IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 9 June 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:49 | <generic> guys i need help in mount usb and local disk attatched to my thin clients its not working though when i plug usb on thin client on command line it shows usb attached to sdb
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| 00:50 | <johnny> did you try checking for similiar bugs?
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| 00:50 | maybe somebody has a solution there?
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| 00:52 | <generic> who me ?
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| 00:52 | thats why am here at channel
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| 00:53 | why this is strange i suppose ltsp5 on ubuntu is bundled with local device support
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| 00:53 | one more thing i have amd 64 bit machine but i do ltsp-build-image -a i386
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| 00:53 | does this is a prb?
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| 00:54 | <johnny> so you did go to launchpad ?
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| 00:54 | err launchpad.net, you could see if somebody has solutions in there
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| 01:02 | <generic> ya
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| 01:02 | i have no idea
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| 01:02 | why
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| 01:03 | on server its all good
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| 01:05 | <johnny> i know i saw some relevant bugs, but i haven't looked since hardy release
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| 01:05 | i'm having a similiar problem, but i havent had time to investigate
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| 01:08 | <generic> oh plz can u do it
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| 01:08 | i have hardy on my systems?
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| 01:18 | <johnny> generic, i am not there atm
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| 01:18 | <generic> ok
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| 01:18 | <johnny> i will be there tomorrow night
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| 01:40 | <Pascal_1> Bonjour
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| 01:41 | <generic> hey jhonny
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| 01:42 | <dean_za> Good morning
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| 01:42 | <generic> i just heck my cdrom and usb is working but i have to go in /media/username/usb
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| 01:42 | this is odd
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| 01:42 | <dean_za> Does anyone have any idea why we cant add/remove users from a terminal and only from server in 8.04 ?
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| 01:42 | <generic> how a normal usr go to /media/user/usb normal user should not be able to see /
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| 01:43 | any idea how i make in on user /home/user/
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| 01:44 | <dean_za> the unlock button on user manager never unblanks
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| 04:39 | <johnny> root@emma:/tmp/.lucy-ltspfs# ls -l
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| 04:39 | ls: cannot access floppy0: Permission denied
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| 04:39 | total 0
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| 04:39 | d????????? ? ? ? ? ? floppy0
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| 04:39 | whoa..
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| 04:45 | <ogra> johnny, fuse ....
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| 04:45 | you need to be the user who owns it to see it
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| 04:46 | <johnny> well.. those machines aren't even on
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| 04:46 | hmm..
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| 04:47 | there shouldn't be any processes of those user running anymore, yet that directory is still there
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| 04:47 | suprised root can't see it..
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| 04:47 | uggh.. sleep calls..
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| 05:46 | <dean_za> I am having a number of issues after upgrading to hardy. If I create a new user from the server using the users & groups menu item it creates the user but I cant login as the user as it does not create the home dircetory. I can also only create a user from the server not from a terminal as an admin
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| 05:47 | where call i look for problem ?
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| 05:55 | <generic> guys any idea how i mount my thin client local disk to thin client
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| 05:55 | ?
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| 06:26 | <fraggeln> what protocol does ltsp use? vnc?
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| 06:30 | <ogra> ssh and X
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| 06:30 | <fraggeln> is it fast?
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| 06:30 | <ogra> try it out :)
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| 06:31 | <fraggeln> I indent to :)
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| 06:31 | <Q-FUNK> hm. the ubuntu wiki is low today
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| 06:32 | <ogra> its as fast as X can be, depending on your security level yu can have the X transport encrypted or unencrypted, the encrypted default setup is surely a bit slower than the uencrypted optionl mode
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| 06:32 | Q-FUNK, lower than a meter ?
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| 06:37 | <Q-FUNK> slow
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| 06:37 | :)
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| 06:37 | <ogra> :)
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| 06:38 | <Q-FUNK> it times out regularly, then 5 minutes later, when I re-send the content, it complains that someone else was editing the same page or that i haven't made any change that needs to be saved.
