IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 20 November 2012 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:02 | <vagrantc> and i figured out the problem with encrypted NBD swap...
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| 01:02 | dare i make another upload...
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| 02:25 | <ltspuser_82> hello
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| 02:26 | anyone online?
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| 03:01 | <kleewyck> I'm stuck... :(
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| 03:01 | I'm wondering if anyone has had this issue with Edubuntu 12.xx and LTSP. I have an HP 5700 and now matter what I have tried it says "please use a kernel appropriate for my CPU missing feature PAE. Yet As far as I can prove I'm booting the generic kernel.
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| 03:01 | and it's not like I'm a total newbee, I've had LTSP running for several years and worked with Linux since red hat version 3 :(
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| 03:02 | any ideas?
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| 03:19 | <muppis> What CPU you do have in that machine? Check that options does it got PAE at all? I'm not sure, but looks like new kernels requires PAE just for sure.
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| 03:35 | <kleewyck> I know it doesn't have PAE
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| 03:36 | but I was under the apparently mistaken idea that generic didn't need PAE.
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| 03:36 | so now with ltsp we can't use ATOM processors :(
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| 03:38 | I have an old 11.xx kernel that loads maybe I can just slip that in :)
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| 04:53 | <ltspuser_55> hi guys
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| 04:53 | i have question?
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| 04:54 | what LTSP package will i use for SUSE enterprise linux server 11
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| 04:55 | hey any one there
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| 04:55 | please help me
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| 04:57 | is kiwi-ltsp will work on Suses enterprise server 11
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| 04:57 | please advise me
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| 08:13 | <ltspuser_32> hiiiii
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| 08:13 | any one know which ltsp package need to use for suse linux enterprise server 11
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| 08:14 | <knipwim> ltspuser_32: have you checked kiwi-ltsp?
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| 08:15 | ltspuser_32: paste from the kiwi-ltsp portal: Please use one of the mailing lists from here or IRC Freenode #kiwi-ltsp channel.
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| 10:49 | <mkuzu> hello
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| 10:49 | need help
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| 10:49 | Users lost their files in home folder
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| 10:49 | after reboot
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| 10:49 | reboot of the ltsp server
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| 10:49 | any idea
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| 10:49 | that happened once before
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| 10:50 | and we could not understand anything
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| 10:50 | after a second reboot
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| 10:50 | we had our home folders and files back?
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| 10:52 | can anyone "hear" me?
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| 11:06 | <alkisg> mkuzu: thin or fat clients or localapps?
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| 11:07 | distro/version/ etc?
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| 11:19 | <mkuzu> thin clients
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| 11:19 | ubuntu precise
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| 11:19 | 12.04
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| 11:20 | DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
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| 11:20 | DISTRIB_RELEASE=12.04
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| 11:20 | DISTRIB_CODENAME=precise
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| 11:20 | DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS"
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| 11:20 | <alkisg> Are you using any weird mechanism to mount /home? E.g. remote NFS server or something?
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| 11:20 | <mkuzu> ltsp 5.17
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| 11:20 | no I guess no
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| 11:21 | the boot image
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| 11:21 | <alkisg> Then it doesn't sound LTSP related... thin client sessions are normal "server-side" sessions
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| 11:21 | <mkuzu> is loaded via PXE
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| 11:21 | yes
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| 11:21 | <alkisg> I'd ask in #ubuntu then
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| 11:21 | <mkuzu> ok...
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| 11:21 | thanks
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| 11:21 | <alkisg> Just in case they've heard of any bugs
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| 13:42 | <andygraybeal> morniging
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| 14:05 | <elias_a> morniging to ye all who walketh upside down! :P
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| 14:29 | <gvy> oO
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| 15:45 | <kleewwyck> Has anyone successfully used HP t5700's as a thin client on the current version 12.xx of Edubuntu?
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| 15:45 | <highvoltage> hey kleewwyck
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| 15:45 | do you have the specs of that thin client anywhere?
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| 15:46 | <kleewwyck> it's a 1gig atom with 256 meg. Worked fine with 11.xx
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| 15:46 | but under 12.xx says kernal needs PAE and I can't get a kernel without PAE.
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| 15:46 | <highvoltage> kleewwyck: indeed
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| 15:46 | <kleewwyck> why is PAE now a requirment for the thin client?
