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Channel log from 18 February 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:14 | <Ryan52> !localapps
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| 00:14 | <ltspbot> Ryan52: Error: "localapps" is not a valid command.
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| 00:14 | <Ryan52> bleh.
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| 00:15 | !doco
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| 00:15 | <Ryan52> !doc
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| 00:15 | <ltspbot> Ryan52: Error: "doc" is not a valid command.
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| 00:15 | <Ryan52> !docs
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| 00:15 | <ltspbot> Ryan52: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 01:26 | <DarKnesS_WolF> hello Egyptian[Home]
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| 03:02 | <DarKnesS_WolF> any idea why in fatclient some clients boots correctly and some don't after the ubuntu splash it is not loading and giving me connectio refuse and i am using NFS not imgs anymore.
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| 06:38 | <DarKnesS_WolF> anyone with nfs mount experince ? i have having a problem the fat-clients sometimes boots and sometimes not. and the error is nfsmount: needs a path any idea what might be the problem ? and some other time i reboot the client and it just works ..
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| 07:05 | <ogra> sounds like you have another dhcp server in your network
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| 07:32 | <DarKnesS_WolF> ogra: yes i figured ! someone turned it on and i was getting crazy coudn't understand what is happining.. thx :-)
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| 08:29 | <jammcq> good morning friends
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| 08:39 | <_UsUrPeR_> morning all
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| 09:09 | <stgraber> Gadi: ping
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| 09:10 | Gadi: I found a small bug in ltsp-genmenu yesterday, when the icon file is copied from the thin client to the server its extension is removed. So for example I have blender.xpm on the thin client and it'll be called blender on the server making it not to work
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| 09:11 | <stgraber> I need a new ltspfs in Ubuntu, tagging it now. Then ldm-trunk, then will take care of ltsp-trunk
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| 09:14 | <azdour> is this the right place to chat about ltsp and the nubae fat client?
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| 09:17 | <Gadi> stgraber: that's the latest code?
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| 09:18 | <azdour> i've joined the email list but any email i send seems to require moderator intervention and is therefore not being sent out
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| 09:19 | <stgraber> Gadi: I think so yes
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| 09:19 | * Gadi doesnt see any reason why it should lose the extension | |
| 09:19 | <stgraber> Gadi: because it doesn't have the extension in the .desktop file
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| 09:20 | <Gadi> right but that should not affect the copy
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| 09:20 | the "find" should return the actual file
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| 09:21 | <stgraber> yeah, but the target isn't determined from the find command
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| 09:21 | <Gadi> (unless the find is failing)
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| 09:21 | <stgraber> so it'll copy /usr/share/pixmaps/blender.xpm to "blender" instead of "blender.xpm"
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| 09:21 | because the .desktop file contains Icon=blender
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| 09:21 | <Gadi> oh, damn
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| 09:21 | that's vagrantc's bug
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| 09:21 | he changed the code
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| 09:21 | :P
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| 09:21 | <stgraber> hehe
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| 09:21 | <Gadi> I'll fix it
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| 09:22 | <stgraber> thanks
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| 09:27 | <Gadi> stgraber: pushed
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| 09:27 | please test
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| 09:28 | <stgraber> Ryan52: the translation change works !!! thanks
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| 09:29 | <Ryan52> yay! yw :)
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| 09:30 | <_UsUrPeR_> azdour: You're in the right place
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| 09:30 | <stgraber> Ryan52: can you make message to use the text parser ?
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| 09:31 | Ryan52: so <b>test</b> would make test bold ?
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| 09:31 | Ryan52: in glade it's a simple option to turn on, there probably is a magic function for that too
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| 09:31 | <Ryan52> yep
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| 09:31 | one sec.
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| 09:36 | <Ryan52> stgraber, okay, pushed.
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| 09:41 | <_UsUrPeR_> What needs to be done with Ubuntu 8.10 Alternate install to get ltsp-localapps working?
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| 09:41 | * _UsUrPeR_ is running x64 server, i386 client if that matters at all | |
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| 09:43 | <_UsUrPeR_> I can see ltsp-localappsd, but nothing for ltsp-localapps bin file
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| 09:59 | <_UsUrPeR_> nm. I got it :D copied /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/examples/ltsp-localapps to /usr/bin/
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| 10:29 | <stgraber> tagging a new ldm-trunk now
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| 10:29 | Ryan52: all your changes seem to work perfectly, thanks a lot
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| 10:44 | <cliebow> Gadi:got time for an ot?
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| 10:44 | <Gadi> does it come with beer?
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| 10:44 | <cliebow> someday!
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| 10:45 | <stgraber> beer !!!, who spoke of beer ?
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| 10:45 | <cliebow> what in pam.d triggers "You are required to change password immediatley when authenticating to ldap?
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| 10:45 | <stgraber> Gadi: yeah, your fix works. Thanks
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| 10:45 | tagging ltsp-trunk now
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| 10:46 | <cliebow> intrepid..openldap2.4
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| 10:46 | pam_unix(su:chattrtok) doesmnt exist in /etc/passwd
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| 10:49 | <Gadi> cliebow: depends how you are connecting to ldap
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| 10:49 | there may be a pam_winbind or pam_ldap
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| 10:49 | or some such
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| 10:49 | <cliebow> pam_ldap
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| 10:49 | <Gadi> ok - so it is probably seeing an expiration in your ldap user's account
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| 10:51 | <cliebow> ive never seen this [success=2 default=ignore] nomenclature in pam.d...
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| 10:51 | ill keep commenting out..see what happens..it would be nice to use the pam.d.* intrepid created...
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| 10:58 | <din_os> hello, a quicky : how do I know if an application on the client is run as a localapp or on the server? or, how do I make sure it runs as a localapp?
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| 11:00 | [hardy]
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| 11:01 | <cliebow> din_os:i suppose you could enable root on the clients
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| 11:01 | <din_os> ok I did that... and?
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| 11:06 | <alkisg> din_os: do a `ps -ef` on the server and see if it's listed in the output
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| 11:10 | <din_os> ok, it does :( thanks
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| 11:23 | <zanikus> has anyone had any success with the 'fat' client for ltsp 5 using the script from http://www.nubae.com
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| 11:27 | <zanikus> has anyone run into the bluetooth bug when booting a client using hardy as the ltsp server?
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| 11:29 | <johnny> i dont think i've ever even seen the word bluetooth mentioned in this channel
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| 11:29 | <huey> heh
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| 11:33 | * ogra hands johnny a glass with blueberries so he can have blue teeth | |
| 11:35 | * johnny throws them at ogra | |
| 11:35 | <johnny> so.. i finally broke this old office chair :(
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| 11:36 | uggh
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| 11:38 | <ogra> thats what you get by throwing presents around in the room
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| 11:39 | <johnny> no.. that was yesterday
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| 11:39 | the back doesn't stay up..
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| 11:39 | i cracked it from leaning back too much
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| 11:39 | now i've got the chair against a bookshelf :)
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| 12:14 | <th13f> Hy guys, is 200mhz very low to a thin-client on LTSP 5?
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| 12:14 | <Lns> th13f: it's pushing it
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| 12:14 | what GUI will you be using?
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| 12:14 | <th13f> gnome
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| 12:14 | 5 minutes to boot up
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| 12:15 | there is any document abou this?
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| 12:15 | <Lns> yeah, that's really pushing it
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| 12:15 | <Nubae> 200mhz sounds far too slow
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| 12:15 | well, depending on the ram
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| 12:15 | but at least 500mhz minimum would be advised
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| 12:15 | !docos
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| 12:15 | <ltspbot> Nubae: Error: "docos" is not a valid command.
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| 12:15 | <Nubae> !docs
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| 12:15 | <ltspbot> Nubae: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 12:15 | <Lns> 200MHz would be fine for a text-only ltsp term
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| 12:16 | or *maybe* xfce
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| 12:16 | or *box
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| 12:16 | <th13f> Nubae: Ok. but why? on LTSP 4.2 this thin-client worked very well
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| 12:16 | Lns:
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| 12:17 | <johnny> definitely suggest LDM_DIRECTX for you then
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| 12:17 | <Lns> th13f: ^^^
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| 12:17 | <johnny> that makes it behave more like 4.2..
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| 12:17 | and just as insecure as 4.2 :)
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| 12:18 | <th13f> johnny: I am using this. but not works
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| 12:18 | <Nubae> still 200mhz is too little for a usable machine
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| 12:18 | <th13f> Nubae: ok. thank you guys!
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| 12:18 | <Lns> th13f: LTSP5 is much, much different than 4.2. There are too many new features to list, and the chroot is completely distro-ized
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| 12:19 | <johnny> you could probabl trim it down
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| 12:20 | th13f, not works?
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| 12:20 | did you put it in the right place?
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| 12:20 | <Nubae> hmmm u mean like take sound out that kinda stuff?
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| 12:20 | <johnny> th13f, the real problem is that the overlying environments have gotten more complex..
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| 12:20 | <th13f> johnny: yeah. /var/lib ....
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| 12:20 | <johnny> and require more processing powers
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| 12:20 | <Nubae> bottleneck anyway on those machines is the ram, as they normally have a capacity for carrying max 500mb or something like that
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| 12:21 | * Lns wonders if anyone's made LTSP work with Damn Small Linux | |
| 12:21 | <th13f> Ok. thank you so much
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| 12:21 | * Nubae recently saw a totally text based linux version | |
| 12:21 | <alkisg> A client of mine has a 300MHz AMD, boots in 1 minute, and displays video fine with an S3 card
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| 12:22 | <Nubae> that would be cool to port
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| 12:22 | <th13f> LTSP 4.2 works with Ubuntu 8.04?
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| 12:22 | <johnny> no
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| 12:22 | 4.2 is dead
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| 12:22 | <th13f> johnny: just debian?
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| 12:22 | <johnny> unmaintained
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| 12:22 | i don't know if it's in new debian
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| 12:22 | <th13f> johnny: really?
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| 12:22 | <Nubae> all dead everywhere :-)
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| 12:22 | <johnny> nobody has worked on it in a long time
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| 12:22 | 2004
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| 12:22 | or something
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| 12:22 | <th13f> johnny: :O
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| 12:22 | johnny: so, how can a solve this?
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| 12:23 | <Lns> I'm sure it still *works*, you just have to make it work yourself hehe
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| 12:23 | <din_os> I am searching for a sort-of guide for localapps on 8.04. It seems 8.10 has got it easy with the ltsp-localapps script under /usr/doc/ltsp-server/examples... but that's missing in 8.04. any ideas?
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| 12:23 | <th13f> johnny: my client has 30 thin-clients 200mhz
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| 12:23 | <Nubae> first take put in direct X like he says
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| 12:23 | <johnny> din_os, it's not there for a reason
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| 12:23 | <th13f> Lns: yeah... I have 3 clients working on it
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| 12:23 | <johnny> din_os, at that time it wasn't ready
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| 12:23 | <Nubae> and see how much that speeds stuff up
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| 12:23 | <th13f> Nubae: 4 minutes to boot up
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| 12:23 | <johnny> din_os, it is much better in intrepid.. but still won't be awesome til jaunty
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| 12:23 | <th13f> Nubae: unusable
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| 12:23 | <Nubae> then start turning things off
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| 12:24 | <alkisg> th13f: you're on a 100mbps network?
