IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 10 January 2007 (all times are UTC)
| 00:01 | <vagrantc> it is because ssh drops root privledges (privledge separation) too early for most pam modules to run.
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| 00:46 | <krinns_> helo
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| 05:20 | <juhaj> I was wondering, is it really necessary to have tftp server on the same machine as ltsp's nfs root? debian's packages seem to want this, but I don't
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| 05:20 | <budgee> not necessary
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| 05:21 | jsut change tftp path in dhcpd.conf
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| 05:22 | <juhaj> yeah, but there is no way of having ldminfod installed on a pure debian machine without having tftp server as well
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| 05:23 | <ogra> ldminfod doesnt need a tftp server ... only inetd
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| 05:23 | <juhaj> I'm in a situation, where I want to keep the nfs root on a different machine than the machine where ltsp eventually logs to and I certainly do not want extra services running anywhere (i.e. extra tftp)
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| 05:23 | <ogra> just disable it in inetd.conf then ...
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| 05:23 | <juhaj> hm.. I guess I could just turn it off from the other machine and keep it installed, but ...
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| 05:24 | <ogra> tftp in ubuntu and debian is run by inetd, commenting the line in the config switches it off
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| 05:24 | <juhaj> that sounds fine. but I still think "depends:" on tftp server is not correct
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| 05:24 | <budgee> that's will need to be debated with the relevant package maintainers
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| 05:24 | <juhaj> could I just copy ldminfod and necessary libraries over? or make them another package?
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| 05:24 | <ogra> ldminfod is a part of the ltsp-server package ... if we once split that package into scattered pieces i'll make sure it doesnt depend on tftpd
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| 05:25 | <juhaj> budgee: I know. I just wanted to make sure I'm correct in assuming what I want done is possible
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| 05:25 | ogra: exactly. that's what I think should be done: ltsp-server could become ltsp-server-nfsroot, ltsp-server-xhost, ltsp-server-whatever-else-is-necessary
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| 05:26 | "xhost" here refers to the machine ldm logs into to run the window manager et al
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| 05:26 | <ogra> yes, thats what we discuss ... i'm not a fan of it because it gets you in maintenance hell, but i understand the user need for it
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| 05:28 | <juhaj> I understand that point, too. I hate maintenance hell's =)
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| 05:28 | -'
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| 05:29 | though I don't think that would mean maintenance hell to anyone except the DM
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| 05:29 | <budgee> ogra: how's work toward 5 going?
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| 05:30 | <ogra> budgee, feisty (7.04) will have the full ltsp5 version
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| 05:30 | i wrote a new printserver after we had to drop lp_server (nobody noticed the flaky license until now)
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| 05:31 | we'Re switching to pulseaudio ...
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| 05:31 | <juhaj> ogra: what I'm even more interested is ltspfs (- to 0.4.3+debian2): it's stuck in NEW due to freeze. are you going to try to tweak it into etch?
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| 05:31 | <ogra> and rdesktop support should work in feisty out of the box ...
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| 05:31 | juhaj, nope, i'm no DD ...
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| 05:31 | vagrantc does the debian packages
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| 05:31 | i do ubuntu
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| 05:32 | <ogra> i suspect he wont get them in but ysou'll have them in sid and they are backwards compatible
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| 05:34 | <juhaj> ogra: yea, I know, but I just hate backporting: it's a maintenance hell
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| 05:34 | <ogra> yep, i know
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| 05:34 | <juhaj> I think I'll bug vagrantc if/when he shows up
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| 05:35 | otherwise, thank you for excellent work! this works like a charm.
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| 05:35 | <ogra> we were late with the ltspfs packages in ubuntu, so in turn he wqaws late with asking for inclusion ...
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| 05:35 | <ogra> and a freeze is a freeze ...
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| 05:36 | <juhaj> (it didn't in the summer, the initrd mount nfs root -part was partially broken back then, but complaining to you guys obviously helped =) )
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| 05:36 | <budgee> ogra: how complex do you think porting your fiesty work to gentoo will be
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| 05:36 | ogra: pulseaudio replacing esd?
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| 05:36 | <ogra> yep
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| 05:37 | <budgee> in fiesty?
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| 05:37 | <ogra> well, ask dberkholz, he started a gentoo port ... i have no clue about the status
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| 05:37 | <juhaj> hm.. another question: is there no docs about which settings are supported in lts.conf? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuLtsConfParams has some, but it's rather old
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| 05:37 | <budgee> ok
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| 05:37 | I will.