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| 15:47 | quite frustrating .. :)
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| 15:48 | <highvoltage> kleewwyck: the ubuntu kernel team used to maintain a none-pae kernel, but less than 1% of machines needed it and they decided to drop support for it
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| 15:48 | kleewyck: yep, I understand
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| 15:48 | <kleewyck> :)
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| 15:49 | but on the thin client side wouldn't the majority of systems be non pae?
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| 15:49 | * kleewyck guess I'm just cranky now.. | |
| 15:49 | <highvoltage> kleewyck: you could use an older kernel for your chroot
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| 15:50 | <kleewyck> I was wondering if I could swap in the 11.xx one
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| 15:50 | <highvoltage> kleewyck: yes, understandably so. seems like the whole world is conspiring against thin clients these days
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| 15:50 | kleewyck: yep, that should work
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| 15:51 | <kleewyck> I really want a thin client as I don't want to image 20 machines. But replacing all the t5700 now is not an option.
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| 15:51 | <highvoltage> kleewyck: most machines manufactured the last 5 years or so (and possibly a bit further back) should be capable of doing pae, I think some of the initial atoms couldn't, sadly
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| 15:52 | kleewyck: yep, understandable
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| 15:52 | <kleewyck> yup.. :)
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| 16:22 | <ltspuser_34> hi iiiiiiiiiiiiii
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| 16:23 | ERROR! dhcpcd failed! on ltsp4.2
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| 16:23 | any one please help
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| 16:24 | plesae help
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| 16:40 | <knipwim> ltspuser_34: most of us are using ltsp 5
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| 16:43 | <ltspuser_34> can you give me the ltsp5 package
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| 16:45 | <knipwim> ltspuser_34: http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Installation
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| 16:47 | ltspuser_34: the package depends on your distro
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| 16:49 | <kleewyck> Out of curiosity what are people running for thin client hardware now?
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| 16:51 | <knipwim> i used to have a HP t5710 (thin), now an Atom Ion (partially fat)
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| 16:52 | <kleewyck> I'm just finding now those older thin clients are not being supported. If one were to build a lab now what might one use.
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| 16:53 | <knipwim> the HP runs fine on Gentoo
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| 16:54 | <kleewyck> how about the t5700?
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| 16:54 | <knipwim> probably
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| 16:54 | <kleewyck> those seem to be not supported anymore do to lack of PAE.
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| 16:55 | <andygraybeal> is there a draw back if i have touch screens with LTSP and no keyboard for input?
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| 16:55 | <knipwim> i think that's more an ubuntu problem than ltsp
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| 16:55 | <andygraybeal> is the onscreen keyboard easily accesible in this manner?
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| 16:55 | <kleewyck> So if I rebuild with Centos or Scientific Linux I might have a chance?
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| 16:55 | <knipwim> kleewyck: you could also find out how to make a non-pae kernel for ubuntu
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| 16:56 | centos is fedora?
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| 16:56 | <kleewyck> yea more rhel without the cost.
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| 16:57 | <knipwim> hmm, fedora isn't really up-to-date in ltsp, and unmaintained
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| 16:58 | <kleewyck> So what might the recomended linux distro be these days for LTSP ?
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| 16:58 | <knipwim> i guess ubuntu and debian are recommended most
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| 16:59 | <kleewyck> and ubuntu won't run my 5700's :) so maybe debian
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| 16:59 | <knipwim> i would recommeng gentoo of course :)
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| 16:59 | <kleewyck> I've never run gentoo maybe now's the time :)
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| 16:59 | <knipwim> hehe
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| 17:00 | but in your case i would say debian
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| 17:00 | <kleewyck> well been running linux since red hat 3 ... so not a newbee just never had reason to install gentoo
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| 17:02 | <knipwim> the internet says "I'm fairly certain there are no plans upstream for Debian to provide a non-pae kernel in any build of the Linux kernel from 3.0 on up."
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| 17:03 | any debian folk here care to comment? ^^^^
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| 17:04 | <kleewyck> yea I'm kinda lucking out here :(
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| 17:05 | <knipwim> http://www.adminreseau.fr/how-to-install-ubuntu-12-04-on-non-pae-capable-hardware/
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| 17:05 | this might be a solution
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| 17:05 | just replace to pae kernel with a non-pae one in the tftproot
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| 17:09 | <kleewyck> been thinking that. MIght need to install an older version then strip out the kernel :)
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| 17:09 | keep me going until I can replace the hardware.