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| 12:24 | <johnny> din_os, at the time.. no supporting scripts will work.. so adding that file won't help
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| 12:24 | <th13f> alkisg: yeah
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| 12:24 | <alkisg> Well, switching to something faster could reduse your boot time
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| 12:24 | <johnny> din_os, 8.04 was lts.. that's why it isn't in there
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| 12:24 | it was NOT ready
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| 12:24 | <din_os> johnny: oh, that was my next question :), so is there a way or should I just put intrepid?
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| 12:25 | <johnny> you could upgrade .. or perhaps just upgrade the ltsp packages from intrepid
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| 12:25 | <th13f> ok guys... I will think about this...
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| 12:25 | thank you so much
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| 12:25 | <alkisg> th13f: if you boot one client (not many at once), does it still need 5 minutes?
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| 12:26 | <din_os> johnny: that sounds interesting, but upgrading to new [distros?] was always buggy in ubuntu
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| 12:26 | <th13f> alkisg: yeah! just one client!
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| 12:26 | alkisg: 4 ou 5 minutes on ubuntu 8.04
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| 12:26 | <johnny> din_os, then wait til 9.04 comes out :)
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| 12:26 | <th13f> with ltsp 5
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| 12:27 | <din_os> johnny: you said not 'awesome' so, firefox with flash 10 is a no-no?
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| 12:27 | <alkisg> th13f: Ah, ok then. Are you sure directx is in effect? E.g. your lts.conf might be missing the [default] section or something...
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| 12:27 | <johnny> huh?
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| 12:28 | <th13f> alkisg: no. Its ok. /var/lib/tftpboot/... e /opt/ltsp/../lts.conf
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| 12:28 | and ltsp-update-image
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| 12:28 | <din_os> johnny: you said not awesome until jaunty... why is that?
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| 12:28 | <th13f> I did this in 2 way
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| 12:28 | <alkisg> th13f: ok, guess 200 MHz is very different than my 300Mhz, then
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| 12:29 | <th13f> alkisg: 300 mhz works well?
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| 12:29 | <alkisg> Yeah, fine, even with video and all
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| 12:29 | On 100mbps network with bonding (4 nics on the server) - 8 clients
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| 12:29 | <johnny> din_os, cuz it wasn't done yet!
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| 12:29 | din_os, it was still experimental on hardy
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| 12:30 | <Lns> alkisg: jeez, you're a bonding fiend! hehe
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| 12:30 | <alkisg> Hehe
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| 12:30 | <johnny> and still experimental on intrepid
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| 12:34 | <din_os> johnny: ok, thanks
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| 12:34 | * alkisg is really disappointed in vbox... no 3d acceleration is understandable, but no 2d acceleration?!!! :'( | |
| 12:34 | <dberkholz> have you installed the virtualbox X driver?
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| 12:35 | <alkisg> dberkholz: yes, they don't support 2d acceleration at all, they say it doesn't make sense in a virtualized environment
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| 12:35 | (scaling etc)
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| 12:36 | <ogra> alkisg, well, they are good if you want a differnt screensize than the vesa defaults
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| 12:37 | <alkisg> Yes, screensize, dhcp support, host networking etc are really good. But performance... not so good :)
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| 12:37 | <ogra> like, if i test ubuntu MID edition which runs at 800x480 i cant get that with vesa ... with the vbox drivers i can force widescreen resolutions like that
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| 12:37 | * ogra has never had preformance probs with vbox | |
| 12:37 | <alkisg> ogra: I think you can also do this without virtualbox drivers, no?
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| 12:38 | <ogra> nope
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| 12:38 | it only offers vesa modes then
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| 12:38 | <dberkholz> oh, does it just give you more resolution
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| 12:38 | <ogra> which dont include any smal screen wide modes
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| 12:38 | <alkisg> Hrm... I thought it added it to the bios list of vesa resolutions - without a driver
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| 12:39 | <ogra> vesa = 800x600 or 640x480 (and some smaller ones) ... if you have any weird thing inbetween you need the vbox drivers
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| 12:39 | (and indeed the bigger ones than 800x600 which i usually dont use in windowed mode)
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| 12:40 | <alkisg> ogra: but you don't actually use the vbox driver, you use vesa then... ???
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| 12:40 | <ogra> depends what i do
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| 12:40 | if i test ltsp i'm fine with vesa
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| 12:40 | <alkisg> " For guest operating systems with VirtualBox Guest Additions, a custom video mode
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| 12:40 | can be set using the video mode hint feature."
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| 12:41 | <ogra> if i test ubuntu MID for MID devices i need a matching screensize
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| 12:41 | <alkisg> No need to have guest additions for vesa modes...
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| 12:41 | <ogra> which usually doesnt match any vesa modes
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| 12:41 | <alkisg> Anyway.. :)
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| 12:41 | <ogra> MID devices have 320x240 or 800x480 modes
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| 12:42 | <alkisg> I understand the need for custom resolutions, I'm just saying that vbox inserts the resolution to the BIOS list of resolutions, so you don't need the guest additions to use it. Well, anyway, no big deal either way.
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| 12:43 | <ogra> hmm, i didnt know thats possible, i always install the vbox video driver and am done
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| 12:43 | <DarKnesS_WolF> somehting else i find a little bit strange ... nfsmounts.sh don't runn even it is in ltsp/ltsp.conf as i recall i had to put it into rc.local inside the fatclient ... also i am using NFS, but the NFS directory "/" always mounted ro only not rw even it is in /etc/exports on the host machine as rw ... is that common thing ? or i am missing something ?
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| 12:43 | <alkisg> ogra, see chapter "9.5 Custom VESA resolutions"
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| 12:43 | <ogra> the advantage is that my laptop touchscreen is directly usable in vbox
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| 12:44 | it gets handed through directly ...
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| 12:44 | which is very helpful for MID ;)
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| 13:02 | <xrmx> hi, my thin client hang when i press shutdown from ldm, ltsp5 / debian lenny
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| 13:03 | <Gadi> xrmx: has the server rebooted or the image updated at any point?
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| 13:03 | without the client being rebooted
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| 13:04 | <xrmx> Gadi: how can i check if the image has been updated? the server didn't reboot
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| 13:05 | <Gadi> if you ctrl-alt-f1 on the client, do you see any nbd error messages?
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| 13:05 | <xrmx> Gadi: debian is using nfs not nbd, and i cannot switch to terminal, the thin client hangs
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| 13:06 | <Gadi> ah
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| 13:06 | hmm
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| 13:06 | not sure, then
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| 13:07 | <DarKnesS_WolF> xrmx: dose ur / nfs mounted as ro only ?
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| 13:08 | <xrmx> DarKnesS_WolF: looks it is from /etc/exports: /opt/ltsp *(ro,no_root_squash,async,no_subtree_check)
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| 13:08 | <alkisg> xrmx: how old is the client? maybe it's a buggy acpi bios?
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| 13:09 | <xrmx> alkisg: it's a thincan dbe61 with coreboot
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| 13:10 | <ogra> the one without the power button *g*
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| 13:11 | <DarKnesS_WolF> xrmx: mm ihave rw and when i type mount on teh client i find it is still RO i had to mount the real LTSP server home dir :-s
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| 13:11 | <xrmx> ogra: yeah :(
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| 13:12 | <ogra> xrmx, you might have some success trying to install apmd (not that i tries but who knows, it probably reacts to apm commands)
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| 13:12 | *tried
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| 13:12 | <xrmx> DarKnesS_WolF: i think i'm not following
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| 13:12 | ogra: will try
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| 13:13 | <DarKnesS_WolF> xrmx: i have a ubuntu NFS installtion
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| 13:13 | on the server /etc/exports moutns the /opt/ltsp/amd64 with rw
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| 13:13 | <ogra> right, but you use a hacked up fat client variant
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| 13:13 | <DarKnesS_WolF> but when the thenclients boots it mounds the /opt/ltsp/amd64/ to / in ro mood
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| 13:14 | i don't know where exactly i can modife this option .
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| 13:14 | <Gadi> xrmx: the problem is the shutdown button from the greeter, right?
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| 13:14 | not the power button
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| 13:14 | <alkisg> xrmx: I've heard of people solving this problem (not on dbe61) by putting "DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img acpi=off apm=on apm=power_off" in "/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default"
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| 13:14 | <xrmx> Gadi: yes, i don't have power button :)
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| 13:14 | <Gadi> so this should have nothing to do with acpi
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| 13:14 | :)
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| 13:15 | <xrmx> Gadi: i've trid blacklisting acpi but mouse stopped working so it's a nogo for me
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| 13:15 | <ogra> Gadi, these things have no BIOS :)
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| 13:15 | <Gadi> wasn't there a whole to-do about the command used to poweroff from the shutdown button?
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| 13:15 | <ogra> so no acpu
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| 13:15 | s/u/i
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| 13:15 | <Gadi> ogra: ^^
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| 13:15 | <ogra> it saved them five bucks or so to go without BIOS
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| 13:16 | <Gadi> ie, halt vs. poweroff vs. shutdown
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| 13:16 | sounds to me like that's the issue
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| 13:16 | <xrmx> i've updated to latest x geode driver and installed apmd, now rebuilding the client
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| 13:16 | <Gadi> forget video drivers, acpi, apm, etc
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| 13:17 | this seems to have to do with the command used by the greeter to poweroff the client
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| 13:17 | <alkisg> Gadi, G2 and G3 power states are ACPI commands, aren't they? Or am I missing something?
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| 13:17 | E.g. I have a TC with a similar problem (very old bios) that shuts down fine with windows 98, but not with linux (all versions I've tried)
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| 13:18 | <Gadi> seems upstream uses: /sbin/poweroff -p
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| 13:18 | <ogra> that should be -fp
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| 13:18 | or -f only
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| 13:19 | <Gadi> well, it aint in upstream
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| 13:19 | :)
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| 13:19 | <ogra> it used to
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| 13:20 | poweroff -p tells shutdown (which is executed by poweroff) to call poweroff ...
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| 13:20 | <Gadi> so, in other words, sounds like currently it is using shutdown
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| 13:20 | <ogra> it was -fp for years since my first implementation of that menu
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| 13:20 | no idea who dropped the -f
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| 13:20 | <Gadi> dont look at me
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| 13:21 | <DarKnesS_WolF> Nubae: there man ?