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| 05:37 | juhaj: check the old documentation
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| 05:37 | on the old site
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| 05:37 | <juhaj> it refers to dapper's docs, which does not basically have anything =)
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| 05:37 | <ogra> juhaj, /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/
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| 05:37 | <juhaj> budgee: which old site?
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| 05:38 | <budgee> dberkholz: you there?
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| 05:38 | <ogra> thats in edgy ... and has the full list of supported params
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| 05:38 | <juhaj> ogra: everything in there is supported? I checked that but it looked too much like it's vanilla upstream version so I didn't trust it
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| 05:38 | <budgee> juhaj: http://ltsp.sourceforge.net/
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| 05:39 | <juhaj> ogra: btw, "XSERVER = fqdn" does not seem to work. is it supposed to?
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| 05:39 | <budgee> juhaj: See chapter 9: http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/docs/ltsp-4.1-en.html
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| 05:39 | <ogra> juhaj, nope
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| 05:39 | <juhaj> (I *may* have a name resolution error, though)
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| 05:39 | <budgee> juhaj: does fqdn resolve?
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| 05:39 | <juhaj> ogra: thanks. why's that, though?
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| 05:39 | <ogra> XEDRVER requires an X driver name
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| 05:39 | *XSERVER
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| 05:40 | <juhaj> budgee: of course, but possibly not on the ltsp client since i'm not entirely confident on the dhcp server providing correct values
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| 05:40 | <budgee> juhaj: XSERVER = auto
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| 05:40 | <juhaj> ogra: my bad! I meant SERVER, without X
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| 05:40 | <budgee> juhaj: Does DHCP issue the clients with DNS entries allowing them to resolve FQDN?
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| 05:41 | <ogra> SERVER should work with dns names and ip adresses
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| 05:41 | if you want the servers IP, just use SERVER=server
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| 05:41 | "server" is automatically pointing to the bootserver
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| 05:42 | <juhaj> ogra: in that case, my dhcp gives bad name resolver config...
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| 05:42 | <ogra> (yes, i should add that to the doc )
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| 05:42 | <budgee> ogra: ok, interesting.
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| 05:42 | ogra: when was that default added?
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| 05:42 | <ogra> "server" is set in /etc/hosts on boot of the client
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| 05:42 | <juhaj> hmm, but /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/resolv.conf is correct
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| 05:42 | <ogra> budgee, that was there since breezy, just undocumented
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| 05:42 | <envite> Hola a todos desde España
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| 05:43 | Hello all from Spain
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| 05:43 | <budgee> ogra: ok, is it a ubuntu default only?
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| 05:43 | <ogra> nope, debian uses it too
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| 05:43 | we try to keep the code differences as small as possible ...
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| 05:44 | (with the target to have 100% identical code but different packaging)
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| 05:44 | <budgee> ogra: ok, but this is post 4.2
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| 05:44 | <ogra> s/different packaging/different distro specific dependencies/
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| 05:44 | thats ltsp 5
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| 05:44 | <budgee> ogra: I am still using 4.1/2 in production?
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| 05:45 | -?
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| 05:45 | <ogra> if you are fine with it and it runs why shouldnt you run 4.2 ...
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| 05:45 | <budgee> ogra: well like i say, i am still using 4.2
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| 05:46 | ogra: i need to add networked audio using the AMD Geode LX
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| 05:46 | <ogra> 5 will have the easier maintenance aned upgradeability but if you doint change anything anyway and dont care about security upgrades for the clients there is no need to upgrade
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| 05:46 | <budgee> having lots of trouble
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| 05:46 | ogra: also, only using VESA driver for the LX as cannot find any support for the driver
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| 05:47 | <budgee> ogra: maybe 5 makes it easier to customise?
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| 05:53 | <ogra> yep
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| 05:53 | you just apt-get install what you want in the client environment ...
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| 05:54 | i.e. you want a complete cups server running on the client, you can just install cups ...
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| 05:54 | no compiling or anything like with the former ltsp versions ...
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| 05:54 | just use the distro packages ;)
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| 05:57 | <budgee> ogra: ok
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| 05:57 | ogra: you around for a bit?
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| 06:02 | <ogra> budgee, yes but i have tons of meetings today .... i'll be around here but active in other channels so my reply might take some time ...