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| 19:26 | <kev_j> So I have two monitors and the ldm greeter is split between the two screens (most of the time... every now and then it seemingly randomly moves to the left or right screen)
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| 19:26 | I found this http://mattjan.us/blog/2010-12-21/ldm-multihead/
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| 19:26 | but I am fairly certain that it is not valid anymore
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| 19:26 | are there any other ways around this?
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| 19:35 | <willichan> My office is looking to change our computer training room over to use diskless thin clients. Can an LTSP server serve out virtual Windows machines as well as Linux?
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| 19:38 | <highvoltage> willichan: yep, you can do that with virtualbox (and even run it as a local app if you have good machines)
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| 19:40 | <willichan> I have been looking through the docs on the LTSPedia. Are there any other sites with more detailed information for doing this kind of setup?
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| 19:42 | <knipwim> willichan: the distro install pages offer more such details
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| 19:44 | <willichan> Thanks @highvoltage and @knipwin. By distro install pages, are you referring to the links on the LTSPedia pages, or somewhere else?
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| 19:45 | <knipwim> willichan: yeah, these should do it http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Installation
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| 19:46 | <vagrantc> has anyone ever seen a behavior where X number of thin clients can log in as a user, but as soon as you reach a certain threshold, no more clients will log in?
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| 19:46 | * vagrantc is really baffled by this setup | |
| 19:47 | <knipwim> but they will boot?
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| 19:47 | <vagrantc> i guess i need to look at the issue more directly myself...
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| 19:47 | i was going on second-hand information, but it was really confusing.
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| 19:47 | also, who manages the ltsp success stories pages?
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| 19:48 | <knipwim> i was thinking a limit on nfs connections maybe
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| 19:48 | Hyperbyte for the most part, maybe alex also
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| 19:48 | <vagrantc> but we're talking something in the ballpark of 6-10 thin clients on the network, not likely to reach such llimits.
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| 19:49 | Hyperbyte: i put up a success story for freegeek a while back, but noticed it didn't make the map... ?
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| 19:49 | <willichan> Thanks @knipwin. I'll take a closer look.
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| 19:52 | <knipwim> vagrantc: i would check /etc/security/limits.conf to be sure
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| 19:53 | <vagrantc> knipwim: i've run many, many more systems off the same network for years.
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| 19:53 | it's at an all-time low.
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| 20:24 | <Hyperbyte> vagrantc, mmm
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| 20:25 | See PM
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| 20:45 | <alkisg> kleewyck: sudo apt-get install linux-image-generic in the chroot should allow your non-pae clients to boot fine
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| 21:01 | <vagrantc> solving problems, and disappearing into the mist
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| 21:38 | <kev_j> vagrantc: talking about alkisg?
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| 21:39 | <vagrantc> yeah
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| 21:39 | <kev_j> he's like a superhero... like batman or something :-P
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| 21:43 | btw, how important (or unimportant) is encrypting the stream with ldm_directx?
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| 21:43 | and how much of a burden on the system is it?
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| 21:43 | <vagrantc> it's a risk-assessment, like anything else
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| 21:44 | it's definitely notably slower
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| 21:44 | but it's also trivial to monitor keystrokes and even execute code without it
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| 21:44 | for anyone else on the network
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| 21:44 | <kev_j> is the slowdown caused by a change of the network traffic or the cpu?
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| 21:44 | <vagrantc> mostly CPU
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| 21:45 | * vagrantc wonders if it's any better with ecdsa keys | |
| 21:46 | <kev_j> so my user profiles are krb5 with a ldap backend and openafs for files... would that make an impact or is that basically useless if they're just sitting in between with a sniffer (or similar)?
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| 21:51 | is there any way to use ssh gssapi authentication with ltsp?
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| 21:52 | or would that be pointless?
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| 21:56 | <vagrantc> kev_j: they can monitor (and even inject) every keystroke, mouse movement, and everything displayed to the screen, and many things that even aren't displayed to the screen
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| 22:00 | <kev_j> vagrantc: is that if they have direct access to the network or in general?
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| 22:00 | <vagrantc> access to the network
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| 22:05 | <kev_j> oh.. duh, I obviously didn't see the "for anyone else on the network" part of your response the first time
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| 22:54 | <mjbrooks> Is there a way to have a single login for an entire lab using ltsp? I don't think the younger kids will do well having to deal with their own accounts
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