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| 13:21 | <Gadi> :)
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| 13:21 | <ogra> -f means "dont call shutdown and do what i told you"
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| 13:21 | (you may add a "right now, damned!" if you like)
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| 13:22 | i think warren was fond of calling the full shutdown process, he might have "fixed" it
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| 13:26 | <Lns> I've been trying to figure out exactly what the diff is between halt and poweroff (to a non-sparc type station anyway). I have 'halt' in my TC cron to shut down automatically
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| 13:26 | <xrmx> shutdown with xfce rebooted the server :|
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| 13:27 | <Lns> all the man pages point to shutdown
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| 13:28 | <ogra> xrmx, known xfce bug
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| 13:29 | <xrmx> ogra: does upstream acknowledged the bug?
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| 13:29 | <ogra> the xubuntu team knows abut that since years
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| 13:29 | xrmx, i doubt they forwarded it upstream
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| 13:29 | but i filed it about 2 years ago, nobody cared
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| 13:30 | <xrmx> ogra: do you know if lxde works fine?
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| 13:30 | <ogra> no idea
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| 13:30 | but afaik its missing a lot in ubuntu anyway
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| 13:31 | <xrmx> which desktop do you use usually?
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| 13:31 | <ogra> ubuntu ;)
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| 13:31 | but i dont do much with ltsp anymore
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| 13:32 | but given tht i had to make sure ltsp works with the default desktop for quite some time i only used that
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| 13:33 | <DarKnesS_WolF> ogra: ok when the ltsp fatclinets boot from where it do get the fstab content ? i mean from where it do mount the / with it is options ?
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| 13:33 | may be i am looking at the wrong direction
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| 13:33 | <ogra> DarKnesS_WolF, no idea i never looked closely at the fat client hack
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| 13:34 | nubae hacked that together himself, ask him
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| 13:34 | <Lns> DarKnesS_WolF: ask Nubae
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| 13:34 | <DarKnesS_WolF> yes i know but seems he is sleep ;0
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| 13:34 | :)
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| 13:34 | will get him tomorrow or so
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| 13:34 | <ogra> he wasnt around for a while i think
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| 13:34 | !seen nubae
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| 13:34 | <ltspbot> ogra: nubae was last seen in #ltsp 1 hour, 10 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <Nubae> then start turning things off
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| 13:34 | <ogra> oh, i'm wrong :)
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| 13:35 | <DarKnesS_WolF> :)
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| 13:35 | <knipwim> DarKnesS_WolF: i read your issue
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| 13:35 | about the ro nfs mount to /
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| 13:35 | <DarKnesS_WolF> i liked the idea of fatclient alot .. i have very powerfull machines and all i need is single point of mangment for users / packages and using this power so fatclient was exactly what i am looking for..
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| 13:36 | knipwim: okay go on
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| 13:36 | <knipwim> i have /opt/ltsp/x86 192.168.0.54(rw,sync,no_root_squash,no_subtree_check) in /etc/exports
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| 13:36 | <DarKnesS_WolF> okay ?
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| 13:36 | <knipwim> and 192.168.0.52:/opt/ltsp/x86 / nfs sync,hard,intr,rw,nolock,rsize=8192,wsize=8192 0 0
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| 13:36 | in fstab
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| 13:37 | <DarKnesS_WolF> fstab of the thinclient and /etc/exports of the ltsp machine right ?
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| 13:37 | <knipwim> yes
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| 13:37 | and mine also mounts ro :(
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| 13:37 | <DarKnesS_WolF> lol
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| 13:37 | <Gadi> guys, it exports as ro
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| 13:37 | you dont want rw rootfs
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| 13:38 | <DarKnesS_WolF> Gadi: i find it makes sense .. but i thought i have something wrong a problem or so .
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| 13:38 | Gadi: ok i have /scripts/nfsmounds.sh and it is not running by default i had to put it in rc.local of the client.
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| 13:38 | <ogra> isnt nubaes script designed for nbd anyway ?
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| 13:38 | <DarKnesS_WolF> i still can chroot and do what i want in the client anyway ..
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| 13:38 | ogra: yes
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| 13:39 | <ogra> i wonder how much work or testing he actually put into nfs
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| 13:39 | <DarKnesS_WolF> but i used a script nbd 2 nfs from UbuntuLTSPDevlopemnetEnv. i think
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| 13:39 | <ogra> since he focuses on nbd
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| 13:39 | <Gadi> nfs uses bindmounts, no?
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| 13:39 | <ogra> yes
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| 13:39 | <Bugs_BunnyBR> someone can tell me if is possible use ldm on scrren01 in the lts.conf?? I am trying here..but the machine doesnot start the login scrren
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| 13:39 | <DarKnesS_WolF> and it works fine. i hated the idea of nbd to rebuild hte img and reboot the clients not gonna work for me at all.
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| 13:39 | <ogra> which means it has to be ro
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| 13:39 | <Gadi> I would imagine nothing but problems with fatclient then
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| 13:40 | <ogra> Bugs_BunnyBR, depends on your distro
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| 13:40 | <DarKnesS_WolF> no guys it do works fine.
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| 13:40 | <ogra> Gadi, yeah
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| 13:40 | DarKnesS_WolF, how long have you run that setup in production yet
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| 13:40 | <DarKnesS_WolF> ok something else i can have multu ltsp images of distros on teh same server?
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| 13:41 | ogra: not in prduction yet :)
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| 13:41 | but been playing with it testing for like 3 days.
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| 13:41 | <Bugs_BunnyBR> kubuntu
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| 13:41 | <ogra> DarKnesS_WolF, how do you know it works fine then =
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| 13:41 | <Bugs_BunnyBR> kubuntu 8.10
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| 13:41 | <ogra> DarKnesS_WolF, the clients will start to write concurring stuff into your nfs root on the server
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| 13:41 | if they are able to all mount the same root rw
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| 13:42 | <DarKnesS_WolF> that is why it should be ro ?
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| 13:42 | <ogra> that will become intresting after some days with several users
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| 13:42 | right
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| 13:42 | the client side then merges the ro root from the server with a tmpfs in ram
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| 13:42 | <DarKnesS_WolF> actually when i thought about it .. i don't want the user to write anything but there home dir.
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| 13:42 | <Bugs_BunnyBR> ogra: My you help me?
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| 13:42 | May*
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| 13:43 | <ogra> so things the client writes end up in the tmpfs overlay and not in the actual root on the server
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| 13:43 | <DarKnesS_WolF> ic
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| 13:43 | <ogra> Bugs_BunnyBR, ubuntu (and kubuntu as well) uses upstart, upstart needs the first tty for its console
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| 13:43 | so you cant use SCREEN_01 for ldm
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| 13:44 | that will change in later releases and is a known limitation of upstart
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| 13:44 | <DarKnesS_WolF> next step is to install another LTSP imgs on the same machine.. and then also pxeboot.cfg modifcations.
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| 13:44 | <ogra> for now you need to use SCREEN_02 or bigger
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| 13:45 | <Bugs_BunnyBR> thanks a lot
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| 13:46 | Just one thing more..Do you know when you be that release?
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| 13:46 | when will be ***
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| 13:46 | <ogra> no, it might be that it can work with 9.04 but i'm not sure
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| 13:46 | <Bugs_BunnyBR> thanks again
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| 13:47 | <Gadi> Bugs_BunnyBR: btw: personally, I have had no issues on Ubuntu by simply deleting upstart's tty1
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| 13:47 | <Bugs_BunnyBR> Do you know if exists any configurator to the ltsp 5.0 ?? I am working in one
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| 13:47 | <Gadi> :)
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| 13:47 | <ogra> Gadi, well, you need to hack up the code to allow it though
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| 13:47 | <Gadi> but, ogra will tell me I play with fire
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| 13:48 | <ogra> not at all, i just listen to upstart upstream :P
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| 13:48 | <Gadi> you believe everything you hear?
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| 13:48 | <ogra> if it works for you, thats fine
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| 13:48 | <Gadi> Ive got a bridge to sell u
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| 13:48 | :D
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| 13:48 | <ogra> but dont call if it fails :P
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| 13:48 | <Gadi> as if you would answer if I called...
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| 13:49 | <ogra> well, you never tried so i cant tell yet if i would pick up :)
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| 13:49 | <DarKnesS_WolF> ok guys have a good time.
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| 13:49 | good night.
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| 13:49 | <Gadi> we always do
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| 13:49 | Lns: ping
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| 13:50 | <Lns> Gadi: pong
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| 13:50 | <Gadi> so, talk to me about this whole libX11 thing
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| 13:50 | <Lns> ugh
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| 13:50 | hehe.. ok
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| 13:50 | <Gadi> when you do your non-xcb workaround, do you find improved performance on all X apps?
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| 13:50 | in addition to Java
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| 13:50 | <Lns> Gadi: no, just java.
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| 13:50 | <Bugs_BunnyBR> well..I had made my wizard to set ldm in the scrren01..but I will change..after the carnaval, I will be here again to show my web wizard to the 5.0
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| 13:50 | <Lns> it's just java i was having issues with.
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| 13:50 | * ogra guesses only on the ones using xcb :) | |
| 13:51 | <Lns> ogra: ;)
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| 13:51 | <Gadi> ogra: it is libX11 that is compiled against libxcb
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| 13:51 | <ogra> right, but not all apps use xcb dependedn functions
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| 13:51 | evo does afaik
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| 13:51 | and firefox *might* i'm not sure
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| 13:52 | java definately does, thats an old known bug
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| 13:52 | <Gadi> Lns: do you see improvements in evo and firefox, as well?
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| 13:52 | <Lns> Gadi: not to my knowledge, no. It was *only* TypingMaster (our web based typing tutor, based on Java)
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| 13:53 | Gadi: and others reported improvement when using the same workaround for other java apps
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| 13:53 | <ogra> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xcb/+bug/88815
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| 13:53 | <Lns> ogra: hmmmmm
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| 13:54 | <Gadi> Im just curious because it definitely seems like Intrepid's X environment is sluggish in the rendering department remotely compared to gutsy
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| 13:54 | <ogra> xcb was an upstream change iirc
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| 13:55 | so you should see it on fedora 8 vs 10 as well
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| 13:55 | <Lns> lemme try and dig up my conv. w/xcb ppl here
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| 13:55 | <Gadi> ogra: im not blaming anyone - simply using the distros as time markers
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| 13:55 | :)
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| 13:55 | <ogra> yeah, i didnt feel blamed :)
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| 13:55 | <Lns> heh..nm, there was no conversation (they never responded to me)
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| 13:56 | <ogra> but it would give some indication if someone could try fedora vs ubuntu n this regard
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| 13:56 | <Gadi> I know that this xcb thing + pixmap caching bonanza of modern apps may be the cause of 99% of the pain
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| 13:56 | <ogra> yeah
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| 13:56 | <Lns> yes
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| 13:56 | that's all the heat i'm getting from the schools
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| 13:56 | <Gadi> some drivers allow you to disable pixmap caching
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| 13:56 | but not all
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| 13:56 | and I don't have any such drivers
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| 13:57 | <ogra> well, teach the app upstreams :)
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| 13:57 | with a club
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| 13:57 | <Gadi> hmm...
