IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 3 September 2012 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:03 | <alkisg> kieppie1: afaik, spice only _plans_ to offer 3d passthrough acceleration to VMs, not to remote clients, did I miss anything?
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| 03:04 | For 3d over the network, the only thing I heard of is virtualgl, which I tried but it crashed my server
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| 03:04 | Of course if a server is good enough to render 3d itself and then send the result as a video stream to the clients, then sure, that would work, but that doesn't depend on 3d client-side availability
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| 03:06 | For now, ltsp only supports compositing etc desktops if the WM runs on the clients locally, e.g. localapps, ltsp fat clients...
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| 08:43 | <warren> alkisg: oddly enough, compiz running on the remote server (not as a local app) used to work in older versions quite well
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| 08:44 | <alkisg> warren: it still works with llvmpipe, but it's very slow
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| 08:45 | <warren> alkisg: I vaguely remember it was around the advent of DRI2 when it stopped working
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| 08:46 | <alkisg> warren: so with dri1 one could run compiz over the network well enough? should we try to report bugs about dri2? or should we try to switch and run the WM as a localapp by default, if it requires 3d?
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| 08:47 | <warren> alkisg: hmm, i might be wrong about DRI2
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| 08:48 | alkisg: with thin client graphics hardware that supported compositing, compiz running ON THE SERVER had very good performance on the client
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| 08:48 | hmm
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| 08:50 | alkisg: Fedora 10 was the last version I know it worked, perhaps Fedora 11 too. Sometime after that it stopped working.
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| 08:50 | <alkisg> Gotcha, but I wasn't able to ever reproduce that, I only got llvmpipe on the client even if it supports 3d normally
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| 08:51 | <warren> It was actually the software itself aborting
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| 08:51 | it might be as simple as removing a conditional that was added at that time
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| 08:52 | alkisg: Fedora 17+ is supposed to have a fallback software compositer, does that work
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| 08:52 | ?
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| 08:52 | <alkisg> I think stgraber put an env var at some point about LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT
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| 08:53 | warren, the software compositor is llvmpipe, I think its performance is acceptable locally but not over the network
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| 08:53 | I didn't try a whole DE with llvmpipe, just a few apps, and it was tooooo slow
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| 08:53 | <warren> the real nice thing about remote compiz is it actually IMPROVED performance and reduced bandwidth usage
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| 08:53 | we measured that at the time
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| 08:54 | <alkisg> If there's enough memory for pixmap caching, I imagine that's ok, but I wasn't able to reproduce that since I've heard about that case
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| 08:54 | <warren> (when compared to a non-composited desktop)
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| 08:55 | <alkisg> I always got software 3d in the clients, so it always sucked
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| 08:55 | <warren> my test case was a Thinkpad T41 with Radeon 7500 client
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| 08:55 | * alkisg used an intel atom netbook, which runs 3d locally fine | |
| 08:55 | <warren> it broke early 2009 AFAIK
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| 08:56 | something changed in X, compiz, or somewhere in between
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| 08:56 | <alkisg> warren: doesn't f17 use mutter instead of compiz?
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| 08:56 | <warren> yeah, Fedora now uses GNOME3
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| 08:57 | <alkisg> So, we'd need to troubleshoot 2 compositors...
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| 08:57 | <warren> GNOME3 didn't happen until like fedora 16 I think
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| 08:57 | IMHO, LTSP on Fedora should use Mate
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| 08:57 | * alkisg is using gnome-fallback for greek schools | |
| 08:57 | <warren> with software compositing, the GNOME team planned on dropping support for fallback
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| 08:58 | <warren> not sure how that's going now
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| 08:58 | <alkisg> The same. Well, we'll keep ubuntu 12.04 for 2 years and then check for a wayland-based implementation
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| 08:58 | Which might be vnc/rdp like for thin clients, and normal for fats
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| 08:58 | (2 years or even more, if needed)
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| 09:00 | <warren> alkisg: I would investigate what exactly changed that broke remote compiz ~2009
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| 09:00 | alkisg: it worked GREAT before that
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| 09:01 | <alkisg> warren: hmmm does that also mean that programs that required 3d, like google earth, worked also OK at that point?
