image (or whatever virtualization technique works on arm) that runs windows on top of it
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06:33 | And is served by ltsp
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06:33 | Keep that in mind for a future test
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06:33 | <bakytn> what? any links?
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06:33 | this could save my life
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06:33 | <alkisg> Nope, I haven't ever googled for it
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06:33 | I've done it though, but no idea if that's doable with arm
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06:33 | <bakytn> interesting!
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06:33 | <alkisg> Does arm processors support some VM that can run windows?
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06:34 | (apart from emulating a processor with qemu, which would be too slow)
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06:34 | <bakytn> moment
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06:35 | you mean...that you installed VirtualBox to the chroot
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06:35 | with single vm?
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06:35 | for every client
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06:35 | <alkisg> Yes, and create deleteable snapshots on the fly for each user with the same .vdi as the snapshot root
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06:36 | So I only need disk space for 1 .vdi
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06:36 | And when I want to install a program, I only install it once
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06:36 | And I can even give admin access to the clients, as their changes are lost on reboot (not their documents though)
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06:37 | KVM should work on ARM, not sure how windows will work over that
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06:43 | <bakytn> hm
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06:43 | niiic
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06:43 | niiice
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06:44 | the main goal is smooth user experience and sound + microphone. (video is not critical)
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22:16 | <steelrat405> Hello all
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22:20 | <steelrat405> of course have a question hoping someone has a moment .... I am running a new Ubuntu 11.10 and ltsp 5.2.16 I am trying to get the system to auto login and bring up a rdesktop login. All I am getting is a black screen with a white pointer. If I boot in ltsp then run rdesktop from gui or commandline I am able to connect. Any guidence would be appreciated
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22:24 | <andygraybeals> did you disable that 3d desktop monstrosity?
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22:25 | <steelrat405> Since I do not know what you mean probably not
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22:25 | thanks for taking a second
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22:25 | <alkisg> Do you really want to login into gnome first, and automatically run rdesktop, or you want to run rdesktop without logging in?
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22:25 | The second one is more common
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22:25 | <andygraybeals> compiz ... lemme see if i can remember how to get the bot to give us the instructions
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22:25 | <steelrat405> ideally all I need is to run rdesktop
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22:26 | <alkisg> Then don't bother with autologin
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22:26 | Just set SCREEN_07=rdesktop in your lts.conf
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22:26 | What's your lts.conf like now? Paste it to pastebin:
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22:26 | !pastebin
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22:26 | <ltsp> alkisg: pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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22:28 | <steelrat405> my lts.conf is blank except for mac address, screen_07 with RDPserver now
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22:29 | <alkisg> Here's a start. Put this in your lts.conf:
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22:29 | [mac:address] (or [Default])
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22:29 | SCREEN_07=xterm
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22:29 | Then reboot the client, you'll get an xterm. Run rdesktop etc from there
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22:30 | If you can login from there, you just put that command in SCREEN_07=rdesktop params
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22:30 | <steelrat405> http://pastebin.com/Unzuau9D lts.conf current making requested changes now
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22:31 | <alkisg> [default]
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22:31 | #LDM_AUTOLOGIN = True
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22:31 | [00:E0:4C:19:AC:4A]
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22:31 | ==> that's a problem
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22:31 | Empty sections are a syntax error
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22:31 | (comments don't count as entries)
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22:31 | So either delete [Default], or put a fake entry, e.g. FOO=BAR
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22:32 | <steelrat405> ok will delete and retry
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22:33 | came up to shell as expected : )
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22:34 | <alkisg> Good, now try to rdesktop from there, e.g. you might have networking problems
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22:34 | <alkisg> E.g. you may need to do NAT on your LTSP server
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22:35 | <steelrat405> quite possible since win server is not in same subnet just threw me off that I could boot into the ltsp desktop and run the rdesktop with no issues
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22:36 | when I run rdesktop I get a message that "Autoselected keyboard map en-us" then just sits there
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22:38 | ok bet your right finally timed out with unable to connect
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22:47 | <alkisg> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ThinClientHowtoNAT
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22:47 | <steelrat405> Thank You I am working through that document right now
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23:07 | <steelrat405> That was it I am working now (except for screen resolution) but I think I can fix that as always thanks for the solution!!!!
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23:10 | <alkisg> You're welcome
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