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| 13:57 | <Lns> I read a list post (after hours of searching different threads) that said something about being able to make an x11 extension to intercept pixmap calls
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| 13:58 | <Gadi> would VideoMem restrict the pixmap cache memory?
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| 13:58 | <Lns> I still want to know why clients crash when pixmap mem is exausted, even when you have swap enabled
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| 13:59 | at least nbd_swap in my cases
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| 14:00 | <Gadi> Lns: do they hard lock or do they logout?
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| 14:00 | <Lns> Gadi: hard lock
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| 14:00 | <ogra> are you sure ?
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| 14:00 | <Lns> i don't normally use x_ramperc lts.conf option
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| 14:00 | <ogra> how long did you wait
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| 14:00 | nbd swapping is lots and lots slower than normal swapping
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| 14:00 | <Lns> ogra: not sure, it's always just been reported to me
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| 14:01 | but they can't ctrl+alt+backspace
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| 14:01 | i'm sure it was probably at least a minute or two
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| 14:01 | <ogra> nbd swap is essentially only there for being able to save your work if something goes wrong
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| 14:01 | <Lns> ogra: ?
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| 14:02 | <ogra> but you likely have to wait quite some time for the system to get responsive again if oyu hit the swap
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| 14:02 | <Lns> if "something goes wrong" you don't pick up the same swapfile after reboot right?
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| 14:02 | <ogra> if something goes wrong == if you run out of ram
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| 14:02 | <Lns> so it's basically there to reorder ram..?
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| 14:02 | <ogra> no
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| 14:03 | its there as a safety net so you can click on save on openoffice after having waited 30min if the system ran out of ram
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| 14:03 | <Lns> i was always under the impression that nbd_swap was pretty efficient
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| 14:03 | that's what the docs say anyway iirc
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| 14:03 | <ogra> its way to slow to be used for real swapping
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| 14:03 | you swap over a saturated network
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| 14:03 | uncompressed
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| 14:04 | its effective if you swap to a tmpfs on the server with two or three clients on your network
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| 14:04 | but if you use it in a bigger setup it wont be helpful
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| 14:05 | only for the safety net usecase
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| 14:05 | <Lns> for waiting 30min? hehe
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| 14:05 | well i do know that after enabling nbd_swap, many schools stopped reporting so many crashes
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| 14:05 | <ogra> well, if you would lose the work of a day 30min are helpful
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| 14:05 | <CAN-o-SPAM_> ogra: finally got an e-mail, thanks.
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| 14:06 | <ogra> CAN-o-SPAM_, yeah, i poked him again
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| 14:06 | CAN-o-SPAM_, i said you knocked on my door and had money in your hands ... that made him listen up :P
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| 14:07 | <ogra> (indeed i didnt :) )
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| 14:08 | <CAN-o-SPAM_> haha
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| 14:10 | To All: New Thin Clients from DisklessWorkstations.com -> http://news.yahoo.com/s/prweb/20090218/bs_prweb/prweb2109494;_ylt=AlS9DYukBo80B0PkThphJ6LNybYF
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| 14:10 | <ogra> CAN-o-SPAM_, pfft get something ARM based out ... ATOM is dead :)
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| 14:11 | <Lns> CAN-o-SPAM_: nice!!
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| 14:11 | <ogra> ARM coretex-a8 is the future
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| 14:11 | <CAN-o-SPAM_> ogra: you wouldn't be slightly biased given your latest work would you?
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| 14:11 | <ogra> heh :)
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| 14:11 | <johnny> CAN-o-SPAM_, i really personally want an arm lappy
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| 14:11 | <ogra> well, ARMs use 10% of the power the ATOM uses
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| 14:12 | <CAN-o-SPAM_> although i am very interested in the ARM
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| 14:12 | <ogra> while giving you the same performance
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| 14:12 | <CAN-o-SPAM_> and then after the ARM comes the new chipset from Via ... the Nano
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| 14:12 | <johnny> somebody make me one with no legacy ports, no optical drive, and a bunch of usb ports :)
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| 14:12 | that's still x86 tho from via right?
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| 14:12 | <CAN-o-SPAM_> johnny: not sure, i haven't read up on it recently
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| 14:12 | <ogra> there are 256M beagleboards to come out in march ... put them in a case, add a USB hub and you are in business
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| 14:13 | <Lns> CAN-o-SPAM_: what's that thin slot in the front? mini-cd/dvd?
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| 14:13 | <CAN-o-SPAM_> smart card
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| 14:13 | <Lns> ah
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| 14:13 | <johnny> ogra, i'd like something a bit more integrated.. :)
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| 14:13 | <Lns> ltsp != smartcard compliant (yet) right?
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| 14:13 | <johnny> altho a beaglboard would be useful for lots of things
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| 14:13 | Lns, wouldn't be too hard for a dedicated person i bet
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| 14:14 | <Lns> that would be sooo slick
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| 14:14 | or even usb stick auth
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| 14:14 | ssh privkey auth via hotplug usb stick..mmmm *drool*
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| 14:14 | <CAN-o-SPAM_> Lns: Gadi may hve something for smartcard + ltsp
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| 14:15 | <ogra> johnny, well, you could buy some TI board, they usually have onboard NICs etc but then the price raises
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| 14:15 | <johnny> i'm trying to understand what value i could get from somethign in the range of $400
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| 14:16 | <ogra> a beagle plus usb NIC plus hub plus case will cost you about $150 if you buy it in a greater amount
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| 14:16 | <johnny> huh.. nic? seems like it could be onboard easily..
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| 14:16 | soc stuff
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| 14:16 | <ogra> i.e. if you are somene like disklessworkstations.com
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| 14:16 | sure, but it isnt
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| 14:16 | <johnny> then this isn't the right product
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| 14:17 | <Gadi> Lns: I am recompiling libX11 on intrepid without xcb
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| 14:17 | <johnny> somebody will make this mythical laptop
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| 14:17 | <ogra> the beagle is a good core to create someting around it
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| 14:17 | <Gadi> will see how it goes
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| 14:17 | <Lns> Gadi: wow, nice. thanks :)
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| 14:17 | <johnny> ogra, it also needs expandable memory..
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| 14:17 | up to 1G
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| 14:17 | <ogra> these laptops will come soon as well
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| 14:17 | <johnny> i'm sure
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| 14:17 | <ogra> johnny, for a thin client ?
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| 14:17 | <johnny> i just hope the economy doesn't stop it
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| 14:17 | no..
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| 14:17 | <Gadi> well, at least it'll be a somewhat proper intrepid package
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| 14:17 | :)
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| 14:17 | <johnny> not thin client.. a laptop
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| 14:18 | <ogra> right for a lappie you want 512M at least
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| 14:18 | <johnny> gimme gimme
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| 14:18 | hehe
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| 14:18 | <ogra> though having that exapandable in the light of how ARMs are designed usually is a bit tricky
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| 14:18 | <johnny> well.. just throw 2G in there then :)
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| 14:18 | i'll be Ok for a few years :)
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| 14:18 | <ogra> on three out of five arm boards i have the ram is soldered below the CPU CIE
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| 14:19 | <johnny> sure.. solder 2G in there :)
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| 14:19 | <CAN-o-SPAM_> say again ... soldered?
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| 14:19 | <ogra> yep
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| 14:19 | <CAN-o-SPAM_> is there another slot? or no?
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| 14:19 | <johnny> i'll turn off the disk and run off of ram :)
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| 14:19 | hehe
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| 14:19 | <ogra> the CPU sits on top of the RAM chips, completely covering it
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| 14:20 | i have ARM boards that arent bigger than an intel CPU
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| 14:20 | <Gadi> man, who made that engineering decision?
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| 14:20 | <CAN-o-SPAM_> gadi: thats what i'm thinkin
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| 14:20 | ogra: got any extras you wanna ship out?
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| 14:20 | * Gadi thinks he misreads "on top" | |
| 14:20 | <ogra> the CPU is so cheap that you replace it *with the ram* on upgrade
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| 14:21 | <stgraber> Gadi: hmm, some changes to X01-localapps broke group name containing spaces again ...
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| 14:21 | <ogra> i.e. you usually have a daughterboard for the peripherials
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| 14:21 | <CAN-o-SPAM_> so my youtube ad will be someone smashing their arm TC w/ a hammer and then grabbing a new one off the shelf?
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| 14:21 | * Gadi worries more about dissepating the mem chip heat | |
| 14:21 | <Gadi> stgraber: are you serious?
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| 14:21 | wth
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| 14:21 | <stgraber> Gadi: yeah ...
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| 14:21 | <ogra> Gadi, i can hold a 800MHz ONAP3 between my thumb and index finger while its running
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| 14:22 | <stgraber> Gadi: my user is in "Domain Admins" and the usermod is: usermod -G audio,video,fuse,Domains sgraber
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| 14:22 | *Domain
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| 14:22 | <johnny> so.. is there a comparison between what 800mhz really means in x86 terms?
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| 14:22 | <Gadi> *sigh*
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| 14:22 | <stgraber> so the Admins part got lost somewhere
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| 14:22 | <ogra> johnny, 800MHz
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| 14:22 | <stgraber> making usermod to fail and I end up being in no group at all
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| 14:22 | <johnny> stgraber, you ate em
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| 14:22 | <Gadi> I wish we would stop cleaning code...
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| 14:22 | <ogra> johnny, its the same
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| 14:22 | <johnny> we really need to put a lease on that stephane character..
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| 14:22 | leash*
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| 14:23 | he's eating up all the admins
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| 14:23 | <Lns> oh noes, all my lolcatz!
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| 14:23 | <ogra> a lease, eh ? lease a stephane to do your dishes ?
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| 14:23 | <johnny> leash* ogra .. :)
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| 14:23 | <ogra> :P
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| 14:23 | <johnny> but sure. we can lease him for work too
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| 14:23 | why not
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| 14:24 | i'm sure other people want their admins eaten.. especially in a windows company :)
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| 14:24 | hehe
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| 14:24 | windows using*
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| 14:24 | <Gadi> stgraber: found it
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| 14:24 | it was that change we made for warren way back when
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| 14:24 | <stgraber> Gadi: oh, you're fast :)
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| 14:24 | <Gadi> the id line
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| 14:25 | we take the third field, which of course is not the right one
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| 14:25 | * Gadi will fix the regexp | |
| 14:25 | <stgraber> Gadi: what should we take instead ? I have a thin client next to me so I can easily test it :)
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| 14:26 | <Gadi> one sec
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| 14:26 | <warren> what?
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| 14:26 | Gadi: what is?
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| 14:28 | <Gadi> warren, good ur here
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| 14:28 | I actually need you to test something for me
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| 14:28 | <warren> ?
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| 14:29 | <Gadi> /usr/bin/id | sed -e 's/^.*groups=//'|cut -d= -f2|sed -e 's/[0-9]*(//g' -e 's/)//g'
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| 14:29 | waht do you get?