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| 09:02 | <warren> alkisg: i don't remember trying google earth, but glxgears worked on the side of a spinning cube
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| 09:02 | <alkisg> That sounds great
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| 09:03 | <warren> I don't remember when DRI2 actually happened
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| 09:03 | <alkisg> There's also virtualgl for 3d over the network, not sure if that would be needed if remote compiz/3d worked fine out of the box
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| 09:03 | <warren> 3D on the spinning cube was only possible after DRI2
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| 09:03 | DRI2 brought indirect direct rendering
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| 09:05 | http://hoegsberg.blogspot.com/2008/03/i-just-committed-last-bit-of-dri2-work.html
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| 09:06 | early 2008 DRI2 was committed ....
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| 09:06 | october 2008 was my last known confirmation of working remote compiz
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| 09:06 | early 2009 I was reassigned to work on a different project, so I didn't test it much. I just noticed it broke with some kind of abort.
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| 10:06 | * ogra_ remembers too that compiz remotely worked tons better that even a 2D desktop in the past | |
| 10:06 | <ogra_> *than
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| 12:38 | <alkisg> !lock
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| 12:38 | <ltsp> (lock [<channel>] <key>) -- Locks the factoid(s) associated with <key> so that they cannot be removed or added to. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
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| 12:38 | <alkisg> !lock-screen
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| 12:38 | <ltsp> Error: "lock-screen" is not a valid command.
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| 12:39 | <alkisg> !learn To disable lock screen in newer Gnome versions: gsettings org.gnome.desktop.screensaver lock-enabled false
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| 12:39 | <ltsp> (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value.
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| 12:39 | <alkisg> !learn lock-screen To disable lock screen in newer Gnome versions: gsettings org.gnome.desktop.screensaver lock-enabled false
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| 12:39 | <ltsp> (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value.
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| 12:39 | <alkisg> !learn lock-screen as To disable lock screen in newer Gnome versions: gsettings org.gnome.desktop.screensaver lock-enabled false
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| 12:39 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 14:20 | <Hyperbyte> !lock alkisg
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| 14:20 | <ltsp> An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
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| 14:35 | <Hyperbyte> !lock-screen
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| 14:35 | <ltsp> lock-screen: To disable lock screen in newer Gnome versions: gsettings org.gnome.desktop.screensaver lock-enabled false
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| 14:39 | <alkisg> !forget lock-screen
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| 14:39 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 14:39 | <alkisg> !learn lock-screen as To disable lock screen in newer Gnome versions: gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.screensaver lock-enabled false
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| 14:39 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 14:40 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: why don't you create a factoid on how to globally force gsettings? :)
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| 14:41 | !learn gsettings-defaults as ls /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/*.override; man glib-compile-schemas
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| 14:41 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 15:19 | <hammommah> how do i go about mounting a nfs share off my media centre for my kids thins clients to connect to?
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| 15:37 | <alkisg> hammommah: you just mount it on your ltsp server, it doesn't need to be mounted on the thin clients
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| 15:40 | <hammommah> ty very much. google just bring up heaps of solutions for nfs mount main boot directory.. life saver :)
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| 15:42 | <alkisg> Boot directory? Not a directory with media files?
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| 15:43 | Do you mean that you don't want to use LTSP but just use NFS to netboot the clients?
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| 15:45 | <hammommah> no no I want to mount media nfs in my lounge room not on ltspserver... i was just saying google has a thousand threads on nfs booting problems not soloutions for setting up different nfs share.
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| 15:49 | <hammommah> ty for the help :) im off to catch some zzzz's
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| 20:46 | <Hyperbyte> mhmmm
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