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| 06:54 | <dean_za> ogra - how can I check why nwe user home directories are not created ?
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| 07:02 | <Rucal> dean_za you can use Users Setting on the thin client?i have try,but can't(Ubuntu 8.04,LTSP thin client)
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| 07:14 | <dean_za> nope
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| 07:14 | only on the server
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| 07:14 | but now I am not able to add users at all
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| 07:15 | the user show in user list but not /home/ directory
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| 07:17 | <Rucal> i have creat a new user,but have creat the directory in /home
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| 07:29 | <alkisg> dean_za, what do "getent passwd username", "getent group username" and "sudo getent shadow username" give?
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| 08:57 | <dean_za> alkisg - getent passwd wilco
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| 08:57 | wilco:x:5008:5008::/home/wilco:/bin/bash
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| 08:57 | root@hstb01:/home# getent group wilco
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| 08:57 | wilco:x:5008:
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| 08:57 | root@hstb01:/home# getent shadow wilco
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| 08:57 | wilco:$1$5hgh0cXc$owSUjAZWvZ5gbe6zEVG/I.:14039:0:99999:7:::
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| 08:58 | <Lumiere> uh
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| 08:58 | <dean_za> anyone know what the .gvfs file is ?
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| 08:59 | <alkisg> dean_za, and the wilco user can't login?
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| 08:59 | <dean_za> yep
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| 08:59 | <alkisg> any error messages? either in command line or /var/log?
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| 08:59 | <dean_za> well we created a directory for him and set ownership
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| 09:00 | <dean_za> i will create a new test user quick
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| 09:00 | what do you make of this
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| 09:00 | d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs
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| 09:00 | each user has one in their home directory
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| 09:01 | <Rucal> ??
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| 09:01 | <ogra> then there is something really wrong
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| 09:01 | you are not creating users in the image, right ?
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| 09:01 | <Rucal> yes
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| 09:02 | i only can creat new user in the ltsp-server /home/
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| 09:06 | <alkisg> dean_za, dir permissions? "ls -la /home"
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| 09:06 | <dean_za> ogra - I am definately creating the users on the server
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| 09:06 | <ogra> it works fine here
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| 09:06 | is /home on a different partition ?
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| 09:06 | could that be mounted ro ?
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| 09:08 | <dean_za> ls -la
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| 09:08 | total 44
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| 09:08 | drwxr-xr-x 11 root root 4096 2008-06-09 15:54 .
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| 09:08 | drwxr-xr-x 23 root root 4096 2008-06-07 14:25 ..
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| 09:08 | drwxr-x--- 64 dean dean 4096 2008-06-09 12:44 dean
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| 09:09 | <ogra> is /home on a different partition ?
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| 09:09 | could that be mounted ro ?
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| 09:11 | <dean_za> cat /etc/fstab
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| 09:11 | # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
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| 09:11 | #
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| 09:11 | # <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass>
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| 09:11 | proc /proc proc defaults 0 0
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| 09:11 | # /dev/md1
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| 09:11 | UUID=50fe3d2e-b48e-4aa4-9cf6-fd0a032e8757 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1
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| 09:11 | # /dev/md0
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| 09:11 | UUID=ec4806ff-5828-4f84-827c-4e8fc952a558 /boot ext3 defaults 0 2
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| 09:11 | # /dev/sda6
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| 09:11 | UUID=83a2d04b-1855-434c-b751-3ccb4ed9933c none swap sw 0 0
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| 09:11 | # /dev/sdb6
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| 09:11 | UUID=7a9fb4a6-e422-4b2c-ac0c-2104914705ac none swap sw 0 0
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| 09:11 | <ogra> ARGH
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| 09:11 | <dean_za> # /dev/sdc6
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| 09:11 | UUID=8e30ff8b-674e-4b6d-9bfd-537f89dabe50 none swap sw 0 0
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| 09:11 | <ogra> !paste
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| 09:11 | <ltspbot`> ogra: Error: "paste" is not a valid command.