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| 14:29 | <warren> /usr/bin/id | sed -e 's/^.*groups=//'|cut -d= -f2|sed -e 's/[0-9]*(//g' -e 's/)//g'
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| 14:29 | unconfined_u:unconfined_r:unconfined_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023
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| 14:29 | [warren@newcaprica pw]$ /usr/bin/id
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| 14:29 | uid=500(warren) gid=500(warren) groups=492(mock),500(warren) context=unconfined_u:unconfined_r:unconfined_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023
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| 14:29 | <Gadi> thats what I was afraid of
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| 14:29 | ah, thats the string I need
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| 14:29 | :)
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| 14:29 | thx
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| 14:29 | <warren> Gadi: stop trying to pull out parameters by number, you need to actually parse it
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| 14:29 | gid= groups= etc.
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| 14:30 | <Gadi> yes, yes - the difficulty is distinguishing between group names with spaces and arguments
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| 14:30 | <warren> Gadi: then you need a real parser, not just delimiter chopping
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| 14:31 | <Gadi> thats what im workin on
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| 14:31 | but, thx
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| 14:31 | :)
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| 14:31 | <warren> ok cool
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| 14:31 | thanks for asking
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| 14:31 | please e-mail in the future, I can't hang out here 24/7 anymore
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| 14:31 | <johnny> wuh wuh wuh warren
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| 14:38 | <Gadi> ok, so its not a full parser, but try this one, warren: id | sed -e 's/^.*groups=//' -e 's/) .*$/)/'|cut -d= -f2|sed -e 's/[0-9]*(//g' -e 's/)//g'
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| 14:39 | <warren> id | sed -e 's/^.*groups=//' -e 's/) .*$/)/'|cut -d= -f2|sed -e 's/[0-9]*(//g' -e 's/)//g'
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| 14:39 | mock,warren
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| 14:39 | <Gadi> beautiful
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| 14:39 | thx
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| 14:40 | <warren> Gadi: be sure you make sure it works for both the read-only root case that you might not normally test.
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| 14:40 | Gadi: (added for Debian and Fedora)
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| 14:40 | <Gadi> u bet
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| 14:41 | <_UsUrPeR_> has anyone had a chance to use the new via beta drivers for ubuntu 8.10 over at http://linux.via.com.tw/support/downloadFiles.action?
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| 14:44 | <skeemer> hi, i'm having trouble figuring out how to change the display manager. i thought i could just change the .desktop file used in gdm.conf, but that doesn't seem to work
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| 14:44 | * ogra guesses skeemer means the session manager :) | |
| 14:44 | <stgraber> warren: so id | sed -e 's/^.*groups=//' -e 's/) .*$/)/'|cut -d= -f2|sed -e 's/[0-9]*(//g' -e 's/)//g' should work ?
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| 14:45 | s/warren/Gadi/ :)
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| 14:45 | <Gadi> stgraber: just pushed
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| 14:45 | try that
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| 14:45 | <stgraber> Gadi: cool, thanks
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| 14:45 | <skeemer> ogra, actually, i'm totally confused at this point. isn't gdm what takes care of the login?
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| 14:45 | <ogra> no
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| 14:45 | ldm
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| 14:46 | <skeemer> how do i change the default session in that?
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| 14:47 | <stgraber> Gadi: you sure it works ? :)
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| 14:49 | <Gadi> what's that supposed to mean?
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| 14:49 | :)
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| 14:49 | test it
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| 14:49 | <stgraber> well, I'm still not in Domain admins and I'm in none of my pam_group groups so ...
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| 14:49 | I'll patch in the chroot and reboot just to be sure
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| 14:50 | <Gadi> you used the file I just pushed?
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| 14:50 | or your own edit?
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| 14:50 | <stgraber> edit with what I saw on IRC
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| 14:50 | <Gadi> what do you get with: id|sed -e 's/^.*groups=//' -e 's/) .*$/)/'|cut -d= -f2|sed -e 's/[0-9]*(//g' -e 's/)//g'
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| 14:50 | on the server?
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| 14:51 | <stgraber> audio,video,fuse,employes,Domain Admins,sysadmin,develhosts,infrastructure,Zimbrapro
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| 14:52 | <Gadi> that looks good
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| 14:52 | :)
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| 14:53 | <stgraber> so looks fine, I just don't get why it doesn't work on the thin client :)
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| 14:53 | will just do it the Windows way and reboot the thin client
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| 14:54 | <alkisg> I don't know if that makes any difference, but the above line doens't work if locale=el
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| 14:54 | <Gadi> stgraber: this looks bad: ssh -S ${LDM_SOCKET} ${LDM_SERVER} LANG=C getent group $(echo $myGroups | tr ',' ' ') >> ${COMBINED_GROUP}
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| 14:54 | <stgraber> alkisg: no, we do LANG=C in ltsp
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| 14:54 | <alkisg> ok
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| 14:54 | But why don't you use id -Gn ?
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| 14:55 | <Gadi> alkisg: becaus you cannot parse it for groups with spaces
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| 14:55 | $ id -Gn
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| 14:55 | Domain Users fuse admin sambashare Domain Admins
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| 14:55 | <alkisg> Ah, -Gn is silly then
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| 14:57 | <stgraber> Gadi: reboot didn't help, it's still broken
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| 14:57 | <Gadi> your getent group call is prolly failing
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| 14:57 | see above
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| 14:57 | I bet you dont have the groups in the group file
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| 14:57 | <stgraber> Gadi: indeed
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| 14:58 | <stgraber> Server: audio,video,fuse,employes,Domain Admins,sysadmin,develhosts,infrastructure,Zimbrapro
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| 14:58 | <alkisg> How about this? getent group `id -G`|awk -F ':' '{print $1}'
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| 14:58 | <stgraber> Client: employes, sysadmin,develhosts,infrastructure,Zimbrapro
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| 14:59 | audio,video,fuse are the pam_group ones
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| 14:59 | <Gadi> stgraber: I just need to fix your tr
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| 14:59 | one sec
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| 15:02 | <skeemer> how do i change the default xsession? i'm trying to just run firefox in kiosk mode without using resources up running all the other junk. i've created a firefox.desktop file that works, but i can't seem to make it the default session
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| 15:09 | <sistemas> hi
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| 15:09 | jimm are you here?
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| 15:09 | please i need help with ltsp5
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| 15:09 | i was working with ltsp4 but now im installing a new server
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| 15:09 | but i can't log in
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| 15:10 | look i have opensuse 10.1
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| 15:10 | ummm 11.1
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| 15:10 | sorry
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| 15:10 | and i have downloaded and installed ltsp5
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| 15:10 | <Gadi> stgraber: pushed
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| 15:10 | try that
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| 15:10 | <sistemas> i run kiwi-ltsp
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| 15:10 | and i read howto
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| 15:11 | clients run fine
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| 15:11 | <sistemas> boot fine
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| 15:11 | and i can see X client running
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| 15:11 | and it ask me a user and a password
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| 15:11 | but it can log in
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| 15:12 | i just have 2 user
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| 15:12 | root and usuer
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| 15:12 | password is fine
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| 15:12 | but a caple of days ago it worked fine
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| 15:13 | i dont know what is the config file that i have to change
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| 15:13 | becouse i think this client is trying to autenticathe into another server and not from the ltsp server
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| 15:13 | someone can help me?
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| 15:15 | <Gadi> sistemas: you prolly want either cyberorg or someone in #kiwi-ltsp
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| 15:15 | the rest of us know very little about kiwi-ltsp
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| 15:15 | or, at least I do
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| 15:15 | :)
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| 15:16 | <sistemas> what is the differente between kiwi and ltsp
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| 15:17 | join #kiwi-ltsp
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| 15:17 | <skeemer> can anyone help me of should i check back later?
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| 15:18 | <stgraber> Gadi: trying
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| 15:18 | <Gadi> skeemer: you could create a .xsession file in the user directory, I think
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| 15:19 | <skeemer> Gadi: i need a global solution
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| 15:19 | <Gadi> you want all the users to use firefox?
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| 15:19 | <skeemer> atleast 90%
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| 15:19 | <Gadi> if that is the case, then make a .xsession-like script file somewhere
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| 15:19 | and in lts.conf pass...
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| 15:20 | what was:
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| 15:20 | LDM_REMOTECMD
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| 15:20 | something like that
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| 15:20 | I need to check
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| 15:20 | <stgraber> Gadi: hmm, now I'm in no group at all :)
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| 15:20 | <Gadi> awesome
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| 15:20 | <stgraber> my primary group doesn't even exist :)
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| 15:21 | <skeemer> Gadi: there's no conf file for ldm?
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| 15:21 | <Gadi> no
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| 15:21 | lts.conf
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| 15:22 | <skeemer> do i have to create that? the one in etc said not to put stuff there anymore
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| 15:23 | <Gadi> ah, well upstream has:
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| 15:23 | LDM_XSESSION
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| 15:23 | and LDM_SESSION
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| 15:23 | that's probably what you want
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| 15:24 | what distro are you on?
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| 15:24 | <skeemer> latest ubuntu, iberson or whatever that bird is
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| 15:24 | <Gadi> lol
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| 15:24 | and just to be clear, you are running your own xsession script (perhaps with minimal window manager, firefox, etc)
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| 15:25 | <_UsUrPeR_> ogra: ping
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| 15:25 | <Gadi> are you sure you want to run it on the server and not on the client?
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| 15:25 | <Gadi> you'd get much better performance on the client
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| 15:25 | <skeemer> Gadi: ok.. what's involved in that?
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| 15:26 | <Gadi> well, with that, you would install anything you need in the chroot
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| 15:26 | sudo /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 15:26 | export LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS=False
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| 15:26 | apt-get update
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| 15:26 | apt-get install ....
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| 15:27 | then, create a "screen script" under the chroot's /usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/directory
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| 15:27 | oops
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| 15:27 | /usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/ dir
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| 15:27 | (you can copy the rdesktop one as a template)
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| 15:27 | run your script from xinit
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| 15:27 | <skeemer> ahh, ok
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| 15:28 | <Gadi> and in lts.conf, set SCREEN_07="myScreenScript"
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| 15:28 | and off you go
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| 15:28 | <skeemer> would that mean that i wouldn't be able to choose a different session at the login screen?
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| 15:29 | <Gadi> you wouldnt have a login screen
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| 15:29 | it would just run your session
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| 15:29 | <skeemer> ahhh, ok
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| 15:29 | ic
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| 15:29 | <Gadi> and run it as root on the client
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| 15:29 | :)
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| 15:29 | <skeemer> what if i have a couple terminals that i need to run normal?
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| 15:30 | <Gadi> create an lts.conf
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| 15:30 | and make sections for those terminals
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| 15:30 | in which you specify: SCREEN_07=ldm
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| 15:30 | <skeemer> ic
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| 15:30 | * Lns used to have a screen that launched Zork :p | |
| 15:31 | <Gadi> its a bit of fiddling, but firefox on the client performs much better than firefox on the server
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| 15:31 | read: flash, java
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| 15:31 | <warren> Anyone know if Geode NX is used by anything?