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| 06:11 | <budgee> ogra: ok thanks
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| 06:12 | ogra: sound module loaded in 4.2 now but after "Starting Sound Server", getting /dev/dsp: no such file or directory
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| 06:12 | ogra: ideas?
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| 06:28 | ogra: think this may be it: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#esd_ALSA_sound_on_LTSP_4_2
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| 06:40 | <rafiks> hey!
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| 06:40 | where can I find documentation for lts.conf?
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| 07:08 | <envite> rafiks
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| 07:08 | on wiki
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| 07:09 | http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtsConf
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| 07:10 | <str4nd> Hmm.. why ltsp dont work if client is behind the hub... "Mounting root file system [ok]" and nothing happens
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| 07:11 | hmm.. i mean optical fiber switcher, not hub
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| 07:18 | <rafiks> envite : thanks
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| 07:22 | <ogra> rafiks, depends which version you use ... ltsp 4.2 docs for lts.conf are on the wiki, ltsp 5 includes the docs for lts.conf
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| 07:27 | <rafiks> i am using ltsp 5,i don't see it in my computer? is it a manpage?
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| 07:28 | is there a big difference between lts.conf of 4 and 5?
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| 07:33 | <MRH2> Hi anyone know if there is a way to stop screen updates for inactive workspaces (using gnome here)
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| 07:33 | <cliebow_> rjune:pingorooie
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| 07:39 | <juhaj> hm.. after I changed SERVER to a host != the nfs root machine, I can no longer log in. there is an ssh connection to the host in question, but it never manages to even try to authenticate (nothing appears in auth.log of the server). ssh_known_hosts is fine
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| 07:54 | <budgee> Any sound fundi's available?
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| 08:02 | <budgee> Anyonbe able to answer sound questions?
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| 08:04 | <cliebow_> budgee:if you are in ltsp5 ogra is your best hope..Gadi might be able as well
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| 08:06 | <budgee> 4.2
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| 08:06 | <envite> I can help a bit with sound
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| 08:06 | but probably only a bit ;)
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| 08:06 | <budgee> envite:
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| 08:08 | <envite> budgee: ?
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| 08:08 | <budgee> envite: ok, so the driver loads and esd starts on the terminal
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| 08:08 | envite: does sound need to work on the serfver itself?
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| 08:08 | envite: ie. does the server itself need soundcard loaded etc
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| 08:09 | <envite> budgee: no, sound does not need to work on server
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| 08:10 | I wrote wiki's OSS-ESD redirection on KDE after testing in a server w/o soundcard kernel module ;)
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| 08:10 | <budgee> envite: ok, how do i test the sound on the terminal? i tried through a shell on the terminal to cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp
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| 08:11 | envite: ok cool. This server has no sound modules loaded and the client is AMD Geode LX based, with ALSA soundard drivers only
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| 08:12 | envite: ps. the "cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp" did not render any static
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| 08:12 | <envite> I do not know about sound hardware, included AMD LX ;)
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| 08:12 | i'm starting my ltsp test client to help you
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| 08:13 | <budgee> envite: it is configured as follows:
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| 08:13 | SOUND = Y
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| 08:13 | SOUND_DAEMON = esd
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| 08:13 | SMODULE_01 = snd-cs5535audio
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| 08:13 | envite: No OSS support for that driver. 2.6 ALSA only.
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| 08:16 | <ogra> try to load snd-pcm-oss additionally ...
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| 08:17 | that might give youz the alsa/oss compatibility layer to make esd happy
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| 08:17 | (i.e. creates /dev/dsp)
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| 08:18 | <budgee> ogra: Is there a way to test on the commandline if /dev/dsp working?
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| 08:18 | <envite> Sorry, laptop battery went out
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| 08:18 | <budgee> envite: where did I lose you?
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| 08:18 | <envite> budgee: do not use /dev/random
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| 08:18 | <ogra> dunno if there is any kind of player installed in 4.2 clients to test from commandline
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| 08:18 | <budgee> envite: ok? why?
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| 08:18 | <envite> try cat /proc/kcore > /dev/dsp
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| 08:18 | <budgee> ogra: seems not
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| 08:19 | envite: brb, will try now
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| 08:19 | <envite> budgee: i think kernel can not generate random numbers as fast as cat tries to read them, so you do not hear them happening
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| 08:20 | <budgee> envite: that worked!