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| 09:11 | <dean_za> # /dev/sdd6
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| 09:11 | UUID=097b2166-69dc-4b6a-a988-ba4786a9ade4 none swap sw 0 0
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| 09:11 | <ogra> !pastebot
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| 09:11 | <dean_za> /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0
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| 09:11 | <ltspbot`> ogra: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 09:12 | <ogra> so its not ...
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| 09:12 | <dean_za> sorry
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| 09:12 | <ogra> (a simple "no" would have sufficed :)
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| 09:12 | what are you doing with all these swap partitions ?
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| 09:12 | well, not related to your prob
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| 09:13 | * ogra just created a user with the users and groups gui tool ... didnt have any probs ... /home is created | |
| 09:13 | <dean_za> raid 5 over 4 drives , raid 1 for boot , piece of each drive for swap
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| 09:14 | this box was upgraded 7.04 to 7.10 to 8.04
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| 09:14 | <ogra> hmm
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| 09:14 | that shouldnt make any difference
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| 09:14 | <Q-FUNK> dean_za: please use a pastebot for this.
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| 09:14 | <ogra> at least on that level
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| 09:14 | <dean_za> how do i use pastebot /
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| 09:14 | ?
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| 09:14 | <ogra> !pstebot
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| 09:14 | <ltspbot`> ogra: Error: "pstebot" is not a valid command.
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| 09:14 | <ogra> !pastebot
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| 09:14 | <ltspbot`> ogra: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 09:14 | <ogra> dean_za, ^^^^
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| 09:15 | <dean_za> !pastebot
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| 09:15 | <ltspbot`> dean_za: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 09:15 | <ogra> dean_za, did you properly use the update-manager for your upgrades, so migration of things did happen properly ?
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| 09:16 | <exodos> it looks like all system groups has the same gid on all debian systems, is there a place where can i find a list of all those groups?
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| 09:16 | <ogra> exodos, system greoups are created dynamically
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| 09:16 | there are no fixed numbers for them
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| 09:16 | <dean_za> yes and no , i used it but it failed during the first upgrade , i had to dpkg --configure -a
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| 09:17 | <ogra> hmm
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| 09:17 | <dean_za> then i used for the second without incident
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| 09:17 | <exodos> ogra: but system groups on all debian-based system has the same gid, do you know where are those gids defined?
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| 09:17 | <dean_za> figured out the pastebot thing , sorry for being an idiot
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| 09:18 | <ogra> i would bet your adduser setup didnt get updates
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| 09:18 | exodos, they dont
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| 09:18 | ogra@osiris:~/Devel/mobile/desktoplauncher/launcher$ head /etc/group
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| 09:18 | root:x:0:
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| 09:18 | daemon:x:1:
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| 09:18 | see alreay the first two have different ids
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| 09:19 | <exodos> i mean something else
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| 09:19 | group daemon has gid=1 on all debian systems
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| 09:20 | <ogra> you cant rely on that
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| 09:20 | <exodos> and scanner is 105
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| 09:20 | <ogra> scanner is created dynamically
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| 09:20 | you can rely on root being zero, but thats about it
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| 09:21 | packages create most of the system groups, so the order you instal them in defines ho has a higher/lower number
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| 09:21 | s/ho/who/
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| 09:22 | <exodos> ogra: ok, thx
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| 09:27 | <dean_za> ogra - is it possible for this command to affect more than the current /home tinus directory ?
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| 09:27 | chown -f tinus:tinus .*
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| 09:27 | if I have cd /home/tinus
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| 09:27 | <ogra> better do: chown -R tinus:tinus /home/tinus
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| 09:27 | <generic> how to mount local hard drive in ltsp-thin client in Ubuntu 8.04?
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| 09:28 | <ogra> generic, i gave you the line you need to change a week ago already, i even pointed you to the entry you have to change in that line, didnt that work for you ?