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| 15:31 | <Gadi> warren: not much that Im aware of
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| 15:31 | its also EOL
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| 15:31 | <skeemer> Gadi: would that include the new $109 ones?
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| 15:32 | <Gadi> $109 whats?
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| 15:32 | <stgraber> Gadi: so, any idea ? :)
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| 15:32 | <skeemer> diskless-workstation boxes
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| 15:32 | <warren> I have a Geode NX motherboard with SiS video and RAM. I'm throwing it away unless somebody wants it.
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| 15:32 | No idea if it works.
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| 15:33 | <Gadi> stgraber: its definitely this line:
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| 15:33 | ssh -S ${LDM_SOCKET} ${LDM_SERVER} LANG=C getent group $(echo $myGroups | sed -e "s/^/\\\'/" -e "s/$/\\\'/" -e "s/,/\\\' \\\'/g") >> ${COMBINED_GROUP}
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| 15:33 | stgraber: on your server can you try:
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| 15:33 | ssh localhost LANG=C getent group $(echo $myGroups | sed -e "s/^/\\\'/" -e "s/$/\\\'/" -e "s/,/\\\' \\\'/g")
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| 15:34 | oh, of course you need to define myGroups
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| 15:34 | :)
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| 15:36 | stgraber: try this one
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| 15:37 | I may have been doing too much in one step
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| 15:37 | (pushed)
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| 15:45 | <stgraber> Gadi: trying now
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| 15:45 | <skeemer> Gadi: why SCREEN_07?
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| 15:45 | <stgraber> Gadi: still no group
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| 15:47 | <Gadi> stgraber: well, this time you have a variable to look at: myGroups_quoted
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| 15:48 | <stgraber> \'audio\' \'video\' \'fuse\' \'employes\' \'Domain Admins\' \'sysadmin\' \'develhosts\' \'infrastructure\' \'Zimbrapro\'
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| 15:48 | <Gadi> good
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| 15:48 | thats right
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| 15:49 | (ssh needs the escapes)
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| 15:49 | can you see if you have the groups
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| 15:49 | <stgraber> I don't have any
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| 15:50 | <Gadi> in groups.combined?
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| 15:50 | is there a: /var/cache/ltsp-localapps/group.combined?
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| 15:51 | <stgraber> yes
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| 15:51 | the output of ssh -S /var/run/ldm_socket_10742_10.145.2.111 10.145.2.111 LANG=C getent group \'audio\' \'video\' \'fuse\' \'employes\' \'Domain Admins\' \'sysadmin\' \'develhosts\' \'infrastructure\' \'Zimbrapro\'
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| 15:51 | seems correct
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| 15:52 | root@ltsp69:~# cat /var/cache/ltsp-localapps/group.combined | grep sgraber
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| 15:52 | root@ltsp69:~#
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| 15:53 | <Gadi> dont you mean stgraber?
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| 15:53 | <stgraber> no, my username at the office is sgraber
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| 15:53 | <Gadi> ah
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| 15:53 | how about: grep "Domain Admins" /var/cache/ltsp-localapps/group.combined
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| 15:54 | <stgraber> hmm, it's not only broken for users in groups containing a space, it's now broken for everyone :)
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| 15:55 | root@ltsp69:~# grep Domain /var/cache/ltsp-localapps/group.combined
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| 15:55 | root@ltsp69:~#
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| 15:55 | <Gadi> good -we're getting somewhere
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| 15:56 | try this:
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| 15:56 | change:
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| 15:56 | ssh -S ${LDM_SOCKET} ${LDM_SERVER} LANG=C getent group ${myGroups_quoted} >> ${COMBINED_GROUP}
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| 15:56 | to:
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| 15:56 | ssh -S ${LDM_SOCKET} ${LDM_SERVER} "LANG=C getent group ${myGroups_quoted}" >> ${COMBINED_GROUP}
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| 15:57 | <sistemas> please i cant login X
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| 15:57 | help
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| 15:57 | <stgraber> Gadi: no change
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| 15:57 | <Gadi> stgraber: is your /etc/group screwed up atm?
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| 15:57 | that could be the problem
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| 15:58 | make sure you start with fresh /etc/group
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| 15:58 | <stgraber> well, after login sure :)
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| 15:58 | I'll see if it gets restored after logout
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| 15:58 | <sistemas> what file must i change to login with one or another server
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| 15:58 | <stgraber> ok, it gets restored correctly when I logout
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| 15:59 | <sistemas> what file must i change to select my login server
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| 15:59 | from X
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| 15:59 | <skeemer> Gadi: do i have to run something so that it recognizes my script in the screen.d directory? it says it can't find it
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| 15:59 | <Gadi> skeemer: is it chmod 755?
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| 15:59 | oh, and you have to update the image when you are through changing it
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| 15:59 | sudo ltsp-update-image
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| 16:01 | <skeemer> Gadi: is that in chroot or normal?
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| 16:01 | <Gadi> normal
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| 16:01 | ie, exit out of the chroot
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| 16:01 | * skeemer tries again | |
| 16:01 | <Gadi> and reroll the image with that command
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| 16:02 | <skeemer> got it
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| 16:02 | is that whole directory downloaded to the client?
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| 16:02 | <Gadi> mounted
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| 16:02 | not downloaded
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| 16:02 | and its actually an image that is mounted
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| 16:02 | ls -lh /opt/ltsp/images
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| 16:03 | <skeemer> is that mount not shared between the clients then?
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| 16:03 | <Gadi> it is
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| 16:03 | all of them
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| 16:03 | read-only
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| 16:03 | <skeemer> i wonder how firefox will like that
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| 16:03 | <Gadi> each client has a read-write tmpfs overlay as an aufs
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| 16:03 | so, each client will be fine
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| 16:04 | <skeemer> sweet
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| 16:04 | <Gadi> in other words, all changes made on the client are in RAM
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| 16:05 | <skeemer> wow, it takes a while to re-image
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| 16:06 | <Gadi> the more you throw in there, the longer it takes
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| 16:06 | :)
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| 16:06 | but, I assume that once you have this canned, you won't be touching it much
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| 16:07 | <stgraber> Gadi: hmm, that's really weird
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| 16:08 | Gadi: I just redirected the output of that line to a file and it's empty
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| 16:08 | though running the exact same command by hand returns the expected result
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| 16:08 | <Gadi> did you add the doublequotes?
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| 16:09 | maybe its on stderr?
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| 16:09 | <stgraber> yeah, that's with the double quotes
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| 16:09 | Gadi: nope, just tested ... it's stdout
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| 16:12 | Gadi: nothing on stdout and nothing on stderr
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| 16:12 | I just don't understand what's going on there :)
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| 16:13 | <Gadi> on the server, it redirects fine
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| 16:14 | oh!
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| 16:14 | I know
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| 16:14 | <skeemer> Gadi: its just looping, any way to figure out what the error is?
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| 16:15 | <Gadi> try this one
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| 16:15 | :)
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| 16:17 | * Gadi forgot the eval | |
| 16:17 | <stgraber> Gadi: worked :)
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| 16:17 | <Gadi> stupid shell
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| 16:17 | YAY
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| 16:17 | a whole lot of work just because Windows uses spaces in group names
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| 16:17 | :P
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| 16:18 | <stgraber> ok, updating my chroot now for a few more tests
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| 16:20 | <stgraber> Gadi: you rock :) it works just fine
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| 16:21 | I'll tag a new ltsp-trunk when I get back home
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| 16:22 | <Gadi> cool
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| 16:23 | oh, and if you see vagrant, ask him not to cleanup the code in that script
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| 16:23 | :)
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| 16:28 | <skeemer> Gadi: it doesn't run
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| 16:29 | Gadi: i get "Denied access to client with invalid authorization data" but dunno if that's why
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| 16:32 | <Gadi> can you pastebot your screen script
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| 16:32 | !pastebot
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| 16:32 | <ltspbot> Gadi: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 16:36 | <ltsppbot> "skeemer" pasted "/usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/firefox" (32 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/258
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| 16:36 | <skeemer> it can't get much simpler
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| 16:39 | doh, i think i deleted too much
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| 16:39 | or maybe not, can't tell
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| 16:41 | <Gadi> yeah, you did, I think
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| 16:41 | add back in:
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| 16:41 | -- ${DISPLAY} vt${TTY} ${X_ARGS} -br >/dev/null
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| 16:41 | <skeemer> -- and on
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| 16:42 | <Gadi> also, you may want:
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| 16:42 | if [ -x /usr/share/ltsp/xinitrc ]; then
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| 16:42 | xinitrc=/usr/share/ltsp/xinitrc
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| 16:42 | fi
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| 16:42 | and:
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| 16:42 | xinit ${xinitrc} ...
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| 16:42 | that will call in all of LTSP's xinitrc.d/ scripts
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| 16:42 | which will be helpful
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| 16:43 | <skeemer> common doesn't do that?
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| 16:43 | <Gadi> no common pulls in functions
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| 16:43 | xinitrc.d/ has scripts for things like setting dpms, numlock status, language, and other stuff
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| 16:44 | <skeemer> oh
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| 16:44 | <Gadi> that needs to be set after the xserver is launched but before the session
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| 16:44 | it is located in the chroot's /usr/share/ltsp/xinitrc.d/
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| 16:44 | (useful in case you need it)
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| 16:45 | you can drop your own scripts there
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| 16:45 | <skeemer> hmmm
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| 16:45 | so i would run that before xinit firefox... ?
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| 16:45 | <Gadi> yeah - /usr/share/ltsp/xinitrc is a wrapper
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| 16:46 | that sources all of the scripts in xinitrc.d
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| 16:46 | and then executes the command
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| 16:46 | so, you can get creative
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| 16:46 | :)
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| 16:50 | <ltsppbot> "skeemer" pasted "/usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/firefox" (41 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/259
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| 16:50 | <Gadi> ah!
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| 16:50 | <skeemer> closer?
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| 16:50 | <Gadi> you have 2 xinit lines
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| 16:51 | <skeemer> xinit $rc firefox ... ?
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| 16:51 | <Gadi> whats with the while loop at the bottom?
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| 16:52 | <skeemer> in case they exit it just restarts
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| 16:52 | its in the default rdesktop
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| 16:52 | <Gadi> the paste you have has an xinit before the while loop, too
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| 16:52 | which lacks the $xinitrc
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| 16:52 | er, actually the bottom one has it
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| 16:52 | er, the bottom one lacks it
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| 16:52 | the top one has it
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| 16:53 | just have one while loop
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| 16:53 | <skeemer> xinit $rc firefox ... ?
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| 16:54 | <ltsppbot> Someone pasted "#!/bin/sh # # The following sc" (29 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/260
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| 16:55 | <Gadi> something like that
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| 16:55 | <skeemer> ok
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| 16:55 | <stgraber> sorry if it looks like I'm over-tagging today but I need something working in Ubuntu by tomorrow :)
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| 16:55 | <Gadi> stgraber: no worries
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| 16:56 | is 2moro freeze?