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| 08:20 | envite: nice :)
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| 08:20 | ok, so if i merge xmms-esd i can test, right?
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| 08:21 | <envite> try it ;) never become afraid of testing things (excepting drugs and rm -rf / )
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| 08:22 | <budgee> envite: just that this particular box does not have kde on it and to merge kde will take a day or so :)
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| 08:23 | envite: am merging it in the meantime because the production environment that is running 4.1 uses kde
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| 08:23 | <rafiks> budgee: what is merge?
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| 08:23 | budgee: are using gentoo?
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| 08:23 | <budgee> rafiks: yes
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| 08:24 | rafiks: merge = emerge
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| 08:24 | <envite> budgee: try something simpler first
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| 08:24 | like esdplay
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| 08:24 | <rafiks> budgee : i thought gentoo does not have ltsp 5 yet..
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| 08:25 | budgee: you doin it the hard way?
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| 08:28 | <budgee> rafiks: it does not
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| 08:28 | rafiks: using 4.2
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| 08:31 | <budgee> envite: does esdplay plays mp3?
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| 08:32 | <rafiks> budgee : i tried it ,doesn't work..
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| 08:32 | <budgee> rafiks: esdplay?
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| 08:32 | <rafiks> budgee : yup
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| 08:32 | <budgee> rafiks: does your sound work?
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| 08:32 | <rafiks> budgee : yeah,,but i haven't setup my client yet...still not here..
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| 08:33 | still using my desktop
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| 08:33 | <budgee> envite: dude? how to test with esdplay?
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| 08:33 | <rafiks> budgee : have you tried a wav file?
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| 08:35 | <envite> budgee: on any computer in the same network (you can use the server, the workstation, or any other computer with esdplay installed)
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| 08:35 | esdplay -s WORKSTATION_IP SOUND_FILE
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| 08:36 | <envite> on the workstation, or in the server if envvars are correct, you can wipe out "-s WS_IP"
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| 08:36 | <budgee> envite: What format can SOUND_FILE be? mp3 don't work
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| 08:36 | <envite> budgee: wav
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| 08:37 | <budgee> envite: ah
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| 08:37 | right, now to find a wav! :)
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| 08:37 | <envite> heh
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| 08:37 | try /usr/share/sounds
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| 08:38 | <budgee> envite: roger that, going to test
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| 08:41 | envite: for i in /usr/share/sounds/alsa/*; do esdplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Side_Right.wav; done
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| 08:41 | envite: YAY! she speaks!
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| 08:41 | envite: so it was working all along, just needed testing :)
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| 08:42 | envite: for i in /usr/share/sounds/alsa/*; do esdplay $i; done
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| 08:43 | <envite> ok, you owe me a beer
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| 08:43 | <budgee> envite: where do i send it?
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| 08:43 | <envite> where must I have to go to take it?
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| 08:44 | Spain, Canary Islands
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| 08:44 | <budgee> budgee: Durban, South Africa - Fantastic this time of year! :)
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| 08:44 | <envite> hmm, it's a bit far from here ;)
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| 08:44 | <budgee> envite: Sorry, that was me talking to you, not me talking to me.
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| 08:44 | <envite> dont worry :)
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| 08:45 | <budgee> envite: oh well. one day maybe.
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| 08:45 | <envite> I hope you still entering here at IRC
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| 08:45 | <budgee> envite: thanks, that's wicked to have solved.
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| 08:45 | envite: who is the Video Guru? I am still using the VESA driver for the Geode LX.
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| 08:46 | envite: will be around
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| 08:48 | <envite> budgee: me too. About video, I've no idea
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| 08:49 | Have readed http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/VideoCards#Geode_GX1 ?
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| 08:49 | may help
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| 08:49 | <budgee> GX1 is previous chipset.
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| 08:50 | envite: LX is new and not yet in X stable
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| 08:50 | But AMD has patch available
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| 08:50 | <budgee> envite: http://www.amd.com/us-en/ConnectivitySolutions/ProductInformation/0,,50_2330_9863_13022%5E11363,00.html
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| 08:50 | See: Xorg Common Patch for LX/GX 03.00.0100 12/20/05
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| 08:50 | X.org 6.8.1 pristine source patch - supports LX and GX
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| 08:51 | envite: That page says the driver was mainstreamed X.org (7.2)
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| 08:51 | But 7.2 is still far from release
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| 08:52 | <envite> well, try that. Don't be afraid of trying ;) use CVS of Xorg
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| 08:52 | <jammcq> g'morning
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| 08:56 | <envite> good afternoo
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| 08:56 | ;)
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| 08:56 | <budgee> envite: but how do I compile it? it needs to be compiled against the ltsp-4.2 stuff?