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| 09:29 | <dean_za> what if your command changes all home directories ?
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| 09:29 | <ogra> it doesnt
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| 09:30 | it changes everything below /home/tinus *including* /home/tinus
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| 09:30 | <generic> i have already configure usb and cdrom on thin client and its working ,but hardrive is not mounting
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| 09:33 | my hardive is mounted on chroot environment in /opt/ltsp/i386 but not in GUI envirment ,please give your useful comments
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| 09:34 | <dean_za> ogra - thanks I had a typo
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| 09:35 | i have remote access to a fresh 8.04 install , but I cant add users using the gui remotely to test if /home is created
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| 09:35 | im using nxserver
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| 09:40 | <generic> any idea????????????????
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| 09:49 | <dean_za> what filesystem on hard drive ?
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| 09:49 | if ntfs wouldnt you need to install ntfs-3g in chroot
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| 11:19 | <daresbalat> heya does anyone know if there is a localdev package for LTSP on ubuntu hardy, or is it included in the main package? trying to follow the wiki page to set up a swap and cant find it/ ta!
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| 11:20 | <laga> daresbalat: everything ought to be included
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| 11:20 | <johnny> you just have to edit lts.conf
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| 11:20 | <daresbalat> thanks :)
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| 11:20 | is this guide: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Swap up to much you reckon or out of date?
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| 11:21 | <johnny> looks like way
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| 11:21 | <daresbalat> which? :) out of date?
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| 11:22 | <johnny> yes
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| 11:22 | <daresbalat> are there any more up to date guides to you know?
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| 11:23 | <johnny> i just set the parameters in lts.conf
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| 11:23 | most of the time..
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| 11:24 | look for a file called lts-parameters.txt
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| 11:25 | <daresbalat> hmm wheres it likely to be?
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| 11:25 | and it doesnt installa swap bydefault now does it and im chasing my own tail? :)
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| 11:26 | <nate66s> daresbalat: /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client-core/examples/lts-parameters.txt.gz
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| 11:27 | <daresbalat> thanks
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| 11:27 | !
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| 11:27 | <nate66s> np
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| 11:28 | <daresbalat> so if i just set NBD_SWAP = Y it should work? :o
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| 11:30 | hmm i dont seem to have an ltspswapd prog
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| 11:35 | <johnny> it's nbdswapd now
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| 11:35 | <daresbalat> ah thanks :)
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| 11:36 | <daresbalat> johnny: so if i run that and add NBD_SWAP = Y to my lts.conf it should work?
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| 11:37 | <johnny> i'm assuming so
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| 11:37 | <daresbalat> :) ok
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| 11:37 | <johnny> i've never tried it tho
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| 12:31 | <nate66s> jammcq: are you there?
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| 12:45 | <nate66s> is it safe to revert to NFS and not use nbd at all?
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| 12:52 | <Q-FUNK> anybody here with GX2 hardware ?
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| 12:52 | <nate66s> i have gx1 hardware
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| 12:52 | <Q-FUNK> nate66s: that could work too. which one, exactly?
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| 12:53 | <nate66s> the one in the jammin-125
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| 12:53 | when it was still nsc
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| 12:55 | <Q-FUNK> ok, so GX1 with CS5530a companion chip?
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| 12:55 | <nate66s> yeah, i think that's right.. jammcq would probably know the exact details better than me
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| 12:55 | <Q-FUNK> :)
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| 12:55 | nate66s: are you on ubuntu/hardy ?
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| 12:56 | <nate66s> i am, but i can't get the stock kernels to boot.. :(
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| 12:57 | <Q-FUNK> nate66s: how come?
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| 12:58 | <nate66s> i *think* it has to do with the disk-on-chip in the terminal.. the tagged kernel is supposed to be relocated, but the stock kernel isn't
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| 12:58 | <Q-FUNK> did jammcq ever check this?