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| 16:56 | <stgraber> yeah
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| 16:56 | <Gadi> nice
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| 16:56 | <stgraber> I'll also tag a new ldm for that ltsp-cluster fix as it's quite annoying :) (you basically get a popup at every reboot :))
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| 16:57 | * skeemer waits through another re-image | |
| 16:58 | <stgraber> what can I fix in ldm ? :) I don't want to tag a new release for a one-liner :)
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| 17:02 | <stgraber> doh, the only item I have on my list that I could have done to add something to that release is in a rc.d script but in the localapps code :(
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| 17:02 | * stgraber goes with a one-line release ... | |
| 17:03 | <Gadi> stgraber: have we closed all the bugs?
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| 17:04 | <stgraber> all the ones on my list at least :)
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| 17:05 | <Gadi> hey, do you have that lil white geode around?
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| 17:05 | <skeemer> Gadi: Fatal server error: Unrecognized option: /dev/null
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| 17:06 | <stgraber> Gadi: yeah, just next to me
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| 17:06 | <Gadi> skeemer: sorry there should be a redirect to /dev/nulll
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| 17:06 | in other words: >/dev/null
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| 17:07 | stgraber: I think I have a hunch as to the issue with it and the new geode driver
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| 17:07 | do you have a sec to try booting it?
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| 17:07 | <stgraber> Gadi: new == Jaunty or Intrepid ?
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| 17:07 | <Gadi> both, I think
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| 17:08 | I had issues in intrepid
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| 17:08 | * skeemer re-images again | |
| 17:08 | <stgraber> well, the main issue with the white one is that I can't boot it due to the next-server bug :)
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| 17:08 | <skeemer> know anything about speeding up the ubuntu boot time?
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| 17:08 | <stgraber> but I have another Geode with similar hardware that does boot
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| 17:08 | and works with Intrepid and the geode driver
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| 17:08 | (with XAA forced and the geode driver forced as well)
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| 17:08 | <Gadi> stgraber: are you sure that one is gx2 and not lx
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| 17:09 | <stgraber> I unfortunately don't have any LX other than an OLPC
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| 17:09 | I only have crappy GX2 :)
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| 17:09 | <Gadi> then, it must be a bios difference
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| 17:09 | <stgraber> make sure it's set to 16MB in the BIOS
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| 17:09 | <Gadi> which bios does ur lil white one have?
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| 17:09 | GeodeROM or GSW?
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| 17:10 | heh - that typo you just fixed is something I do all the time
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| 17:10 | :P
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| 17:10 | especially when my variable starts with capital S
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| 17:12 | <stgraber> it's AMD's xpressrom
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| 17:12 | 166GX_0.01.16_128
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| 17:14 | and the one on the white one is GeodeROM EE200_1.00.06
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| 17:14 | <Gadi> yeah, the GeodeROM is old
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| 17:15 | not that that explains your next-server bug
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| 17:15 | have you tried setting it to PXE boot in the BIOS and then tell the PXE BIOS to boot 18h
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| 17:15 | (Ie according to order of the BIOS)
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| 17:16 | <stgraber> I belive it's my current configuration
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| 17:16 | <Gadi> in that case, have you tried int19h
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| 17:16 | boot network first
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| 17:16 | <stgraber> int19h is nothing in the BIOS right /
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| 17:16 | ?
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| 17:16 | <Gadi> right
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| 17:17 | I think it is shift-f10 to get to the PXE bios
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| 17:17 | sometimes the BIOS PXE and the PXE PXE are different
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| 17:17 | or behave differently
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| 17:18 | <skeemer> Gadi: bummer, it's just looping again
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| 17:19 | <Gadi> whats the error?
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| 17:20 | is it looping within X or is X reinitializing?
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| 17:20 | <stgraber> with 19h it just doesn't boot at all
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| 17:20 | <skeemer> not sure, its loops before i can see it, is it being logged someplace?
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| 17:20 | X is reinitializing
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| 17:20 | <Gadi> skeemer: do this:
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| 17:20 | install ssh in the chroot
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| 17:20 | so:
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| 17:20 | sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 17:21 | export LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS=False
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| 17:21 | apt-get update
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| 17:21 | apt-get install ssh
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| 17:21 | passwd
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| 17:21 | (set root password)
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| 17:21 | passwd -u root
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| 17:21 | <skeemer> can i do it from [alt]-f1 screen?
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| 17:21 | <Gadi> exit
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| 17:21 | do you have a root password set?
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| 17:21 | <skeemer> doh
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| 17:21 | <Gadi> :)
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| 17:22 | install ssh, that way, even if X is looping
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| 17:22 | you can ssh in and edit some things
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| 17:22 | <skeemer> ahh, ic
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| 17:22 | <Gadi> oh, and I guess while you are at it, you can add a sleep 5
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| 17:22 | after xinit
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| 17:22 | so you can see the error
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| 17:22 | <skeemer> ok
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| 17:22 | <Gadi> :)
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| 17:24 | <skeemer> do i need to gen keys or anything?
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| 17:24 | <Gadi> no
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| 17:24 | <skeemer> nm
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| 17:24 | just saw the install script did it
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| 17:25 | and re-imaging
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| 17:26 | <Gadi> skeemer: once you can log in on the client itself,
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| 17:26 | you can make as many changes as you want
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| 17:26 | they won't persist
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| 17:26 | <skeemer> ok
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| 17:26 | <Gadi> but when you get the script as you like
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| 17:27 | scp it to the server
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| 17:27 | and put it in the chroot
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| 17:27 | <skeemer> ic
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| 17:27 | <Gadi> and reroll one last time
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| 17:27 | :)
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| 17:27 | its a good way to keep from going crazy
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| 17:29 | <skeemer> i just hope getting the kiosk plugin working isn't going to be a pain
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| 17:31 | and now booting
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| 17:31 | <Lns> ah, i love it when things work
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| 17:31 | Gadi: any update on the xcb madness? :)
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| 17:32 | <Gadi> well, I just just installed my newly-rolled deb
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| 17:32 | have yet to log out and login to see what it did
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| 17:32 | <Lns> right on
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| 17:32 | <Gadi> (hopefully I didnt break anything)
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| 17:32 | <Lns> just curious :)
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| 17:33 | * Lns can hear the now silent computer labs a few miles away due to automated shutdown =) | |
| 17:34 | * skeemer wishes he wasn't in the same room as a few 1U servers with fans at 50%+ | |
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| 17:34 | * Lns concurs with skeemer as he peers at his 1U servers sitting on the carpet next to him | |
| 17:35 | <skeemer> great, "account expired"
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| 17:36 | Gadi: did i miss something?
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| 17:36 | <Lns> looks like you need to purchase a new account =p
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| 17:36 | <redspike> anyone know howto get adobe to display .pdf files right, if the font is helvetica adobe reader cant display them can i download the helvetica font in some package?
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| 17:37 | <Lns> skeemer: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/UnlockChrootRootAcct
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| 17:37 | <skeemer> great... and i don't have a budget ;)
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| 17:37 | <Gadi> skeemer: did you: passwd -u root
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| 17:37 | in the chroot?
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| 17:37 | <skeemer> nope
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| 17:37 | <Gadi> nobody listens to me
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| 17:37 | <Lns> redspike: do you HAVE to use adobe reader, or could you be using evince?
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| 17:37 | <Gadi> I should go home to my family, where its expected
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| 17:37 | :)
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| 17:38 | <Lns> Gadi: lol
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| 17:38 | <skeemer> lol
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| 17:38 | <redspike> Lns: its the same in evince :/
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| 17:38 | <Lns> redspike: oh
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| 17:39 | <Gadi> redspike: do you have msttcorefonts?
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| 17:39 | <Lns> redspike: for *buntu, i see ttf-freefont, ttf-uralic and xfonts-mplus
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| 17:42 | Do you have to actually CREATE a pw for root in chroot, or just unlock it, for the account to be active for things like cron jobs?
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| 17:43 | jeez..now that i think about that, that's a pretty stupid question..haha
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| 17:43 | <Gadi> for cron jobs, it doesnt even need to be unlocked
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| 17:43 | only for things that require authentication
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| 17:43 | <Lns> Gadi: hmm. My cronjobs weren't running until i unlocked it
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| 17:43 | <Gadi> really?
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| 17:43 | <skeemer> odd
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| 17:43 | <Gadi> oh, I guess cron must authenticate
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| 17:43 | <Lns> yeah, unless i missed something really obvious
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| 17:44 | when i was testing autoshutdown..i kept scratching my head until i unlocked it and *poof*
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| 17:44 | <Gadi> did you add cron jobs as root, or did you simply put them in /etc/cron/...
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| 17:44 | <Lns> /etc/crontab
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| 17:44 | <Gadi> hmm
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| 17:44 | <Lns> (in chroot)
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| 17:44 | <Gadi> would not have thought that you needed that either
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| 17:45 | * Gadi stores that tidbit in back-of-brain | |
| 17:45 | * skeemer reboots client after following *all* of Gadi's instructions | |
| 17:45 | <Lns> though I'm probably going to change that when i write some sort of pgm to customize down/up times, and just use user submitted jobs
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| 17:45 | Gadi: don't quote me on it, but i'm 90% sure that was the issue
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| 17:46 | <skeemer> Lns: i found a post claiming the same thing
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| 17:46 | <Lns> woohoo! I'm not alone :p
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| 17:46 | <Gadi> doesnt really make sense
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| 17:46 | because root is locked in ubuntu by default
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| 17:46 | yet, your server certainly runs cron jobs
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| 17:47 | <Lns> Gadi: i'm not so sure about that actually, i remember a while back noticing i never had any running cronjobs
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| 17:47 | though they were supposed to be running
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| 17:47 | <Gadi> unless *cron* cares but *anacron* doesnt
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| 17:47 | :P
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| 17:47 | <Lns> ah
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| 17:47 | not sure.
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| 17:47 | * Gadi shrugs | |
| 17:48 | <Lns> stupid cron, anyway. =p i was having fun for 2 hrs finding out i needed spaces instead of tab delimiters
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| 17:55 | <Gadi> gotta run, guys
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| 17:55 | good luck, skeemer
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| 17:55 | <skeemer> hmm, xinit firefox from the prompt works fine
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| 17:55 | later
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| 18:04 | <redspike> i have som problem with my firefox, like "dropdown" menus takes about 3sec to view the problem is only in firefox. anyone know how to speed up this?
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| 18:08 | <Lns> redspike: someone was just having this issue yesterday....was it Ahmuck ?
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| 18:11 | <redspike> Lns: you know if he solved it?
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| 18:13 | <stgraber> it's reported on LP
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| 18:13 | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xulrunner-1.9/+bug/305531
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| 18:14 | please look at the bug, try doing the various tests described there and comment to the bug if you have anything to add
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| 18:14 | the more people complain the faster someone will dig into the problem ...