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| 08:57 | <budgee> jammcq: loooooooooooong time no speak.
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| 08:57 | jammcq: like 3 years
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| 08:57 | <budgee> jammcq: ps. good morning, happy new year
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| 08:57 | <jammcq> thanks, you too
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| 08:58 | <budgee> jammcq: the nsc driver supplied in LTSP 4.2-4, is does that include the LX patch? (http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2006-November/019649.html)
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| 08:58 | <jammcq> no
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| 08:58 | it doesn't
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| 08:58 | <budgee> jammcq: if not, how do i apply the patch and rebuild?
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| 08:58 | jammcq: do i need to use LTSP 5?
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| 08:58 | <jammcq> umm, well, I haven't seen the patch. What version of Xorg is that patch for?
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| 08:59 | <budgee> jammcq: us Gentoo people have not yet wrapped our mind around LTSP 5
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| 08:59 | jammcq: 6.8.1 and up I believe, see: http://www.amd.com/us-en/ConnectivitySolutions/ProductInformation/0,,50_2330_9863_13022%5E11363,00.html
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| 08:59 | <jammcq> LTSP-4.2 is using Xorg 6.9
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| 09:00 | <budgee> jammcq: so we should be able to update the nsc driver?
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| 09:00 | <jammcq> *should* yes
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| 09:01 | <budgee> jammcq: yes, i understand the should part.
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| 09:01 | jammcq: some pointers please to get me going... do I need LBE?
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| 09:01 | <jammcq> to build Xorg, yes
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| 09:02 | <budgee> jammcq: so I need to rebuild the whole of Xorg, or is it possible to just rebuild the nsc dirver?
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| 09:02 | <jammcq> you'll need to build ALL of LBE, including all of Xorg
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| 09:02 | <budgee> jammcq: I have ltsp-4.2-4 installed on gentoo, how do I get LBE again (it has been a while)?
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| 09:03 | <envite> It's 15:00 here, I'm going home
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| 09:03 | <jammcq> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DownLoads?topic=LBE
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| 09:03 | <budgee> envite: thanks dude
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| 09:03 | <envite> good luck with that, budgee
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| 09:03 | <budgee> envite: stoked it works :)
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| 09:04 | <budgee> jammcq: any idea roughly how long the cvs checkout will take?
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| 09:04 | it MB terms?
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| 09:04 | :%s/it/in
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| 09:05 | <jammcq> cvs checkout is real fast
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| 09:05 | couple of minutes
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| 09:05 | that's not the hard part
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| 09:05 | once you start building, it needs to go fetch tarballs of all the upstream source packages
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| 09:05 | <jammcq> that can take quite a while
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| 09:05 | <budgee> yeah, sure.
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| 09:05 | ok so once XOrg is down, I will need to patch the relevant file before rebuilding?
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| 09:06 | cd lbe
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| 09:06 | ./build_all --fetch
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| 09:06 | oops, ignore that
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| 09:06 | * budgee cringes | |
| 09:06 | <jammcq> yeah, you get the idea :)
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| 09:06 | <budgee> jammcq: sorry dude, back on training wheels again, it has been a few years
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| 09:06 | things, they are a changing in LTSP
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| 09:07 | i am hoping to get more involved with dberkholz getting MueKow into Gentoo
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| 09:07 | <jammcq> cool
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| 09:07 | that is VERY different from LBE
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| 09:07 | and very exciting
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| 09:07 | <budgee> yes, concept sounds very exciting!
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| 09:08 | once the new nsc driver is built and working, can we update ltsp-4.2?
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| 09:08 | i assume my LBE will create a binary usable by all LTSP 4.2 users?
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| 09:08 | <jammcq> you can give me the updated package.def file, and I can roll out an update
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| 09:09 | <budgee> ok, cool. no idea what/where package.def is, but will pass it on once done.
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| 09:09 | should i use the same kernel release as with 4.2-4?