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| 12:59 | we might have the same problem with our dbe60, which also uses GX1 hardware.
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| 12:59 | <nate66s> not sure if he's had a chance, yet.. i just tried setting these units up last week (they've been in storage for a year)
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| 12:59 | <Q-FUNK> ok
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| 12:59 | <Q-FUNK> tried using the 386 kernel to see if it helps?
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| 12:59 | <nate66s> i had sent a (possibly vague) email to the list, but jammcq didn't respond to it
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| 13:00 | <Q-FUNK> the -generic kernel that is the default since hardy might fail on older geodes, where the old 386 worked fine.
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| 13:01 | <nate66s> oh, ok, no i didn't try the 386 kernel
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| 13:03 | maybe a dumb question -- how do i install that?
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| 13:03 | <Q-FUNK> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 13:04 | <Q-FUNK> then do a normal apt-get
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| 13:04 | <nate66s> ah, ok.. ltsp is a moving target.. can't seem to stay up to date :)
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| 13:04 | <Q-FUNK> afterwards, exit the chroot and regenerate the image using ltsp-update-image
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| 13:07 | <nate66s> "apt-get install linux-image-2.6.24-16-386" fails, as does "apt-get update"
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| 13:08 | <Q-FUNK> that's probably because we're up to -18
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| 13:08 | <nate66s> that's not working either
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| 13:09 | <Q-FUNK> linux-image-2.6.24-16-386
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| 13:09 | at least, this one seems available
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| 13:09 | try doing apt-get update, first?
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| 13:09 | <nate66s> yeah, didn't work..
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| 13:09 | <Q-FUNK> linux-image-386
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| 13:09 | this is the generic package
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| 13:09 | <nate66s> i think my apt sources file is messed up, it's only showing the cd-rom
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| 13:09 | <Q-FUNK> ah. if you cannot update, you also probably cannot fetch
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| 13:10 | right. that would explain it.
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| 13:10 | ok, gotta go
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| 13:10 | bbl
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| 13:10 | :)
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| 14:08 | <pnelson> hp5135 XSERVER=? via s3??? suggestions?
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| 14:08 | <laga> huh
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| 14:09 | <pnelson> Looking for XSERVER option for lts.conf for an HP5135
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| 14:09 | It uses an s3 via video chipset
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| 14:10 | <johnny> you usally never set XSERVER
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| 14:10 | it usually just works
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| 14:11 | <pnelson> it works but with the vesa driver. Auto detect fails
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| 14:12 | <johnny> hmm.. well try
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| 14:13 | otherwise you might wait forever for an answer
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| 14:14 | <pnelson> this is on a K12LTSP 6 box using ltsp 4
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| 14:14 | <johnny> pnelson, whoa.. you'll get even less help on that..
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| 14:14 | i've never personally even used ltsp4
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| 14:15 | ltsp5 is the majority of the folks who come in here these days
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| 22:56 | <Stax> hi all
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| 22:56 | <Rucal> hi
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| 22:57 | <Stax> quick question, i have debian + ltsp running, works using a MS virtual PC booting PXE .. but trying to setup an old dell which supports PXE, it gets IP, starts booting, but then stops after running the nfs-top script ... tftpd reports "client does not accept options"
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| 22:57 | :(
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| 23:02 | <Rucal> sorry ,no idea:-(
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| 23:03 | do you have try another client?
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| 23:09 | <Stax> yeah, another client works ok i.e MS virtual pc
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| 23:09 | must be something specific to this old dell :/
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| 23:10 | <generic> hi all
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| 23:10 | i need to mount my local disk on thin client to mount
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| 23:10 | any idea?
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| 23:12 | <johnny> Stax, what tftp or dns server are you using?
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| 23:12 | err dhcp server*
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| 23:12 | not dns..
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| 23:13 | Stax, i've have two such issues, one triggered due to using dnsmasq , and one due to using one of the other tftp servers
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| 23:13 | you might wanna try a different tftp server
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