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| 18:15 | actually it's a XUL issue not firefox but firefox is the most known XUL application
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| 18:19 | <redspike> ahh ok
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| 18:24 | <Lns> xulrunner sure seems like it has its fair share of issues
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| 19:01 | <skeemer> bummer, running firefox locally is way too slow on these boxes
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| 19:07 | <skeemer> what's the LDM_ thing i put in lts.conf to change the default .desktop loaded?
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| 19:16 | <x3_SteveFromAcco> hello
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| 19:16 | i need some help with running the k12ltsp for a project im doing at school
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| 19:17 | im 3 weeks new to linux but its for a competition
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| 19:35 | <jammcq> good evening friends
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| 19:35 | <mistik1> hey old man :)
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| 19:36 | <jammcq> hey buddy
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| 19:36 | how's it going?
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| 19:36 | <mistik1> asside from fighting to get a client off windows, good
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| 19:36 | * mistik1 must fix this keyboard repeat | |
| 19:38 | <mistik1> She has one Windows app she MUST have and of course it comes with a USB key
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| 19:38 | <jammcq> oh, bummer
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| 19:38 | <mistik1> It works in vmware but sloooow
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| 19:38 | trying to get virtualbox usb working now
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| 19:39 | someone at vmware needs a serious head check with that web interface thing
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| 19:39 | <jammcq> hmm, I kinda like it
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| 19:39 | for vmware-server, anyway
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| 19:40 | for me, it's a great way to manage my vm's
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| 19:40 | <mistik1> I like the idea but 2.0 should simply not have been released
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| 19:40 | Its performance is crap
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| 19:40 | <jammcq> I've been using 2.0 since it came out, and it's working pretty well. only problem I have is I have lots of disk-intensive things
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| 19:41 | my stuff is all server-based
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| 19:41 | I don't keep the web interface up, unless I need to configure a vm
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| 19:41 | <mistik1> it works on for us on the quad core with 8gb RAM
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| 19:41 | <jammcq> I'll connect up, create the new vm, start it running, then disconnect
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| 19:41 | <mistik1> ok
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| 19:42 | <jammcq> my development machine is a dual quad-core with 8gb and i've got 7 vm's running
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| 19:42 | vmware-server isn't intended to be used as a desktop OS
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| 19:42 | <mistik1> We need the interface because we use it mostly for developing support for winders in some of our apps
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| 19:42 | <jammcq> sounds like vmware-server isn't the right product for you
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| 19:42 | vmware-desktop is what you need
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| 19:43 | <mistik1> prolly
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| 19:45 | <jammcq> anyway, I've got some business to take care of, then I'll be back
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| 19:45 | <mistik1> later bro
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| 20:43 | <x3_SteveFromAcco> hey could someone help me?
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| 20:44 | <Ryan52> not unless you ask a question.
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| 20:44 | x3_SteveFromAcco: ^^
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| 20:45 | oh, I see you asked earlier.
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| 20:45 | hmm. k12ltsp is really old, I think...isn't that still ltsp 4?
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| 20:46 | ya, you should use k12linux.
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| 20:46 | x3_SteveFromAcco: do you have a reason for using k12ltsp instead of k12linux?
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| 21:19 | <zanikus> is neone around that can help with a fat client build on ubuntu hardy?
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| 21:25 | <x3_SteveFromAcco> im having trouble configuring k12ltsp for a diskless thin client system
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| 21:25 | <Ryan52> x3_SteveFromAcco: answer my question and I'll help.
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| 21:26 | <x3_SteveFromAcco> im new to it but ill try
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| 21:27 | <Ryan52> x3_SteveFromAcco: 18:45 < Ryan52> x3_SteveFromAcco: do you have a reason for using k12ltsp instead of k12linux?
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| 21:28 | <x3_SteveFromAcco> i have talked to a guy that has a business that sets up server systems like wat im trying for my school project and he recommended k12ltsp
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| 21:31 | <Ryan52> okay, well you won't find much (any?) help with
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| 21:31 | that.
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| 21:31 | "K12LTSP 5-EL, based on CentOS 5, but very old LTSP 4.2 which has been unmaintained since 2004."
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| 21:31 | <x3_SteveFromAcco> hmm
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| 21:31 | i got most of it done
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| 21:32 | i can get the terminals that are attached to the server to grab an ip which means my dhcp is going through but it is not recognizing an operating system to boot to
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| 21:32 | <Ryan52> okay, good. :)
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| 21:32 | "not recognizing an operating system to boot to"
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| 21:32 | what's telling you that?
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| 21:33 | and what exactly does it say?
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| 21:33 | <x3_SteveFromAcco> it says no operating system found
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| 21:34 | <Ryan52> what's "it"?
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| 21:35 | and you should really consider trying k12linux..
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| 21:35 | <x3_SteveFromAcco> i configured the network card according to the guide and bridged it but none of my terminals will get to the OS. and "it" is my terminal that is connected to the server
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| 21:36 | will k12linux run for a diskless thinclient server
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| 21:36 | <johnny> huh?
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| 21:36 | yes.. it is
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| 21:36 | <x3_SteveFromAcco> ok
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| 21:37 | <Ryan52> johnny, what?
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| 21:37 | <x3_SteveFromAcco> yah i wish i could get irc at school so i could try talking to you guys while working
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| 21:39 | what is the difference from k12linux and k12ltsp
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| 21:39 | <Ryan52> k12linux is waaaaay newer.
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| 21:39 | k12linux is ltsp 5.
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| 21:39 | k12ltsp is ltsp 4.2.
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| 21:40 | <x3_SteveFromAcco> here ill give u the website i got mine off of
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| 21:40 | <johnny> x3_SteveFromAcco, you couldget on irc from school
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| 21:40 | there are tons of websites that offer web interface to irc
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| 21:40 | like mibbit
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| 21:40 | or mabber
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| 21:40 | or cgi-irc
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| 21:41 | <x3_SteveFromAcco> does it have it as a program running on the websit
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| 21:41 | <Alex_21> Hey guys
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| 21:42 | What distro is best for LTSP?
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| 21:42 | <johnny> best..
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| 21:42 | hard to say
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| 21:42 | <Ryan52> Alex_21: "Ubuntu, Debian and Fedora have awesome integration" according to the topic.
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| 21:42 | <Alex_21> Well, less resource intensive
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| 21:42 | <johnny> they are all about the same
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| 21:42 | oh.. gf calling.. bbiab
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| 21:43 | <x3_SteveFromAcco> srry ryan i was running k12linux
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| 21:43 | <Alex_21> Well, what I want is a machine that serves to about fifty computers and just runs vnc and esd clients
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| 21:43 | <x3_SteveFromAcco> i apologize ive only used linux for 3 weeks now
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| 21:44 | <Ryan52> x3_SteveFromAcco, heh. ok.
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| 21:44 | <Alex_21> How much RAM will I need
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| 21:44 | On the server that is
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| 21:44 | <Ryan52> x3_SteveFromAcco: so anyway, I still don't understand what's telling you os isn't found...
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| 21:44 | x3_SteveFromAcco: is it the bios?
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| 21:45 | <Alex_21> What os on what machine?
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| 21:45 | I need details here and maybe I can help
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| 21:45 | <Ryan52> x3_SteveFromAcco: cause if the thin client has already connected to the server like you say, then that error is really weird..
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| 21:45 | Alex_21: 19:31 < x3_SteveFromAcco> i can get the terminals that are attached to the server to grab an ip which means my dhcp is going through but it is not recognizing an operating system to boot to
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| 21:45 | <x3_SteveFromAcco> the only thing it is doing is while running pxe 2.0 it says no operating system found
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| 21:46 | <Ryan52> weird error.
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| 21:46 | try running ltsp-vmclient.
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| 21:46 | <Alex_21> Well, is the server image corupt
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| 21:46 | <x3_SteveFromAcco> but one of my machines on the network shows that it is getting an ip
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| 21:46 | <Alex_21> Or something
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| 21:46 | <Ryan52> yes, one of the machines...
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| 21:46 | but not the machine that matters...
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| 21:46 | x3_SteveFromAcco: anyway, try with ltsp-vmclient. I trust that it works ;)
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| 21:47 | <Alex_21> If it is getting an IP that means that dhcp is fine but says nothing about the kernel or image
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| 21:47 | <x3_SteveFromAcco> is that a whole new install or just a downloadable client to put on the server
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| 21:47 | <Alex_21> I think it is a client
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| 21:48 | <x3_SteveFromAcco> My instructor said that it could possibly need a pxe boot client on the server so the terminals know which machine they need to get the OS from
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| 21:48 | <zanikus> anyone have any idea why this kernel hangs on starting bluetooth? ive tried every fix i could find for similar issues but no dice
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| 21:48 | <Alex_21> Hmm
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| 21:48 | <Ryan52> ugh. fine, don't try my way...
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| 21:49 | <x3_SteveFromAcco> no i just saw wat yours was and i am going to try it
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| 21:49 | <Alex_21> So how much RAM should I need for what I want to do?
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| 21:49 | On the server
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| 21:49 | <x3_SteveFromAcco> i just got to land this in 7 school days for my compitition
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| 21:49 | <Ryan52> !doco
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| 21:49 | <ltspbot> Ryan52: Error: "doco" is not a valid command.
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| 21:49 | <Ryan52> !doc
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| 21:49 | <ltspbot> Ryan52: Error: "doc" is not a valid command.
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| 21:49 | <Ryan52> !docs
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| 21:49 | <ltspbot> Ryan52: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 21:49 | <Ryan52> damnit sbalneav :P
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| 21:50 | Alex_21: look at that link.
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| 21:50 | Alex_21: it tells you the formula.
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| 21:50 | * Ryan52 may never be able to train himself to *not* type "!doco" :P | |
| 21:50 | <Alex_21> I can't read that site
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| 21:51 | <Ryan52> uhhh..ok?
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| 21:51 | <Alex_21> It just aint working for me
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| 21:51 | <Ryan52> "aint working"?
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| 21:51 | <Alex_21> Sorry
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| 21:51 | Isn't working
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| 21:52 | <Ryan52> ya, I get talking like that, I do it to :p...but what do you mean by "Isn't working"?
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| 21:53 | <Alex_21> I can't read it as in my AT jumps all over the page and I can't follow tibbins
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| 21:53 | AT = Assistive Technology
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| 21:54 | <Ryan52> oh, ok.
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| 21:54 | one second.
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| 21:55 | 256 + (192 * users) MB
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| 21:56 | <x3_SteveFromAcco> well thank you ryan and alex i will try out your ideas and i will inform you if they worked if i see you again
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| 21:58 | <Alex_21> Thanks
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| 21:59 | ... how does that hold up for constant sound
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| 22:04 | <Alex_21> Streaming
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| 22:04 | Remember I want to use VNC and ESD
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