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| 09:09 | <jammcq> yes
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| 09:10 | <budgee> 2.6.17.8
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| 09:10 | <jammcq> umm, I don't remember
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| 09:11 | <budgee> Was upgraded to cd lbe
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| 09:11 | ./build_all --fetch
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| 09:11 | grr oops
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| 09:12 | <budgee> was upgraded to 2.6.17.8 in 4.2 update 3
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| 09:12 | <budgee> according to: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42#LTSP_4_2_update_4
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| 09:12 | jammcq: thanks, will let you know tomorrow.
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| 09:12 | <jammcq> k
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| 09:12 | <budgee> downloading all now. have meeting in 20 mins, will continue later
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| 09:13 | jammcq: what time are you typically online everyday. it is 17:10 my time
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| 09:14 | <jammcq> it's 10:12am here
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| 09:14 | <budgee> jammcq: ok, ciao, try catch you this time tomorrow, or report via the mailing list.
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| 09:14 | <jammcq> I'm usually around during the day, EST
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| 09:14 | <budgee> or both :)
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| 10:10 | <efra> Morning everybody
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| 10:27 | <g333k_work> efra, Good morning!
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| 10:34 | I need to make a professional installation of a LTSP server... Can you tell me some hints? Beside the structure of the mount points
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| 10:59 | <arc_> g333k_work: you have full documentation on ltsp.org with lots of hints
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| 11:02 | <g333k_work> arc_, I will chek it
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| 11:06 | If I have 2G of RAM what size of swap should I user?
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| 11:06 | use* ?
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| 11:51 | <mhterres> hey guys
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| 11:51 | hi jammcq
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| 11:52 | hey, I'm having a problem with the XkbModel in lts.conf
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| 11:52 | I put this option in lts.conf but the XF86Config.1 in the client don't have this option
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| 11:52 | any ideas ?
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| 11:53 | the only option in keyboard section that appears is XkbLayout
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| 11:53 | the other options doesn't appear
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| 12:37 | <mhterres> hello
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| 12:37 | :-)
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| 13:44 | <budgee> Ahoy
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| 13:45 | Anyone around - am updating the nsc/geode driver for 4.2-5 and have a question or two if anyone has LBE ready to reference
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| 15:00 | <vanya> hello, I got (EE) SIS(0): [dri] SISDRIScreenInit failed because of a version mismatch.
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| 15:00 | [dri] libDRI version is 5.0.0 but version 4.0.x is needed.
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| 15:00 | [dri] Disabling DRI.
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| 15:00 | in xorg.log on ltsp-4.2 What can I do in order to get dri enabled?..
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| 15:20 | * efra_away is away: I'm out to lunch | Sali a comer | |
| 15:25 | <vanya> anyone?.
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| 16:12 | <dberkholz> budgee: i'm here
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| 17:23 | <ogra> !seen vagrantc
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| 17:23 | <ltspbot> ogra: vagrantc was last seen in #ltsp 17 hours, 21 minutes, and 23 seconds ago: <vagrantc> it is because ssh drops root privledges (privledge separation) too early for most pam modules to run.
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| 18:11 | <rjune> cliebow: pandgdoodlie
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| 18:14 | <cliebow> rjune:heh wonder if you have tackled file associations with nautilus..gd rtfs open in nedit
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| 18:15 | <rjune> not w/ nautilus
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| 18:21 | <cliebow> /usr/share/applications is implied..but danged if i can get ti to change
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| 18:32 | <J45p3r> cliebow: ping
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| 18:33 | <cliebow> rjune:yo ho ho
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| 18:33 | and a bottle of heinie
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| 18:33 | <rjune> sup
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| 18:34 | <cliebow> ]noy much.you do well today
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| 18:34 | <J45p3r> check this out, we shouold try it http://community.smoothwall.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=19488&highlight=dgbypass
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| 18:34 | <rjune> I wish I had a bottle
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| 18:34 | <cliebow> ooooh
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| 18:34 | <rjune> medicinal purposes
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| 18:35 | <cliebow> and not for a 2 year old
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| 18:35 | <rjune> no
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| 18:35 | I'm working on a cold
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| 18:36 | <cliebow> J45per: Looks VERY Promising
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| 18:38 | <J45p3r> i think at least good enough for Abe (this was his primary concern going firewalled)
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| 18:38 | <cliebow> yeah..might be the missing link
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| 22:56 | <chupacabra> http://scoot.net/gallery/bbs/Saddams_Cat.gif
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